New "ironclad" Stadium deal reached

[cba fan]

4 hours ago, nucci said:

if they had an individual owner who wanted to move the team to a bigger market, I'm sure they could get the votes needed

Packers are a corporation owned by the public via stock with no resell rights.

 

It is set up that they can not move. They could only dissolve the corporation and no longer exist. Players would be dispersed in draft. Or maybe they would make a rule they can go to new expansion team. 

NFL grandfathered them in and no other franchise is allowed to be public. NFL hates it as their business books are visible to the public as Packers must disclose financials being a corporation. This allows good insight into how all the other teams operate.

 

If they dissolve NFL would have a windfall. As they immediately likely award an expansion franchise for Billions to keep scheduling proper. 

 

There is debate if Packers can move is ongoing. I believe they would never get the votes from the 537k shareholders to approve a move as vast majority are Packer fans. But dissolve is a way around it maybe. But those pesky fans votes stand in the way.

Edited March 16, 2023 by cba fan

[Buffalo Super Fan]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

Agree but point I was trying to make was about poster saying NFL probably wouldn't approve the Bills moving if sold after stadium was built. I disagreed with that

Your assumption is that the NFL has all it’s franchises in one whole league like it is? What if the top 10 US populations NFL teams want to go Global instead of Green Bay, Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland? The Los Angeles and the Dallas owners could do it and there is little Terry Pegula can do about it either meet the minimum standard requirements of NFL Global League or he is out most likely given a buyout like the minor league baseball contractions to take the money than given the choice of running NFL2 domestic league or just folding the Buffalo Bills franchise. The NFL Global League can do that the Buffalo Bills need to meet the requirements like the Buffalo Bisons did or get contracted like the New York Penn League and Batavia Mutdogs went bye, bye. No Federal or Local Government is stopping that. They will huff and puff for political grandstanding but the sports business industry will do what they want and no one is stopping them. Just remember that keep up financially or get out is there business practices in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[nucci]

14 minutes ago, cba fan said:

Packers are a corporation owned by the public via stock with no resell rights.

 

It is set up that they can not move. They could only dissolve the corporation and no longer exist. Players would be dispersed in draft. Or maybe they would make a rule they can go to new expansion team. 

NFL grandfathered them in and no other franchise is allowed to be public. NFL hates it as their business books are visible to the public as Packers must disclose financials being a corporation. This allows good insight into how all the other teams operate.

 

If they dissolve NFL would have a windfall. As they immediately likely award an expansion franchise for Billions to keep scheduling proper. 

 

There is debate if Packers can move is ongoing. I believe they would never get the votes from the 537k shareholders to approve a move as vast majority are Packer fans. But dissolve is a way around it maybe. But those pesky fans votes stand in the way.

it's why I said if they had an individual owner

[cba fan]

11 minutes ago, nucci said:

it's why I said if they had an individual owner

lol....i guess you did.......my bad

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Your assumption is that the NFL has all it’s franchises in one whole league like it is? What if the top 10 US populations NFL teams want to go Global instead of Green Bay, Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland? The Los Angeles and the Dallas owners could do it and there is little Terry Pegula can do about it either meet the minimum standard requirements of NFL Global League or he is out most likely given a buyout like the minor league baseball contractions to take the money than given the choice of running NFL2 domestic league or just folding the Buffalo Bills franchise. The NFL Global League can do that the Buffalo Bills need to meet the requirements like the Buffalo Bisons did or get contracted like the New York Penn League and Batavia Mutdogs went bye, bye. No Federal or Local Government is stopping that. They will huff and puff for political grandstanding but the sports business industry will do what they want and no one is stopping them. Just remember that keep up financially or get out is there business practices in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

Well, Bills fans in WNY better jump through as many folding tables as possible while they still can...

 

Seriously though, a similar attempt to start a sort of super league was recently put to rest, at least for the time being, in European soccer. The public outrage that followed once the proposal came to light simply outmatched any financial incentives.

