IFL Indoor Football League started tonight why isn’t Buffalo in this league?

[Buffalo Super Fan]

If Buffalo is this great football town and sports town that is on the so called economic rise why have we not been picked by leagues like this IFL? The IFL has the Green Bay Blizzard and Arizona (Phoenix) Rattlers are NFL cities and in the 1990’s Buffalo we were picked for leagues like this? I Was a Buffalo season ticket holder of most of these Buffalo franchises. 1992 Buffalo Bandits MILL indoor lacrosse winter league, 1992-93 Buffalo Blizzard NPSL indoor soccer, 1994 Buffalo Stampede RHI Roller Hockey, 1997 Buffalo Wings RHI Roller Hockey, 1997 Buffalo Gamblers OLA indoor lacrosse summer league, 1999 Buffalo Destroyers Arena Football League. Again if Buffalo was happening like the 1990’s we would be in some of these leagues. We are actually worse off economically than the 1990’s in Buffalo in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[LeGOATski]

[Not at the table Karlos]

Nobody put the money up to have a team in Buffalo I'm guessing. 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

My after college years in my twenties were the 1990’s. Buffalo had everything sports wise going on with all kinds of sports teams in the 1990’s. We had professional soccer, roller hockey, arena football. Look at Canisius College that I am alum of. Griffs basketball is scary bad and few fans at KAC a glorified high school gym that doesn’t say Buffalo is happening anymore. Canisius College can’t afford Key Bank Center because Buffalo is broke and quit on college basketball locally because they are broke. If you don’t have enough people in the Western New York population to write a $150 check for Griffs season tickets you are falling as a Western New York community. Again giving the Buffalo Bills $10,000 PSL’s doesn’t say Buffalo is happening when we have far more of everything else sports wise attendance is flat or really declining in Griffs basketball numbers case.

 

Today as a 55 year old I am being told Buffalo is happening today. But we can’t afford USL soccer on the professional level we are working on. What is that? It’s a joke amateur soccer isn’t professional the level is terrible. I saw Tony Meola play for the Buffalo Blizzard NPSL indoor soccer that was paid professional soccer. Yet today indoor soccer went on without Buffalo even tiny Utica has a team in the MASL indoor soccer not Buffalo. We can’t afford it. We don’t need to play the San Diego Sockers or St Louis Ambush or the Kansas City Comets or Milwaukee Wave or Harrisburg Heat we have Bills Mafia and are happening successful city we have Terry Pegula who has zero vision just a taker of public money. We are a mess and our wealthy continue to not live in Western New York or invest just what can they suck out of Western New York.
 

Again when investors are more interested in the metropolitan city’s of Quad City Steamwheelers in Moline, Illinois, Des Moines, Iowa the Iowa Barnstormers are Phoenix, Arizona with the Arizona Rattlers and the San Diego, California, San Diego Strikeforce you know Buffalo isn’t happening as a place to invest in sports wise or anything in anymore. We wonder why we are always coming up short and are disappointed because those other cities have more investment from there wealthy people that actually live there not all in Florida like Buffalo. All our Buffalo area sports teams are owned by two families Terry Pegula and Bob Rich they are both in Florida. Inside Buffalo investment is zip we aren’t happening even with the wasteful billion dollar tunnel to no where just plain old money laundering and play for pay nothing changes but the year in Western New York that is the truth in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited March 18, 2023 by Buffalo Super Fan

[US Egg]

They should bring back the Buffalo Breskis.

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

My after college years in my twenties were the 1990’s. Buffalo had everything sports wise going on with all kinds of sports teams in the 1990’s. We had professional soccer, roller hockey, arena football. Look at Canisius College that I am alum of. Griffs basketball is scary bad and few fans at KAC a glorified high school gym that doesn’t say Buffalo is happening anymore. Canisius College can’t afford Key Bank Center because Buffalo is broke and quit on college basketball locally because they are broke. If you don’t have enough people in the Western New York population to write a $150 check for Griffs season tickets you are falling as a Western New York community. Again giving the Buffalo Bills $10,000 PSL’s doesn’t say Buffalo is happening when we have far more of everything else sports wise attendance is flat or really declining in Griffs basketball numbers case.

 

Today as a 55 year old I am being told Buffalo is happening today. But we can’t afford USL soccer on the professional level we are working on. What is that? It’s a joke amateur soccer isn’t professional the level is terrible. I saw Tony Meola play for the Buffalo Blizzard NPSL indoor soccer that was paid professional soccer. Yet today indoor soccer went on without Buffalo even tiny Utica has a team in the MASL indoor soccer not Buffalo. We can’t afford it. We don’t need to play the San Diego Sockers or St Louis Ambush or the Kansas City Comets or Milwaukee Wave or Harrisburg Heat we have Bills Mafia and are happening successful city we have Terry Pegula who has zero vision just a taker of public money. We are a mess and our wealthy continue to not live in Western New York or invest just what can they suck out of Western New York.
 

Again when investors are more interested in the metropolitan city’s of Quad City Steamwheelers in Moline, Illinois, Des Moines, Iowa the Iowa Barnstormers are Phoenix, Arizona with the Arizona Rattlers and the San Diego, California, San Diego Strikeforce you know Buffalo isn’t happening as a place to invest in sports wise or anything in anymore. We wonder why we are always coming up short and are disappointed because those other cities have more investment from there wealthy people that actually live there not all in Florida like Buffalo. All our Buffalo area sports teams are owned by two families Terry Pegula and Bob Rich they are both in Florida. Inside Buffalo investment is zip we aren’t happening even with the wasteful billion dollar tunnel to no where just plain old money laundering and play for pay nothing changes but the year in Western New York that is the truth in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

BLo seems like a great city, but you're right that it may not be the investment opportunity some people wish it was.

 

It's certainly not comparable to Phoenix or San Diego. I have no idea about Moline or Des Moines.

 

So don't act like it's crazy that the Pegulas don't want to spend more on a big domed stadium downtown.

[Big Turk]

Because nobody cares about this league?

[thenorthremembers]

16 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

My after college years in my twenties were the 1990’s. Buffalo had everything sports wise going on with all kinds of sports teams in the 1990’s. We had professional soccer, roller hockey, arena football. Look at Canisius College that I am alum of. Griffs basketball is scary bad and few fans at KAC a glorified high school gym that doesn’t say Buffalo is happening anymore. Canisius College can’t afford Key Bank Center because Buffalo is broke and quit on college basketball locally because they are broke. If you don’t have enough people in the Western New York population to write a $150 check for Griffs season tickets you are falling as a Western New York community. Again giving the Buffalo Bills $10,000 PSL’s doesn’t say Buffalo is happening when we have far more of everything else sports wise attendance is flat or really declining in Griffs basketball numbers case.

