Floydboy12 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 If Frazier is DC next year expect more disappointment. There are pieces in place for the defense to be really good. I wouldn’t be opposed to tagging Edmunds but would rather just let him walk. Draft a LB that makes plays close to the line of scrimmage not 15 yards downfield. Let Poyer go. Oliver is up in the air to me. See if you can sign Motor to a team friendly deal. Draft has to primarily address the O line, get a blocking TE to go along with Dawson, and a couple playmakers for Allen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: They didn’t have Metcalf or AJ Brown rated over Cody Ford. That’s concerning. The next year, they felt they couldn’t get high enough for one of the top three receivers so they traded for Diggs. Meanwhile the 4th receiver taken, Justin Jefferson, is easily the best of the class. They didn’t evaluate him as such. Their last first round grade from this past draft was Elam meanwhile George Pickens has a rookie year that suggests he’d go in the top 15 if the league were to have a redraft. This with Pickett and Trubisky throwing to him. It would’ve been okay for Beane to admit they have to get better at evaluating talent. He says they would’ve ran to the podium to draft Jamarr Chase, but they didn’t run to the podium for any of those other top receivers. They might’ve screwed up the Chase evaluation too, I can’t trust that they wouldn’t have. I mean it is fair to say we misjudged not only Hodgins as a WR, but also Teller at OG. Right, wrong or indifferent and without a ton of reflection on my part, it feels like we are targeting players in the draft to fit what Sean wants position wise and based on positional ranking. I'd like to see Beane really look at the talent available and get the right player, regardless of position. We had to have Elam with the hole from Wallace, but yet with hindsight and the amount of snaps he had, a 6th round rookie and Dane Jackson started over him. We certainly could have drafted Pickens there. Look at going after the WFT RB and how pissed Beane was. We traded around how many times to end up with Cook, how many snaps? Trade deadline need that RB who can catch and open up the offense, get Hines (who makes more $$ then Eckler), nothing on offense. This offense is complicated and hard to pick up none of these guys can play, but yet the Bengals defended our offense perfectly 66% of the time? GTFO with no changes. We have been outclassed and outclassed every year in the playoffs... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 McDermotts scheme for defense only works if the front 4 can get home so expect more draft capital on d line unless they think Von can stay healthy and will be the same guy after the surgery in his mid 30's Just fix the O Line I'd give the bills a better shot of outscoring opponents behind a solid line than trying to build the a shutdown defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I’m about as confident after this presser as I was when Cincy went up 24-10 and McDermott elected to punt next drive. This regime will never get it done. We’re just wasting a generational talent at QB is all. Sad! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 You also need to listen to McD’s conference. He specifically said the lines were why we lost Sunday and that work needs to be done there. Neither of these guys are going to throw a specific individual under the bus 48 hours after season’s end. Beane and McD will now evaluate each player and coach, and changes will be made. I hope Frazier is one such change. His D has not answered the bell in the playoffs, and a change in philosophy there is warranted. We need the D to attack more vs. be passive reactors. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) The last year we had a high first round pick was in 2019, we selected Ed Oliver 9th overall. Some notable wide receivers that were selected long after Oliver include: Deebo Samuel, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, and Hunter Renfrow. All of these receivers would have made a significant impact on our roster. You don’t need to have a high first round pick to find substantial contributors on offense Edited January 25, 2023 by Finkle Is Einhorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said: The last year we had a high first round pick was in 2019, we selected Ed Oliver 9th overall. Some notable wide receivers that were selected long after Oliver include: Deebo Samuel, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, and Hunter Renfrow. All of these receivers would have made a significant impact on our roster. You don’t need to have a high first round pick to find substantial contributors on offense Seeing some of the names we've passed up over the years to draft who we did is just downright depressing at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Today Beane said out loud you can only get Ja’mar Chase by picking high in the draft. That is just unacceptable - even if he doesn’t really think that - I want him telling fans we need to do a better job drafting freaking late because I expect to be every dam year! To me, the drafting the last 3 years is why we didn’t get over the hump. But….. “Can’t trade up! Wouldn’t want to end up with Cee Dee Lamb or Chris Olave or anything. Need more draft picks! Trade back!!!” What have the picks we have spend on D done for us? How did the rebuilt DL hold up after Von went out? All of those resources performed how well? Questions to ask, did we target specific physical and skill traits to fit a scheme? How did we strike out with AJ, Boogie, Groot, Oliver (who's lack of size is really showing up) etc. Is this simply poor developmental projections based to player specific deficiencies? Is it poor dl coaching not being able to coach and develop them properly? Is it scheme vs talent vs usage mismatch? The draft certainly is a crap shoot, everyone misses, but we have let too many players who would have