Final Roster Predictions WRs

[Apocalypse Nuts]

Shakir above Austin, IMO though.  He has the chance to be this season's Gabriel Davis, IMO of course. OP has the right idea though I think.

[Draconator]

Diggs

Davis

Crowder

McKenzie

Shakir

Austin

Kumerow

 

I too am going with 7 WRs

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I used to think this, until I gave it some further thought. Hodgins has been hurt and hasn’t done much. But why would McB keep him around if they thought he was marginal at best? They must see something in him and are just waiting for him to get healthy. By all accounts he has been flashing in OTAs. Hodgins and Austin’s stock has been up. 

 

I'm sure they do see something in him. But I always thought that about him going as far back as the draft. Redzone contributor maybe. Between the 20s? Forget it. Doesn't separate. 

[Dr.Sack]

I could see us keeping 7, only if Kumerow’s role on ST can’t be replaced. 
 

Locks

#1 - Diggs 

#2 - Davis 
#3 - Crowder - PR/KR

#4 - McKenzie - PR/KR

#5 - Shakir - PR

 

Borderline

#6 Stevenson - PR/KR/Slot/Outside

#7 Austin - PR/KR/Slot/Outside 

#8 Kumerow - Outside/ST

#9 Hodgins - Outside/ST

[Starr Almighty]

11 hours ago, atomicpwrd said:

Diggs

Davis

Crowder

Austin

Shakir

Kumerow

 

McKenzie gets traded.  We have a glut of slot WRs, and Cook can also serve in that capacity.  Shakir can play inside or outside.  Austin stretches the field and returns kicks.

 

Hodgins and Stevenson to the practice squad.

You traded away lil dirty and kept Austin. I love this idea, only issue I have with this is that Austin sucks. Other than that I'm all for it.

7 hours ago, Apocalypse Nuts said:

Shakir above Austin, IMO though.  He has the chance to be this season's Gabriel Davis, IMO of course. OP has the right idea though I think.

Anyone above Austin in any opinion

[BillsFanForever19]

21 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I used to think this, until I gave it some further thought. Hodgins has been hurt and hasn’t done much. But why would McB keep him around if they thought he was marginal at best? They must see something in him and are just waiting for him to get healthy. By all accounts he has been flashing in OTAs. Hodgins and Austin’s stock has been up. 

 

Being signed to a "Futures" deal, removed from last year on the Practice Squad, following being cut after Training Camp doesn't scream to me "McB" having some great faith in him and keeping him around because they see something exceptional in him.

 

Do you feel the same way about Tanner Gentry? They released him after Training Camp, brought him back to the Practice Squad, and retained him on a Futures deal just the same as Hodgins.

Edited June 16, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

You traded away lil dirty and kept Austin. I love this idea, only issue I have with this is that Austin sucks. Other than that I'm all for it.

Anyone above Austin in any opinion

 

If Austin sticks it is as a return specialist that barely gets on the field otherwise - a la Andre Roberts. That is the job he has a shot to win. He has no shot as an actual receiver IMO. If they keep Austin possible they keep 7 receivers, but only if one of them is Jake Kumerow, because if Kumerow doesn't make it Taiwan Jones does and they are not keeping 4 running backs, plus Gilliam as a FB and 7 receivers. I can see a world where Austin is the return guy, Kumerow loses out and they keep 6 and Jones sticks or a world where Austin is the return guy, Kumerow is their gunner opposite Neal and they only keep 3 pure running backs (Singletary, Cook and Moss).

[LeGOATski]

43 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Austin sticks it is as a return specialist that barely gets on the field otherwise - a la Andre Roberts. That is the job he has a shot to win. He has no shot as an actual receiver IMO. If they keep Austin possible they keep 7 receivers, but only if one of them is Jake Kumerow, because if Kumerow doesn't make it Taiwan Jones does and they are not keeping 4 running backs, plus Gilliam as a FB and 7 receivers. I can see a world where Austin is the return guy, Kumerow loses out and they keep 6 and Jones sticks or a world where Austin is the return guy, Kumerow is their gunner opposite Neal and they only keep 3 pure running backs (Singletary, Cook and Moss).

Yup.

 

I've missed Andre "Return Man" Roberts, tbh...

[Starr Almighty]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Austin sticks it is as a return specialist that barely gets on the field otherwise - a la Andre Roberts. That is the job he has a shot to win. He has no shot as an actual receiver IMO. If they keep Austin possible they keep 7 receivers, but only if one of them is Jake Kumerow, because if Kumerow doesn't make it Taiwan Jones does and they are not keeping 4 running backs, plus Gilliam as a FB and 7 receivers. I can see a world where Austin is the return guy, Kumerow loses out and they keep 6 and Jones sticks or a world where Austin is the return guy, Kumerow is their gunner opposite Neal and they only keep 3 pure running backs (Singletary, Cook and Moss).