 

Today as a 55 year old I am being told Buffalo is happening today. But we can’t afford USL soccer on the professional level we are working on. What is that? It’s a joke amateur soccer isn’t professional the level is terrible. I saw Tony Meola play for the Buffalo Blizzard NPSL indoor soccer that was paid professional soccer. Yet today indoor soccer went on without Buffalo even tiny Utica has a team in the MASL indoor soccer not Buffalo. We can’t afford it. We don’t need to play the San Diego Sockers or St Louis Ambush or the Kansas City Comets or Milwaukee Wave or Harrisburg Heat we have Bills Mafia and are happening successful city we have Terry Pegula who has zero vision just a taker of public money. We are a mess and our wealthy continue to not live in Western New York or invest just what can they suck out of Western New York.
 

Again when investors are more interested in the metropolitan city’s of Quad City Steamwheelers in Moline, Illinois, Des Moines, Iowa the Iowa Barnstormers are Phoenix, Arizona with the Arizona Rattlers and the San Diego, California, San Diego Strikeforce you know Buffalo isn’t happening as a place to invest in sports wise or anything in anymore. We wonder why we are always coming up short and are disappointed because those other cities have more investment from there wealthy people that actually live there not all in Florida like Buffalo. All our Buffalo area sports teams are owned by two families Terry Pegula and Bob Rich they are both in Florida. Inside Buffalo investment is zip we aren’t happening even with the wasteful billion dollar tunnel to no where just plain old money laundering and play for pay nothing changes but the year in Western New York that is the truth in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

You lost me at soccer.   But seriously, the cure isn't to write a check to Canisius, the cure is to vote for other leadership. 

 

 Rich people don't live here because A.  They'd rather play golf everyday of the year than suffer through 6 months of winter and B.  Not have half of their money stolen by the state.

 

I love where we live because I was born here but I'd have a mansion in Florida asap if I were a billionaire.

 

 

Edited March 19, 2023 by thenorthremembers

[BringBackFergy]

BBF doesn’t agree with BSF. 

[PromoTheRobot]

On 3/18/2023 at 1:19 AM, Buffalo Super Fan said:

If Buffalo is this great football town and sports town that is on the so called economic rise why have we not been picked by leagues like this IFL? The IFL has the Green Bay Blizzard and Arizona (Phoenix) Rattlers are NFL cities and in the 1990’s Buffalo we were picked for leagues like this? I Was a Buffalo season ticket holder of most of these Buffalo franchises. 1992 Buffalo Bandits MILL indoor lacrosse winter league, 1992-93 Buffalo Blizzard NPSL indoor soccer, 1994 Buffalo Stampede RHI Roller Hockey, 1997 Buffalo Wings RHI Roller Hockey, 1997 Buffalo Gamblers OLA indoor lacrosse summer league, 1999 Buffalo Destroyers Arena Football League. Again if Buffalo was happening like the 1990’s we would be in some of these leagues. We are actually worse off economically than the 1990’s in Buffalo in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

Because no one wants to watch minor league indoor football. How many sports do you expect people in WNY to support? (or not support?)

[Buffalo Super Fan]

14 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

You lost me at soccer.   But seriously, the cure isn't to write a check to Canisius, the cure is to vote for other leadership. 

 

 Rich people don't live here because A.  They'd rather play golf everyday of the year than suffer through 6 months of winter and B.  Not have half of their money stolen by the state.

 

I love where we live because I was born here but I'd have a mansion in Florida asap if I were a billionaire.

 

 

Speaking of soccer I believe this is correct Buffalo is the largest city in America today with no professional soccer on any kind outdoor men’s, women’s and no indoor soccer either. That screams volumes this city of Buffalo isn’t taken seriously for the future growth right now. Look at the sport building boom today was soccer specific stadiums. We aren’t a good risk for private investment kinda of proves my point we aren’t happening at this time more needs to be done. If there was any chance for MLS that new Buffalo Bills stadium would have been built downtown but there isn’t any chance for Buffalo MLS soccer which is sad. Terry Pegula could offer $1 billion dollars to MLS for a Buffalo soccer franchise and MLS would most likely say no. Because Buffalo isn’t happening in the next 25 to 30 years which is really sad.
 

Also we need Buffalo local young wealthy people to reinvest in this area that call Buffalo there home. Forget Terry Pegula and Bob Rich the over 71 years for Pegula and over 80 years old for Rich they aren’t the future of Buffalo. Buffalo regardless of the Buffalo Bills decision to stay in Orchard Park needs some kind of Buffalo rectangular stadium again something that Buffalo haven’t had since closing War Memorial Stadium in 1988. 

 

Again the Kennington Tunnel for $1 billion dollars is a bad investment. What is New York State going to do charge people $5 to use the tunnel to get into and out of Buffalo? You know that is most likely coming to recoup the bad investment of the $1 billion dollars. That $1 billion dollars would have been better used on smaller scale projects. Buffalo needs to build a small rectangular stadium for concerts in Buffalo downtown some where 10,000 to 15,000 for a professional level Buffalo USL soccer franchise, to use for concerts and outdoor activities. Rochester has that a rectangular stadium and Buffalo doesn’t. I would build that not the outer harbor concert amphitheater that has no seating bowl and is just grass that screams Harbor Center which is useless because it’s to small to really host anything.
 

I would also invest in more entertainment down there at Canalside like more amusement park rides like the old Crystal Beach Comet roller coaster and more adult rides. Buffalo Canalside needs to be more like Brooklyn’s Coney Island or Old Crystal Beach build the new Buffalo rectangular soccer/concert stadium inside the Canalside amusement park. Again it’s too empty down there now that needs to have a lot more entertainment for the Buffalo summer season. That wouldn’t cost $1 billion dollars and would be a better infrastructure investment to change this city’s of Buffalo’s awful image nationally. We need to clean up Lake Erie so people can swim that is something I would invest in along with building more boardwalks and laying down sand for a beach front before the tunnel to no where. 

 

I think long term Buffalo needs to connect into Toronto and Southern Ontario that is our future getting them to spend there money here more than now for the weekends because Toronto is growing along with the skyline with skyscrapers. Forget New York City there tone deaf to Western New York needs and tunnel isn’t doing really anything it shows the tone deaf disconnect in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Because no one wants to watch minor league indoor football. How many sports do you expect people in WNY to support? (or not support?)

Because my point is you don’t have investment in Buffalo privately it is mostly public from the state of New York. As for the minor league football comment we need programming in Key Bank Center if we are ever going to get that arena renovated in the future. I disagree the Buffalo Destroyers outdrew UB, Canisius and Niagara basketball combined most nights. Also if Buffalo was this great football town we would have arena football. Green Bay, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Jacksonville, Dallas, Bay Area have indoor football franchises with more NFL cities to come. If Buffalo can’t attract a franchise in the New Restarted Arena Football League starting next season that is adding 16 new franchises what the heck does it say about Buffalo? We have no professional sports but the Buffalo Bisons IL baseball in the summer months.
 

