Speaker Pelosi's Home Has Been Attacked

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

46 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I don't know why anyone thinks we (the public) have a right to watch crimes like this or the kid who was beaten to death in Memphis.  It's ghoulish and repulsive.  It is likely to inspire some other waste of protoplasm to do similar.  I wish I could unsee it.

 

btw, pelosi has about a 1 in 4 chance of dementia just based on his age:  

Age. Age is the greatest of these three risk factors. As noted in the Prevalence section, the percentage of people with Alzheimer's dementia increases dramatically with age: 3% of people age 65-74, 17% of people age 75-84 and 32% of people age 85 or older have Alzheimer's dementia.Mar 10, 2020

 

2020 Alzheimer's disease facts and figures

Those are fair points on the ghoulish nature of the video, but that’s secondary to my point about this particular video:

 

If the standard is to release, follow the standard and release.  
 

If the standard is to withhold, withhold.  
 

Making the $&@& up as they go would be grossly unfair to those who had their video(s) released, and gives the appearance that the pain of some folks is worth more than others.  

Btw, at the risk of sounding insensitive, I would bet comments made by Nancy Pelosi on issues involving release of body cameras in political motivated situations (namely involving police officers) would trend toward “release the tapes the people have a right to see them!” .  Just a hunch. 
 

 

[ChiGoose]

Here’s a good summary of what was made public with links to the videos and audio recordings:

 

Pelosi Attack Live Updates: Body Camera Footage of Hammer Assault Released

 

Everything is consistent with a crazy guy breaking into the house and an elderly man trying to avoid angering him while trying to get help.

 

The simplest explanation, supported by the facts. 
 

While there are some questions that may remain (what’s with the glass of water), they likely have pretty banal expectations (maybe Pelosi was trying to keep the guy calm and poured a couple of glasses of water while waiting for police).

 

Of course, this won’t convince the crazies, but nothing ever will. 

Edited January 27, 2023 by ChiGoose

[BillStime]

31 pages in and the cult is obsessed with their narrative.

 

What a sad life these people live.

 

What happened was horrific and these freaks are obsessed about a drink.

 

Can you imagine if this happened to Trump?

 

 

[Wacka]

It wouldn't since Trump doesn't drink and  has security

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, Wacka said:

It wouldn't since Trump doesn't drink and  has security

How did that Chinese National get into Pedo Lago?

[Wacka]

Since Mrs-a-Lago is also a public place  and resort (albeit a very pricey one), she walked into the public entrance with fake ID and was caught at the front desk. She didn't try to bang-bang like Feng-Feng did with Swaliwell (sp?).

[L Ron Burgundy]

Of course the conspiracy freaks are still making shite up, its what their entire lives are based on.  I was a bit suspicious at first but when these videos came out its all clear now.  The guy was after Nancy and once the cops showed up he tried to take out the husband.   

[ChiGoose]

33 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Of course the conspiracy freaks are still making shite up, its what their entire lives are based on.  I was a bit suspicious at first but when these videos came out its all clear now.  The guy was after Nancy and once the cops showed up he tried to take out the husband.   

For some reason, we expect people to act in specific or rational ways in all situations, especially intense or dangerous ones.

 

It may, at first, seem like Pelosi should have fought DePape when he came in. Or tried to lock himself in another room.

 

But he’s an elderly man and DePape had already found a way into his house. It’s likely that Pelosi’s goal was to just keep the situation from escalating until the cops arrived. 
 

Listening to the 911 call, you can hear Pelosi trying to walk the line between telling the operator to send someone and not angering DePape. The operator even tries to hang up a few times before Pelosi convinces her to stay on. 
 

In that situation, simply saying to DePape, “let’s sit down and chat until my wife gets home” while really waiting on the police seems like a smart thing to do. 

Edited January 28, 2023 by ChiGoose

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Of course the conspiracy freaks are still making shite up, its what their entire lives are based on.  I was a bit suspicious at first but when these videos came out its all clear now.  The guy was after Nancy and once the cops showed up he tried to take out the husband.   

See, there you go, L’Ron.  You were a bit suspicious, but the videos cleared it up.
I wasn’t suspicious per se, but it was a strange fact pattern and questions naturally follow.  
 