 

The international push from the NFL will likely entail more and more games played abroad by US-based teams. If those "internationalisation" efforts go according to plan, you may end up in a situation in which a team like Buffalo could one day have a larger (extended) fan base than one based in Houston or Atlanta. Sure, some people abroad may still be fascinated by the appeal, real or perceived, of locations such as LA or Miami, and therefore be inclined to become fans of their teams, but generally speaking a dude sitting in Frankfurt, London or Tokyo couldn't care less.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Again even Ralph Wilson said that was out of his hands. The Buffalo Bills are here because they are profitable for now and New York State gave the money for a new Buffalo Bills stadium. No owners will is changing that regardless. The seller and NFL both have to be satisfied with a NFL teams sale price. So the NFL owners aren’t going to allow Buffalo to keep the Bills on some lowball offer because of a owners will clause that just isn’t realistic or reality. Stan Kronke just picked up and moved same with Al Davis, same with Bud Adams, same with Robert Issay. It doesn’t matter if a city doesn’t pay the blackmail they are out especially in cities like the size of Buffalo, Cleveland and Pittsburgh. If Austin, Texas grew into Toronto size sure the Buffalo Bills could potentially be moved.
 

I will say this watch out because New York State is completely in the Buffalo Bills house now stadium decisions now not Erie County. Watch YouTube the videos on future skyscrapers being built or planned in the United States and Toronto. The Buffalo Bills are in trouble regardless. Look at Los Angeles, Chicago and New York. We have some Buffalo Bills fans saying Chicago is losing the Chicago Bears it’s too late for Soldiers Field? I would agree for the Bears there gone to the suburbs. But look at Chicago 2030 to 2050 forget the propaganda news politics from both political parties on television. Look at the skyscrapers or as the late Ralph Wilson said about those all those cranes in Toronto. I believe Chicago will get a second NFL team. I also believe New York City might get one maybe two NFL teams. Los Angeles and San Francisco Bay Area will get at least one maybe two NFL teams in the case of Los Angeles. Look at Los Angeles 2050 it looks like New York City skyscrapers. There population will continue to grow Buffalo’s population growth rate isn’t great. Does that look like Buffalo fits in a league like that? Or Cleveland? Or Pittsburgh? Again the NFL is a business they go where the population and money is.
 

I don’t believe Buffalo is out of professional football business but in the Globalization of the NFL we are falling very behind. The Pegula children aren’t going to be able to run the Buffalo Bills against NFL Global teams with huge corporations paying huge dollars for teams. I think the Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns and Pittsburgh Steelers will be in major professional leagues but dropped by NFL Global League to small domestic leagues like the NFL itself running it or farmed out to a USFL, XFL and CFL or whoever is open still or not invited into NFL Global League with multiple Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Houston, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, Detroit, Dallas, Denver, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington, Toronto, London, Munich, Mexico City, Tokyo as possible candidates for NFL Global League. Then the rest of the NFL downgraded to domestic leagues or regional leagues the in US and Canada traveling by bus no PSL’s no thrills football. 
 

So I guess at least the New Buffalo Bills stadium will be affordable with no PSL’s if that happens potentially for the Bills fans or whatever the downgrade Buffalo football franchise nickname the Buffalo football team is called. Terry Pegula will have no say because the NFL isn’t shutting him or the Buffalo Bills down just the global major US and Canadian cities are running away from domestic NFL for the NFL Global Super League the Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns like the Minor League Baseball contractions or forced to Independent baseball like the Batavia Mutdogs because they couldn’t meet minimum requirements to stay in organized affiliate baseball but this time football. Syracuse Orange football has been downgraded. What? No it hasn’t been keep telling yourself that Syracuse football fan your a Group of Five football school economically you aren’t running with Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Penn State, Texas and USC to name a few. The Buffalo Bisons met the new requirements Batavia didn’t. What? I know go to bed BSF. Wake up Buffalo Bills fans there is no lease and no owners will that is stopping sports business progress. Buffalo doesn’t run economically in these circles since 1950. Syracuse Orange football doesn’t run in Power 5 football circles anymore that is reality. Buffalo is the Batavia of the NFL today think about it not with you heart your business mind we don’t belong we can thank our area business and political leaders for that all corrupt which is unfortunate. But I am a sports fan I will survive with the Buffalo Bills downgrade it’s coming sooner than Bills fans think 15 to 20 years will go bye like that. Don’t tell me Sean McDermott just needs time for a Super Bowl championship Buffalo Bills don’t have more than 18 to 20 years left in major NFL before we are contracted from the NFL Global League. Then the Buffalo Bills are on the bus to play the Cleveland Browns in the NFL split off smaller domestic bus league think MAC UB Bulls football for the Buffalo Bills in the NFL while the Dallas Cowboys are in NFL Global playing the London Monarchs. Remember when we used to play the Dallas Cowboys and Buffalo Bills were really big? Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah remember when we use to play the Boston Celtics and the Buffalo Braves were really big in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

