Updated Beasley signing to practice squad

[plenzmd1]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

How does the call up system work with regards to the cap ? Anyone out there know this ? If say Beasley is called up, does he then get paid veteran minimum for that game as opposed to his PS salary ? Just curious how this works. 

sal said today they do get the vet minimum 1/18th check for that week, so i assume that goes against the cap

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Anyone see him play w/ TB this year and have input on how his quickness looked? 

[plenzmd1]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Career Receptions:

 

1st down - 184

2nd down - 196

3rd down - 174

 

Majority of 1st down catches were on 1st and 10.

Majority of 2nd down catches were on 2nd at 10+.

Majority of 3rd down catches were on 3rd and 4-6.

 

Source:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeasCo00/splits/

 

 

 

 

Pretty damn even split..thanks brother!

[JimmyNoodles]

I was a fan when he got here. Glad when he left. Glad he’s saying the right things and so I’m glad he’s back. Go Bills!

[Beck Water]

33 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

I’m fine with 6 yards per catch. That at least moves the chains. 

 

I mean, it depends upon what down and distance we're in?  If we're 3rd and 16, no, it doesn't.

 

Beasley looks slow to me in those film clips - even slower than last season.  His cuts though 😍 and his quick feet 😍 -  he still looks "surgical there.

 

29 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I wonder if some the stat heads here can get a split of Beasley receptions by down. My gut, and its only a gut, is he catches a lot more balls on 1st and 2nd more so than 3rd. As Orlovsky said earlier this week, that's really where the Bills are struggling..1st down efficiency. And that turns into a "3rd and Hope" situation...just hoping Josh can make a play. 

 

I really think we will see his impact there more than 3rd downs, but hopefully we see an impact somewhere, anywhere LOL!!!!

 

Ask and you shall receive.

 

Here are Beasley's splits from 2021 by down and Yards to go:

Overall catch % 73.2%, 6.2 y/tgt (per target, not per reception).  You can see the Bills got the most mileage targeting Beasley on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 4-9: over 80% catch.  1st downs on 1 out of 3 receptions on 1st and 10.

 

But Just a Minute!  As far as "what we've had", I'll bite the snake and bring in the same for McKenzie this year:

Overall catch % 69.1%, 6.9 y/tgt (not: per target, not per reception).  You can see that when the Bills targeted McK on 1st down, they also got great mileage - again, Over 80% catch on 1st and 10, 2nd and 4-6, but also on 2nd and 10+, and 3rd 1-6.

1st downs on 1 out of 3 receptions on 1st and 10, 4 out of 5 targets on 3rd and 1-3, 6 out of 1 targets on 3rd and 4-6.

 

That's pretty dang close to Beasley, honestly: catch % of 83.3% vs 86.5%, and 1st down on 1 out of 3 receptions.

The main difference is the number of targets being less than half what Beasley got.

 

Just for fun, let's do Dawson Knox as well:

Overall catch % 74.0%, 7.4 y/tgt (again, per target, not per reception).  75% catch % on 1st and 10, and 1D on 1 out of 3 targets.  HUH.

 

I'm sure this will be well received and the intelligent erudite posters here will consider it and modify their views accordingly. 

(No I don't.  I kid, I kid).

 

I'm glad to see Beasley back, and if Josh trusts him and targets him when he's on the field and it takes some pressure off Gabe and Diggs and gets the Bills offense humming along again, I'm All For It.

 

But longer term, Josh may need to develop a bit different "field vision" or work on developing a better rappore with receivers younger than 33 not named Cole Beasley, because these guys have been open more than they're targeted (to my eyes), and when they're targeted they've been catching the ball at a pretty  good rate as best as one can tell from low numbers.

Edited December 14, 2022 by Beck Water

[Fleezoid]

26 minutes ago, JimmyNoodles said:

I was a fan when he got here. Glad when he left. Glad he’s saying the right things and so I’m glad he’s back. Go Bills!

 

Is there a such thing as a "Stepford Fan?"

[Dr. Who]

24 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, it depends upon what down and distance we're in?  If we're 3rd and 16, no, it doesn't.