On the other hand, we had lots of folks buying the notion of a James Bond type ex-MI6 and Russian hookers urinating on beds, two assailants tying shoe laces around Jussie Smollette’s neck and stealing his Taco Bell, and so so many more.  
 

 

 

[BillStime]

Yup

 

 

14 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

See, there you go, L’Ron.  You were a bit suspicious, but the videos cleared it up.
I wasn’t suspicious per se, but it was a strange fact pattern and questions naturally follow.  
 

On the other hand, we had lots of folks buying the notion of a James Bond type ex-MI6 and Russian hookers urinating on beds, two assailants tying shoe laces around Jussie Smollette’s neck and stealing his Taco Bell, and so so many more.  
 

 

 

And the pretzel is now complete.

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

To jump to a sexual or some other sordid explanation for this says way more about the fantasies of the accusers than that of anyone else.  Strange f'ed up people...perhaps looking to make their lives seem normal in contrast.  Epic failure.

[Doc]

28 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

To jump to a sexual or some other sordid explanation for this says way more about the fantasies of the accusers than that of anyone else.  Strange f'ed up people...perhaps looking to make their lives seem normal in contrast.  Epic failure.

 

The "pee tape" says hi...

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The "pee tape" says hi...

Yup. Something else that was salacious that people wanted to believe despite the lack of evidence. Feelings over facts 

[Buffarukus]

6 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/video/paul-pelosi-attack-security-camera-video-shows-break-in-by-david-depape/
 

Looks like they released the video of DePape breaking into the house from the outside. 
 

I’m assuming what really happened is that they were in a secret sexual relationship, got in a fight, and then DePape went outside, and decided to break back in because he realized that Pelosi had his glass of water. 
 

Am I doing this right?

 

funny how you guys are laughing up the conspiratorials but the first one was this is a evil far right trumper with the media as your becon. then facts came out about who this guy really was and only because they were withheld so long and silenced did others start. most of them true. underwear/ drinking/ allowed to call police.

 

yeah no conclusions on all that but it looks to me it was just a nutjob. 

 

this is what happens when EVERYTHING is political and both sides jump on the first info out.

 

your doing it right and will get alot more practice cause this is how it goes for everything.

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Buffarukus

[ChiGoose]

53 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

funny how you guys are laughing up the conspiratorials but the first one was this is a evil far right trumper with the media as your becon. then facts came out about who this guy really was and only because they were withheld so long and silenced did others start. most of them true. underwear/ drinking/ allowed to call police.

 

yeah no conclusions on all that but it looks to me it was just a nutjob. 

 

this is what happens when EVERYTHING is political and both sides jump on the first info out.

 

your doing it right and will get alot more practice cause this is how it goes for everything.

 

When have I ever said that DePape was a Trumper?

 

I said he was a crazy person. 
 

I have said from the very start that the most likely explanation is that he was a crazy person who broke into the house to get to Nancy Pelosi. The facts supported that at the time, and the new evidence shows that to be clearly the case. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

11 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

When have I ever said that DePape was a Trumper?

 

I said he was a crazy person. 
 

I have said from the very start that the most likely explanation is that he was a crazy person who broke into the house to get to Nancy Pelosi. The facts supported that at the time, and the new evidence shows that to be clearly the case. 

strange that crazy people don't identify with crazy people.  strange but true.

[Buffarukus]

43 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

When have I ever said that DePape was a Trumper?

 

I said he was a crazy person. 
 

I have said from the very start that the most likely explanation is that he was a crazy person who broke into the house to get to Nancy Pelosi. The facts supported that at the time, and the new evidence shows that to be clearly the case. 

 

im talking generally. the same way you seem to want to suggest people said he was let in. which given the available info isnt even a stretch at all. that video was available very early and could have ended any talk of him being let in like the hundreds of other narratives that people have no choice but fill in the blanks when reporters manipulate, knowingly lie and hide info to the public.

