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I’m not worried about Sully’s articles.  He’s been fair and actually relatively positive since we have Allen.  I used to think he was such a tool, but in fairness we sucked, mired in mediocrity and he was unapologetic about reporting it.  It’s not like he’s an idiot like Schoop, hence why I refuse to listen to those two morons.

 

He seemed fair balanced and whatever. He’s a Niagara Gazette writer.  Does anyone really care?

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I agree with the OP.  The sentence he highlighted is an excellent peak into Sully's personality or mental approach.   It's interesting to me that the old timers here, the ones who've lived through all the unhappy outcomes of the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, followed by the drought, seem to be unanimous about it:  We're not envious of anyone.   We're enjoying what's happening now, and we aren't making a negative of it because we didn't enjoy much success before.   To us, at least, that's not what being a Bills fan is about.   We're about the hope and possibilities, whether or not those possibilities have been realized.   

 

Sully seems to think we're supposed to feel bad about the fact that we didn't have more wins.   That's just a very odd way to look at like, to look at the world - just to dwell on the bad times.   Fact is, almost anyone who wants to dwell on just the bad times gave up being a Bills fan many years ago.   

 

So, yeah, Sully's done his usual good job in the quality of his writing, and he's unusually (for him) upbeat about the team without unnecessary shots at whatever, but it's interesting that even with that, he couldn't resist the urge to suggest that there are still is a reason to be unhappy or unsatisfied.  And that's why so many of us dislike him - we may see lots of things we're critical of in the bad times, but we're always with our team.  Sully always sounds like, if he weren't paid to cover the Bills, he would move 1000 miles away and never think about them again.   That attitude is just out of touch with a lot of fans.   

11 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I’m not worried about Sully’s articles.  He’s been fair and actually relatively positive since we have Allen.  I used to think he was such a tool, but in fairness we sucked, mired in mediocrity and he was unapologetic about reporting it.  It’s not like he’s an idiot like Schoop, hence why I refuse to listen to those two morons.

 

He seemed fair balanced and whatever. He’s a Niagara Gazette writer.  Does anyone really care?

He may be fair and balanced now, but he wasn't always.   Ultimately, it cost him his job at the News.    He called the Bills a "dumpster fire" 11 months before they made the playoffs.  Why?  Either he was blinded by his negativity, or he was in search of clicks.   

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2 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

I'm good with realistic negative.  Constructive criticism is fine and many of his criticisms were on the mark.  What soured me on Sully was his appearances on WGR.  He had this thing he would say sometimes:

 

"So, how do you like your football team?"

 

Now, that is a fine question to start discussion about the merits and deficiencies of a team...but he always seemed to say it with an accusing tone.  Sometimes it was almost like he was daring anyone else to defend any aspect of the team.  He seemed to enjoy it so much.  Maybe it is dangerous to read too much into tone, but he seemed happy the Bills were bad.

 

I couldn't read him after that.

Yes, this.  Attitude was very clear when he was on the air.   There was a nastiness that surfaced that made it clear he is sour, has a negative attitude.   The time I remember was listening to him with Schopp and the Bulldog.  It was near the end of the season, or after the season, when the Bills had TO.   He had been negative about TO from the day the Bills signed him, all over the guy for being a bad actor, bad citizen, cancer in the locker room, all of that stuff.   Well, fine, Jerry, if you want to report the history of his other stops, but the fact is that TO was absolutely find, hard working, positive teammate for the entire season.   He was not a problem at all, he was a big contributor, and he left on good terms.   Jerry kept at it, blasting TO, and Schopp and the Bulldog kept saying that he was wrong, TO hadn't been a problem at all.  They kept getting more and more exasperated as Jerry made more and more outrageous claims, all of which were unsupported by any facts.   Schopp and the Bulldog finally just shut him and went to a commercial.   

 

Sullivan's just that kind of guy.  

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Sully always has a negative waiting for the other shoe to drop writing style... enjoy it it while it lasts but it aint going very far attitude.  Maybe so, but that is not why I became a fan in 1969 as a three year old... before that who knows... its more just hometown team good or bad you stick with them... lived in DC, Cali and near NYC since HS and never switched allegiances... Jerry isnt Jerry unless that rain cloud is not following him close by... agreed good writer.