Also forget the Buffalo college sports it just isn’t happening. Buffalo drew more with Buffalo Blizzard and Buffalo Destroyers than college basketball today that is a fact. Even the Bonnies don’t outdraw what Buffalo drew in the 1990’s in arena football or indoor soccer. I know I was there for all of it. Some one could start the Buffalo Destroyers, Buffalo Blizzard, Buffalo Stallions tomorrow they all would outdraw Western New York mid major college basketball look it up. I know I watched the doubleheader basketball games dying a slow death as the Buffalo Bandits and Buffalo Blizzard were beating the hell out of the Little Three then Big 4 basketball games on prime Saturday nights they couldn’t draw $5 for two basketball games and free parking at Buffalo Memorial Auditorium. When the Buffalo Blizzard, Buffalo Stampede and Buffalo Destroyers were in Buffalo. I was at UB Bulls East Coast Conference and Mid Con Conference games with 500 people for a game against Youngstown State I thought then as I still do that college sports is a heavy lift for Buffalo. Those UB Bulls basketball Nate Oats teams and Griffs basketball with John Beilein couldn’t put 15,000 like the Buffalo Bandits last night that is reality. Buffalo will like the Buffalo Destroyers again trust me playing other major league cities that Buffalo sports fans can relate too. Even the Buffalo Stampede drew a good 5,000 in Buffalo Memorial Auditorium in the summer time and over 14,000 for the RHI Murphy Cup championship game. That 14,000 is more fans than Syracuse against UB Bulls in the Big 4 basketball game at Marine Midland Arena and more than Canisius vs Kentucky at Marine Midland Arena. Those two disappointing crowds is what finished off the Big 4 doubleheader program restart at Marine Midland Arena. The Arena lost big time on paying Syracuse and Kentucky the money to come to Buffalo and for whatever reason Buffalo fans didn’t go like they had hoped. I was there it was pretty sad. The Buffalo Destroyers were sold to Columbus, Ohio when Mark Hamister who was a terrible owner when it came to running a professional sports franchise when he didn’t get the Buffalo Sabres he took his football and went home. The Buffalo Blizzard John Belanti unfortunately got sick so he folded the Buffalo Blizzard. 
 

Buffalo isn’t a college sports town anymore. I am saying yes I think the Buffalo Destroyers would outdraw all four Big 4 basketball programs combined attendance today like the Buffalo Bandits do today because Buffalo likes professional sports where players get traded and coaches get fired. Plus last point if a Western New Yorker didn’t go to one of those 4 Big 4 schools or if they did they are already rooting for someone there not going to root for someone else locally school wise if they went to school somewhere else. The Buffalo Destroyers are safe because you aren’t rooting against your school you went too. Sure there are some Buffalo fans like me that went to Canisius but grew up going to all four schools games but there aren’t enough of fans like that in Buffalo. The Buffalo Destroyers or a Buffalo professional soccer team would outdraw all of the Buffalo Big 4 basketball teams combined because we aren’t a college sports town anymore at least not for mid major college sports we aren’t. Trust me it hurts me to say that but it’s reality. And none of the schools are interested in Power 5 athletics and I don’t ever see that changing. Buffalo needs programming for the renovation of Key Bank Center to make the numbers work. The soccer team needs to be apart of Canalside development soccer specific stadium which I mentioned above. College sports are always going to struggle in Western New York on the mid major level. The Buffalo Destroyers are a safer bet plus it keeps football year around which is a good thing. The Buffalo Bills are going to become not affordable to a lot of Buffalo fans in 2026.

UB Bulls football it’s the mid major college deal, mostly directional Ohio and Michigan schools. Not in the big league professional cities that Buffalo sports fans are use to like Phoenix, San Diego, Las Vegas, Jacksonville, Orlando, Dallas etc. Las Vegas has three professional football teams today right now in the NFL, IFL and XFL. I think Buffalo would do better than 6,000 last night at the Vegas Vipers XFL football game in Las Vegas. If Buffalo can’t do 6,000 in some minor league football we aren’t the football city everyone thinks and definitely proving my point Buffalo isn’t happening economically anymore like even the 1990’s it’s all propaganda by our Western New York politicians with Buffalo residents parroting the talking points they hear and read in the news locally but with no basis of reality in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Mike in Horseheads]

BSF... your here purely for entertainment purposes right?

[Buffalo Super Fan]

13 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

BSF... your here purely for entertainment purposes right?

I am here to tell it like it is this Buffalo area isn’t happening sports wise anymore we haven’t had much added since the 1990’s. If Buffalo was happening we wouldn’t have a empty Key Bank Center with the opposing team fans. The Boston Bruins game was a disgrace Sunday afternoon. That use to be filled with Buffalo Blizzard indoor soccer and Buffalo Destroyers Arena football and Big 4 college basketball games fans. Less isn’t more both our Bills and Sabres attendance is down today from the 1990’s. So much for well if all these smaller Buffalo teams go away the Bills and Sabres attendance will go up they actually went down out of sight out of mind. Fans were used to going to Key Bank Center for live sports entertainment back then not just Buffalo Sabres and Buffalo Bandits. 
 

Look at Buffalo in 1990’s look at Buffalo today? We have less sports teams and we aren’t happening regardless of what a few Bills Mafia fans think this area doesn’t attract start up sports teams hence we don’t have anything happening. Sports is always good indicator of how an area is doing economically. Do Buffalo sports fans realize the indoor soccer teams went on without the Buffalo Blizzard. The Milwaukee Wave, Baltimore Blast, St Louis Ambush, Kansas City Comets, Harrisburg Heat all went on still in business 22 years later without Buffalo. You will know when Buffalo is improving when these leagues come knocking on Buffalo’s door again. We haven’t had a knock since 1999 Buffalo Destroyers Arena football wake up. We can’t attract a professional soccer team everyone but Buffalo has one that doesn’t say Buffalo is on the up swing economically smoke and mirrors. It’s an embarrassment that I read Buffalo posters thinking Buffalo is happening today how? The new Buffalo Bills stadium? That will sit empty 350 days a year. Our Key Bank Center that attracts nothing today the Buffalo Blizzard team office was by the elevators is storage today for the Buffalo Sabres wake up PSE is a terrible manager of Key Bank Center they don’t attract investment and startups teams to Buffalo. PSE has not added one sports team to Key Bank Center there slum lord owners. They aren’t Seymour and Norty Knox they were sports men. Terry Pegula is a taker that leaches off other business people sports vision Terry Pegula is a bum. Terry Pegula isn’t doing anything for that new Bills Stadium but hosting 10 Buffalo Bills games a year there on our dime wake up we need new owners that aren’t slum lords that might try to improve Western New York instead of takers which is what PSE are takers. Terry Pegula is a bum until proven otherwise. I will be the first to admit I am wrong on this board. I dare PSE to start a new Buffalo franchise it will never happen he even started one in Rochester the Rochester Knighthawks forget Buffalo where most of his sports holdings are he is a taking bum who leaches off other business people’s vision like Ralph Wilson and the Knox Brothers in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Buffalo Super Fan

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

You're Bookman from Seinfeld, aren't you?...

