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McDermott/Beane press conference 8/27: Matt Araiza released


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4 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

I don't think it's been shared here, but this is a long thread already: how many of us think this organizational blind-spot in drafting a player who clearly had such a serious off-field time bomb is the unfortunate result of Araiza being projected to go much higher in the draft than the Bills were willing to consider taking a punter?

 

What I mean is that the Bills probably didn't do a DEEP dive on a nicknamed, award-winning punter projected to be drafted possibly on day two or at worst EARLY day three. Araiza clearly fell, and by the 6th round the Bills likely couldn't ignore the value prop of such a high-ceiling prospect. But that means they probably hadn't invested pre-draft resources in vetting him off the field because they reasonably expected him to be gone before they were willing to consider a punter. 

 

Like most organizational failures, it's often a combination of oversights and unfortunate circumstances. I'll bet Araiza was not a serious pre-draft target for the Bills, and the decision to draft him was less informed than their usual selections.

 

At least, this is a plausible rationalization.  

Not every team does a full deep dive on every player.  In this case beane says he has talked to double digit teams and no one said they knew.  I do think it is possible this was out locally at SDS and could have been known.   But even then you only would have had rumors.  He was worth a 6th round pick.  I am diss appointed we don’t get to see what he could have become but they did the right thing.  

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1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 

Let's not kid ourselves, in the eyes of the national media, and the general public outside of WNY, the Bills and the Browns are now the same thing.

Oh please.  We released Arizia; the Browns are paying Watson a guaranteed 200 some million.

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Just now, oldmanfan said:

Oh please.  We released Arizia; the Browns are paying Watson a guaranteed 209 some million.


Oh please. We released Araiza because he was ‘only’ the punter. Do you honestly think we would have cut Josh in the same circumstances?

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Just now, UKBillFan said:


Oh please. We released Araiza because he was ‘only’ the punter. Do you honestly think we would have cut Josh in the same circumstances?

Probably not.  But I believe we might have suspended him while things were investigated.  I would have preferred that in the Araiza case but apparently that was not a choice because the incident was before he was on the team.

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2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Probably not.  But I believe we might have suspended him while things were investigated.  I would have preferred that in the Araiza case but apparently that was not a choice because the incident was before he was on the team.


And if something came up from Josh’s college days, so the exempt list wasn’t an option?

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6 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

I still don’t understand why the Bills didn’t ask for a copy of the draft compliant.  Could have solved a lot of problems.  Or could have allowed them to say that Ps attorney sandbagged them.  


why did the Ps attorney contact the Bills before filing the complaint? What would be the purpose of that? 
 

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2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:


And if something came up from Josh’s college days, so the exempt list wasn’t an option?

Hypothetically if he raped a girl I’d cut him.  I ‘d be enormously sad but ultimately football does not trump crimes.

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6 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Am I the only one that finds it wierd that this girls attorney tweeted that maybe with a donation and apolology, maybe Matt is still playing football? 
 

 

Nope. It's weird. The lawyer would certainly love that because it would hand him the victory in the case.

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24 minutes ago, CSBill said:

 

Let's not kid ourselves, in the eyes of the national media, and the general public outside of WNY, the Bills and the Browns are now the same thing.

This makes literally no sense

18 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:


Oh please. We released Araiza because he was ‘only’ the punter. Do you honestly think we would have cut Josh in the same circumstances?

People making this point are really silly because it's completely hypothetical and the Bills haven't given you an indication one way or another. In fact, if anything, they've given you indication that the result would be the same.

 

I feel like people just want to be upset

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21 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Hypothetically if he raped a girl I’d cut him.  I ‘d be enormously sad but ultimately football does not trump crimes.


Agreed but not sure if we would have responded in the same way as we have Araiza.

13 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

This makes literally no sense

People making this point are really silly because it's completely hypothetical and the Bills haven't given you an indication one way or another. In fact, if anything, they've given you indication that the result would be the same.

 

I feel like people just want to be upset


No, just that football is a business and no franchise is classier than any others. It’s all about money and winning at the end of the day. The solution with Araiza was easy because of the position he filled.

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11 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Reporters were annoying the entire press conference.  Constantly trying to get Beane or McD to say something negative about Matt or the accuser.

 

The Bills judged these items to be accusations, they had not reached the point of charges, they did just as much review as any other team in the league, they talked to Matt about this, and they made the decision to move forward.  Does that make them perfect? No.  But reporters almost complaining that they didnt reach out to the accuser when there weren't charges is a joke.  Media looking for a story instead of reporting the one in front of them.

 

Beane sounded genuine to both Matt and the accuser.  It screamed to me "We told Matt if he is truly innocent, go figure this crap out and we will follow the results of the case accordingly".

 

Fair play to the Bills for handling this with class and precision.

I'm with you pretty much all the way, but the words "thorough investigation" were a mistake relative to all of this. If you claim to conduct a thorough investigation of a crime you don't skip talking to the person alleging the crime. That phrase was disingenuous at the very least and dishonest at worst. 

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1 minute ago, Fabio9000 said:

I'm with you pretty much all the way, but the words "thorough investigation" were a mistake relative to all of this. If you claim to conduct a thorough investigation of a crime you don't skip talking to the person alleging the crime. That phrase was disingenuous at the very least and dishonest at worst. 


Beane admitted that in the conference - stated it should have really said ‘continuing’.

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2 minutes ago, Fabio9000 said:

I'm with you pretty much all the way, but the words "thorough investigation" were a mistake relative to all of this. If you claim to conduct a thorough investigation of a crime you don't skip talking to the person alleging the crime. That phrase was disingenuous at the very least and dishonest at worst. 

I thought they were clear that they didn’t look at it as a crime.  It was a thorough investigation of an accusation.  Some may bleed the meanings of those works together, but I think the Bills were feeling these were accusations where no crime had been defined because no legal charges had been brought.  Just my opinion though, you could be correct

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32 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:


Agreed but not sure if we would have responded in the same way as we have Araiza.


No, just that football is a business and no franchise is classier than any others. It’s all about money and winning at the end of the day. The solution with Araiza was easy because of the position he filled.


I don’t disagree with the basic sentiment but watching those two guys you could clearly see the anguish.  I will compare and contrast that with the Browns press conferences where there was no compassion expressed whatsoever.  McDermott was especially anguished.  They’re both fathers and that side came out to me last night.  Their body language said far more than their words.  They were sickened by the whole thing.  

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1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Not every team does a full deep dive on every player.  In this case beane says he has talked to double digit teams and no one said they knew.  I do think it is possible this was out locally at SDS and could have been known.   But even then you only would have had rumors.  He was worth a 6th round pick.  I am diss appointed we don’t get to see what he could have become but they did the right thing.  

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/8/27/23324566/some-teams-knew-of-matt-araiza-gang-rape-allegations-before-2022-nfl-draft

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