Success Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 It's one of those "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" things. A team could spend its entire existence looking for an elite coach. But there just aren't a lot of those. McDermott is a really good coach, and has proven that. This team wins a lot. He always gameplans well, and makes good adjustments. It would be an enormous gamble switching coaches now, or in the next few years. McDermott has what it takes to win it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Success said: It's one of those "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" things. A team could spend its entire existence looking for an elite coach. But there just aren't a lot of those. McDermott is a really good coach, and has proven that. This team wins a lot. He always gameplans well, and makes good adjustments. It would be an enormous gamble switching coaches now, or in the next few years. McDermott has what it takes to win it all. This is an easy concept that the resident “genius” can’t seem to grasp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 hours ago, newcam2012 said: Exactly the point he's making. None of those QBs can even compare to Allen. I think it's fair to say Allen makes a coaches job easier. Allen definelty equates to plenty of regular season wins. I'm on the record saying any decent coach could probably have taken the Bills to the playoffs the last few years. It says more about Allen than it does about McD. The risk factor is not great at all. I don't think this is a unrealistic statement. Allen is simply that good where the previous Bills QBs were not. Do the Bills with Allen win because of McD or despite McD come regular season and playoff time? How much do the Bills win or lose because of Allen or McD? No easy answers there. What's pretty indefensible is Allen equates to the Bills winning. Can you say the same for McD? Can another coach do more or less? If you look at this from a purely logical point of view, you cannot say that Allen without McD is a winner in the NFL. There is no evidence for that because it has never happened. Allen hasn’t played a down in the NFL without McD. So any opinion as to whether Allen equates to Bills winning is simply a guess, an opinion not based upon fact. On the other hand, if you ask whether McD can produce a playoff team without Allen, the answer is yes. It happened with a pretty marginal QB who only started a few games after leaving the Bills, and never led a team to the playoffs without McD as a coach. Lookit, I think Allen is a top 3 QB in the NFL, and I’m glad he’s on our team. But I also think McD is far and away the best Bills coach in this century, and a top 3 Bills coach of all time. McD and Beane turned the Bills from a perennial loser to a consistent top 5 team in the NFL. Winning a SuperBowl requires a bit of luck. Ask Jim Kelly. If his kicker truck the ball a couple millimeter s to the left, he’d be a Super Bowl champ. If Levi Wallace had played smarter coverage in the 13 sec, not allowing inside release, Bills might have been Super Bowl winners. If Bills D hadn’t been down 2 of top 3 DL and both safeties then Bills may have won. it’s maddening to listen to folks pretend McD is some average coach. He’s very good. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Probably that order, greatest to worst. Wow, so just to clarify you would put the greatest odds on us not winning the division then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: McNabb was good but I think you’re overrating him a bit. He averaged 18 TD’s per season. That’s pretty low. It took him 8 seasons to have as many passing TD’s as Allen has in 5 (not even including rushing TD’s). That Super Bowl year you mentioned seemed to break him. He only had 2 seasons with more than 20 TD’s the remainder of his 7 year career. What matters is how they related to their peers. McNabb was considered a top 5 QB and the second most athletic QB(to Mike Vick) of that 5 year period from 2000-2004 while usually playing with a bottom 5 receiving corps that tamped his passing and efficiency stats down. In 2000 he was the runner-up for NFL MVP and in 2004 he was even better. He wasn't some pedestrian QB. I'd like to say Allen is BETTER relative to his peers.........but either way the distance between McNabb being top 5 and however we view the similarly "overall-game-over-passing-efficiency" style of Josh Allen isn't THAT much different. From 2005-2007 McNabb started getting hurt regularly and missed 15 games over that period but he was still one of the best QB's in the league........and with poor receiving talent around him. He got kind of a raw deal in Philly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Come-on Beane - time to sign D-Hop! Lets Go Buffalo 🦬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Success said: It's one of those "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" things. A team could spend its entire existence looking for an elite coach. But there just aren't a lot of those. McDermott is a really good coach, and has proven that. This team wins a lot. He always gameplans well, and makes good adjustments. It would be an enormous gamble switching coaches now, or in the next few years. McDermott has what it takes to win it all. People overrate the extent to which McD is responsible for our success, and underrated the extent to which he is responsible for not winning it all. Give any coach that we've had over the past 20 years this team with Allen, and they don't do worse. As to 2017, he was a game better than Ryan's team two seasons earlier with a similar roster, had the same record as Marrone in 2014 did with Orton at QB, and made the playoffs on pure luck with two other notably more qualified 9-7 teams missing out. And nothing says success like giving up a 16-0 lead to a mediocre Houston team in the playoffs while allowing 264 yards in about 20 minutes to lose in the WC Round there. I mean what, absolutely phenominal defensive coaching there, superlative. LOL Other than that, the only success that McD has had was after Allen exploded to become one of the best QBs in the history of the game. It's beyond comprehension as to why he'd have ever achieved more than 7-10 wins, ever, without Allen taking that leap. It's mindboggling to assume anything else. The only reasons are excuses. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 48 minutes ago, Gugny said: I’m not arguing with anyone about anything. I just think, and always have thought, it’s a dumb moniker. At least we can all relax knowing that BeDerrmott is signed thru 2027. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: “ holding them accountable” Those words make it sound like they’re not doing everything he can to improve the team. This is probably the most loaded roster that this team has ever had this year. General managers, acquire talent Coaches coach Players play The general manager and the coaches are doing their jobs. The team is top 5 to 7 on both offense and defense. One team wins the Super Bowl every year. They have either been in the playoffs or in the conference finals for the last what four years Some of winning a Super Bowl is just good or bad luck Maybe don't play fast and loose with context. Directly after the "holding them accountable" that you quote is "and expecting playoff wins beyond the Wild Card round." That is not the same as requiring a Super Bowl victory to justify the Process and it is rather dishonest to portray my statements as implying that. I've written quite a bit about the formidable and unprecedented factors that hurt the team last year. One should take mitigating circumstances and sheer luck into consideration. All that said, the playoff performances remain uneven and a question mark. They will figure it out or they won't. I hope they accomplish great things. They changed the culture and have built a quality team. It still has to be better and I am pretty sure McDermott and Beane would agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Everyone here would love a Super Bowl victory? How many could handle another Super Bowl loss? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, without a drought said: At least we can all relax knowing that BeDerrmott is signed thru 2027. Well, it will definitely be interesting to see how relaxed everyone is following this season now that we have the Carolina coaching staff from McD's days @ Carolina. Why am I not inspired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, PBF81 said: Well, it will definitely be interesting to see how relaxed everyone is following this season now that we have the Carolina coaching staff from McD's days @ Carolina. Why am I not inspired. It was more of a way for using BeDermott in a sentence than conveying a message on the signing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 30 minutes ago, Success said: It's one of those "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" things. This is the rallying cry of every loser. The victors show off their rings. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Why am I not inspired. Because you were spoiled as a child? Because you have an inability to grasp reality? Because you’ve watched too many movies and expect a perfect ending to everything always? Because you’re trolling? There are probably other options out there but a combination of the above has a 99.782% chance of being the cause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, 4merper4mer said: and expect a perfect ending to everything always? Forget about “always”. How about ever? Other teams figure out how to get that perfect ending 2, 3, 4, even 6 times. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Einstein said: Forget about “always”. How about ever? Other teams figure out how to get that perfect ending 2, 3, 4, even 6 times. Nick Sirianni next on the chopping block? Shanahan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: This is the rallying cry of every loser. The victors show off their rings. That's a lazy comment. NFL history has plenty of examples of patience w/ a coach paying off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, without a drought said: Everyone here would love a Super Bowl victory? How many could handle another Super Bowl loss? I would have trouble with losing in the WC or D Round again, which should be considered entirely unacceptable by every loyal and true Bills fan given that we have Allen. People constantly compare McD (with Allen) to Reid (with McNabb), which besides being absurd for that reason, is even more absurd when we consider that in his first 6 seasons Reid lost in the D-Round once, went to the NFC CG four times, and advanced to the Super Bowl once. McD in his first 7 seasons has lost in the WC-Round twice, lost in the D-Round twice, and lost in the CG once, with each and every playoff loss being humiliating, arguably more humiliating then the one before. In 2017 we posted our worst offensive performance of the season and lost to Marrone's Jags with Bortles at QB. In 2019 we allowed nearly 200 yards in the last 20 minutes of our Wild Card loss to Houston, giving up 19 points and not even being able to score a FG in OT. In 2020 we were blown out by the Chiefs who posted one of the best offensive games of the season against us. In 2021 we had the AFC Championship won, but McD decided that we didn't want to win and handed it to Reid and the Chiefs in what is the biggest playoffs coaching blunder in modern history if not in league history altogether. It would have been the equivalent of punting on the infamous "Wide Right" play so as to improve our field-position as the clock hit 0:00. Last season, 2022, LOL, worst overall playoffs to date, barely eking by Skylar Thompson, who likely won't ever start another NFL game, before getting utterly blown out by Cincy. So yeah, what's not to get excited about come playoff time, and now with increased competition and better opposing coaching. Like someone said, McD's the third best coach in our division. Saleh had his team playing far more inspired football with fire and passion than McD did, and that was with historically bad crap at QB. McDaniel whowed more imagination last season than McD has in 6 seasons here. 12 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Because you were spoiled as a child? Because you have an inability to grasp reality? Because you’ve watched too many movies and expect a perfect ending to everything always? Because you’re trolling? There are probably other options out there but a combination of the above has a 99.782% chance of being the cause. See above. Edited June 24, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 45 minutes ago, Success said: It's one of those "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" things. A team could spend its entire existence looking for an elite coach. But there just aren't a lot of those. McDermott is a really good coach, and has proven that. This team wins a lot. He always gameplans well, and makes good adjustments. It would be an enormous gamble switching coaches now, or in the next few years. McDermott has what it takes to win it all. This is simply you saying something as if it's true with zero evidence to back your claim He's actually shown to be more likely to fail in the biggest moments than to succeed, so if we were to put his chances at winning it all, it would have to be less than 50% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, without a drought said: How many could handle another Super Bowl loss? Thats my biggest fear my 2nd biggest fear is world annihilation before I die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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