Great and pretty brutal assessment of Bills’ talent by Chris Simms

[Calidiehard]

Look at the offensive disparity between Bills and Bengals. 

Bengals have a 1st round receiver and Tight End, 2 2nd round receivers, 2nd round RB. 

Bills have 0 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round receivers, 2 4th rounders, 2 5th rounders. A 3rd round TE and 2nd round RB. 

The team needs to invest more into the offense and stop spending so many 1st and 2nd round picks on defenses that are good against weak teams and fold against top talent.

[H2o]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

He goes to town here, and he ain’t wrong: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-tries-do-too-much-vs-cincinnati-bengals?ls=pftvod

This is absolutely legit. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is on Josh. Throw in a ligament tear in an elbow, that he played through without complaining, and here you have it.  

[Toyo321]

The problem with Buffalo, is for the longest time they had no competent offensive management or good draft personnel or expertise to get better.  They still don't.

 

1) Bad coaches before 2017   <=  McD is not the coach to take us to a SB,  his past and recent results are not doing anything to exempt him from being replaced at this point.  He is officially in the hot seat now for 2023-2024.  He is a defensive guy and always will be.  It's his D scheme that got lit up yesterday, and Frazier is just his puppet.  We need a offensive coach with real defensive coordinator.

 

2) What talent have the Bills drafted that are top 100 IMPACT offensive players except for Allen,  since 2014 that are still with this team.  No one.  Whaley brought in some impact players but they are all gone now so I will exclude them.  Beane changed everything and went soft and speedy, instead of tough and in your face and fast.  No one they have drafted can be called a impact player accept for Allen.

 

Personally Milano should have never gotten a contract extension.  Edmunds is gone after this year because of the cap problems caused with Von and Josh's contracts. 

Tre White had two good years and he is a fraction of what he once was since his ACL injury.  He is no longer a impact player like he once was.  He is now a liability back there holding on almost every single play.

 

Our offensive line is worse that swiss cheese.  The draft mentality of taking questionable offensive line talent in the draft for the last ten years is coming back to haunt this team, our O-line is the walking dead of the top 5 AFC teams.   We have no true #2 starting receiver.  Our running backs are a result of a bad O-Line so they will get a pass but Motor needs to go.  To inconsistent and not worth any money to keep him.  Cook will have to be his replacement.  We can draft another RB#2.

 

Dawkins, Brown and Doyle are not Elite by any means.  Ford thank god was traded.

 

The defensive line is another epic fail.  Not one game changer drafted that are even in the top NFL 150 players.

 

Oliver, Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa, Lawson are also not even close to elite talent.  It showed yesterday too.  They could not even get a whiff of Burrow yesterday.

 

Against good Offensive lines our front D-Line is absolute garbage.

 

Von was 1 guy, and just 1 guy is not going to get us to a SB,  OBD better be listening to all the feedback from all the NFL experts today.  They are right.

 

Case in point JA17 is one guy and we are not even close to competing with Cinci or KC at this point with this roster. 

 

Josh had also taken a huge step backwards this year and it can be seen on the field too.  He is nervous with his throws,  they are low,  behind, off target,   or over thrown.  And last but not least, Interceptions.   He does makes some great throws,  but 50% of the time his throws are not ideal or in the right place for a receiver to catch it and get YAC yards.

 

Burrow did not have those issues yesterday.  Say what you want, Josh is not better than Burrow or Mahomes.

 

One player does not make this team an elite SB level team.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Toyo321

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

The problem with Buffalo, is for the longest time they had no competent offensive management or good draft personnel or expertise to get better.  They still don't.

 

1) Bad coaches before 2017   <=  McD is not the coach to take us to a SB,  his past and recent results are not doing anything to exempt him from being replaced at this point.  He is officially in the hot seat now for 2023-2024.  He is a defensive guy and always will be.  It's his D scheme that got lit up yesterday, and Frazier is just his puppet.  We need a offensive coach with real defensive coordinator.

