Roe vs Wade Overturned

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

 

I think you're see strong movements for a nationwide ban should the GOP control all three branches.

 

Also, I would not be surprised for SCOTUS to go after Obergfell v. Hodges, Lawrence v. Texas, and even Connecticut v. Griswold.

Which means SCOTUS nominees lied and GOP lied. Reversing Roe v. Wade is pointless without a nationwide ban. 
 

[T&C]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is life only human or is it all living creatures?

 

Funny you mention this... I was thinking about it. As humans, the apex creature on this world, people are fighting to kill their unborn babies. Yet virtually every other creature on this world will go to great lengths to assure that their babies are taken care of pre and post birth and will defend them with their own lives if they have to. Such a distinct contrast.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

jfc

 

Actually the Democratic Party is to blame because they wanted Hilary Clinton so bad. They underestimated Bernie Sanders and blew the election.

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, DRsGhost said:

 

 

 

Remember folks - this is why conservative media has exploded in the last 30 years.  

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Which means SCOTUS nominees lied and GOP lied. Reversing Roe v. Wade is pointless without a nationwide ban. 
 

 

They did lie and every person in the world knew they were lying at the time except Susan Collins and Joe Manchin.

 

Reversing Roe is not pointless because it'll get abortion banned in a good number, if not mot, states without a nationwide ban (which has a higher bar to clear). So it's a big win for the anti-choice movement.

 

1 minute ago, T&C said:

Funny you mention this... I was thinking about it. As humans, the apex creature on this world, people are fighting to kill their unborn babies. Yet virtually every other creature on this world will go to great lengths to assure that their babies are taken care of pre and post birth and will defend them with their own lives if they have to. Such a distinct contrast.

 

Many animals eat their own babies.

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, T&C said:

Funny you mention this... I was thinking about it. As humans, the apex creature on this world, people are fighting to kill their unborn babies. Yet virtually every other creature on this world will go to great lengths to assure that their babies are taken care of pre and post birth and will defend them with their own lives if they have to. Such a distinct contrast.

Generally speaking, this is not true.  

[delirious]

Democrats promised for aeons to codify it. They've had ample opportunity. Their inaction is due to them wanting to milk the tribal "us vs them" dogma. (Republicans do it too). 

[muppy]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

 

I wish you were right.

 

I would suggest you start talking to people in the medical profession and reading the actual laws. What you're saying seems like common sense but it's not actually how medicine and law work. 

 

In the meantime, here are some real world examples of how different abortion laws impact care for miscarriage:

 

In Texas:

 

In Michigan:

 

In Poland:

 

In Ireland:

 

Some more info:

Bloomberg:

 

Women jailed for a miscarriage:

 

powerful information gives me cold shivers I'll be honest

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

Is there a separate meeting place for the "Done out of Bounds" Justice(s)?  Do they work out of the local DC IhoP?  An Olive Garden?

 

Watching this nudnik try to frame these justices as illegitimate without saying it is painful.  

 

On a related note, how badly did RBG's actions impact the court from a liberal perspective?   She was an amazing woman to be sure, but hubris was her downfall it would seem.  Or, maybe she was a purist who just decided what will be, will be? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, T&C said:

Funny you mention this... I was thinking about it. As humans, the apex creature on this world, people are fighting to kill their unborn babies. Yet virtually every other creature on this world will go to great lengths to assure that their babies are taken care of pre and post birth and will defend them with their own lives if they have to. Such a distinct contrast.

Lions and Polar Bears eat their babies. They’d eat us also if given the chance.

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

They did lie and every person in the world knew they were lying at the time except Susan Collins and Joe Manchin.

 

Reversing Roe is not pointless because it'll get abortion banned in a good number, if not mot, states without a nationwide ban (which has a higher bar to clear). So it's a big win for the anti-choice movement.

 

 

Many animals eat their own babies.

animals do indeed eat their young at times, abandon their offspring, refuse to accept. Welcome to nature. 

 

AS far as abortion is concerned I happen to live in Cali and the governor has stated he will fight till his last breath for abortions to carry on here. 

 

all the rest you post about medical decisions between patients and their medical Dr' being hampered gives me cold sweats. Not meaning to repeat myself Im just being real with it 

[BillStime]

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, muppy said:

all the rest you post about medical decisions between patients and their medical Dr' being hampered gives me cold sweats. Not meaning to repeat myself Im just being real with it 

 

Thanks, and that's why I wanted to point it out. Our public discourse on abortions generally just assumes we are talking about unwanted pregnancies and that the laws are super clear and only impact those cases. The reality is much more complicated.