[Gugny]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

I am here to tell it like it is this Buffalo area isn’t happening sports wise anymore we haven’t had much added since the 1990’s. If Buffalo was happening we wouldn’t have a empty Key Bank Center with the opposing team fans. The Boston Bruins game was a disgrace Sunday afternoon. That use to be filled with Buffalo Blizzard indoor soccer and Buffalo Destroyers Arena football and Big 4 college basketball games fans. Less isn’t more both our Bills and Sabres attendance is down today from the 1990’s. So much for well if all these smaller Buffalo teams go away the Bills and Sabres attendance will go up they actually went down out of sight out of mind. Fans were used to going to Key Bank Center for live sports entertainment back then not just Buffalo Sabres and Buffalo Bandits. 
 

Look at Buffalo in 1990’s look at Buffalo today? We have less sports teams and we aren’t happening regardless of what a few Bills Mafia fans think this area doesn’t attract start up sports teams hence we don’t have anything happening. Sports is always good indicator of how an area is doing economically. Do Buffalo sports fans realize the indoor soccer teams went on without the Buffalo Blizzard. The Milwaukee Wave, Baltimore Blast, St Louis Ambush, Kansas City Comets, Harrisburg Heat all went on still in business 22 years later without Buffalo. You will know when Buffalo is improving when these leagues come knocking on Buffalo’s door again. We haven’t had a knock since 1999 Buffalo Destroyers Arena football wake up. We can’t attract a professional soccer team everyone but Buffalo has one that doesn’t say Buffalo is on the up swing economically smoke and mirrors. It’s an embarrassment that I read Buffalo posters thinking Buffalo is happening today how? The new Buffalo Bills stadium? That will sit empty 350 days a year. Our Key Bank Center that attracts nothing today the Buffalo Blizzard team office was by the elevators is storage today for the Buffalo Sabres wake up PSE is a terrible manager of Key Bank Center they don’t attract investment and startups teams to Buffalo. PSE has not added one sports team to Key Bank Center there slum lord owners. They aren’t Seymour and Norty Knox they were sports men. Terry Pegula is a taker that leaches off other business people sports vision Terry Pegula is a bum. Terry Pegula isn’t doing anything for that new Bills Stadium but hosting 10 Buffalo Bills games a year there on our dime wake up we need new owners that aren’t slum lords that might try to improve Western New York instead of takers which is what PSE are takers. Terry Pegula is a bum until proven otherwise. I will be the first to admit I am wrong on this board. I dare PSE to start a new Buffalo franchise it will never happen he even started one in Rochester the Rochester Knighthawks forget Buffalo where most of his sports holdings are he is a taking bum who leaches off other business people’s vision like Ralph Wilson and the Knox Brothers in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

What are your thoughts on Terry Pegula?

[teef]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

I am here to tell it like it is this Buffalo area isn’t happening sports wise anymore we haven’t had much added since the 1990’s. If Buffalo was happening we wouldn’t have a empty Key Bank Center with the opposing team fans. The Boston Bruins game was a disgrace Sunday afternoon. That use to be filled with Buffalo Blizzard indoor soccer and Buffalo Destroyers Arena football and Big 4 college basketball games fans. Less isn’t more both our Bills and Sabres attendance is down today from the 1990’s. So much for well if all these smaller Buffalo teams go away the Bills and Sabres attendance will go up they actually went down out of sight out of mind. Fans were used to going to Key Bank Center for live sports entertainment back then not just Buffalo Sabres and Buffalo Bandits. 
 

Look at Buffalo in 1990’s look at Buffalo today? We have less sports teams and we aren’t happening regardless of what a few Bills Mafia fans think this area doesn’t attract start up sports teams hence we don’t have anything happening. Sports is always good indicator of how an area is doing economically. Do Buffalo sports fans realize the indoor soccer teams went on without the Buffalo Blizzard. The Milwaukee Wave, Baltimore Blast, St Louis Ambush, Kansas City Comets, Harrisburg Heat all went on still in business 22 years later without Buffalo. You will know when Buffalo is improving when these leagues come knocking on Buffalo’s door again. We haven’t had a knock since 1999 Buffalo Destroyers Arena football wake up. We can’t attract a professional soccer team everyone but Buffalo has one that doesn’t say Buffalo is on the up swing economically smoke and mirrors. It’s an embarrassment that I read Buffalo posters thinking Buffalo is happening today how? The new Buffalo Bills stadium? That will sit empty 350 days a year. Our Key Bank Center that attracts nothing today the Buffalo Blizzard team office was by the elevators is storage today for the Buffalo Sabres wake up PSE is a terrible manager of Key Bank Center they don’t attract investment and startups teams to Buffalo. PSE has not added one sports team to Key Bank Center there slum lord owners. They aren’t Seymour and Norty Knox they were sports men. Terry Pegula is a taker that leaches off other business people sports vision Terry Pegula is a bum. Terry Pegula isn’t doing anything for that new Bills Stadium but hosting 10 Buffalo Bills games a year there on our dime wake up we need new owners that aren’t slum lords that might try to improve Western New York instead of takers which is what PSE are takers. Terry Pegula is a bum until proven otherwise. I will be the first to admit I am wrong on this board. I dare PSE to start a new Buffalo franchise it will never happen he even started one in Rochester the Rochester Knighthawks forget Buffalo where most of his sports holdings are he is a taking bum who leaches off other business people’s vision like Ralph Wilson and the Knox Brothers in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

so you see terry pegula as a bit of a father figure?

[Buffalo Super Fan]

No I dare Terry Pegula to start a new Buffalo team of his own that he created like Ralph Wilson and Seymour and Norty Knox did.  I will be the first to say I am wrong about Terry Pegula if he does it? It isn’t happening because Terry Pegula is a taker with no real creativity he isn’t capable. BSF are you saying Terry Pegula sucks compared to Ralph Wilson and the Knox Brothers? Yes. Harbor Center never brought Buffalo OHL major junior hockey or anything that wasn’t already here in Buffalo. The NHL draft combined that is about it for Harbor Center it is too small 2,000 to house anything but little league hockey and low level college hockey Canisius College.
 

Ralph Wilson created a Buffalo AFL football franchise in a new start up league and won a championship in 4 years. The Knox brothers started the Buffalo Sabres NHL, Buffalo Bandits NLL and co founded the Buffalo Blizzard NPSL indoor soccer with Bob Rich. The Sabres went to the finals and lost to the Philadelphia Flyers in year 5 from start up. The Bandits were champions in year one and two from start up. The Blizzard were playoffs year one losing to the great Cleveland Crunch teams with Otto Orf, Hector Marinaro and Zoran Karic. The Blizzard folded after year 9 by John Belanti who bought the team then he became ill and then passed away. Terry Pegula is a bad owner and creates nothing really original sports wise he isn’t capable. He is capable of hiring bad coaches, over paying players and coaches.
 