I believe you are thinking of Tavon Austin 2013-2017  158 returns 1324 yards 8.4 return avg and 3 TDS. The guy I am referring to is Tavon Austin 2018-present  32 returns 159 yards 4.9 avg return 0 TDs. I won't bother getting into his #'s as a WR because they are just plain embarrassing. His high career yardage is 509 yards in a season and he's had a total of 597 yards in the last 5 years. This man isn't making this roster.

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I believe you are thinking of Tavon Austin 2013-2017  158 returns 1324 yards 8.4 return avg and 3 TDS. The guy I am referring to is Tavon Austin 2018-present  32 returns 159 yards 4.9 avg return 0 TDs. I won't bother getting into his #'s as a WR because they are just plain embarrassing. His high career yardage is 509 yards in a season and he's had a total of 597 yards in the last 5 years. This man isn't making this roster.

 

So what we agree on:

 

1. Tavon Austin has no role to play here as a receiver;

2. He has not been a dynamic returner for a few years now. 

 

The reaon I disagree that he has no chance - the Bills have no returner. I like McKenzie and would leave him there and take the bad with the good but this staff has shied away from that. Stevenson is toast. He sucked last year and has had a brutal spring. So it is a wide open job that I don't think you need to be good to win. He wouldn't be in my 53 and I think he is an outsider to be on their 53 but he isn't without a chance. He is fighting in a wide open race. 

[YattaOkasan]

22 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I used to think this, until I gave it some further thought. Hodgins has been hurt and hasn’t done much. But why would McB keep him around if they thought he was marginal at best? They must see something in him and are just waiting for him to get healthy. By all accounts he has been flashing in OTAs. Hodgins and Austin’s stock has been up. 

they keep him around cause he costs nothing to keep.  he should flash in OTAs.  he doesnt handle the physical game well.  

21 hours ago, Rico said:

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie

Roster addition not on the team yet.

Kumerow

Shakir 

 

who are you signing with the small amount of money from cutting crowder?  You at least get 900k from cutting mckenzie.  i dont think either is going anywhere but at least we can get out of mckenzie's contract with some money back.  

[Rico]

Just now, YattaOkasan said:

they keep him around cause he costs nothing to keep.  he should flash in OTAs.  he doesnt handle the physical game well.  

who are you signing with the small amount of money from cutting crowder?  You at least get 900k from cutting mckenzie.  i dont think either is going anywhere but at least we can get out of mckenzie's contract with some money back.  

Don’t know right now, but it sure as hell won’t be another ex-Jet. 

[YattaOkasan]

Just now, Rico said:

Don’t know right now, but it sure as hell won’t be another ex-Jet. 

Based on financials crowder is pretty much a lock to me.

[Starr Almighty]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So what we agree on:

 

1. Tavon Austin has no role to play here as a receiver;

2. He has not been a dynamic returner for a few years now. 

 

The reaon I disagree that he has no chance - the Bills have no returner. I like McKenzie and would leave him there and take the bad with the good but this staff has shied away from that. Stevenson is toast. He sucked last year and has had a brutal spring. So it is a wide open job that I don't think you need to be good to win. He wouldn't be in my 53 and I think he is an outsider to be on their 53 but he isn't without a chance. He is fighting in a wide open race. 

Ok so we are pretty close in our thoughts. I do agree the return game needs to be upgraded. I just don't think Tavon is the answer to that need.

[BillsFanForever19]

22 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Ok so we are pretty close in our thoughts. I do agree the return game needs to be upgraded. I just don't think Tavon is the answer to that need.

 

That's fine that you feel that way. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But unfortunately for you - the Bills brass doesn't feel the same way because that's who they chose to bring in and compete with Marquez Stevenson. 

 

Austin claims he's been unhealthy the past few years and finally feels 100% It could be lip service, but he has reportedly looked good in OTA's and has a lot of supporters in the WR room. And I really don't think he could be any worse than Stevenson looked last year.

 

Long story short - you may not be a fan. But he definitely has a better chance of sticking than you're giving him credit for.

[Starr Almighty]

42 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That's fine that you feel that way. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But unfortunately for you - the Bills brass doesn't feel the same way because that's who they chose to bring in and compete with Marquez Stevenson. 

