ExiledInIllinois Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: This is what I was talking about, with the Trans Agenda being pushed by globalist billionaires…Don’t believe me- go listen to Klaus Schwab (head of the World Economic Forum) speak it from his own mouth- that it’s the job of the elites to steer the world in the direction they want it to go… Thats why the Biden Administration is pushing people to invest in woke causes even if it loses money…They simply don’t care what you want or what you think… Are they harming you any different than others? Don't worry, you're not going to hell. Why not steer the world to accepting everyone, equality. Why not embrace differences with people. Unless, you like division among people. I simply don't understand why differences and accepting those differences bothers people. Is it order? Control? Creating underclasses of undesirables? Or just wanting to view life and society in an orderly manner. It certainly can't be about money and economics, because why would anyone alienate a paying customer? "You get more flies with honey then you do vinegar" if you really simply just oppose the agenda. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Are they harming you any different than others? Don't worry, you're not going to hell. Why not steer the world to accepting everyone, equality. Why not embrace differences with people. Unless, you like division among people. I simply don't understand why differences and accepting those differences bothers people. Is it order? Control? Creating underclasses of undesirables? Or just wanting to view life and society in an orderly manner. It certainly can't be about money and economics, because why would anyone alienate a paying customer? "You get more flies with honey then you do vinegar" if you really simply just oppose the agenda. here here, to each their own. would add its the Child issue that has quite a few giving a rats. Like who thought that drag and children go together. Strange that we would even be discussing child genital mutilation it the political arena. Or giving Children lifelong controlled substances with severe side affects. But at the same time it's smart to notice that the results of citizens united has morphed into Social PACS that also are political. by far the largest donors to say The Human Rights Campaign are corporate. here they are listing their largest ones. crazy how military industrial is right up there. https://www.hrc.org/about/corporate-partners https://www.hrc.org/corporate-downloads/partners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Are they harming you any different than others? Don't worry, you're not going to hell. Why not steer the world to accepting everyone, equality. Why not embrace differences with people. Unless, you like division among people. I simply don't understand why differences and accepting those differences bothers people. Is it order? Control? Creating underclasses of undesirables? Or just wanting to view life and society in an orderly manner. It certainly can't be about money and economics, because why would anyone alienate a paying customer? "You get more flies with honey then you do vinegar" if you really simply just oppose the agenda. Isn't it amazing how the left immediately goes to the what is it harming you and what are you a transphobe lines? Nobody gives a rats ass about drag shows or adults undergoing gender surgery. But we do care about CHILDREN being involved in any of this in any way. The question for leftists is...do you care? Do you think that it's appropriate for men dressed as women to be gyrating in front of first graders any more than it would be appropriate for a woman to do so? Do you think it's appropriate to be promoting irreversible gender surgery on children? If no, then thank you and kindly STFU and stop with the strawmen, If yes, why is it appropriate you pedophiles? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Are they harming you any different than others? Don't worry, you're not going to hell. Why not steer the world to accepting everyone, equality. Why not embrace differences with people. Unless, you like division among people. I simply don't understand why differences and accepting those differences bothers people. Is it order? Control? Creating underclasses of undesirables? Or just wanting to view life and society in an orderly manner. It certainly can't be about money and economics, because why would anyone alienate a paying customer? "You get more flies with honey then you do vinegar" if you really simply just oppose the agenda. For me, I don’t see it as a matter of equality, but rather a matter of truth… Science tells us that there are 2 types of human being- ones that produce eggs and ones that fertilize the egg…these are NOT interchangeable, NOR can someone decide that they want to be the other….and NOTHING else matters when defining males and females… Sorry, but for me, that’s the end of the conversation…people can play dress up all they want- they can engage in whatever sexual fetish floats their boat…I don’t really care what’s in people’s heads…it still changes nothing for me, on what is truth… Edited April 3, 2023 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Thank you Isaiah !! 🙌 Woe to those who call evil good & good evil - who put darkness for light and light for darkness - who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter !! This situation is something tragic in every sense of the word & should have been avoided, anyone that is believes they are something they are not & are on some kind of drug regimen to alter their body should not be allowed to buy weapons and may need to be put on some kind of registry or something to avoid this in the future . That being said if anyone thinks the shooter is a martyr in any way shape or form is just as sick as the act that person committed . It was nothing but a sick evil person committing premeditated murder & i hope that person rots in hell . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JaCrispy Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 32 minutes ago, aristocrat said: The Patriarchy wins again! 