What the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabres spent on coaches not to coach the Buffalo Blizzard soccer team would be fully funded for 10 years if not more. PSE doesn’t care because there corporate ownership using your money to spend and waste while creating nothing legacy wise for the city they are taking from. What is Terry Pegula legacy besides $1.1 billion dollars it’s $850 million BSF? No it isn’t it’s $1.1 billion dollars over the 30 year lease. Western New York has to care for the new stadium for 30 years. Trust me Terry Pegula isn’t a savior or special he is a bum who is clueless how to win anything or create anything legacy wise Ralph Wilson and the Knox Brothers were sports men not Terry Pegula corporate owner that takes more than he gives back he isn’t a old school sports owner in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Buffalo Super Fan

[Jauronimo]

If you want to know why Buffalo can't have an IFL franchise you need to go back and look at labor negotiations with United Iron Workers and Lackawanna steel circa 1939.  Its been all downhill since then, youngins.

[Another Fan]

The OP definitely lives up to his/her profile name.  I'll say that much 

[4merper4mer]

On 3/18/2023 at 3:43 PM, Buffalo Super Fan said:

My after college years in my twenties were the 1990’s. Buffalo had everything sports wise going on with all kinds of sports teams in the 1990’s. We had professional soccer, roller hockey, arena football. Look at Canisius College that I am alum of. Griffs basketball is scary bad and few fans at KAC a glorified high school gym that doesn’t say Buffalo is happening anymore. Canisius College can’t afford Key Bank Center because Buffalo is broke and quit on college basketball locally because they are broke. If you don’t have enough people in the Western New York population to write a $150 check for Griffs season tickets you are falling as a Western New York community. Again giving the Buffalo Bills $10,000 PSL’s doesn’t say Buffalo is happening when we have far more of everything else sports wise attendance is flat or really declining in Griffs basketball numbers case.

 

Today as a 55 year old I am being told Buffalo is happening today. But we can’t afford USL soccer on the professional level we are working on. What is that? It’s a joke amateur soccer isn’t professional the level is terrible. I saw Tony Meola play for the Buffalo Blizzard NPSL indoor soccer that was paid professional soccer. Yet today indoor soccer went on without Buffalo even tiny Utica has a team in the MASL indoor soccer not Buffalo. We can’t afford it. We don’t need to play the San Diego Sockers or St Louis Ambush or the Kansas City Comets or Milwaukee Wave or Harrisburg Heat we have Bills Mafia and are happening successful city we have Terry Pegula who has zero vision just a taker of public money. We are a mess and our wealthy continue to not live in Western New York or invest just what can they suck out of Western New York.
 

Again when investors are more interested in the metropolitan city’s of Quad City Steamwheelers in Moline, Illinois, Des Moines, Iowa the Iowa Barnstormers are Phoenix, Arizona with the Arizona Rattlers and the San Diego, California, San Diego Strikeforce you know Buffalo isn’t happening as a place to invest in sports wise or anything in anymore. We wonder why we are always coming up short and are disappointed because those other cities have more investment from there wealthy people that actually live there not all in Florida like Buffalo. All our Buffalo area sports teams are owned by two families Terry Pegula and Bob Rich they are both in Florida. Inside Buffalo investment is zip we aren’t happening even with the wasteful billion dollar tunnel to no where just plain old money laundering and play for pay nothing changes but the year in Western New York that is the truth in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Chat GPT is 55 years old?

[Buffalo Super Fan]

On 3/18/2023 at 6:15 AM, Not at the table Karlos said:

Nobody put the money up to have a team in Buffalo I'm guessing. 

Then what does that say about Buffalo? How are the Buffalo Bills selling those expensive boxes in the new stadium with such a limited offering of programming? Why would you pay if you are a company lets say double for what the Bills are currently offering? Just because it has technology upgraded? I can tell you what was really shocking that new Bills stadium scoreboard was very underwhelming I wasn’t impressed it looked smaller than what the Bills currently have.
 

The Key Bank Center has zero tenants beyond the two teams that Seymour and Norty Knox started. How long have they been gone decades? Again why are we even building a new Buffalo Bills stadium for $1.4 billion dollars if our area sucks so bad for our young wealthy to invest if there are any young wealthy in Western New York to invest? Key Bank Center can’t get small business teams where players in the IFL make between $250 to $500 a game. MASL

the salary is between $15,000 to $45,000 a player for the whole new Buffalo Blizzard indoor soccer team is less than a fourth line Buffalo Sabres player? If that is a heavy lift how is NFL staying in Buffalo long term with the kind of dollars that the NFL is asking there member teams going forward? Again we are building a open air football stadium for $1.4 billion dollars we can’t fill the dome stadium downtown already? What? I was in Key Bank Center with no seats in it as a Buffalo Blizzard season ticket holder when it was being built. I was 100% behind the new arena except I would have also kept the Buffalo AUD as a college sports home for our area Division I teams along with a Buffalo Sports Museum. I wouldn’t have built that Explore and More Kids Museum that is a money loser because they already have one in Rochester instead in that area I would have made that area all high end housing to build a tax base for the city there.
 

When I first saw Key Bank Center it look like a giant space ship compared to Buffalo Memorial Auditorium just huge. I will tell Buffalo fans that Key Bank Center was way more impressive than the crap we are building in Orchard Park. Anyway when I was inside Key Bank Center I thought there is no way this place wasn’t going to be happening 300 nights a year for the next 50 years. At first it was then when the 1990’s ended first the Big 4 basketball left. Then the Buffalo Blizzard left after 2001. Buffalo fans don’t realize that was a heavy loss for this city. The Buffalo Blizzard were many of our soccer players taking on the teams in indoor soccer NPSL it gave Key Bank Center 20 dates a year. Then in 2003 the Buffalo Sabres go bankrupt the Buffalo Destroyers Arena Football team gets sold to Columbus, Ohio another heavy loss for Buffalo. Again these teams create jobs gone bye, bye. 
 

