BullBuchanan Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said: He admitted to having sex with the girl. Which is a crime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Draconator said: Ok. Fair statement. But could it be said that he does this by choice because he knows it would make him a quick buck? Just a general question. My initial thought was similar, what a sleaze. Then found out that he reps woman in the adult entertainment industry who are often prayed upon... Repping sexual assault victims is his area of practice. I don't think it's fair to call him an ambulance chaser any more than any other type of civil attorney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: Wait, are you a biologist? Because I'm told that these terms are difficult to define these days. I'm a Heathen. Watch the video. Heh. 🕷️ 💖. 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: Like I said, “according to some in this thread.” Point is, it’s not up to the victim to drop anything police or the DA may be pursuing relative to bringing criminal charges. Agreed. And I believe you know this, but the civil suit may be filed whether or not criminal charges are being pursued. Edited August 27, 2022 by Beck Water 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said: He admitted to having sex with the girl. He didn’t say anything about being part of the assault, which happened after the fact. According to the plaintiff’s lawyer only at this point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Can we just cut him already? Get him off the team and let's move onto the season without this stain and distraction on the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Which is a crime. Depends on the state. Some states 17 is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, Motorin' said: My initial thought was similar, what a sleaze. Then found out that he reps woman in the adult entertainment industry who are often prayed upon... Repping sexual assault victims is his area of practice. I don't think it's fair to call him an ambulance chaser any more than any other type of civil attorney. His responsibility is to his client. No question. I just see his tactics as below ground and unethical. What he's doing is something I don't see in my fringe legal followings on TV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 How many pages before this thread sets a record as TBD's longest ever. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, K-9 said: According to the plaintiff’s lawyer only at this point. Araiza's lawyer basically confirmed that Matt had what they consider consensual, non-forceful sex with her. Just now, mob16151 said: How many pages before this thread sets a record as TBD's longest ever. 1 Billion pages! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, djp14150 said: Matt was forecast to be an nfl draft pick based on the results around the time shortly after this incident occured. Police would be notified by the hospital after the rape kit was done. Was it released that she went to the hospital before the police? Btw. A note. If a woman is ever raped she should go to the hospital first. They will alert the police and experts advise this method for better justice results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Victim has not dropped the "criminal pursuit". DA states that charges are still under consideration. I suspect you're correct that the DA is hesitant because the evidence is considered questionable or incomplete. If the DA has dna from the rape, thry likely would have obtained samp,es and did tests finding matches. if they don’t have dna as evidence, and her known to be passed out/ drunk, they will need situation evidence of who went in the room with her. thry likely told them they did not have an evidence based case on Matt unless someone cam forward and says he was there…of which sworn statements by some said he wasn’t even at the house. he gets cut she and the lawyer can be sued for ruining his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, Motorin' said: Araiza's lawyer basically confirmed that Matt had what they consider consensual, non-forceful sex with her. I haven’t seen that, but I’ll take your word for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: If you think that highly of their judgement, you may pause to think they believe his involvement actually is at the lower end of the possibilities, and that they have access to more than you or I do. just another consideration of how you can frame things all sorts of ways. They do have more access. The NFL and teams hire LEO professionals to vet all their players pre draft. Pat MacAfee said as much the other day and flat out said “they knew”. Rob Maadi asked 5 FO’s. 3 said they didn’t know. 2 said they did. The two that didn’t said it didn’t effect their draft status because they weren’t going to draft a punter anyways. Are we supposed to believe that the people who weren’t drafting a punter had access. But the team that drafted him didn’t? I don’t buy it. For years we’ve heard stories of prospects talk about how surprised they were at what teams knew about them in their pre draft interviews. The Bills knew. If they didn’t know, they didn’t do their due diligence. Edited August 27, 2022 by Mango 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Which is a crime. It's technically a crime because California's law is weird. Nobody (I think) has any actual objection to a 21 year old hooking up with a 17 year old. That sort of relationship would be legal in most states, including New York. My own daughter was 17 not that long ago. If she had a consensual hook up with a college guy, I wouldn't have been happy about it or anything, but it wouldn't occur to me to want the guy prosecuted. Age of consent in my state is 16 so it wouldn't have mattered anyway. I don't want the Bills disciplining a player, employee, volunteer, intern, or anybody else just because they technically broke a law in some other state that doesn't make any moral sense to begin with. Let's stick to the "drugging her drink" and "setting her up to get raped" part -- that's what's important here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Mango said: They do have more access. The NFL and teams hire LEO professionals to vet all their players pre draft. Pat MacAfee said as much the other day and flat out said “they knew”. Rob Maadi asked 5 FO’s. 3 said they didn’t know. 2 said they did. The two that didn’t said it didn’t effect their draft status because they weren’t going to draft a punter anyways. Are we supposed to believe that people that people who weren’t drafting a punter had access. But the team that drafted him didn’t? I don’t buy it. For years we’ve heard stories of prospects talk about how surprised they were at what teams knew about them in their pre draft interviews. The Bills knew. If they didn’t know, they didn’t do their due diligence. A guy with the hype he had would have been drafted higher if there were no red flags. Teams knew. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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djp14150 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: I mean I'm no expert but I have to believe there's a reason Araiza's criminal defense attorney believes his client is facing no charges at all, while the circumstances are different for at least one of the other accused. If the purported tape of him admitting to sex with her isn't admissible in court, that would be a big reason. California is a 2 party state that means both sides must allow their recording. If one did not then it is inadmissible in criminal/ civil court. him having sex with her….let’s assume it’s true….it’s not an illegal act if he thought she was 18 and sober. It becomes a he said/ she said. we do not know if he ebpven was the voice being recorded. Has anyone e er answered your phone or talked on your phone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: It's not in CA. And even if it's legal, it's ***** gross. Wooderson wasn't a character you should aspire to be. "This is slighly skeevy" is not a reason to release a player. When people focus on this particular aspect of the story, it tells me that they made up their mind 48 hours ago and are now just looking for reasons to support the conclusion that they lept to. If this entire story was just "Matt Araiza hooked up with a 17 year old when he was in college," it would not be a story. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Was it released that she went to the hospital before the police? Btw. A note. If a woman is ever raped she should go to the hospital first. They will alert the police and experts advise this method for better justice results. She went to get a rape kit done within 48 hours of the incident. i do not know if she went to the police first. some stories say she did then the told her to get a rape kit done. If a rape kit is done at a hospital they are required to notify the police. Then the police would follow up with her after notification of the rape kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockeye Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Need to get rid of this POS as well!! https://www.pennlive.com/sports/2022/04/nfls-von-miller-being-sued-accused-of-revenge-porn-after-woman-says-he-shared-lewd-photos-of-her-with-celebs.html Guilty until proven innocent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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