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Not reading through the thread, just adding my 2 cents. Sullivan is not as smart as he gives himself credit for, and he hates kittens. His writing is formulaic and tired, and the longer the Bills are successful the less relevant he becomes. He’s a one-trick hollow pony and a miserable human being. Toodles, Jerry. 

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11 hours ago, jwhit34 said:

 

Anyone who grew up during that 17-year drought must feel envious of those kids in the Allen jerseys today. They probably want to grab them by the collar and say, ‘You have no idea how good you have it! I suffered through Losman and Manuel and Edwards and Taylor and the bad Bledsoe, and Fitz at his worst.’

 

 

Winning one will make up for all of that.

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10 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Well said! My theory on “Sully” is he’s actually a decent writer, but has worked so hard to brand himself as a curmudgeon that now he can’t get out of his own way when the city is experiencing success. What a sad existence… almost poetic.

Or does sully enjoy it when our bills lose so that he can tell everyone he was right? 🤔

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11 hours ago, jwhit34 said:

At first I resisted clicking on Jerry Sullivan's latest article, "Josh Allen offers hope that makes Bills fans unburdened by past scars." But I did, and am glad I did. I have been reading his work for decades and like many here at TBD have and so many times just shake my head after reading his columns. He's a good writer but there's something missing in his work. 

 

Today I think I found it: He doesn't get it. For as long as he has lived and worked in the area, he really doesn't understand the community. 

 

Case in point: the following excerpt from the column:

 

That’s it. Once you have the franchise quarterback, all things are possible. Allen has allowed Bills fans to rise above the old fatalism. Sure, the loss to the Chiefs added another chapter to the chronicle of woe. But if anything, it made people more certain Allen would eventually win the big one, and maybe more than one.

 

It beats the alternative — trying to convince themselves that a dysfunctional organization with a parade of flawed quarterbacks might actually shock the world and make a title run, when it became yet another heroic run to 7-9 or 6-10.

 

Anyone who grew up during that 17-year drought must feel envious of those kids in the Allen jerseys today. They probably want to grab them by the collar and say, ‘You have no idea how good you have it! I suffered through Losman and Manuel and Edwards and Taylor and the bad Bledsoe, and Fitz at his worst.’

 

The bolded sentence is what he doesn't understand about us and Buffalo. Us older Bills fans are not "envious of those kids in the Allen jerseys today". We love seeing "those kids in the Allen jerseys today". Buffalonians stay in Buffalo because they love the area, love the people, and despite the challenges the area has had economically, weather, etc., part of that is our bond and our perpetual optimism makes that bond even stronger. Parents stay in the area and raise their kids in Buffalo because they think it's a great place to be and think their kids will have it even better than they did, and they want that for their kids. 

 

And that goes for the Bills and their fans. I am so excited for the next generation to experience hopefully a great run by this current iteration of the Bills, and how cool it will be for all those kids with Allen jerseys. Zero envy.

 

I spent the first half of my life in Buffalo and then moved to Rochester when I got married, and I love Rochester but Buffalo was, is and always will be special to me. It will always be a part of me, helped make me who I am today. The biggest thing I miss are the people. Almost 35 years later I still have my season tickets and love going to the games. I can't wait to one day celebrate a Super Bowl win with our kids, one who is a Bills fanatic. 

 

After all these years, it is too bad that Sullivan has not captured maybe the key component of what makes this community and Bills fans tick, and I find that as the missing piece in his writing. 

 

Damn I must be one of those kids that got an Allen jersey.  I am only 64 and it’s first jersey I have ever bought!

 

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8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Yes… it’s why his comment about people being envy of the kids with Josh Allen is false…. Fans would convince themselves(wrongly of course)every year how good this team would be…. There is no envy because they’d always find some bull ***** reason to be positive about the team.😅

 

I've never lived in Buffalo, but even I know that part is complete BS.

 

No matter when I went there, every Bills fan I came across was supportive & optimistic, never envious or jealous at all. There's no chance in hell that seeing young Bills fans excited makes them jealous, angry, bitter, or any negative emotion whatsoever.