 

GENERALLY the media jumped on the narrative until they couldn't anymore. "it was a evil trumper" and leftists were happy to go along with that FIRST. like cops getting beaten with fire extinguishers when a head wound is the easiest thing in the world to know. therapeutics aka vaccines stop transmission while areas with high vax% had the same numbers.... FOR YEARS. blurt out the president pees on hookers in russia. covid death tickers suddenly disapearing when a new administration takes over hmmm. on and on and on and on. hell youll look the other way on innocents being murdered based on them. shall i say examples?

 

im simply pointing out a side that is lead by the medias leash countless times should have nothing to say about conspiracies like they are above it or something. 

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Buffarukus

[ChiGoose]

10 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

im talking generally. the same way you seem to want to suggest people said he was let in. which given the available info isnt even a stretch at all. that video was available very early and could have ended any talk of him being let in like the hundreds of other narratives that people have no choice but fill in the blanks when reporters manipulate, knowingly lie and hide info to the public.

 

GENERALLY the media jumped on the narrative until they couldn't anymore. "it was a evil trumper" and leftists were happy to go along with that FIRST. like cops getting beaten with fire extinguishers when a head wound is the easiest thing in the world to know. therapeutics aka vaccines stop transmission while areas with high vax% had the same numbers. blurt out the president pees on hookers in russia. covid death tickers suddenly disapearing when a new administration takes over hmmm. on and on and on and on. hell youll look the other way on innocents being murdered based on them. shall i say examples?

 

im simply pointing out a side that is lead by the medias leash countless times should have nothing to say about conspiracies like they are above it or something. 

 

Well, if you want to talk media criticism, I’m sure we will find a lot to agree on. 
 

But when you quote my post and say “you” a lot while saying things I’ve never said, I’m going to call you out. I try to choose my words carefully and do not appreciate people insinuating that I said things I never said. 

[Buffarukus]

36 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Well, if you want to talk media criticism, I’m sure we will find a lot to agree on. 
 

But when you quote my post and say “you” a lot while saying things I’ve never said, I’m going to call you out. I try to choose my words carefully and do not appreciate people insinuating that I said things I never said. 

 

its a political message board so getting shoveled into a box of "your side" kinda comes with the territory. don't be so sensitive and see the overall point I'm making. theres a difference between a manufactured conspiracy and one that people come up with when that same media machine acts suspiciously interested in silencing ONLY when the political winds change directions. i think those you were mocking were doing something completely normal. filling the blanks with some sort of corruption/ fetish/ illegal activity. that is routinely the case when a story reveals it about the powerful and the media realizes it may be telling on the wrong type of person. rich and powerful. otherwise why not just tell it immediately with proof. plenty of ways, plenty of cameras they show immediatly when the poors are involved. yet here we are months later finally getting it? so what was the repoter suspended for? why did they delete the story that seemed to have nothing but facts in it? he was in his underwear he didn't he run towards police saftey. ect ect. hmmm. i guess ill develop a "conspiracy" on these things because i don't think they will come out and say it.

 

unless that is..im doing it wrong? 😁

 

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Buffarukus

[ChiGoose]

18 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

its a political message board so getting shoveled into a box of "your side" kinda comes with the territory. don't be so sensitive and see the overall point I'm making. theres a difference between a manufactured conspiracy and one that people come up with when that same media machine acts suspiciously interested in silencing ONLY when the political winds change directions. i think those you were mocking were doing something completely normal. filling the blanks with some sort of corruption/ fetish/ illegal activity. that is routinely the case when a story reveals it about the powerful and the media realizes it.......on one side of the isle. otherwise why not just tell it immediately with proof. plenty of ways, yet here we are months later finally getting it? hmmm

 

 

Shoveling people into sides is one of the biggest problems with this country. Sorting into “us vs. them” is terrible and harms all of us. 
 

And if what “people were doing” was normal, then we are screwed as a country. Instead of letting the facts drive the conclusion, they were having the conclusion drive the facts. 
 

The facts were pretty clear from the jump. Literally from the very beginning I was able to identify what the most likely outcome was by just looking at the official filings. But that apparently makes me a partisan hack. And now the evidence supports my original conclusion. This stuff isn’t hard if you actually want to know the truth. But so many people don’t.
 

It’s not skepticism or critical thinking. It’s just feelings over facts. 

[Buffarukus]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

Shoveling people into sides is one of the biggest problems with this country. Sorting into “us vs. them” is terrible and harms all of us. 
 