 

2) What talent have the Bills drafted that are top 100 IMPACT offensive players except for Allen,  since 2014 that are still with this team.  No one.  Whaley brought in some impact players but they are all gone now so I will exclude them.  Beane changed everything and went soft and speedy, instead of tough and in your face and fast.  No one they have drafted can be called a impact player accept for Allen.

 

Personally Milano should have never gotten a contract extension.  Edmunds is gone after this year because of the cap problems caused with Von and Josh's contracts. 

Tre White had two good years and he is a fraction of what he once was since his ACL injury.  He is no longer a impact player like he once was.  He is now a liability back there holding on almost every single play.

 

Our offensive line is worse that swiss cheese.  The draft mentality of taking questionable offensive line talent in the draft for the last ten years is coming back to haunt this team, our O-line is the walking dead of the AFC elite.   We have no true #2 starting receiver.  Our running backs are a result of a bad O-Line so they will get a pass but Motor needs to go.  To inconsistent and not worth any money to keep him.  Cook will have to be his replacement.  We can draft another RB#2.

 

Dawkins, Brown and Doyle are not Elite by any means.  Ford thank god was traded.

 

The defensive line is another epic fail.  Not one game changer drafted that are even in the top NFL 150 players.

 

Oliver, Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa, Lawson are also not even close to elite talent.  It showed yesterday too.  They could not even get a whiff of Burrow yesterday.

 

Against good Offensive lines our front D-Line is absolute garbage.

 

Von was 1 guy, and just 1 guy is not going to get us to a SB,  OBD better be listening to all the feedback from all the NFL experts today.  They are right.

 

Case in point JA17 is one guy and we are not even close to competing with Cinci or KC at this point with this roster. 

 

Josh had also taken an huge step backwards this year and its can be seen on the field.  He is nervous with his throws,  they are low,  behind, off target,   or over thrown.  He makes some great throws but 50% of the time his throws are not ideal or in the right place for a receiver to catch it and get YAC yards.

 

Burrow did not have those issues yesterday.  Say what you want, Josh is not better than Burrow or Mahomes.

 

One player does not make this team an elite SB level team.

 

 

Actually he did and both times the Bills were called for pass interference.  

 

Yesterday was a garbage game exacerbated by putrid coaching. 

 

There wasn't a single play call where you could say "Boy the coach made a great call there".

 

The team came out flat and when they needed a play or to make the right call they failed miserably.

 

Cincy punted 1X all game (they would have gone for it on 4th & 1 the other time). 

[bouds]

Sims is a fool in this video because he flat out pretends this team doesn't have any talent, the way he dismisses our safeties is hilarious.  I mean our two guys are near the top when healthy.  He's got a point that we need to add better OL, but he exaggerates things, gives perfect cover for his boy as well.  Lots of blame to go around, and I've certainly critiqued the drafting, but Sims just goes overboard.  Team wins 13 games with no talent, all on Josh....lol.

[Sestak4ever]

Sometimes it seems difficult to assess draft picks when coaching staffs don’t utilize them properly and don’t play to their strengths. All off season the talk was how good Cook was at catching passes and getting him isolated with a linebacker in coverage. I don’t think we ever used him in that capacity at all. Just seems like we are wasting his talents, which would also be a huge boost to Josh and work well against all the blitzes we saw. Hardly used Shakir while McKenzie was underperforming all season. These are just a couple examples, but makes me scratch my head.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

We do not have enough elite talent. I can't remember who asked me two weeks ago do I still subscribe to my "you need 4 or 5 elite guys to win a Superbowl" theory and I said then I did and I still do. 

 

We have two. We planned for 4. Next season we may have 3.

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, bouds said:

Sims is a fool in this video because he flat out pretends this team doesn't have any talent, the way he dismisses our safeties is hilarious.  I mean our two guys are near the top when healthy.  He's got a point that we need to add better OL, but he exaggerates things, gives perfect cover for his boy as well.  Lots of blame to go around, and I've certainly critiqued the drafting, but Sims just goes overboard.  Team wins 13 games with no talent, all on Josh....lol.