 

If anything, they're probably bummed our fellow Bills fans who passed away during the drought didn't get to see the team finally make it back atop the division. That's the kind of Bills fan & Buffalonians I met. 🤗💯

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14 hours ago, jwhit34 said:

At first I resisted clicking on Jerry Sullivan's latest article, "Josh Allen offers hope that makes Bills fans unburdened by past scars." But I did, and am glad I did. I have been reading his work for decades and like many here at TBD have and so many times just shake my head after reading his columns. He's a good writer but there's something missing in his work. 

 

Today I think I found it: He doesn't get it. For as long as he has lived and worked in the area, he really doesn't understand the community. 

 

Case in point: the following excerpt from the column:

 

That’s it. Once you have the franchise quarterback, all things are possible. Allen has allowed Bills fans to rise above the old fatalism. Sure, the loss to the Chiefs added another chapter to the chronicle of woe. But if anything, it made people more certain Allen would eventually win the big one, and maybe more than one.

 

It beats the alternative — trying to convince themselves that a dysfunctional organization with a parade of flawed quarterbacks might actually shock the world and make a title run, when it became yet another heroic run to 7-9 or 6-10.

 

Anyone who grew up during that 17-year drought must feel envious of those kids in the Allen jerseys today. They probably want to grab them by the collar and say, ‘You have no idea how good you have it! I suffered through Losman and Manuel and Edwards and Taylor and the bad Bledsoe, and Fitz at his worst.’

 

The bolded sentence is what he doesn't understand about us and Buffalo. Us older Bills fans are not "envious of those kids in the Allen jerseys today". We love seeing "those kids in the Allen jerseys today". Buffalonians stay in Buffalo because they love the area, love the people, and despite the challenges the area has had economically, weather, etc., part of that is our bond and our perpetual optimism makes that bond even stronger. Parents stay in the area and raise their kids in Buffalo because they think it's a great place to be and think their kids will have it even better than they did, and they want that for their kids. 

 

And that goes for the Bills and their fans. I am so excited for the next generation to experience hopefully a great run by this current iteration of the Bills, and how cool it will be for all those kids with Allen jerseys. Zero envy.

 

I spent the first half of my life in Buffalo and then moved to Rochester when I got married, and I love Rochester but Buffalo was, is and always will be special to me. It will always be a part of me, helped make me who I am today. The biggest thing I miss are the people. Almost 35 years later I still have my season tickets and love going to the games. I can't wait to one day celebrate a Super Bowl win with our kids, one who is a Bills fanatic. 

 

After all these years, it is too bad that Sullivan has not captured maybe the key component of what makes this community and Bills fans tick, and I find that as the missing piece in his writing. 

 

Come on. Just another example of the Jerry hate. His whole article was spot except for a cherry picked section. Then you truly take what he says out of context. I don't think he meant it in a literal way. Following the theme of his article, the sentence does make sense. We fans including the older ones have suffered though much pain and false hopes. I think he's saying today's youth who never experienced the pain have no idea how lucky they are to see, watch, and witness true Allen stardom. 

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9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Don’t pay attention to them. 😉

Yes… it’s why his comment about people being envy of the kids with Josh Allen is false…. Fans would convince themselves(wrongly of course)every year how good this team would be…. There is no envy because they’d always find some bull ***** reason to be positive about the team.😅

You can follow a team and hope the moves they made will be successful, or you can follow a team to see if their moves will be futile and prove your insufferable point of view correct. Each one covers the same span. In the end, which one has been the ridiculous waste of time? Food for thought on your expenditure in the name of “fandom”. 

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5 hours ago, transient said:

You can follow a team and hope the moves they made will be successful, or you can follow a team to see if their moves will be futile and prove your insufferable point of view correct. Each one covers the same span. In the end, which one has been the ridiculous waste of time? Food for thought on your expenditure in the name of “fandom”. 