And if what “people were doing” was normal, then we are screwed as a country. Instead of letting the facts drive the conclusion, they were having the conclusion drive the facts. 
 

The facts were pretty clear from the jump. Literally from the very beginning I was able to identify what the most likely outcome was by just looking at the official filings. But that apparently makes me a partisan hack. And now the evidence supports my original conclusion. This stuff isn’t hard if you actually want to know the truth. But so many people don’t.
 

It’s not skepticism or critical thinking. It’s just feelings over facts. 

 

you say let facts drive those conclusions but the REAL problem with this country are "facts" no longer exist from a non partisan consistent source. are doctors giving facts? cdc? i see alot of "those close to the situation" "experts say". many ways to make audience believe utter garbage with zero REAL sources or proof. which news organizations do you think are always giving you unbiased straight forward facts? there is no clear answer to me so if you have one id love to hear.

 

i think people such as yourself may also consider a conglomerate as the truth. if many are saying the same thing it must be the truth. the minority are the quacks but covid shows clearly, if anything could be pulled from the mess that this isnt nec true either.

 

all ill say is that info on this story was suspiciously vague. reporters reprimanded for simply saying what happened on the info he gave? stories deleted? one could easily see that as a cover up. im glad you found a reputable source that laid out all the info you needed. i would like to check this source to see what their "facts" were on other subjects that have NOW morphed into a completely different set. please share. maybe we all can get on the same page by these trusted sources you use that always gives proof and facts so immediatly. its what journalism was supposed to be so I'm genuinely interested.

[ChiGoose]

11 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

you say let facts drive those conclusions but the REAL problem with this country are "facts" no longer exist from a non partisan consistent source. are doctors giving facts? cdc? i see alot of "those close to the situation" "experts say". many ways to make audience believe utter garbage with zero REAL sources or proof. which news organizations do you think are always giving you unbiased straight forward facts? there is no clear answer to me so if you have one id love to hear.

 

i think people such as yourself may also consider a conglomerate as the truth. if many are saying the same thing it must be the truth. the minority are the quacks but covid shows clearly, if anything could be pulled from the mess that this isnt nec true either.

 

all ill say is that info on this story was suspiciously vague. reporters reprimanded for simply saying what happened on the info he gave? stories deleted? one could easily see that as a cover up. im glad you found a reputable source that laid out all the info you needed. i would like to check this source to see what their "facts" were on other subjects that have NOW morphed into a completely different set. please share. maybe we all can get on the same page by these trusted sources you use that always gives proof and facts so immediatly. its what journalism was supposed to be so I'm genuinely interested.

In the case of a crime, when charges are filed they are often done so with sworn statements. While people can always lie, there is little penalty for lying on TV while there are hefty penalties for lying to law enforcement. It doesn’t mean people don’t lie to cops, but they are less likely to do so than to lie to a journalist. 
 

So in cases such as these, I find it incredibly helpful to ignore the talking heads / media, and just go straight to the filings. 
 

That’s what I did here and it’s what I did with the Sussman case. Both times, the outcome was very clear from the start despite the terrible media coverage. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

21 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

you say let facts drive those conclusions but the REAL problem with this country are "facts" no longer exist from a non partisan consistent source. are doctors giving facts? cdc? i see alot of "those close to the situation" "experts say". many ways to make audience believe utter garbage with zero REAL sources or proof. which news organizations do you think are always giving you unbiased straight forward facts? there is no clear answer to me so if you have one id love to hear.

 

i think people such as yourself may also consider a conglomerate as the truth. if many are saying the same thing it must be the truth. the minority are the quacks but covid shows clearly, if anything could be pulled from the mess that this isnt nec true either.

 

all ill say is that info on this story was suspiciously vague. reporters reprimanded for simply saying what happened on the info he gave? stories deleted? one could easily see that as a cover up. im glad you found a reputable source that laid out all the info you needed. i would like to check this source to see what their "facts" were on other subjects that have NOW morphed into a completely different set. please share. maybe we all can get on the same page by these trusted sources you use that always gives proof and facts so immediatly. its what journalism was supposed to be so I'm genuinely interested.

truth has become subjective, as you say.  That's purposeful.  When you see easy solutions to difficult problems you can be fairly certain that is not the truth.  There's a great deal of that, these days.  It's called populism.  And it's a cancer.  I try to read international news as well as national news on both sides, keeping in mind motivation.  Most often it's money.  Re covid, science is not static.  It's dynamic and that must be kept in mind at all times.  The question then becomes "are those providing the science truly after knowledge or something else".  It's usually not difficult to discern.