 

Beasley looks slow to me in those film clips - even slower than last season.  His cuts though 😍 and his quick feet 😍 -  he still looks "surgical there.

 

 

Ask and you shall receive.

 

Here are Beasley's splits from 2021 by down and Yards to go:

Overall catch % 73.2%, 6.2 y/tgt (per target, not per reception).  You can see the Bills got the most mileage targeting Beasley on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 4-9: over 80% catch.  1st downs on 1 out of 3 receptions on 1st and 10.

 

But Just a Minute!  As far as "what we've had", I'll bite the snake and bring in the same for McKenzie this year:

Overall catch % 69.1%, 6.9 y/tgt (not: per target, not per reception).  You can see that when the Bills targeted McK on 1st down, they also got great mileage - again, Over 80% catch on 1st and 10, 2nd and 4-6, but also on 2nd and 10+, and 3rd 1-6.

1st downs on 1 out of 3 receptions on 1st and 10, 4 out of 5 targets on 3rd and 1-3, 6 out of 1 targets on 3rd and 4-6.

 

That's pretty dang close to Beasley, honestly: catch % of 83.3% vs 86.5%, and 1st down on 1 out of 3 receptions.

The main difference is the number of targets being less than half what Beasley got.

 

Just for fun, let's do Dawson Knox as well:

Overall catch % 74.0%, 7.4 y/tgt (again, per target, not per reception).  75% catch % on 1st and 10, and 1D on 1 out of 3 targets.  HUH.

 

I'm sure this will be well received and the intelligent erudite posters here will consider it and modify their views accordingly. 

(No I don't.  I kid, I kid).

 

I'm glad to see Beasley back, and if Josh trusts him and targets him when he's on the field and it takes some pressure off Gabe and Diggs and gets the Bills offense humming along again, I'm All For It.

 

But longer term, Josh may need to develop a bit different "field vision" or work on developing a better rappore with receivers younger than 33 not named Cole Beasley, because these guys have been open more than they're targeted (to my eyes), and when they're targeted they've been catching the ball at a pretty  good rate as best as one can tell from low numbers.

In my non-analytical been watching football for over 50 yrs intuitive sense of things, it seems to me that Josh improved his game immensely when he was taking what was available and foregoing making hero ball the first and last option. For whatever reason, he seems to be ignoring the easy yards. If he took those, the whole offense would be much harder to stop and it would eventually open up more splash plays. Josh is smart enough to know this, but he ain't following through. Don't know if that is a trust issue with the receivers or not.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said:

I’m fine with 6 yards per catch. That at least moves the chains. 

Especially on 3rd and 5!

 

6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

In my non-analytical been watching football for over 50 yrs intuitive sense of things, it seems to me that Josh improved his game immensely when he was taking what was available and foregoing making hero ball the first and last option. For whatever reason, he seems to be ignoring the easy yards. If he took those, the whole offense would be much harder to stop and it would eventually open up more splash plays. Josh is smart enough to know this, but he ain't following through. Don't know if that is a trust issue with the receivers or not.

Remember the throw to Cook against Detroit that almost resulted in Allen's worst interception of the year?  I suspect that screw-ups by the receivers in the middle of the field has been occurring more then we realize and is on clear display in the film room.

 

 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

In my non-analytical been watching football for over 50 yrs intuitive sense of things, it seems to me that Josh improved his game immensely when he was taking what was available and foregoing making hero ball the first and last option. For whatever reason, he seems to be ignoring the easy yards. If he took those, the whole offense would be much harder to stop and it would eventually open up more splash plays. Josh is smart enough to know this, but he ain't following through. Don't know if that is a trust issue with the receivers or not.

 

In my numbers geek, focused on analytics, been watching football for over 50 years sense of things, I agree with you.

 

I believe all these guys would say the right stuff about winning is what matters, blah blah but I kind of have the sense that Josh set out the year with some personal goals - show he's one of the top passers in the league, make Diggs one of the top WR in the league, help Gabe Davis earn a big contract. 