The bills are never leaving 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Your assumption is that the NFL has all it’s franchises in one whole league like it is? What if the top 10 US populations NFL teams want to go Global instead of Green Bay, Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland? The Los Angeles and the Dallas owners could do it and there is little Terry Pegula can do about it either meet the minimum standard requirements of NFL Global League or he is out most likely given a buyout like the minor league baseball contractions to take the money than given the choice of running NFL2 domestic league or just folding the Buffalo Bills franchise. The NFL Global League can do that the Buffalo Bills need to meet the requirements like the Buffalo Bisons did or get contracted like the New York Penn League and Batavia Mutdogs went bye, bye. No Federal or Local Government is stopping that. They will huff and puff for political grandstanding but the sports business industry will do what they want and no one is stopping them. Just remember that keep up financially or get out is there business practices in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

[Dr. Who]

41 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The bills are never leaving 

Buffalo Superfan made another prolix post asserting that Terry Pegula should be in jail because of the public money devoted to the new stadium. I feel like his day job is walking around with a signboard announcing the end of the world.

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Buffalo Superfan made another prolix post asserting that Terry Pegula should be in jail because of the public money devoted to the new stadium. I feel like his day job is walking around with a signboard announcing the end of the world.

THE END IS NEAR REPENT.....like that kinda sandwich sign dude guy...except THE  BILLS ARE LEAVING INVEST

 

lol great visual but I'm not buying that either.

 

m

Edited March 16, 2023 by muppy

[Locomark]

On 3/28/2022 at 10:27 AM, Herb Nightly said:

I think they plan to keep the SEATS covered

Everyone gets a large brimmed Cap as part of the PSL. That’s your cover…..

[Locomark]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Again even Ralph Wilson said that was out of his hands. The Buffalo Bills are here because they are profitable for now and New York State gave the money for a new Buffalo Bills stadium. No owners will is changing that regardless. The seller and NFL both have to be satisfied with a NFL teams sale price. So the NFL owners aren’t going to allow Buffalo to keep the Bills on some lowball offer because of a owners will clause that just isn’t realistic or reality. Stan Kronke just picked up and moved same with Al Davis, same with Bud Adams, same with Robert Issay. It doesn’t matter if a city doesn’t pay the blackmail they are out especially in cities like the size of Buffalo, Cleveland and Pittsburgh. If Austin, Texas grew into Toronto size sure the Buffalo Bills could potentially be moved.
 

I will say this watch out because New York State is completely in the Buffalo Bills house now stadium decisions now not Erie County. Watch YouTube the videos on future skyscrapers being built or planned in the United States and Toronto. The Buffalo Bills are in trouble regardless. Look at Los Angeles, Chicago and New York. We have some Buffalo Bills fans saying Chicago is losing the Chicago Bears it’s too late for Soldiers Field? I would agree for the Bears there gone to the suburbs. But look at Chicago 2030 to 2050 forget the propaganda news politics from both political parties on television. Look at the skyscrapers or as the late Ralph Wilson said about those all those cranes in Toronto. I believe Chicago will get a second NFL team. I also believe New York City might get one maybe two NFL teams. Los Angeles and San Francisco Bay Area will get at least one maybe two NFL teams in the case of Los Angeles. Look at Los Angeles 2050 it looks like New York City skyscrapers. There population will continue to grow Buffalo’s population growth rate isn’t great. Does that look like Buffalo fits in a league like that? Or Cleveland? Or Pittsburgh? Again the NFL is a business they go where the population and money is.
 