[Doc]

10 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Yup. Something else that was salacious that people wanted to believe despite the lack of evidence. Feelings over facts 

 

So you/most Dems never for one second believed it existed or that it was a legitimate piece of kompromat that would make Trump collude with Russia?

[ChiGoose]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So you/most Dems never for one second believed it existed or that it was a legitimate piece of kompromat that would make Trump collude with Russia?

I can only speak for myself, but the Steele Dossier was a piece of raw intelligence gathering. It’s basically just collecting all the rumors you can about someone. The next step would be to verify if those rumors were true, but that didn’t happen.
 

Steele was wrong to leak it because the public was just going to latch on to the salacious details without taking a step back and recognizing the report for what it was. 
 

As someone who thought (and still thinks) that Trump sucks, I certainly wanted the report to be true and I kept waiting for other outlets to verify the stories but they never could.
 

That’s why the Mueller report dismissed most of the dossier and why the Clinton campaign didn’t use it: nothing in it could be proven to be true. Steele got ahead of himself by leaking it (I believe to John McCain) instead of verifying it first. 

[Buffarukus]

18 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I can only speak for myself, but the Steele Dossier was a piece of raw intelligence gathering. It’s basically just collecting all the rumors you can about someone. The next step would be to verify if those rumors were true, but that didn’t happen.
 

Steele was wrong to leak it because the public was just going to latch on to the salacious details without taking a step back and recognizing the report for what it was. 
 

As someone who thought (and still thinks) that Trump sucks, I certainly wanted the report to be true and I kept waiting for other outlets to verify the stories but they never could.
 

That’s why the Mueller report dismissed most of the dossier and why the Clinton campaign didn’t use it: nothing in it could be proven to be true. Steele got ahead of himself by leaking it (I believe to John McCain) instead of verifying it first. 

 

you talk about this very reasonably but in the twitter file thread also seem to state gov involvement in the decemination of information is a good thing. so dep on who is in power and their intent something like trumps collusion with russia can be amplified or suppressed under the guise of "public saftey" ect ect. so its contradictory to want facts presented as they stand on their merit and to also hand wave gov or any other entity with power to promote or destroy a company to have any outside influence of information. this goes for corporations giving ad money ect ect. if there is influence on info. all of it should be called out and fought against. 

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Buffarukus

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

you talk about this very reasonably but in the twitter file thread also seem to state gov involvement in the decemination of information is a good thing. so dep on who is in power and their intent something like trumps collusion with russia can be amplified or suppressed under the guise of "public saftey" ect ect. so its contradictory to want facts presented as they stand on their merit and to also hand wave gov or any other entity with power to promote or destroy a company to have any outside influence of information. this goes for corporations giving ad money ect ect. if there is influence on info. all of it should be called out and fought against. 

 

You’re misconstruing my point from that thread. 
 

What I was trying to get across is that the FBI flagging posts that potentially violate Twitter’s TOS is not censorship or coercion because Twitter ultimately decides what to do with the flagged posts. We also know that Twitter knew it could push back on these requests because not only were they staffed with many ex-FBI employees who would know that the FBI can’t force them to act, but they also rejected most of the requests.

 

Most of the time, the requests went as follows:

FBI: Hey, you should check out this post

Twitter: Sure!

Twitter: After review, we are declining to take action. 

[Buffarukus]

9 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

truth has become subjective, as you say.  That's purposeful.  When you see easy solutions to difficult problems you can be fairly certain that is not the truth.  There's a great deal of that, these days.  It's called populism.  And it's a cancer.  I try to read international news as well as national news on both sides, keeping in mind motivation.  Most often it's money.  Re covid, science is not static.  It's dynamic and that must be kept in mind at all times.  The question then becomes "are those providing the science truly after knowledge or something else".  It's usually not difficult to discern.