 

Not a definitive source, but in Ty Dunne's show, Isaiah McKenzie said he understands that Diggs has to get the ball first and then Gabe has to get the ball.  He didn't, to me, say this in any kind of a critical way, just 'that's how it is'.  But I'll be critical, and say, that's really not an effective way to play against a quality defense if that's in fact been part of Josh's mindset.  It really needs to be "take what the defense gives you, don't force it".

 

Because you're right, when the defense realizes it's being dealt "death by 1000 cuts" and it had better change and stop them, either you're already in the endzone and winning the game OR they adapt and move to stop those cuts and then the splash plays become what the defense gives you.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

I wonder if some the stat heads here can get a split of Beasley receptions by down. My gut, and its only a gut, is he catches a lot more balls on 1st and 2nd more so than 3rd. As Orlovsky said earlier this week, that's really where the Bills are struggling..1st down efficiency. And that turns into a "3rd and Hope" situation...just hoping Josh can make a play.

Correct.  Second and 4 beats second & 10 every time.

 

 

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Especially on 3rd and 5!

 

Remember the throw to Cook against Detroit that almost resulted in Allen's worst interception of the year?  I suspect that screw-ups by the receivers in the middle of the field has been occurring more then we realize and is on clear display in the film room.

 

For some, yes - and not necessarily who you'd think.  But there have also been receivers open.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

For some, yes - and not necessarily who you'd think.  But there have also been receivers open.

There are always receivers open.  A QB can not be expected to always see them.  And if a receiver sometimes runs the wrong route or doesn't finish it off correctly or drops the ball a QB may be less likely to look there way to see when they're open.

 

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

There are always receivers open.  A QB can not be expected to always see them.  And if a receiver sometimes runs the wrong route or doesn't finish it off correctly or drops the ball a QB may be less likely to look there way to see when they're open.

 

Then I'm gonna say this, meaning it in the nicest most constructive way....in that instance, maybe a QB needs to "get over himself" and change how he looks at the field.

 

[finn]

1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Anyone see him play w/ TB this year and have input on how his quickness looked? 

Buffalo Rumblings has a nice video breakdown of all of Beasley's catches in TB. Upshot: not very impressive, but at least he catches the ball. 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/12/14/23505398/bills-news-cole-beasley-signed-jets-game-recap-dolphins-week-15-preview

[zow2]

All they need him for is a big 3rd down conversion catch or two. Not expecting last years Beasley. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I love you Josh allen

[TampaBillsJunkie]

1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Anyone see him play w/ TB this year and have input on how his quickness looked? 

He just wasn't in sync with Brady. Brady takes a lot of time to trust guys and they just did not put in the time.  Plus the guys ahead of him on the depth chart, Evans, Godwin, Gage, Jones and Miller all had more time with Brady and were mostly back from injuries by the time Cole got in. He was a temp fix in case the other guys couldn't come back.

Plus,quickness was never Cole's game. He finds the seams and works to get open and he's got solid hands. He will make plays for us when it counts.  I'd say we will see 90-95% of the 2020/2021 Beas.

[jethro_tull]

Bills catch% leaders:  2022

 

2021:

 

 

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Underrated signing. Could be a key piece for a Super Bowl run especially with fresh legs. Don’t care about the drama. I love the way Beasley plays and feel like he & Allen have great Chemistry especially on 3rd down where we have been having the most trouble. This team needs a sure-handed guy that can hold onto the ball and knows his assignment. Shakir may be the future, but CB is right now. Let’s go 

[Livinginthepast]

6 hours ago, billieve420 said:

Feelings aside for me it is simple these are no risk moves. If either Brown or Beasley can contribute put them on the field. Both have familiarity with the QB and if it doesn't work out can move on easily. Come playoffs it is going to be all hands on deck. I like Brown's ability to stretch the field and Beasley in the slot over Mckenzie in critical situations. Brown almost had that bomb last week against the Jets where ball was slightly underthrown. Sauce made a great play to break it up last minute.

 

 

Seeing it again, Josh underthrew that. I wanted to blame Brown a bit for letting the pass get broken up but it was underthrown .