I don’t believe Buffalo is out of professional football business but in the Globalization of the NFL we are falling very behind. The Pegula children aren’t going to be able to run the Buffalo Bills against NFL Global teams with huge corporations paying huge dollars for teams. I think the Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns and Pittsburgh Steelers will be in major professional leagues but dropped by NFL Global League to small domestic leagues like the NFL itself running it or farmed out to a USFL, XFL and CFL or whoever is open still or not invited into NFL Global League with multiple Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Houston, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, Detroit, Dallas, Denver, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington, Toronto, London, Munich, Mexico City, Tokyo as possible candidates for NFL Global League. Then the rest of the NFL downgraded to domestic leagues or regional leagues the in US and Canada traveling by bus no PSL’s no thrills football. 
 

So I guess at least the New Buffalo Bills stadium will be affordable with no PSL’s if that happens potentially for the Bills fans or whatever the downgrade Buffalo football franchise nickname the Buffalo football team is called. Terry Pegula will have no say because the NFL isn’t shutting him or the Buffalo Bills down just the global major US and Canadian cities are running away from domestic NFL for the NFL Global Super League the Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns like the Minor League Baseball contractions or forced to Independent baseball like the Batavia Mutdogs because they couldn’t meet minimum requirements to stay in organized affiliate baseball but this time football. Syracuse Orange football has been downgraded. What? No it hasn’t been keep telling yourself that Syracuse football fan your a Group of Five football school economically you aren’t running with Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Penn State, Texas and USC to name a few. The Buffalo Bisons met the new requirements Batavia didn’t. What? I know go to bed BSF. Wake up Buffalo Bills fans there is no lease and no owners will that is stopping sports business progress. Buffalo doesn’t run economically in these circles since 1950. Syracuse Orange football doesn’t run in Power 5 football circles anymore that is reality. Buffalo is the Batavia of the NFL today think about it not with you heart your business mind we don’t belong we can thank our area business and political leaders for that all corrupt which is unfortunate. But I am a sports fan I will survive with the Buffalo Bills downgrade it’s coming sooner than Bills fans think 15 to 20 years will go bye like that. Don’t tell me Sean McDermott just needs time for a Super Bowl championship Buffalo Bills don’t have more than 18 to 20 years left in major NFL before we are contracted from the NFL Global League. Then the Buffalo Bills are on the bus to play the Cleveland Browns in the NFL split off smaller domestic bus league think MAC UB Bulls football for the Buffalo Bills in the NFL while the Dallas Cowboys are in NFL Global playing the London Monarchs. Remember when we used to play the Dallas Cowboys and Buffalo Bills were really big? Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah remember when we use to play the Boston Celtics and the Buffalo Braves were really big in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

This is a pretty far fetched opinion. There will be teams spread into London and Munich some day but your thought that this will become some form of rollerball global league is not founded. I live in Chicago and no one clamors for 2 NFL teams. 
IMO Buffalo is blowing it by not committing and supporting its fandom also to a full blown division 1 football, basketball, and hockey program that could get into a real conference like the ACC or Big East or Big Ten. Many of the NCAAs hottest markets don’t have pro teams. Alabama..Ohio State..Cincinnati…Gonzaga…Oregon..Kansas…Nebraska.   That should be where you concentrate. Instead great UB teams and coaches come and go after 2 years of success so they can play for a better conference. UB and the state needs to make that commitment along with Buffalo and its community. Build a great smaller venue in Amherst (because no major college team plays off their campus) and a commitment to a better conference and to basketball, hockey, football. As an aside, how this major US hockey community 15 minutes from Canada has no major top 20 hockey college hockey program near Buffalo every year(no not Niagara) is embarrassing to me when I was raised on a rink there. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Locomark

[Mr. WEO]

On 1/27/2023 at 7:12 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Reached by QMI Agency on Monday, this expert adviser on team acquisitions and stadium development said the clause is "a big problem" for anyone wanting to buy the Bills franchise with the intention of relocating it.