Key Bank Center never was right from a business standpoint after those dates going away. What the Buffalo Sabres waste on Ralph Krueger to not coach could have paid for both those teams. We aren’t talking MLS or NBA we are talking MASL and IFL if stuff like that is a heavy left today for Buffalo. How is a Buffalo fan believing that the New Bills stadium isn’t going to be a white elephant that just rots there 350 days a year in Orchard Park? PSE can’t expand there business at Key Bank Center. How are PSE running a new stadium when they can’t run Key Bank Center? San Diego Arena is a dump compared to Key Bank Center. Why can’t PSE or anyone have that building filled for more than Buffalo Sabres wine tasting? Again Key Bank Center can’t be that empty and make a profit for the Buffalo Sabres it isn’t possible. How are the Buffalo Sabres justifying renovations to Key Bank Center when there is no investment there. They build Harbor Center with the hotel and shops but they don’t have enough critical mass of fans to support those business because Key Bank Center doesn’t do a lot of business anymore compared to the 1990’s. It is just a matter of time before Key Bank Center loses the NCAA tournament because of all the new arenas going up. If you are a Buffalo fan what is best if you ask me is to hope Terry Pegula sells the Buffalo Sabres to someone local that can focus there energy building the dome stadium that we have downtown empty Key Bank Center which is a disgrace. If you are young you don’t understand Key Bank Center is one of the emptiest arena in America a disgrace sell controlling interest in the Key Bank Center and the Buffalo Sabres we would be better off as a Western New York community. Let PSE run the Buffalo Bills and that new Bills stadium into the ground. Because I always felt that the Key Bank Center is more important for downtown sell Terry Pegula sell the Buffalo Sabres along with Key Bank Center in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Not at the table Karlos]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Then what does that say about Buffalo? How are the Buffalo Bills selling those expensive boxes in the new stadium with such a limited offering of programming? Why would you pay if you are a company lets say double for what the Bills are currently offering? Just because it has technology upgraded? I can tell you what was really shocking that new Bills stadium scoreboard was very underwhelming I wasn’t impressed it looked smaller than what the Bills currently have.
 

The Key Bank Center has zero tenants beyond the two teams that Seymour and Norty Knox started. How long have they been gone decades? Again why are we even building a new Buffalo Bills stadium for $1.4 billion dollars if our area sucks so bad for our young wealthy to invest if there are any young wealthy in Western New York to invest? Key Bank Center can’t get small business teams where players in the IFL make between $250 to $500 a game. MASL

the salary is between $15,000 to $45,000 a player for the whole new Buffalo Blizzard indoor soccer team is less than a fourth line Buffalo Sabres player? If that is a heavy lift how is NFL staying in Buffalo long term with the kind of dollars that the NFL is asking there member teams going forward? Again we are building a open air football stadium for $1.4 billion dollars we can’t fill the dome stadium downtown already? What? I was in Key Bank Center with no seats in it as a Buffalo Blizzard season ticket holder when it was being built. I was 100% behind the new arena except I would have also kept the Buffalo AUD as a college sports home for our area Division I teams along with a Buffalo Sports Museum. I wouldn’t have built that Explore and More Kids Museum that is a money loser because they already have one in Rochester instead in that area I would have made that area all high end housing to build a tax base for the city there.
 

When I first saw Key Bank Center it look like a giant space ship compared to Buffalo Memorial Auditorium just huge. I will tell Buffalo fans that Key Bank Center was way more impressive than the crap we are building in Orchard Park. Anyway when I was inside Key Bank Center I thought there is no way this place wasn’t going to be happening 300 nights a year for the next 50 years. At first it was then when the 1990’s ended first the Big 4 basketball left. Then the Buffalo Blizzard left after 2001. Buffalo fans don’t realize that was a heavy loss for this city. The Buffalo Blizzard were many of our soccer players taking on the teams in indoor soccer NPSL it gave Key Bank Center 20 dates a year. Then in 2003 the Buffalo Sabres go bankrupt the Buffalo Destroyers Arena Football team gets sold to Columbus, Ohio another heavy loss for Buffalo. Again these teams create jobs gone bye, bye. 
 

Key Bank Center never was right from a business standpoint after those dates going away. What the Buffalo Sabres waste on Ralph Krueger to not coach could have paid for both those teams. We aren’t talking MLS or NBA we are talking MASL and IFL if stuff like that is a heavy left today for Buffalo. How is a Buffalo fan believing that the New Bills stadium isn’t going to be a white elephant that just rots there 350 days a year in Orchard Park? PSE can’t expand there business at Key Bank Center. How are PSE running a new stadium when they can’t run Key Bank Center? San Diego Arena is a dump compared to Key Bank Center. Why can’t PSE or anyone have that building filled for more than Buffalo Sabres wine tasting? Again Key Bank Center can’t be that empty and make a profit for the Buffalo Sabres it isn’t possible. How are the Buffalo Sabres justifying renovations to Key Bank Center when there is no investment there. They build Harbor Center with the hotel and shops but they don’t have enough critical mass of fans to support those business because Key Bank Center doesn’t do a lot of business anymore compared to the 1990’s. It is just a matter of time before Key Bank Center loses the NCAA tournament because of all the new arenas going up. If you are a Buffalo fan what is best if you ask me is to hope Terry Pegula sells the Buffalo Sabres to someone local that can focus there energy building the dome stadium that we have downtown empty Key Bank Center which is a disgrace. If you are young you don’t understand Key Bank Center is one of the emptiest arena in America a disgrace sell controlling interest in the Key Bank Center and the Buffalo Sabres we would be better off as a Western New York community. Let PSE run the Buffalo Bills and that new Bills stadium into the ground. Because I always felt that the Key Bank Center is more important for downtown sell Terry Pegula sell the Buffalo Sabres along with Key Bank Center in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

It says that the demand was so low the last time there was an indoor team here that they moved to Ohio and nobody wants to flush their money down the toilet to try and bring it back.

 

You like to blame the owners but the owners aren't in it to give the city free entertainment on their own dime. There has to be customers. They have to pay the players,rent, utilities, police, security, ushers, concession workers, parking attendants... If the people don't come and spend money why even do it. 

 

  I had seasons every year the Destroyers were here. There was never more than a 1/4 of the tickets sold even when they were decent. I ended up becoming friends with a lot of the players because I was one of the few people they saw every week. The team sat us with the injured players behind the bench. There would be a few injured players, my family then nobody else anywhere near us. 

[Jauronimo]

12 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Then what does that say about Buffalo? How are the Buffalo Bills selling those expensive boxes in the new stadium with such a limited offering of programming? Why would you pay if you are a company lets say double for what the Bills are currently offering? Just because it has technology upgraded? I can tell you what was really shocking that new Bills stadium scoreboard was very underwhelming I wasn’t impressed it looked smaller than what the Bills currently have.
 

The Key Bank Center has zero tenants beyond the two teams that Seymour and Norty Knox started. How long have they been gone decades? Again why are we even building a new Buffalo Bills stadium for $1.4 billion dollars if our area sucks so bad for our young wealthy to invest if there are any young wealthy in Western New York to invest? Key Bank Center can’t get small business teams where players in the IFL make between $250 to $500 a game. MASL

the salary is between $15,000 to $45,000 a player for the whole new Buffalo Blizzard indoor soccer team is less than a fourth line Buffalo Sabres player? If that is a heavy lift how is NFL staying in Buffalo long term with the kind of dollars that the NFL is asking there member teams going forward? Again we are building a open air football stadium for $1.4 billion dollars we can’t fill the dome stadium downtown already? What? I was in Key Bank Center with no seats in it as a Buffalo Blizzard season ticket holder when it was being built. I was 100% behind the new arena except I would have also kept the Buffalo AUD as a college sports home for our area Division I teams along with a Buffalo Sports Museum. I wouldn’t have built that Explore and More Kids Museum that is a money loser because they already have one in Rochester instead in that area I would have made that area all high end housing to build a tax base for the city there.
 