 

Austin claims he's been unhealthy the past few years and finally feels 100% It could be lip service, but he has reportedly looked good in OTA's and has a lot of supporters in the WR room. And I really don't think he could be any worse than Stevenson looked last year.

 

Long story short - you may not be a fan. But he definitely has a better chance of sticking than you're giving him credit for.

I'll repost the stats that I posted above just in case you missed it. I want you to explain how anyone would think this guy is a good player.

 

Tavon Austin 2013-2017  158 returns 1324 yards 8.4 return avg and 3 TDS. The guy I am referring to is Tavon Austin 2018-present  32 returns 159 yards 4.9 avg return 0 TDs. I won't bother getting into his #'s as a WR because they are just plain embarrassing. His high career yardage is 509 yards in a season and he's had a total of 597 yards in the last 5 years.

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So what we agree on:

 

1. Tavon Austin has no role to play here as a receiver;

2. He has not been a dynamic returner for a few years now. 

 

The reaon I disagree that he has no chance - the Bills have no returner. I like McKenzie and would leave him there and take the bad with the good but this staff has shied away from that. Stevenson is toast. He sucked last year and has had a brutal spring. So it is a wide open job that I don't think you need to be good to win. He wouldn't be in my 53 and I think he is an outsider to be on their 53 but he isn't without a chance. He is fighting in a wide open race. 

I don’t know how anyone could make this statement? Tavon Austin finally has 2 good QBs to work with (Allen and Keenum) and is 100% healthy. Austin has already caught 4 TDs in OTA/mini camp. He’s going to do it in real camp next month. I think Austin has enough talent and speed to become a serviceable WR here given who our QBs are. I absolutely would not be surprised to see a 600 yard season or more here this year. 

I personally think as a collective (Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder, and Austin) will be used a lot. We will see flashes of Shakir, but he will be introduced in slowly and I’m not expecting much contribution from him. 

[Milanos Milano]

Both Crowder and Austin will prove to us this year, that they are both good WRs that have had a relatively disappointing career because of bad QB play and or nagging injuries. 

Edited June 16, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[Milanos Milano]

This is where I see our receiving yards distribution this season. 

 

Diggs 1,300 

Davis  1,000 

Knox  700 

Crowder 700

McKenzie 700

Austin 600 

Cook 400 

 

I think this is where Allen elevates himself and comes close to Peyton’s record. 

Edited June 16, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[Milanos Milano]

I think a 5,000 yard season is very doable. 

[BillsFanForever19]

33 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I'll repost the stats that I posted above just in case you missed it. I want you to explain how anyone would think this guy is a good player.

 

Tavon Austin 2013-2017  158 returns 1324 yards 8.4 return avg and 3 TDS. The guy I am referring to is Tavon Austin 2018-present  32 returns 159 yards 4.9 avg return 0 TDs. I won't bother getting into his #'s as a WR because they are just plain embarrassing. His high career yardage is 509 yards in a season and he's had a total of 597 yards in the last 5 years.

 

That's not my point. You feel he's not the right guy for the job, is terrible, and has no business being here. And that's fine.

 

My point is that feeling is trumped by the Bills brass' feelings. They signed him and brought him in. They obviously don't concur with those thoughts. It's him or Stevenson. And if you've looked at the job Stevenson did last season, I don't know how you can be positive he gives them a better shot.

 

Austin hasn't been doing much in the way of Returns over the past few years, as evidenced by your numbers of 158 returns in his first 5 years compared to 32 over the past 4. He was used more as a gadget player over that time. He feels he's healthier now than he's been over that time and feels confident doing it again.

 

I'm not saying he's going to be an All Pro. But it boils down to him or Stevenson. I think you'd be foolhardy to say Stevenson is head and shoulders above him and has a 2/3 chance of winning the job.

[machine gun kelly]

On 6/15/2022 at 12:27 PM, IronMaidenBills said:

Give me your list predictions. Let’s see what the consensus is. 
 

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie

Crowder

Austin

Shakir 

Hodgins/Kumerow  the 7th WR battle imo. 

Maiden, if they throw Kumerow on the PS, with Green Bay light on WR’s, you know with Rodgers new increased

power, they’ll pick him up in a heartbeat.

[Milanos Milano]

Allen was on a whole other planet towards the end of the year. He hasn’t even hit his ceiling. I honestly think he ends up beating the passing yard seasonal record when his career is all set and done. He’s now just beginning to figure out the game completely and his numbers will reflect that this year. 

4 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Maiden, if they throw Kumerow on the PS, with Green Bay light on WR’s, you know with Rodgers new increased

power, they’ll pick him up in a heartbeat.