 

 

Or you can follow a team and say WTF are they doing? All through the drought years from starting Rob Johnson against the Titans to firing your OC because you lost 34 to 31, any respectable writer didn't need to wait to see if many of the moves were futile or not.   Unless you are an absolute shill, covering Buffalo sports for the whole 17  years  is going to make you understandably pessimistic.  He just held on to his skepticism too long.  After all, what did Pegula do with the Sabres or the first two years with the Bills (Rex Ryan) do to inspire confidence? He is suppose to be a writer covering Buffalo sports, he should bring in a  more realistic attitude than a fan.

 

I read the article and I cannot see what even the most strident homer should complain about.  One quote taken out of context does not reflect what he wrote, which was a very heartfelt sentimental piece.

 

edit:  I changed "would complain about" to "should complain about" since obvious some people are complaining.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

 

 

Or you can follow a team and say WTF are they doing? All through the drought years from starting Rob Johnson against the Titans to firing your OC because you lost 34 to 31, any respectable writer didn't need to wait to see if many of the moves were futile or not.   Unless you are an absolute shill, covering Buffalo sports for the whole 17  years  is going to make you understandably pessimistic.  He just held on to his skepticism too long.  After all, what did Pegula do with the Sabres or the first two years with the Bills (Rex Ryan) do to inspire confidence? He is suppose to be a writer covering Buffalo sports, he should bring in a  more realistic attitude than a fan.

 

I read the article and I cannot see what even the most strident homer should complain about.  One quote taken out of context does not reflect what he wrote, which was a very heartfelt sentimental piece.

 

edit:  I changed "would complain about" to "should complain about" since obvious some people are complaining.

 

 

 

Sullivan was Sullivan before the drought. He was a douche during the Kelly years, as well. I heard him on Shredd and Ragan in the early 90s a few times, and how he writes is who he is. As much as people try to defend his takes, he was in his glory during that 17 years of misery. It gave him license to be unapologetic about unleashing the misery within. I didn’t read his current article, nor will I. 

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8 minutes ago, transient said:

Sullivan was Sullivan before the drought. He was a douche during the Kelly years, as well. I heard him on Shredd and Ragan in the early 90s a few times, and how he writes is who he is. As much as people try to defend his takes, he was in his glory during that 17 years of misery. It gave him license to be unapologetic about unleashing the misery within. I didn’t read his current article, nor will I. 

 

I did not listen or read his articles during the Super Bowl year since you just couldn't do it back then if you were out of the area.  I listened to him in the  on GR after the Super Bowl years and he made a whole lot more sense than people like Chuck Dickerson or Art Wander.  I understand that is a low bar.

 

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22 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I think you've surfaced too quickly too many times, scuba guy...


I thought the same thing.  😄

11 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

Damn I must be one of those kids that got an Allen jersey.  I am only 64 and it’s first jersey I have ever bought!

 


I’m also 64.  3 more months til Medicare!  Woohoo!

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2 hours ago, transient said:

Sullivan was Sullivan before the drought. He was a douche during the Kelly years, as well. I heard him on Shredd and Ragan in the early 90s a few times, and how he writes is who he is. As much as people try to defend his takes, he was in his glory during that 17 years of misery. It gave him license to be unapologetic about unleashing the misery within. I didn’t read his current article, nor will I. 

The Bills could literally go undefeated this year and win the Super Bowl, and his story would be “that was an awesome season, but it took way too long for the Bills to finally get there.”

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9 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

 

 

Or you can follow a team and say WTF are they doing? All through the drought years from starting Rob Johnson against the Titans to firing your OC because you lost 34 to 31, any respectable writer didn't need to wait to see if many of the moves were futile or not.   Unless you are an absolute shill, covering Buffalo sports for the whole 17  years  is going to make you understandably pessimistic.  He just held on to his skepticism too long.  After all, what did Pegula do with the Sabres or the first two years with the Bills (Rex Ryan) do to inspire confidence? He is suppose to be a writer covering Buffalo sports, he should bring in a  more realistic attitude than a fan.

 

I read the article and I cannot see what even the most strident homer should complain about.  One quote taken out of context does not reflect what he wrote, which was a very heartfelt sentimental piece.

 

edit:  I changed "would complain about" to "should complain about" since obvious some people are complaining.

 

 

 

Agree 100%.

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