 

good methods here. i certainly try but its still very hard. in alot of ways i think we are doomed on this front. there are many stories out where clear proof is out and yet still people believe lies. rep still think elections were stolen. ny gov wont hire back medical workers without vax even though it does nothing in the regards they are convinced, stopping the transmission to patients. so i guess people just do what they want in large part regardless of info. somehow a general narrative now overshadows any real facts. in this regard i find the left far more irrational and dangerous. as i stated i can name alot of examples where innocent people were hurt/killed on behalf of a false narritive. maybe thats my bias speaking but large portions of the country burning and under authoritarian lockdown destroying the economy say otherwise.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Buffarukus

[Buffarukus]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

You’re misconstruing my point from that thread. 
 

What I was trying to get across is that the FBI flagging posts that potentially violate Twitter’s TOS is not censorship or coercion because Twitter ultimately decides what to do with the flagged posts. We also know that Twitter knew it could push back on these requests because not only were they staffed with many ex-FBI employees who would know that the FBI can’t force them to act, but they also rejected most of the requests.

 

Most of the time, the requests went as follows:

FBI: Hey, you should check out this post

Twitter: Sure!

Twitter: After review, we are declining to take action. 

 

your making your point clear. the gov should not be saying anything to twitter to influence them. the mere "suggestion" by a outside party that has ultimate power over them is the problem. im not sure why you see this as so innocent when

 

A) the gov did not simply point out tos violations. they went far beyond that. Twitter has a staff specifically to moderate. so the gov is actually suggesting they focus directly on what they want them to OR fudge their tos to do their bidding. this was made perfectly clear and a big reason tech keeps their tos vague so they can do what they want on their or "outside" influencers whims. 

 

B) the intermingling of gov with former fbi ect. could also be construed as the opposite. inside people in high positions of private companies MORE willing to push propaganda on behalf of their colleagues. maybe that was their only intent. viewing it how you are is very nieve in my opinion.

 

so phizer gives million of ad revenue to facebook. they have a hotline to the top person as twitter relies on such a "generous" supporter. phizer says hey buddy. that competitor of ours..did you know there is a side effect that could hurt people. thats dangerous and against tos...right? how bout you remove them or maybe we stop. working with a company that is not interested in protecting people from side effects. talk to jim. our former employee who came over from us and he can explain it all. 

 

just innocent convo. twitter can say no. please.

 

regardless the gov was PAYING twitter. so its not even what you say.

 

if the gov wants to make a statement or promote facts it thinks are being spread online. its called a microphone or press briefing ect. not coordinating with social media platforms to artificially control its output. 

 

you can't suggest people are conspiratorial while also being fine with  influence on info in the same breath. like i said people will fill in the blanks and recently they have been correct. hell, gov involvement in suppressing free speech was a conspiracy just a moment ago.

 

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Buffarukus

[aristocrat]

 

[Orlando Tim]

On 10/28/2022 at 2:33 PM, BillStime said:

 

Billsy now that we know the attacker is just crazy do you regret this post stating he was a conservative?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

21 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I can only speak for myself, but the Steele Dossier was a piece of raw intelligence gathering. It’s basically just collecting all the rumors you can about someone. The next step would be to verify if those rumors were true, but that didn’t happen.
 

Steele was wrong to leak it because the public was just going to latch on to the salacious details without taking a step back and recognizing the report for what it was. 
 

As someone who thought (and still thinks) that Trump sucks, I certainly wanted the report to be true and I kept waiting for other outlets to verify the stories but they never could.
 

That’s why the Mueller report dismissed most of the dossier and why the Clinton campaign didn’t use it: nothing in it could be proven to be true. Steele got ahead of himself by leaking it (I believe to John McCain) instead of verifying it first. 

In the calm light of day, the Steele dossier was pure propaganda, an elaborate tale with roots directly to the DNC and Clinton.  Those is dem leadership, the IC, and media members with sources deep within knew this.  Mueller would have known this early on. 
 

It was allowed to hang around because people who thought “Trump sucked” wanted it to be true, like virtually everything else associated with the Russia story.  It helped shape the overall narrative, as did comments like those from Adam Schiff and his role as chief propagandist of the party.  As you said earlier, there aren’t really any penalties for lying on tv, and people can be incredibly gullible.  
 