Hyde missed nearly the entire season and Poyer was a shell of himself by the end. 

[Marcus Aurelius]

5 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

I don't want to hear from ANY of them today... Chris Simms, Nick Wright, Bart Scott.... NONE OF THEM. I don't care how right they are... I'll get my assessments from somewhere other than their ASSessments.

I know where you are coming from.

It hurts too much  ... 

[97bills]

7 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

And our bad schemes helped us lose, 

All success Dorsey has had are directly the result of Josh winging it to make something happen, Dorsey is imo over rated, and yes, I was one on that wagon, I was wrong, he is two years or more away from possibly knowing his job. 

I think your right…. Any OC can get the backs involved in the passing game.  And it’s way more then that… we all watched the games. 

[Nextmanup]

I couldn't get the video to play; but it's at Youtube as well here:

 

 

[MasterStrategist]

8 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I feel like I just said "blahblah ginger blahblah" and you're missing the point I'm trying to make

 

Back to the Chris Simms thing:

Von Miller is an elite playmaker who can make game changing plays.  The Bills prioritized him because he's a player who can get sacks.  We lost him in November.

Oliver was drafted in 1st round to be an elite player.  He is, sometimes - and not others.  He was obviously playing hurt at the end of the season.  The big question the Bills need to answer is how often does that happen.

 

IMHO the Bills need to go after top talent on OL, not DL

No offense, but this dline got gashed by teams, even when Daquon played. 

 

Is he better than Settle, absolutely.  We are in desperate need of game-changers on thr front 4.  We have Von, but he's getting up there in age and coming off a torn acl.

 

Listen to Coach's end of season presser, and it's pretty clear they weren't pleased with the dline play in total (once Von went out).  

 

Oline will be priority #1, but dline is a close 2nd.  Ed is an above average player, not a difference maker.  Groot is the same.  Daquon is slightly above average.  It's too bad we've practically wasted premium picks on Boogie, AJ, and Cody Ford over the past few drafts.  

 

Need top tier talent upfront, that can be disruptive (not just occupy blocks).

 

Football is a simple game: top tier Qb play, strong oline, and a disruptive front 4 is almost a sure recipe for a deep playoff run.  New England, Steelers, and others have perfected this in years past.  We need to check those 2nd & 3rd boxes, before this team takes the next leap in the playoffs.

[Nextmanup]

8 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

He goes to town here, and he ain’t wrong: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-tries-do-too-much-vs-cincinnati-bengals?ls=pftvod

Just watched it; what I found most interesting is Florio basically saying that if this had not been such a crazy, emotionally trying year for the team, McDermott might well be gone after that performance yesterday.

 

You suggest things like that HERE and a lot of Bills fans talk of you being INSANE...

 

Nice to see a big name in the mainstream media getting this out there.  

 

They both agreed that lots of folks will be on the hot seat next year...

 

And I am wondering if we won't get a new coordinator out of this.

 

We have fallen way behind in the arms race regarding offensive playmaking stars in the AFC.

 

This team needs a fairly substantial remake this offseason. 

And it's a BAD year for free agency; not a lot of stuff out there.

 

 

[Beck Water]

16 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

No offense, but this dline got gashed by teams, even when Daquon played.

 

So tell me: which games, and who on the DL was playing?  Because I do think Daquon is a key player, but he isn't "the dline" either.

 

16 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Just watched it; what I found most interesting is Florio basically saying that if this had not been such a crazy, emotionally trying year for the team, McDermott might well be gone after that performance yesterday.

 

Please keep in mind that Florio is in the business of generating clicks, and says all kinds of things, many of which do not prove out over time.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Beck Water

[Nextmanup]

8 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Sounds like a Allen fan and not far off.  Regardless this team is/was on the cusp, however were completely outcoached and embarrassed yesterday.  Coaches got off easy in this video.  