helped our offense fall through our hands to focus on defensive improvement. This is due to how Sean wants to build the team. I tend to think this is the reason behind Beane's presser today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: We have 24 FA. There will likely be a lot of new faces on this team next season. Dont expect any big names. The only FA's that are going to take peanuts contracts are also JAGS just like we have. He needs to nail the drafts. There is no cap space. We are an est 15 mil over the cap and have 24 people to sign just to get a full 53 man roster. They arent going to restructure the entire team to sign some big name. Unfortunately I think he has screwed uo the draft and neglected the offense so bad the last 4 years, It will be too much to overcome this offseason. Im very happy to be wrong. But I think they die with that major DL investment next year at the expense of not getting one of the best qbs viable weapons and protection. Cowherd had a great point, Andy Reid rebuilt an Oline in 1 offseason, so did the Chargers. This id Beanes 6th year and the Oline still couldn't be much worse. Terrible drafting/Fa, roster management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 What an absolute disaster of a PC. Not as bad as Whaley’s “I’m not privy” face-plant but damn close. Beane fitted his neck for the guillotine today. Shocking lack of accountability and an insult to the fans who understand there are multiple ways to build a winner. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I will add this, I was at the game 13 rows from the field section 130 and sitting with player's family's (Shakir, Gilliam, Edmunds fam was right there, and I'm not sure who was next to me, didn't feel right asking). When they scored their 2nd td to go up 14 to 0, Sean was nervously flipping that play chart. He went right over to the DL on the bench got one 1 knee had the tablet and was showing them whatever it was he was seeing they were doing offensively, Frazier just stood there and watches. It looked like a basketball coach drawing plays up on the sideline during a crucial TO. It did appear that Sean was calling the D for a few plays at least the series after. Perhaps it was seeing this, that really makes me feel that a change in DC does nothing, and I'm more than certain he was all in on helping with the gameplan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: What have the picks we have spend on D done for us? How did the rebuilt DL hold up after Von went out? All of those resources performed how well? Questions to ask, did we target specific physical and skill traits to fit a scheme? How did we strike out with AJ, Boogie, Groot, Oliver (who's lack of size is really showing up) etc. Is this simply poor developmental projections based to player specific deficiencies? Is it poor dl coaching not being able to coach and develop them properly? Is it scheme vs talent vs usage mismatch? The draft certainly is a crap shoot, everyone misses, but we have let too many players who would have helped our offense fall through our hands to focus on defensive improvement. This is due to how Sean wants to build the team. I tend to think this is the reason behind Beane's presser today... Which began with basically “just too many injuries…..it was a year like nothing I’ve ever seen.” True but issues were there before the blizzards and before Damar mostly on offense. Of Beane’s OWN MAKING. That’s his oline. Those are his RBs including one he traded for to return kicks. Those were his slot WRs and Smoke Brown back for some reason. Why? He failed to get it done. Josh goes out there and says “I played like ***t.” Can our GM say “I got to do a better job helping this team out - I promise you I will.” Instead he actually lamented about our cap situation. I know it might mean nothing. But fans needed something more that instills confidence. Not just for us. But eventually these 3-5 year vets on this team are going to stop trusting processes. Diggs is going to be 30. The window is closing. I fear the players will start to believe it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Which began with basically “just too many injuries…..it was a year like nothing I’ve ever seen.” True but issues were there before the blizzards and before Damar mostly on offense. Of Beane’s OWN MAKING. That’s his oline. Those are his RBs including one he traded for to return kicks. Those were his slot WRs and Smoke Brown back for some reason. Why? He failed to get it done. Josh goes out there and says “I played like ***t.” Can our GM say “I got to do a better job helping this team out - I promise you I will.” Instead he actually lamented about our cap situation. I know it might mean nothing. But fans needed something more that instills confidence. Not just for us. But eventually these 3-5 year vets on this team are going to stop trusting processes. By the looks and actions of this team, I fear some have already stopped trusting the process. Cant blame them, when the process includes focusing on Defense 3 to 1, and you have Josh Allen as your qb, who in their right mind could trust that process year after year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Essentially just said Dorsey will be back Cool...more addicted hero ball from Josh because Dorsey has no clue how to structure an offense. Dorsey: " hey guys it's 3rd & 3, everyone go deep"..