When I first saw Key Bank Center it look like a giant space ship compared to Buffalo Memorial Auditorium just huge. I will tell Buffalo fans that Key Bank Center was way more impressive than the crap we are building in Orchard Park. Anyway when I was inside Key Bank Center I thought there is no way this place wasn’t going to be happening 300 nights a year for the next 50 years. At first it was then when the 1990’s ended first the Big 4 basketball left. Then the Buffalo Blizzard left after 2001. Buffalo fans don’t realize that was a heavy loss for this city. The Buffalo Blizzard were many of our soccer players taking on the teams in indoor soccer NPSL it gave Key Bank Center 20 dates a year. Then in 2003 the Buffalo Sabres go bankrupt the Buffalo Destroyers Arena Football team gets sold to Columbus, Ohio another heavy loss for Buffalo. Again these teams create jobs gone bye, bye. 
 

Key Bank Center never was right from a business standpoint after those dates going away. What the Buffalo Sabres waste on Ralph Krueger to not coach could have paid for both those teams. We aren’t talking MLS or NBA we are talking MASL and IFL if stuff like that is a heavy left today for Buffalo. How is a Buffalo fan believing that the New Bills stadium isn’t going to be a white elephant that just rots there 350 days a year in Orchard Park? PSE can’t expand there business at Key Bank Center. How are PSE running a new stadium when they can’t run Key Bank Center? San Diego Arena is a dump compared to Key Bank Center. Why can’t PSE or anyone have that building filled for more than Buffalo Sabres wine tasting? Again Key Bank Center can’t be that empty and make a profit for the Buffalo Sabres it isn’t possible. How are the Buffalo Sabres justifying renovations to Key Bank Center when there is no investment there. They build Harbor Center with the hotel and shops but they don’t have enough critical mass of fans to support those business because Key Bank Center doesn’t do a lot of business anymore compared to the 1990’s. It is just a matter of time before Key Bank Center loses the NCAA tournament because of all the new arenas going up. If you are a Buffalo fan what is best if you ask me is to hope Terry Pegula sells the Buffalo Sabres to someone local that can focus there energy building the dome stadium that we have downtown empty Key Bank Center which is a disgrace. If you are young you don’t understand Key Bank Center is one of the emptiest arena in America a disgrace sell controlling interest in the Key Bank Center and the Buffalo Sabres we would be better off as a Western New York community. Let PSE run the Buffalo Bills and that new Bills stadium into the ground. Because I always felt that the Key Bank Center is more important for downtown sell Terry Pegula sell the Buffalo Sabres along with Key Bank Center in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

If Buffalo can't support a national Pickleball franchise how will the Bills and Sabres ever remain viable here?  Losing two franchises with no local interest in irrelevant semi-pro leagues really was the final nail in the coffin for WNY, IMO.

[May Day 10]

It is a misconception that Buffalo is this amazing sports city.  We do have a deep love affair with the Bills.... and the Sabres get supported well for the most part (although this is overstated and there are fits and starts).  The Bandits thing is a nice story too, but it is an enigma that has taken root (in large part to the local reservations), as were the crazy Bisons years from 1988 to 1991.

 

It is tough to get support for much here if it isnt Bills or Sabres.  I have talked to people about an OHL team in town a bunch of times, and this arena football team kind of falls into this.  People will not support minor league/irrelevant stuff here.  We have a pretty decent NCAA football and basketball program with some national relevance (or was building national relevance) and most people wont bother.  We have 2 Division 1 NCAA Hockey programs in the area who aren't supported, and you never hear a peep until they win their conference.  An OHL team would die on the vine, as would most other sports ventures.  

 

I say it in a lot of similar topics, and likely already did here... but things would be different if we had Fortune 500s anchored downtown, along with a lot of affluent residents and a self-sustaining ecosystem with grocery stores, convenient mass transit, and everything people need to live without leaving the confines of downtown proper/first ring of the city.  In that case, there would be a much more thriving nightly scene downtown and teams like this could survive.  As it is, people arent in a hurry to drive from Grand Island, Williamsville, or West Seneca to park and attend an arena football game.  

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, May Day 10 said:

It is a misconception that Buffalo is this amazing sports city.  We do have a deep love affair with the Bills.... and the Sabres get supported well for the most part (although this is overstated and there are fits and starts).  The Bandits thing is a nice story too, but it is an enigma that has taken root (in large part to the local reservations), as were the crazy Bisons years from 1988 to 1991.

 

It is tough to get support for much here if it isnt Bills or Sabres.  I have talked to people about an OHL team in town a bunch of times, and this arena football team kind of falls into this.  People will not support minor league/irrelevant stuff here.  We have a pretty decent NCAA football and basketball program with some national relevance (or was building national relevance) and most people wont bother.  We have 2 Division 1 NCAA Hockey programs in the area who aren't supported, and you never hear a peep until they win their conference.  An OHL team would die on the vine, as would most other sports ventures.  

 

I say it in a lot of similar topics, and likely already did here... but things would be different if we had Fortune 500s anchored downtown, along with a lot of affluent residents and a self-sustaining ecosystem with grocery stores, convenient mass transit, and everything people need to live without leaving the confines of downtown proper/first ring of the city.  In that case, there would be a much more thriving nightly scene downtown and teams like this could survive.  As it is, people arent in a hurry to drive from Grand Island, Williamsville, or West Seneca to park and attend an arena football game.  

I imagine that in cities with NHL and NFL franchises, interest in minor league teams (particularly within the same sport) is less in general.  

[Buffalo Super Fan]

3 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

It is a misconception that Buffalo is this amazing sports city.  We do have a deep love affair with the Bills.... and the Sabres get supported well for the most part (although this is overstated and there are fits and starts).  The Bandits thing is a nice story too, but it is an enigma that has taken root (in large part to the local reservations), as were the crazy Bisons years from 1988 to 1991.

 

It is tough to get support for much here if it isnt Bills or Sabres.  I have talked to people about an OHL team in town a bunch of times, and this arena football team kind of falls into this.  People will not support minor league/irrelevant stuff here.  We have a pretty decent NCAA football and basketball program with some national relevance (or was building national relevance) and most people wont bother.  We have 2 Division 1 NCAA Hockey programs in the area who aren't supported, and you never hear a peep until they win their conference.  An OHL team would die on the vine, as would most other sports ventures.  