Watch the video from Colin Cowherd.

 

He blasted the staff and McDermott for a good 3 minutes...

 

He points out several key flaws to the team and clearly states that is ALL on the head coach.

 

He's not wrong either.

 

 

[The Jokeman]

8 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Jones is good, but he is a complementary piece and not a difference maker. He is not Chris Jones or anything close, in other words.

Da'quan is not Chris but was our best Lineman after we loss Miller. 

[Nextmanup]

7 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Great video that succinctly defines the problem: lack of star players/difference-makers on both sides of the ball.

Of note: Florio suggests championship teams have a strong advantage with an offensive-minded head coach; Simms (who I think is smarter) says he hopes they don't fire McDermott. I'm leaning towards Florio's take on this given where the NFL is right now (and going to stay).

I think the Simms comment was just a generic "I'm not trying to make enemies in this profession" kind of thing.

 

Like he doesn't want to be known as the talking head calling for other's heads.

 

It's probably a smart approach.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, bouds said:

Sims is a fool in this video because he flat out pretends this team doesn't have any talent, the way he dismisses our safeties is hilarious.  I mean our two guys are near the top when healthy.  He's got a point that we need to add better OL, but he exaggerates things, gives perfect cover for his boy as well.  Lots of blame to go around, and I've certainly critiqued the drafting, but Sims just goes overboard.  Team wins 13 games with no talent, all on Josh....lol.

They aren't talking about "talent," they are talking about elite talent that makes you a potential SB champion.

 

Bills fans aren't used to competing at this level, but it's different at the top.

 

Just showing up in the playoffs is not good enough if you want to win it all.

 

 

[97bills]

5 hours ago, Sestak4ever said:

Sometimes it seems difficult to assess draft picks when coaching staffs don’t utilize them properly and don’t play to their strengths. All off season the talk was how good Cook was at catching passes and getting him isolated with a linebacker in coverage. I don’t think we ever used him in that capacity at all. Just seems like we are wasting his talents, which would also be a huge boost to Josh and work well against all the blitzes we saw. Hardly used Shakir while McKenzie was underperforming all season. These are just a couple examples, but makes me scratch my head.

This is what I was thinking all season long… we might really have some great players but this coaching staff can’t do nothing with them. And how shakir wasn’t on the field was mind boggling, our slot WR gave us nothing!!! It’s coaching…. I hate to say it , 

[Fan in Chicago]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Different analyst but same basic points. I can't disagree with anything he says here.

 

 

Cannot disagree with a word he said. 

To me, reading all his tweets was strangely cathartic in a way nothing has been since yesterday. 

38 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Please keep in mind that Florio is in the business of generating clicks, and says all kinds of things, many of which do not prove out over time.

In that series of tweets, it is tough to disagree with anything he said. He also sounded genuinely interested in the Bill's fixing things before next season. 

[MasterStrategist]

54 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

So tell me: which games, and who on the DL was playing?  Because I do think Daquon is a key player, but he isn't "the dline" either.

 

 

Please keep in mind that Florio is in the business of generating clicks, and says all kinds of things, many of which do not prove out over time.

"Gashed" is probably not the best term.  Maybe inconsistent and just overall meh.

 

Jones has his role, understandably.  The main issue I have isn't Daquon, but the overall lack of disruption/physicality this dline brings to the table.  

 

We did however get gashed in the run game against Packers, Jets (game 1), Vikings, Dolphins (game 2), and Pats (game 2) to an extent.

 

Daquon is just a complimentary piece, as you mention. 

 

This might be hitting on a different topic than what you're discussing, but my point is we've invested a lot into this dline for a very average return.  

 

We lack identity on both sides of the ball.  We were just too inconsistent throughout the season.

 

Unless our offense is totally dominant, our dline needs to be more of a problem for offenses to account for...as opposed to lacking.  Same issue the past 2 seasons.