 

"I think the language is very direct. It's not cute. It's very in-your-face. I think people did not focus in on the sale part of the agreement; just on the non-relocation part."
 

It would be near impossible with their clause for a team to buy the bills… Lie, saying they have no intention to relocate and then moving them within 5 to 10 years

 

They do way too much due diligence to let anything like that happen And the sale clause prevented it

 

Nobody who bought the bills from Ralph’s estate was going to move them… Pegula can ensure the same

 

Pegula threatened to move the team if he didn't get this stadium built for him...

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Pegula threatened to move the team if he didn't get this stadium built for him...

There is 1000 junk articles with no verifiable sources

 

Give me one verifiable link from Terry Pegula where he threatened to move the bills

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

There is 1000 junk articles with no verifiable sources

 

Give me one verifiable link from Terry Pegula where he threatened to move the bills

 

This was quoted everywhere at the time:

 

"The Pegulas have made a proposal," PSE spokesperson Jim Wilkinson said in mid-August, per Marlee Tuskes of Buffalo's WIVB Channel 4.

"They would like to build it right there [in Orchard Park], and we need to hear back. You can't really do plans and designs on things until you have a deal, and right now the City of Buffalo and the state are going to have to decide if they want a team."

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This was quoted everywhere at the time:

 

"The Pegulas have made a proposal," PSE spokesperson Jim Wilkinson said in mid-August, per Marlee Tuskes of Buffalo's WIVB Channel 4.

"They would like to build it right there [in Orchard Park], and we need to hear back. You can't really do plans and designs on things until you have a deal, and right now the City of Buffalo and the state are going to have to decide if they want a team."

That’s not threatening to move the team Lol Like Ralph… He’s saying the city and state have to pay… They need to decide how much they want the bills… 
 

Pegula basically said I WANT IT in Orchard Park… Now it’s your turn to show how much you want it

 

Where does it say I will move the team?

 

Terry wasn’t paying for the stadium majority… Neither did Ralph…. 

 

The city and state needed to decide how much they wanted the bills

 

If they want the bills , pay for the stadium… That is still not saying give me my stadium or I’m leaving

 

Because he never said I will leave

 

That’s Called playing hardball…. That is absolutely not a threat to leave because he never said the words leave

 

he Put it on the state and city

Edited March 17, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

That’s not threatening to move the team Lol

 

Where does it say I will move the team?

 

Terry wasn’t paying for the stadium majority… Neither did Ralph…. 

 

The city and state needed to decide how much they wanted the bills

 

If they want the bills , pay for the stadium… That is still not saying give me my stadium or I’m leaving

 

Because he never said I will leave

 

That’s Called playing hardball…. That is absolutely not a threat to leave because he never said the words leave

 

Well everyone who read that as a "hardball" tactic--but it is clearly a threat. He didn't say: "the City and State have to decide how much of the tab they are going to pick up for this new stadium"----he said they need to decide whether they even "want a team" in Buffalo.

 

What would not having a team look like?  Why would he even bring up "wanting a team" in Buffalo if there was no chance they ever move?

 

This isn't as hard as you are pretending to make it.  The guy said what he said.  

 

 

[RG Murdock]

Fabulous News!!!!! Bills were almost gone a half dozen times at least. Be nice to have a stadium with super-wide concourses, where your also protected from the cold and wind. Decent food restaurants, and giant restrooms, Fabulous giant sized 4K high definition video screens. Welcome to the NFL Bills fans... If not for the legend of the Bills mafia, they'd be long gone!!!.... And the Pegulas and Ralph of course as well..  

[Buffalo716]

29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Well everyone who read that as a "hardball" tactic--but it is clearly a threat. He didn't say: "the City and State have to decide how much of the tab they are going to pick up for this new stadium"----he said they need to decide whether they even "want a team" in Buffalo.