We likely keep Kumerow as the 7th WR as he is good in STs. Hodgins probably goes back to PS. 

[machine gun kelly]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Allen was on a whole other planet towards the end of the year. He hasn’t even hit his ceiling. I honestly think he ends up beating the passing yard seasonal record when his career is all set and done. He’s now just beginning to figure out the game completely and his numbers will reflect that this year. 

We likely keep Kumerow as the 7th WR as he is good in STs. Hodgins probably goes back to PS. 

 probably true.  Someone else write after you Kumerow to PS.  If we keep him inactive, but on the 53, then you’re right.

[Starr Almighty]

29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That's not my point. You feel he's not the right guy for the job, is terrible, and has no business being here. And that's fine.

 

My point is that feeling is trumped by the Bills brass' feelings. They signed him and brought him in. They obviously don't concur with those thoughts. It's him or Stevenson. And if you've looked at the job Stevenson did last season, I don't know how you can be positive he gives them a better shot.

 

Austin hasn't been doing much in the way of Returns over the past few years, as evidenced by your numbers of 158 returns in his first 5 years compared to 32 over the past 4. He was used more as a gadget player over that time. He feels he's healthier now than he's been over that time and feels confident doing it again.

 

I'm not saying he's going to be an All Pro. But it boils down to him or Stevenson. I think you'd be foolhardy to say Stevenson is head and shoulders above him and has a 2/3 chance of winning the job.

I'm saying they both suck. Hence why I said an upgrade is needed. His claim of being unhealthy for 5 years is kind of a stretch. He may be telling the truth cause he's a small guy in the sport. He was never that good to begin with. I doubt 9 years later after being just OK and then sucking, that something is going to change his ability to play football. 

[BillsFanForever19]

5 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I'm saying they both suck. Hence why I said an upgrade is needed. His claim of being unhealthy for 5 years is kind of a stretch. He may be telling the truth cause he's a small guy in the sport. He was never that good to begin with. I doubt 9 years later after being just OK and then sucking, that something is going to change his ability to play football. 

 

It's not going to happen. People wanted another Returner. They looked over who was available and decided on Tavon Austin. They're not going to bring in another WR/KR just because you don't like the guy they chose. The roster is at 89/90. If someone else is brought in, it will be at another position. 

Edited June 16, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[Milanos Milano]

6 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I'm saying they both suck. Hence why I said an upgrade is needed. His claim of being unhealthy for 5 years is kind of a stretch. He may be telling the truth cause he's a small guy in the sport. He was never that good to begin with. I doubt 9 years later after being just OK and then sucking, that something is going to change his ability to play football. 

He also didn’t have Josh Allen as his QB. His 4.34 speed still looks close and I have to imagine he has some ability left. Look what people said about Jerry Hughes. I’m not going to write off Austin just yet. If he can’t do anything with Josh Allen, then yeah, basically he will never be good. 

Edited June 16, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[BillsFanForever19]

26 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We likely keep Kumerow as the 7th WR as he is good in STs. Hodgins probably goes back to PS. 

 

Glad to see you came to your senses. Hodgins was a "Futures" return. He's a Camp Body and will be brought back on the Practice Squad, if he's lucky.

[Starr Almighty]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It's not going to happen. People wanted another Returner. They looked over who was available and decided on Tavon Austin. They're not going to bring in another WR/KR just because you don't like the guy they chose.

I never said I didn't like him and they would switch the player cause of me. What I said was that he's not good. I'd like you to say otherwise

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

He also didn’t have Josh Allen as his QB. His 4.34 speed still looks close and I have to imagine he has some ability left. Look what people said about Jerry Hughes. I’m not going to right off Austin just yet. If he can’t do anything with Josh Allen, then yeah, basically he will never be good. 

So you are saying Dak couldn't throw him the ball. I'd take DJax at his old age over this guy.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Starr Almighty said:

I never said I didn't like him and they would switch the player cause of me. What I said was that he's not good. I'd like you to say otherwise

So you are saying Dak couldn't throw him the ball. I'd take DJax at his old age over this guy.

He was hurt most of his time in Dallas. Even his second year, he didn’t play much as he was overcoming injuries. He also didn’t play in Green Bay. I’m not sure what happened in Jax, but I’m going to take Austin’s word for it. He says he is finally 100% healthy and feels like NFL draft night Austin. Given that he has been lighting it up so far in the offseason, I hold out an ounce of hope for him to actually contribute here. 