We simply need to add it to the scrap heap of other such stories and recognize people believe such stories because they want it to be true.  That’s why they work,  the latest of which was “Trump had classified info first time evaaahhhh…” when all we really have to do is look in garages and storage boxes of former officials. 
 

 

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

Billsy now that we know the attacker is just crazy do you regret this post stating he was a conservative?

 

Nope

 

Paul Pelosi attacker trafficks in conspiracy theories in call to TV station after video release

 

Quote

 

DePape also told a San Francisco police officer in October that the reason he went to the Pelosis’ San Francisco home was because he believed that the then-speaker was “the leader of the pack” of all the politicians in Washington, DC, “lying on a consistent basis.”

 

DePape claimed that Democrats were on an “endless f**king crime spree” when it came to Trump.

 

“Not only were they spying on a rival campaign, they were submitting fake evidence to spy on a rival campaign, covering it up, persecuting the rival campaign,” DePape said of what he believed Democrats were doing to Trump.

 

DePape said that these actions originated with Hillary Clinton, who unsuccessfully ran against Trump in 2016, and that all Democrats are “criminals.” But he zeroed in on Pelosi as the one who “ran with the lying.”

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

And now that Paul Pelosi hammer attacker David DePape is on trial, we get to see how preposterous those manufactured "theories" were about Pelosi and DePape being gay lovers, or DePape being the world's most flabby gay hooker.

 

David DePape planned to wear an inflatable unicorn costume and broke into Nancy Pelosi’s home to speak to her about Russian involvement in the 2016 election, he testified in San Francisco Federal Court Tuesday.

A tearful DePape said his plan was to get the former House Speaker and his other famous “targets” to admit to their corruption and eventually get President Joe Biden to pardon the group. 

 

That's right. An "inflatable unicorn costume." Are we sure it wasn't going to be an inflatable deranged rhino costume?

 

To all the Elon Musks who were "just asking questions," well, we have your answers:

 

“He was never my target and I’m sorry he got hurt,” DePape, 43, said of Paul Pelosi. “I reacted because my plan was basically ruined,” adding he wanted to ask Biden to pardon his targets “so we can move forward as a country.”

DePape said he would listen to political podcasts that supported right-wing conspiracies as he played video games six hours a day. 

 

He's starting to sound like some of our PPP contributors.

 

On one of those podcasts, he heard conservative commentator James Lindsay talk about Bay Area scholar Dr. Gayle Rubin, a leading academic in feminist theory and ***** studies.

“The takeaway I got is that she wants to turn our schools into pedophile molestation factories,” he said of Rubin, who has been referred to as “Target 1” in federal court documents.

Rubin also testified on Tuesday and said her writings were misconstrued to fit a narrative against the gay movement.

When asked by DePape’s defense attorney if she supported child abuse, Rubin replied, “Absolutely not.”

In his blog posts that have since been taken down, DePape often wrote about QAnon and unfounded theories that former President Donald Trump was at war with a cabal of Satan-worshiping Democrat elites who run a global pedophile sex ring.

 

Correction: he's starting to sound exactly like one of our esteemed former PPP contributors, and that contributor's self-identified "Ghost."

 

https://nypost.com/2023/11/14/news/david-depape-man-accused-of-attacking-nancy-pelosis-husband-with-a-hammer-in-their-home-apologizes/

 

Maybe Elon will post a big "never mind" on Twitter X today. Definitely someone else will post a tone deaf comment about how I always seem to find a QAnon link. 

That may be because there is a QAnon link.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

On 11/15/2023 at 12:15 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

And now that Paul Pelosi hammer attacker David DePape is on trial, we get to see how preposterous those manufactured "theories" were about Pelosi and DePape being gay lovers, or DePape being the world's most flabby gay hooker.

 

David DePape planned to wear an inflatable unicorn costume and broke into Nancy Pelosi’s home to speak to her about Russian involvement in the 2016 election, he testified in San Francisco Federal Court Tuesday.