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Which began with basically “just too many injuries…..it was a year like nothing I’ve ever seen.” True but issues were there before the blizzards and before Damar mostly on offense. Of Beane’s OWN MAKING. That’s his oline. Those are his RBs including one he traded for to return kicks. Those were his slot WRs and Smoke Brown back for some reason. Why? He failed to get it done. Josh goes out there and says “I played like ***t.” Can our GM say “I got to do a better job helping this team out - I promise you I will.” Instead he actually lamented about our cap situation. I know it might mean nothing. But fans needed something more that instills confidence. Not just for us. But eventually these 3-5 year vets on this team are going to stop trusting processes. I'm really stunned by this, thus far this has not been the type of GM to act like this. It feels like his usual honesty is absent because he doesn't want to call out this coaching staff and Sean. Being critical, Ty Dunne had an article last year on the 13 seconds that was very critical of McD, he had another one on Monday after the loss. JW while still on here earlier this season alluded to issues within the locker room that could pull the team apart and further waste this season (I wish he wasn't chased off so we could have gotten more insight). Sometimes where there is smoke there truly is fire and we are not privy to see it all. The cap situation being lamented on is entirely by his doing at the bequest of what Sean wants... Beane's presser today lends some more credence to the entire organization only looked at the surface of what happened during those 13 seconds and a decision was made to run it back and add Von and replace Levi. I tend to think there has to be some tension within the organization with the poor play (development of the DL and those coveted and high picks), we need Elam (beat out by 6th round rookie and sparingly plays as a rookie) can't sniff the all rookie team, the push for RB with plans to use on offense that wasn't used in that role much during the season, he has to be fuming as these poor picks compound and increase the focus and scrutiny on the FO with their misses and lack of development or ability to get on the field. The excuse is that, again, it takes time to learn our D scheme (that was called basic by Cincy) and our offense that Hines, Cook, Shakir need time to learn (that was shut down and perfectly played against 66% of the time against Cincy who has only played us for like 5 quarters since 2019)? Beane was unwilling to be this honest or even with his usual honesty today, as it would tear Sean down and the organization is not looking to replace him. JMO Edited January 25, 2023 by Reed83HOF 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: By the looks and actions of this team, I fear some have already stopped trusting the process. Cant blame them, when the process includes focusing on Defense 3 to 1, and you have Josh Allen as your qb, who in their right mind could trust that process year after year! Newsflash....as long as McD runs this team, he'll always emphasize defense over offense. Now I can see why Andy Reid fired him. Maybe he can draft some more DE's who can transition to OL? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 56 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: They didn’t have Metcalf or AJ Brown rated over Cody Ford. That’s concerning. The next year, they felt they couldn’t get high enough for one of the top three receivers so they traded for Diggs. Meanwhile the 4th receiver taken, Justin Jefferson, is easily the best of the class. They didn’t evaluate him as such. Their last first round grade from this past draft was Elam meanwhile George Pickens has a rookie year that suggests he’d go in the top 15 if the league were to have a redraft. This with Pickett and Trubisky throwing to him. It would’ve been okay for Beane to admit they have to get better at evaluating talent. He says they would’ve ran to the podium to draft Jamarr Chase, but they didn’t run to the podium for any of those other top receivers. They might’ve screwed up the Chase evaluation too, I can’t trust that they wouldn’t have. Beane is not a witch. Beane is a pretty decent GM. You can do worse. I think I’m a little higher on McD here than others. We’ve seen the defense get measurably better; even in game, when McD takes over play calling. I think (hope?) he gives his assistants enough rope and support to both fail and succeed which is good as a leader. I wouldn’t be shocked if we walk away from Frazier. And if we have another draft where top 100 picks don’t see the field more than 1/3 the time, we may see Beane hit the road as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 You want him to say what we're truly thinking? Beane: "Hey yo we suck ass, bruh. We're terrible, bruh. Our defense is ass. Our offense is Josh Allen going HAM, bruh. That's all we have. Bengals ate our faces off. I effed up with our defensive draft selections. Bit me all up in my ass, bruh. I don't draft wide receivers because Josh Allen makes Joe Blow from the Streets look good so there was no need to draft any receiver. So please pray for me. I mean, pray for us." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: Newsflash....as long as McD runs this team, he'll always emphasize defense over offense. Now I can see why Andy Reid fired him. Maybe he can draft some more DE's who can transition to OL? Look at the DC he learned under in Philly and look at the defense he runs. Can they be more opposite? I will give credit where credit is due - he turned the franchise around but I think he is at his ceiling. We will know for certain this time next year, but the picture is getting fairly clear 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said: You want him to say what we're truly thinking? Beane: "Hey yo we suck ass, bruh. We're terrible, bruh. Our defense is ass. Our offense is Josh Allen going HAM, bruh. That's all we have. Bengals ate our faces off. I effed up with our defensive draft selections. Bit me all up in my ass, bruh. I don't draft wide receivers because Josh Allen makes Joe Blow from the Streets look good so there was no need to draft any receiver. So please pray for me. I mean, pray for us." This is EXACTLY what a number of posters here want. Just put him in the winter hat he was wearing for the Christmas thing a couple years back lol. That sh!t would be comedy gold.😂😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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