[Starr Almighty]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

He was hurt most of his time in Dallas. Even his second year, he didn’t play much as he was overcoming injuries. He also didn’t play in Green Bay. I’m not sure what happened in Jax, but I’m going to take Austin’s word for it. He says he is finally 100% healthy and feels like NFL draft night Austin. Given that he has been lighting it up so far in the offseason, I hold out an ounce of hope for him to actually contribute here. 

I will say this. If he makes the team. I hope he produces. Once he puts on the team Uni I'm on his side. But as of now I think he's a really bad player. I wouldn't mind being wrong if it means him returning some to the house for us and getting wins from it.

[BillsFanForever19]

39 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I never said I didn't like him and they would switch the player cause of me. What I said was that he's not good. I'd like you to say otherwise.

 

You said "an upgrade is needed". They felt Tavon Austin IS the upgrade or at least the guy for the competition with Marquez Stevenson. There's no point in sh-tting all over him and the position until we see what comes of it in Buffalo.

[Starr Almighty]

43 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You said "an upgrade is needed". They felt Tavon Austin IS the upgrade or at least the guy for the competition with Marquez Stevenson. There's no point in sh-tting all over him and the position until we see what comes of it in Buffalo.

Read what I wrote above your post. Also I'm going off of the last 5 seasons of complete nothing shown

[JerseyBills]

On 6/15/2022 at 12:27 PM, IronMaidenBills said:

Give me your list predictions. Let’s see what the consensus is. 
 

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie

Crowder

Austin

Shakir 

Hodgins/Kumerow  the 7th WR battle imo. 

Stevenson over Austin. 

I'm telling yall, the kid is going to have a role on this team

[Airseven]

Diggs

Davis

Crowder

McKenzie

Kumerow

Shakir

 

That’s it. That’s the list.

[Deadstroke]

20 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

I believe you are thinking of Tavon Austin 2013-2017  158 returns 1324 yards 8.4 return avg and 3 TDS. The guy I am referring to is Tavon Austin 2018-present  32 returns 159 yards 4.9 avg return 0 TDs. I won't bother getting into his #'s as a WR because they are just plain embarrassing. His high career yardage is 509 yards in a season and he's had a total of 597 yards in the last 5 years. This man isn't making this roster.

I think what you're missing is WHY did they sign him.  If his return average stinks and he is just plain embarrassing as a WR, then just why did the Bills bring him in?  Bills hierachy just plain stupid?  Or maybe they see very high possibilities, like what he's showing in the workouts now.

[Estro]

Diggs

Davis

Shakir

Crowder 

McKenzie

Kumerow

Austin

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Stevenson over Austin. 

I'm telling yall, the kid is going to have a role on this team

 

If that is true he might wanna start catching something soon. The ball would be a start. 

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, Estro said:

Diggs

Davis

Shakir

Crowder 

McKenzie

Kumerow

Austin

That would be my prediction.  

 

Shakir, because everything they've said about him makes it seem they won't want to risk losing him by a move to the practice squad.

 

McKenzie, because every year I predict he'll get cut, and every year I'm wrong.  McDermott likes him, he useful in a lot of roles.  

 

Kumerow, because of the contract move they just made with him.   Makes me think he's approaching lock-status because of his special teams play.  

 

Austin because as someone just said, there's a reason the Bills signed him.  I think that reason is that they value his work ethic and attitude, and they think by defining Austin's role properly, they can better play out of him than what the league has seen so far.  They think they can get him to play the best football of his life.  

 

Shakir, McKenzie, Austin, and Stevenson are in a traffic jam.  From my point of view, I want someone to emerge is a solid return man, someone you can put back there and not have to worry about ball security.  McDermott didn't want to trust Stevenson, a rookie, returning kicks last season, and I doubt he'll want to trust Shakir this season.   McKenzie and Stevenson make me nervous, and that's where I expect Austin has an edge.  He has a lot experience, and if he may offer the ball security the others don't.  That would make him a lock.  (I think the guy you want to return punts is someone (1) who will not lose the ball, and (2) who has the potential to make tacklers miss.  They all have (2) - ball security is paramount).   Unless he shows a lot more than he has, I don't see Stevenson being able to take a spot from any of the others. 

 

 

[Starr Almighty]

3 hours ago, Deadstroke said:

I think what you're missing is WHY did they sign him.  If his return average stinks and he is just plain embarrassing as a WR, then just why did the Bills bring him in?  Bills hierachy just plain stupid?  Or maybe they see very high possibilities, like what he's showing in the workouts now.

They are far from stupid. BUT there was not much out there and we are in the situation where it couldnt get any worse than it was. So sign a speed guy and hope he shows something. There is nowhere to go but up, thats how bad it was.