 

What would not having a team look like?  Why would he even bring up "wanting a team" in Buffalo if there was no chance they ever move?

 

This isn't as hard as you are pretending to make it.  The guy said what he said.  

 

 

He never threatened to move the bills

 

At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… 

 

He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable

 

Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium

 

That’s just a fact it’s not a threat

 

You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage 

Edited March 17, 2023 by Buffalo716

[SoCal Deek]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He never threatened to move the bills

 

At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… 

 

He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable

 

Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium

 

That’s just a fact it’s not a threat

 

You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage 

It’s interesting, I read it more like he’s saying they needed to decide how much   they wanted it in the City of Buffalo (downtown) versus in the State at large…thus Orchard Park

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s interesting, I read it more like he’s saying they needed to decide how much   they wanted it in the City of Buffalo (downtown) versus in the State at large…thus Orchard Park

You can also read it like that which is perfectly acceptable

 

And that makes a lot of sense

 

The stadium downtown would’ve been close to $1 billion more after infrastructure changes…The state and city would’ve needed to foot a lot more

Edited March 17, 2023 by Buffalo716

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

There is 1000 junk articles with no verifiable sources

 

Give me one verifiable link from Terry Pegula where he threatened to move the bills

 

Well, for starters, Kim is on record as stating that they couldn't afford a stadium because they had a lifestyle to maintain.  That was in fact said by her.  It was nested in an article(s) way back at the onset of this.  It may have been only one, I don't know, but just like 30 articles all stating the same thing go up after we sign a player, so too it got around.  

 

They've made it clear that it was a passive threat.  

 

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, for starters, Kim is on record as stating that they couldn't afford a stadium because they had a lifestyle to maintain.  That was in fact said by her.  It was nested in an article(s) way back at the onset of this.  It may have been only one, I don't know, but just like 30 articles all stating the same thing go up after we sign a player, so too it got around.  

 

They've made it clear that it was a passive threat.  

 

As already mentioned 1000 times

 

Ralph Wilson did not pay for the stadium… It is owned by the county

 

a precedent Was set

 

Terry tied up most of his liquid assets in purchasing the bills… It was always well known that the county and state would have to pay most of the stadium

 

Reiterating that is not a threat

 

There is not one fortune 500 company in Buffalo… Not one fortune 500 company

And Terry Pegula does not own the current stadium… Just like Ralph Doesn’t own it

 

He showed how much he wanted the bills by paying over $1 billion for them… His commitment to Buffalo is clear with the Ownership of all three teams

 

Telling the county and state it’s your time to show how much you want to team is not a threat… Because they had to pony up

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

He never threatened to move the bills

 

At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… 

 

He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable

 

Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium

 

That’s just a fact it’s not a threat

 

You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage 

meant the Bills…how?  Why would he ask that?  Of course Buffalo wants the Bills.  If it’s not a threat to move the team then how does it act as “hardball” “business move” ?   

 

It is, as you have finally come around to,  a veiled threat….to love the team.  PSE put that out there unprompted.  
 

He didn’t say “The Bills will never leave Buffalo. Let’s work this out”. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

meant the Bills…how?  Why would he ask that?  Of course Buffalo wants the Bills.  If it’s not a threat to move the team then how does it act as “hardball” “business move” ?   

 

It is, as you have finally come around to,  a veiled threat….to love the team.  PSE put that out there unprompted.  
 

He didn’t say “The Bills will never leave Buffalo. Let’s work this out”. 

A Veiled threat It’s completely different than a real threat 

 

Hence the separate definition

 

It’s to make the state get in gear… It’s not serious

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

He never threatened to move the bills

 

At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… 

 

He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable

 

Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium

 

That’s just a fact it’s not a threat

 

You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage 

 

Here's an article about three years ago, referencing the aforementioned.  The exact quote was somewhere, but if you're handy with Google I'm sure you can fid it if you really want to.  

 

Also, these are statements based upon people that met with the Pegulas for varying reasons.  Read between the lines.  It's not like they're going to come right out and say, either the state and county pony up or we're moving the team elsewhere.  How stupid would that be on their part.  If you don't like this source there were dozens of others, probably the BN too.  