 

Ideally, I would not have the government intervene in medical care and instead let the patient and their doctor make the best decision they can. That is going to be much more difficult for pregnancies moving forward with Roe and Casey being struck down.

 

Abortions are a difficult, traumatic, and awful thing. I wish we would focus on proven methods to prevent unwanted pregnancies such as comprehensive sex ed and easy access to contraceptives. And to make it easier for people in difficult positions trying to decide what to do, I wish we had pro-natalist policies like affordable healthcare, parental leave, and affordable (or even free) childcare. Those kinds of things would reduce abortions for unwanted pregnancies (because there will be fewer unwanted pregnancies) and reduce abortions for poor and struggling people by providing them help to ensure that they will be able to afford and keep their baby.

 

But the actual medical decision? The government should have no place there.

[nedboy7]

22 minutes ago, T&C said:

Funny you mention this... I was thinking about it. As humans, the apex creature on this world, people are fighting to kill their unborn babies. Yet virtually every other creature on this world will go to great lengths to assure that their babies are taken care of pre and post birth and will defend them with their own lives if they have to. Such a distinct contrast.

 

A gross over simplification. 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 minutes ago, muppy said:

animals do indeed eat their young at times, abandon their offspring, refuse to accept. Welcome to nature. 

 

AS far as abortion is concerned I happen to live in Cali and the governor has stated he will fight till his last breath for abortions to carry on here. 

 

all the rest you post about medical decisions between patients and their medical Dr' being hampered gives me cold sweats. Not meaning to repeat myself Im just being real with it 

Why would he have to fight with his last breath, Mup?  Is Cali in danger of turning red?   

[T&C]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Lions and Polar Bears eat their babies. They’d eat us also if given the chance.

Hence the word "virtually". Nice work.

[nedboy7]

You could be anti abortion and I get it to some degree.  Not sure how you support laws that force *****/raped teenagers to have the baby.  Or disgusting laws that allow people to sue others for getting an abortion creating a police state.  It is idiotic. 

[muppy]

8 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Why would he have to fight with his last breath, Mup?  Is Cali in danger of turning red?   

haha no It was an attempt by muppy to share how strongly he endorses abortion rights in cali

 

EDIT: can u envision a USA with no access to legal abortions? si o no.

Edited June 24, 2022 by muppy

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

You could be anti abortion and I get it to some degree.  Not sure how you support laws that force *****/raped teenagers to have the baby.  Or disgusting laws that allow people to sue others for getting an abortion creating a police state.  It is idiotic. 

 

Because it's about control.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, T&C said:

Hence the word "virtually". Nice work.

Not all humans have abortions.

[Big Blitz]

Me reading leftists talking about police states and control over you........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

Fun to see the cult enjoy this short term gain... but they ALL know, including Trump - that this is BAD and is not the end of it.

 

Trump Privately Called a Roe v. Wade Reversal ‘Bad’ for His Party

 

[Gene Frenkle]

Old men trying to claw back power in the twilight of their lives at any cost. Sad, but they will die soon and things will progress.

 

This court behaves like Newsmax addicts.

[The Frankish Reich]

37 minutes ago, T&C said:

Funny you mention this... I was thinking about it. As humans, the apex creature on this world, people are fighting to kill their unborn babies. Yet virtually every other creature on this world will go to great lengths to assure that their babies are taken care of pre and post birth and will defend them with their own lives if they have to. Such a distinct contrast.

You need to spend some more time with cats.

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Old men trying to claw back power in the twilight of their lives at any cost. Sad, but they will die soon and things will progress.

 

This court behaves like Newsmax addicts.

 

 

Do you know something about the experimental vaccine we were forced to take?

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Old men trying to claw back power in the twilight of their lives at any cost. Sad, but they will die soon and things will progress.

 

This court behaves like Newsmax addicts.

 

We're basically in a race to see if Boomers can install permanent minority rule before they die off and lose power. I think we're losing.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Do you know something about the experimental vaccine we were forced to take?

Can you confine this stream of consciousness to one of the many Covid threads?

[BillsFanNC]

 

Barrett 50

 

Kavanaugh  57

 

Gorsuch 54

[muppy]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

You need to spend some more time with cats.

YEP. I had 2 brother cats raised by bottle hand feeding.. momma ditched em with nary a backward glance.

[DrW]

41 minutes ago, T&C said:

Funny you mention this... I was thinking about it. As humans, the apex creature on this world, people are fighting to kill their unborn babies. Yet virtually every other creature on this world will go to great lengths to assure that their babies are taken care of pre and post birth and will defend them with their own lives if they have to. Such a distinct contrast.