A tearful DePape said his plan was to get the former House Speaker and his other famous “targets” to admit to their corruption and eventually get President Joe Biden to pardon the group. 

 

That's right. An "inflatable unicorn costume." Are we sure it wasn't going to be an inflatable deranged rhino costume?

 

To all the Elon Musks who were "just asking questions," well, we have your answers:

 

“He was never my target and I’m sorry he got hurt,” DePape, 43, said of Paul Pelosi. “I reacted because my plan was basically ruined,” adding he wanted to ask Biden to pardon his targets “so we can move forward as a country.”

DePape said he would listen to political podcasts that supported right-wing conspiracies as he played video games six hours a day. 

 

He's starting to sound like some of our PPP contributors.

 

On one of those podcasts, he heard conservative commentator James Lindsay talk about Bay Area scholar Dr. Gayle Rubin, a leading academic in feminist theory and ***** studies.

“The takeaway I got is that she wants to turn our schools into pedophile molestation factories,” he said of Rubin, who has been referred to as “Target 1” in federal court documents.

Rubin also testified on Tuesday and said her writings were misconstrued to fit a narrative against the gay movement.

When asked by DePape’s defense attorney if she supported child abuse, Rubin replied, “Absolutely not.”

In his blog posts that have since been taken down, DePape often wrote about QAnon and unfounded theories that former President Donald Trump was at war with a cabal of Satan-worshiping Democrat elites who run a global pedophile sex ring.

 

Correction: he's starting to sound exactly like one of our esteemed former PPP contributors, and that contributor's self-identified "Ghost."

 

https://nypost.com/2023/11/14/news/david-depape-man-accused-of-attacking-nancy-pelosis-husband-with-a-hammer-in-their-home-apologizes/

 

Maybe Elon will post a big "never mind" on Twitter X today. Definitely someone else will post a tone deaf comment about how I always seem to find a QAnon link. 

That may be because there is a QAnon link.

What's interesting to me is that while this guy is absolutely off his rocker, it looks like the push here is life in prison.   Is there a path to redemption for him out there?  Will he get the help he needs to realize the error in his ways?  He's 43 years old and certainly sounds apologetic--is life in a prison over the next 40 years the answer?  

 

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

What's interesting to me is that while this guy is absolutely off his rocker, it looks like the push here is life in prison.   Is there a path to redemption for him out there?  Will he get the help he needs to realize the error in his ways?  He's 43 years old and certainly sounds apologetic--is life in a prison over the next 40 years the answer?  

 

 

Canada can have him back. Let's say in 2057. I'm sure they'll restore his 2nd Amendment rights.

[Wacka]

Billsy is disappointed. He wanted to join the 2AM Naked hammer Fight Club.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

53 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Canada can have him back. Let's say in 2057. I'm sure they'll restore his 2nd Amendment rights.

I get the knee jerk response, this is still fresh in the collective mindset of the country.   Your call for expulsion in 2057 probably isn’t far off, 30+ years out.  That follows the path of another guy with obvious mental issues, John Hinckley.   He goes on a shooting rampage, seriously injured James Brady,  Thomas Delhanty, Timothy McCarthy and of course RR.  
 

On the other hand, it seems the govt was willing to accept a plea of insanity then, but no such deal here.  
 

As for a return to Canada, I wouldn’t be so quick to assume anything with respect to the 2nd A.  I decided to take my wife on a romantritic (romantic and patriotic) whirlwind to Montreal one July, and planned champagne and fireworks on Independence Day.  Turns out it was all a big fat goose egg. 

[ChiGoose]

I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that this trial played out as the facts presented instead of the right wing circle jerk of a secret affair based on absolutely nothing.

 

Will the MAGA crowd learn from this? I’d bet the farm against it. Learning isn’t exactly their thing. 

[BillsFanNC]

Finding Qanon still with DR living all too comfortably inside its head. 

 

When was it that DR was banned from these parts again?

 

Obsession!

 

 

And remember when a major news outlet fired a reporter for what turned out to be a rare instance of accurate reporting about the Pelosi incident?

 

With the absurd track record that the American media has with accurate reporting,  I'm afraid you're left with most sane people not believing them.

 

Crazy that corrupt institutions have to ultimately lie in the bed that they have made.