 

I say it in a lot of similar topics, and likely already did here... but things would be different if we had Fortune 500s anchored downtown, along with a lot of affluent residents and a self-sustaining ecosystem with grocery stores, convenient mass transit, and everything people need to live without leaving the confines of downtown proper/first ring of the city.  In that case, there would be a much more thriving nightly scene downtown and teams like this could survive.  As it is, people arent in a hurry to drive from Grand Island, Williamsville, or West Seneca to park and attend an arena football game.  

First this isn’t a college sports town anymore regardless of the sport it just isn’t. I have supported all of the major football UB and Big 4 basketball with season tickets we aren’t a college sports town. Minor league or minor professional sports absolutely outdraws Buffalo local college sports it has been that way since the 1980’s.
 

I disagree the Buffalo Sabres don’t have great Buffalo support without the Canadian support. The Buffalo Destroyers and Buffalo Blizzard outdrew the Buffalo college teams. The Buffalo Bandits would draw regardless of the reservations. The Buffalo Bandits support is stronger than the always failing Buffalo Sabres take away the Sabres Canadian fan base there is nothing. Look

at Buffalo Bandits games that use to be Buffalo Sabres games in the old Buffalo AUD all most everyone was rooting for the home town team that isn’t the case with the Buffalo Sabres.
 

The Buffalo Bandits working class fans can afford the games you seem to gloss over that. Buffalo Bills are a national brand that are traditional and draw a lot of out of town fans for the weekend. The Buffalo Sabres are Canadian and original six fans see Boston, New York Rangers and Montreal brand now it was embarrassing watching that. Why is that happening economically the Buffalo Sabres are beyond working class fans today. The Buffalo Bisons play 75 games they outdraw the Buffalo Sabres total attendance. The Buffalo Bisons are a good example of what working class Buffalo can support. Why? My opinion it’s economics Buffalo working class fans aren’t spending $40 a ticket plus $20 to park that isn’t happening regardless of the Buffalo Sabres success or lack of success.
 

The Buffalo Blizzard had family season tickets for 4 for $500 plus parking ramp for 20 games that is working class sports team. The Buffalo Destroyers $50 and $100 season tickets that is working class team. There is this myth that Buffalo will support the Buffalo Bills, Sabres and Buffalo college teams more if we keep minor professional sports out of Buffalo. It’s exactly the opposite attendance is worse today than ever before because young people aren’t experiencing live sports games of anything much in Buffalo anymore. There are no more Buffalo Blizzard Boy Scout and Girl Scout nights other than the Buffalo Bisons. Not a lot of family affordable teams anymore. It’s dangerous because young fans aren’t growing up like my generation, my nieces and nephews did. Again the Buffalo Bills aren’t affordable anymore it’s television for most people. Same with the Buffalo Sabres. Keeping everything out isn’t making the Buffalo Bills or Buffalo Sabres any less at risk of moving.
 

Again if Buffalo, Western New York doesn’t become economically more attractive in the next 15 years 100 percent BSF guarantee both the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabres are in jeopardy of being moved regardless of the so called ironclad lease. Buffalo can’t keep shrinking economically saying nothing to see here. I also think that the Buffalo Blizzard returning in any professional soccer form would be very popular again. The Buffalo Blizzard left because the owner was ill dying and no one was interested buying the Buffalo Blizzard at the time and they folded. The Buffalo Destroyers drew decent Mark Hamister lost out on the Buffalo Sabres bid and was ticked off selling the Buffalo Destroyers to Columbus, Ohio. Buffalo Destroyers season ticket holders got Dear John letters the Buffalo Destroyers are moving to Columbus, Ohio good bye thank you for support.
 

Buffalo OHL wouldn’t work in Buffalo I agree with that. Buffalo AHL would work because working class Buffalo Sabres fans watching on television at home now priced out of the NHL today would be able to see future Buffalo Sabres prospects for under $20 which is more affordable than $40 plus a game in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Tierlifer]

On 3/22/2023 at 2:02 PM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

You're Bookman from Seinfeld, aren't you?...

Or Bookman from “Good Times”.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

Today is the list of the 16 AFL Teams for 2024 unfortunately Buffalo, New York Buffalo Destroyers didn’t make it. 
 

1. Austin Wranglers 

2. Boise Shock

 

3. California rumor is the San Jose Sabercats or will it be Los Angeles Avengers, Los Angeles Cobras or Anaheim Piranhas

4. Colorado (Denver) Colorado Crush or Denver Dynamite?

 

5. Chicago Rush or will it be Chicago Bruisers 

 

6. Louisiana rumor is the New Orleans Voodoo

 

7. Minnesota Fighting Pike?

8. Ohio my guess the Columbus Destroyers are going there not Buffalo unfortunately but it could be Cleveland Gladiators or Cincinnati Rockers?

 

9. Oregon Portland Forests Dragons

 

10. Orlando mystery will the Orlando Predators leave the NAL?

 

11. Philadelphia Soul

12. St Louis Stampede

13. Tallahassee ?

 

14. Tennessee Nashville Kats or Memphis Pharaohs 

 

15. Washington ? Seattle or Washington DC?

 

16. West Texas? 

 

Very vague but not just no Buffalo but no New York City area at all with all the empty arenas in the summer in New York City that is shocking. But unfortunately this is not a state you can do start up sports businesses in anymore very unfriendly business state for minor professional sports leagues and teams today. Part of it is the high cost for insurance work comp I have heard over the years in New York State it has driven minor sports franchises out of New York State notice no New Jersey Newark or Massachusetts Boston or Connecticut Hartford or Michigan Detroit it’s unfortunate but it is what it is. Buffalo Super Fan I don’t like you. Why? For telling the truth that New York state and Erie county area needs to stop giving money to stay to like us and fix the bad business climate in New York State not just Buffalo but the whole state of New York we have been a mess economically forever it seems but by the early 2000’s when the Buffalo Blizzard packed up after 9 years and the Buffalo Destroyers packed up after 5 years that this state isn’t a place to do sports business in anymore. It was a bad sign of where we are today. The Buffalo Beauts PHF women’s professional hockey team folded after 8 years with the PHF being bought that isn’t good in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[May Day 10]

Are these owners who applied for teams?  Or is it the league currently maintaining ownership of all the teams for now?

 

I suspect it is the latter.

 

Just by seeing that list, I would say they missed the mark and the league will (again) fail.  

 

The league needs to start small, regional, and build-out.  You have a team in Boise, and a team in Louisiana.  That is stupid.  Oregon stretching to Orlando

 

If it were me, I would try to find markets, who are normally a captive audience to sports, and keep it relatively within a regional foot-print.  Possibly have a number of other cities in mind for another division in the future.  Preferably in cities who do not have both NHL and NBA.  I would start at 5-8 teams.

 

Iowa (to capitalize on the nostalgia), Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Buffalo?, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Nashville, KC.    Possibilities would include St Louis, Omaha, and Columbus