 

What about our closest relatives?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_in_primates

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Old men trying to claw back power in the twilight of their lives at any cost. Sad, but they will die soon and things will progress.

 

This court behaves like Newsmax addicts.

This is 100% why they backed Trump. I’m interested to see what happens now that they don’t need him to overturn Roe V. Wade.

 

Most Republicans have been fighting for this their entire careers. Dems have been fighting for gun control. Nobody makes any sense, but they want what they want.

[Jauronimo]

Law and order

 

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion-and-crime-revisited/#:~:text=ABC%3A The Supreme Court today,legal in all 50 states.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 minutes ago, muppy said:

haha no It was an attempt by muppy to share how strongly he endorses abortion rights in cali

 

EDIT: can u envision a USA with no access to legal abortions? si o no.

No, as I said before, I never envisioned R v W being overturned nor the horror of late term abortions as mainstream talking point.  I'm a babe in the woods here, though I'm like 420 years old in dog years. 

 

Your governor is a super hero is search of a story line.  He doesn't have to fight to his next breath, let alone his last. We need less drama queens in public office seeking to divide.   

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Can you confine this stream of consciousness to one of the many Covid threads?

 

Not if they spectacularly illustrate the hypocrisy of the pro abortion arguments no.

 

[Jauronimo]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

Not if they spectacularly illustrate the hypocrisy of the pro abortion arguments no.

 

Well if you cannot post this in the appropriate thread can you at least make sure it is coherent?  

[T&C]

8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

You need to spend some more time with cats.

Well, there is one here that I wish was gifted to someone else. The hair shed is incredibly incredible.

[BillStime]

 

[Big Blitz]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This is 100% why they backed Trump. I’m interested to see what happens now that they don’t need him to overturn Roe V. Wade.

 

Most Republicans have been fighting for this their entire careers. Dems have been fighting for gun control. Nobody makes any sense, but they want what they want.

 

 

Boomers didn't vote for Trump (allegedly) lol omg - and they aren't as big a voting bloc anymore:

 

 

 

 

After decades of constituting the majority of voters, Baby Boomers and members of the Silent Generation made up less than half of the electorate in 2020 (44%), falling below the 52% they constituted in both 2016 and 2018. Gen Z and Millennial voters favored Biden over Trump by margins of about 20 points, while Gen Xers and Boomers were more evenly split in their preferences. Gen Z voters, those ages 23 and younger, constituted 8% of the electorate, while Millennials and Gen Xers made up 47% of 2020 voters.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

 

 

 

And btw really......we're already going to f.... old people (the over 65s who are watching their retirements get set on fire because Team Blue locked us down) they shouldn't count?  Ridiculous. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Big Blitz

[muppy]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

No, as I said before, I never envisioned R v W being overturned nor the horror of late term abortions as mainstream talking point.  I'm a babe in the woods here, though I'm like 420 years old in dog years. 

 

Your governor is a super hero is search of a story line.  He doesn't have to fight to his next breath, let alone his last. We need less drama queens in public office seeking to divide.   

You Know I am more moderate than most posters here. I look at the world with a lens that would rather seek peace and compromise instead of the constant gridlock and set in political sides butting heads.  Some issues are just not easy to compromise. Abortion is one of those areas. I kind of straddle the fence because being of the opinion that I hate abortion but vote for the right to choose. It is a position that I wish women wouldnt need to face nearly as often as does happen.

 

as far as politicos go yeah there are some watershed issues that guide a persons vote. Id have t choose the democrat because of issues like this one. I just dont feel the government has the right to say what I do with my own body.  I think he timing of when abortions are allowed to happen would be very valid compromise for women who aren't otherwise medically indicated

[Demongyz]

3 minutes ago, muppy said:

You Know I am more moderate than most posters here. I look at the world with a lens that would rather seek peace and compromise instead of the constant gridlock and set in political sides butting heads.  Some issues are just not easy to compromise. Abortion is one of those areas. I kind of straddle the fence because being of the opinion that I hate abortion but vote for the right to choose. It is a position that I wish women wouldnt need to face nearly as often as does happen.

 

as far as politicos go yeah there are some watershed issues that guide a persons vote. Id have t choose the democrat because of issues like this one. I just dont feel the government has the right to say what I do with my own body.  I think he timing of when abortions are allowed to happen would be very valid compromise for women who aren't otherwise medically indicated

I typically vote on 1A and 2A so never a Democrat.  I'm personally anti-abortion, but don't vote based on abortion.  I'm happy that it's going to be banned in many states and not happy that they will be killing 5 year olds in others, but the federal system exists for a reason and I support that.