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrW Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Science tells us that there are 2 types of human being- ones that produce eggs or ones that fertilize the egg…these are NOT interchangeable, NOR can someone decide that they want to be the other….and NOTHING else matters when defining males and females… This is an overly simplistic point of view. Even if we do not consider anything that can happen after the fertilization of the egg, strictly on a genetic basis Science tells us that things are more complicated. You might know that the sex chromosomes of a "normal" male are XY, that of a female XX. However, there are all kinds of chromosomal aberrations affecting more than 1 in 450 individuals, a bit less than 1 million Americans. There are individuals with Turner syndrome (X-), Klinefelter syndrome (XXY), Swyer syndrome (women with XY chromosomes) or male XX syndrome. Furthermore, and probably statistically much more important, during development of the embryo there are factors that can affect the brain and the gonads (the sex organs) in different ways, resulting in gender dysphoria, “a conflict between a person’s physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify”. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7415463/ Do you think you can treat all these people fairly by your man/woman differentiation? Edited April 3, 2023 by DrW 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JaCrispy Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, DrW said: This is an overly simplistic point of view. Even if we do not consider anything that can happen after the fertilization of the egg, strictly on a genetic basis Science tells us that things are more complicated. You might know that the sex chromosomes of a "normal" male are XY, that of a female XX. However, there are all kinds of chromosomal aberrations affecting more than 1 in 450 individuals, a bit less than 1 million Americans. There are individuals with Turner syndrome (X-), Klinefelter syndrome (XXY), Swyer syndrome (women with XY chromosomes) or male XX syndrome. Furthermore, and probably statistically much more important, during development of the embryo there are factors that can affect the brain and the gonads (the sex organs) in different ways, resulting in gender dysphoria, “a conflict between a person’s physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify”. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7415463/ Do you think you can treat all these people fairly by your man/woman differentiation? I believe in gender dysphoria- however rare it might be…but this does not change the fact that the person is still either male or female based on their biology Imo… But I want to make it clear- most people today who “claim” to be trans DO NOT suffer from gender dysphoria- there are other issues and motivations at hand here… I go by the original meaning of male and female when the species was first categorized hundreds of thousands of years ago- maybe even millions…because the original meaning of the male and female were what was intended…all these new definitions and variations have nothing to do with the original concepts… There is an ulterior motive at hand here, by a certain political faction, to eradicate biological sex altogether- that’s the actual goal of the Trans agenda- I do not support this effort…Reality is all about the “Yin and Yang”.👍 Edited April 4, 2023 by JaCrispy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: The Patriarchy wins again! 😉 Are you afraid of strong women? Sexiest beings on earth (excepting MTG- she's just aberrant). What the hell is wrong with you? 8 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Are they harming you any different than others? Don't worry, you're not going to hell. Why not steer the world to accepting everyone, equality. Why not embrace differences with people. Unless, you like division among people. I simply don't understand why differences and accepting those differences bothers people. Is it order? Control? Creating underclasses of undesirables? Or just wanting to view life and society in an orderly manner. It certainly can't be about money and economics, because why would anyone alienate a paying customer? "You get more flies with honey then you do vinegar" if you really simply just oppose the agenda. Simple. They're afraid that on an equal playing field they'll fall further in the social order. 3 hours ago, DrW said: This is an overly simplistic point of view. Even if we do not consider anything that can happen after the fertilization of the egg, strictly on a genetic basis Science tells us that things are more complicated. You might know that the sex chromosomes of a "normal" male are XY, that of a female XX. However, there are all kinds of chromosomal aberrations affecting more than 1 in 450 individuals, a bit less than 1 million Americans. There are individuals with Turner syndrome (X-), Klinefelter syndrome (XXY), Swyer syndrome (women with XY chromosomes) or male XX syndrome. Furthermore, and probably statistically much more important, during development of the embryo there are factors that can affect the brain and the gonads (the sex organs) in different ways, resulting in gender dysphoria, “a conflict between a person’s physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify”. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7415463/ Do you think you can treat all these people fairly by your man/woman differentiation? Yes, they've ignored that in the recent past. It doesn't fit their preconceived ideas. And science is bad...If it's not black or white they can't imagine it. Edited April 4, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Simple. They're afraid that on an equal playing field they'll fall further in the social order. Yup! That about sums it up! Society is a pecking order with conservatives. Pack animals need an alpha dog. Like the time my conservative sister inlaw came into my work... First thing out of her mouth: "Now who's above who here?" I pointed 👉 to the chain of command photos on the wall in the lunchroom. /smdh... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yup! That about sums it up! Society is a pecking order with conservatives. Pack animals need an alpha dog. Like the time my conservative sister inlaw came into my work... First thing out of her mouth: "Now who's above who here?" I pointed 👉 to the chain of command photos on the wall in the lunchroom. /smdh... A big part of it is creating an in-group and out-groups. This allows them to demonize the “other” to scare people in the in-group to supporting their preferred policies. Combine with the hierarchical focus you’ve pointed out and you have a superior in-group against inferior out-groups. It’s a very effective tool. Think about the way people here talk about “the left,” “liberals,” etc. and who are considered “true” or “real” Americans. That kind of language isn’t nearly as common with liberals who talk more about Republican officials and policies than actual Republican voters. Transpeople are just the latest in a string of out-groups demonized for political leverage. Same with drag performers. While children’s drag brunches have all of the sexuality of a Chuck E Cheese show, demonizing it as some sort of sexual grooming thing triggers the in-group to action. It’s manipulative and dishonest as hell (not to mention dangerous), but it works. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: A big part of it is creating an in-group and out-groups. This allows them to demonize the “other” to scare people in the in-group to supporting their preferred policies. Combine with the hierarchical focus you’ve pointed out and you have a superior in-group against inferior out-groups. It’s a very effective tool. Think about the way people here talk about “the left,” “liberals,” etc. and who are considered “true” or “real” Americans. That kind of language isn’t nearly as common with liberals who talk more about Republican officials and policies than actual Republican voters. Transpeople are just the latest in a string of out-groups demonized for political leverage. Same with drag performers. While children’s drag brunches have all of the sexuality of a Chuck E Cheese show, demonizing it as some sort of sexual grooming thing triggers the in-group to action. It’s manipulative and dishonest as hell (not to mention dangerous), but it works. Yes, one of the teletubbies was supposedly gay. How can you hate a teletubby? Gotta hate someone when things aint goin right... Do they scare me? Crazy people are always scary. Never know what they'll do but coming out ahead almost never happens. Best we can do is be boy scouts and be prepared. btw, my ex girl scout niece told me about using dryer lint in empty toilet roll as a fire starter. Worked amazingly well. Who knew? Smores... "It’s manipulative and dishonest as hell (not to mention dangerous), but it works. It’s manipulative and dishonest as hell (not to mention dangerous), but it works." It works for about 30% of the population. Don't believe that's enough. Edited April 4, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yup! That about sums it up! Society is a pecking order with conservatives. Pack animals need an alpha dog. Like the time my conservative sister inlaw came into my work... First thing out of her mouth: "Now who's above who here?" I pointed 👉 to the chain of command photos on the wall in the lunchroom. /smdh... So are you for or against exposing children to trans culture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ExiledInIllinois Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: So are you for or against exposing children to trans culture? I am not against. I guess that makes me for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: I am not against. I guess that makes me for. So then you're for exposing children to hetero culture in the form of women in bikinis on stripper poles and Chippendale dancers as well then, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 6 hours ago, DrW said: This is an overly simplistic point of view. Even if we do not consider anything that can happen after the fertilization of the egg, strictly on a genetic basis Science tells us that things are more complicated. You might know that the sex chromosomes of a "normal" male are XY, that of a female XX. However, there are all kinds of chromosomal aberrations affecting more than 1 in 450 individuals, a bit less than 1 million Americans. There are individuals with Turner syndrome (X-), Klinefelter syndrome (XXY), Swyer syndrome (women with XY chromosomes) or male XX syndrome. Furthermore, and probably statistically much more important, during development of the embryo there are factors that can affect the brain and the gonads (the sex organs) in different ways, resulting in gender dysphoria, “a conflict between a person’s physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify”. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7415463/ Do you think you can treat all these people fairly by your man/woman differentiation? Yes. You are what your genitals say you are from birth. ( yes some are indistinguishable but that is even more rare ) That’s about as fair as it can be. Biological males competing against biological females is not fair in any sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Here's the new Bud-Light can, rest assured there won't be any in my fridge.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 10 hours ago, redtail hawk said: Are you afraid of strong women? Sexiest beings on earth (excepting MTG- she's just aberrant). What the hell is wrong with you? Simple. They're afraid that on an equal playing field they'll fall further in the social order. Yes, they've ignored that in the recent past. It doesn't fit their preconceived ideas. And science is bad...If it's not black or white they can't imagine it. First, I’m not afraid of strong women- I just don’t support strong men pretending to be strong women… Second, I’m not afraid of “falling further down the social order” on an equal playing field, because I believe that men competing against women is actually less equal than boys vs boys and girls vs girls…wild concept, I know…😉 And just remember, you did not support this agenda 10 years ago, because globalist elites in the WEF and WMF were not forcing it on our society, in every institution, at that time…think about it, it’s not a coincidence that drag and trans are everywhere- it’s like when Nintendo first came out…😉 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: First, I’m not afraid of strong women- I just don’t support strong men pretending to be strong women… Second, I’m not afraid of “falling further down the social order” on an equal playing field, because I believe that men competing against women is actually less equal than boys vs boys and girls vs girls…wild concept, I know…😉 And just remember, you did not support this agenda 10 years ago, because globalist elites in the WEF and WMF were not forcing it on our society, in every institution, at that time…think about it, it’s not a coincidence that drag and trans are everywhere- it’s like when Nintendo first came out…😉 Trans issues are being forced upon us by the World Economic Forum and the World Monuments Fund? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Precision said: Here's the new Bud-Light can, rest assured there won't be any in my fridge.... That rice adjunct crap was never in my fridge in the first place. Example #1002 of the commie take over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Precision said: Here's the new Bud-Light can, rest assured there won't be any in my fridge.... I agree. Stick with Busch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Precision said: Here's the new Bud-Light can, rest assured there won't be any in my fridge.... Perfect encapsulation of modern conservative “thought.” This can is a limited edition made for a single event in Canada. Somehow, that context is completely missing because actually looking something up to ensure you have it correct before saying something is antithetical to the modern conservative movement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 lmao - freakn snowFLAKES The DR clones are so insecure - hysterical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 This trans stuff goes hand in hand with the commies. Just think of all the patently absurd crap they've demanded that you accept in recent years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 hmmm...sounds vaguely familiar. Donnie, is that you? If I can get you to say water isn’t wet. If I can get you to say the Sky is Green. If I can get you to say up is down and right is left. If I can do all that to you, I truly own you. You’re mine. I can make you do whatever I want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 Please @redtail hawk louder. I can't hear you still you commie POS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Please @redtail hawk louder. I can't hear you still you commie POS. I'll take that as a badge of honor. Loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: This trans stuff goes hand in hand with the commies. Just think of all the patently absurd crap they've demanded that you accept in recent years. Have you thought about what the cult has forced us to accept? grow the f up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Just following the Left's "rules" Three Democrats Facing Expulsion From Tennessee Legislature for Aiding the 'Transurrection' Monday, three Tennessee bolsheviks were stripped of their committee assignments and locked out of the Tennessee Capitol because of their leading role in the “Transurrection” that took over the capitol building last Wednesday. State Representatives Gloria Johnson and Justin Jones were notified by the Clerk of the Tennessee House of Representatives that they had been stripped of all committee assignments. A third representative, Justin Pearson, had no committee assignments. Their ability to enter the legislative facilities was restricted in a separate action. https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/04/03/three-democrats-facing-expulsion-from-tennessee-legislature-for-aiding-the-transurrection-n725822 . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: Perfect encapsulation of modern conservative “thought.” This can is a limited edition made for a single event in Canada. Somehow, that context is completely missing because actually looking something up to ensure you have it correct before saying something is antithetical to the modern conservative movement. It starts with a "single event" genius. Do you think a major corporation is going to launch it everywhere without gauging reaction first? Next steps will be to launch nationally on the anniversary of "trans day". Why should corporations even go down this road? There is no reason for companies to enter the political arena. Why can't a beer just be a beer without political background or agenda? Would you be ok with a special edition Starbucks gun rights cup? Yeah, I didn't think so. Typical reaction of the left, no forward thinking. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Precision said: It starts with a "single event" genius. Do you think a major corporation is going to launch it everywhere without gauging reaction first? Next steps will be to launch nationally on the anniversary of "trans day". Why should corporations even go down this road? There is no reason for companies to enter the political arena. Why can't a beer just be a beer without political background or agenda? Would you be ok with a special edition Starbucks gun rights cup? Yeah, I didn't think so. Typical reaction of the left, no forward thinking. Why do this? Easy: it’s capitalism. They are going after a market to make money. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Precision said: It starts with a "single event" genius. Do you think a major corporation is going to launch it everywhere without gauging reaction first? Next steps will be to launch nationally on the anniversary of "trans day". Why should corporations even go down this road? There is no reason for companies to enter the political arena. Why can't a beer just be a beer without political background or agenda? Would you be ok with a special edition Starbucks gun rights cup? Yeah, I didn't think so. Typical reaction of the left, no forward thinking. Hey now..that's a "former republican" you're talking to.... 12 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: So then you're for exposing children to hetero culture in the form of women in bikinis on stripper poles and Chippendale dancers as well then, right? Right @ExiledInIllinois? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 26 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Hey now..that's a "former republican" you're talking to.... Right @ExiledInIllinois? What's the big deal! Oh the Children! 😆 I hear my old man: "These kids learn worse on the schoolbus!" 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What's the big deal! Oh the Children! 😆 I hear my old man: "These kids learn worse on the schoolbus!" 😆 So you're on the record saying you're fine with 1st graders getting a pole dance from juicy from Sundowner then. Good to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: So you're on the record saying you're fine with 1st graders getting a pole dance from juicy from Sundowner then. Good to know. You're fine forcing 10 years olds to have abortions? Good to know. You don't care about kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Funny how all of these people with strong opinions on drag brunches don’t seem to have ever been to one or know what they actually are. It’s about as sexy as a Chuck E. Cheese show. Maybe the problem is just that they see a man in a dress and it gives them a tingly feeling they feel ashamed about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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