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2887710-report-bills-owner-kim-pegula-talked-budget-cuts-sought-to-maintain-lifestyle 

 

Here's one of her exact quotes from a BN piece;  “I don’t even know if we can get there,” the team’s co-owner told The Buffalo News while attending the NFL spring meeting. “I know fans in Buffalo don’t want higher ticket prices, they don’t want PSLs (personal seat licenses). The state doesn’t want to give you any money, the city doesn’t ... We don’t have a billion-and-a-half dollars sitting around. We used it to buy the team.”  

 

That's from this piece three years ago;  https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/kim-pegula-on-new-bills-stadium-i-dont-even-know-if-we-can-get-there/article_c577fdb3-66dc-51ae-adee-eb4031f9de0f.html 

 

And here's an interesting piece that doesn't exactly paint the Pegulas out to be George Bailey;   https://theathletic.com/1758235/2020/04/20/as-pegulas-face-business-challenges-employees-describe-a-toxic-culture-at-pse/

 

Here's a page from their presentation that clearly depicts the Bills as being subservient to the things above it.  

 

 

Do with it as you like, not trying to stir up trouble, but any notions that the Pegulas would bend over backwards to keep this team in Buffalo were outdated at least three years ago.  It's beyond clear that their own financial (and other) interests in the matter supercede those of the Bills, their fans, the state, or county.  

 

 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Here's an article about three years ago, referencing the aforementioned.  The exact quote was somewhere, but if you're handy with Google I'm sure you can fid it if you really want to.  

 

Also, these are statements based upon people that met with the Pegulas for varying reasons.  Read between the lines.  It's not like they're going to come right out and say, either the state and county pony up or we're moving the team elsewhere.  How stupid would that be on their part.  If you don't like this source there were dozens of others, probably the BN too.  

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2887710-report-bills-owner-kim-pegula-talked-budget-cuts-sought-to-maintain-lifestyle 

 

Here's one of her exact quotes from a BN piece;  “I don’t even know if we can get there,” the team’s co-owner told The Buffalo News while attending the NFL spring meeting. “I know fans in Buffalo don’t want higher ticket prices, they don’t want PSLs (personal seat licenses). The state doesn’t want to give you any money, the city doesn’t ... We don’t have a billion-and-a-half dollars sitting around. We used it to buy the team.”  

 

That's from this piece three years ago;  https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/kim-pegula-on-new-bills-stadium-i-dont-even-know-if-we-can-get-there/article_c577fdb3-66dc-51ae-adee-eb4031f9de0f.html 

 

And here's an interesting piece that doesn't exactly paint the Pegulas out to be George Bailey;   https://theathletic.com/1758235/2020/04/20/as-pegulas-face-business-challenges-employees-describe-a-toxic-culture-at-pse/

 

Here's a page from their presentation that clearly depicts the Bills as being subservient to the things above it.  

 

 

Do with it as you like, not trying to stir up trouble, but any notions that the Pegulas would bend over backwards to keep this team in Buffalo were outdated at least three years ago.  It's beyond clear that their own financial (and other) interests in the matter supercede those of the Bills, their fans, the state, or county.  

 

 

There’s been plenty of owners who threaten things without having to read between the lines

 

 

If I have to read between the lines it’s not a real threat

 

And they would never be able to keep the Sabres if they sold the bills… It would be mutiny in Buffalo

 

And Terry’s not selling his beloved Sabres

Edited March 17, 2023 by Buffalo716

[PBF81]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

meant the Bills…how?  Why would he ask that?  Of course Buffalo wants the Bills.  If it’s not a threat to move the team then how does it act as “hardball” “business move” ?   

 

It is, as you have finally come around to,  a veiled threat….to love the team.  PSE put that out there unprompted.  
 

He didn’t say “The Bills will never leave Buffalo. Let’s work this out”. 

 

And where is he now?  His stone silence in all of this is concerning.  

 

Here's what he did say, he did say that he was not extending the current lease at Rich until a formal agreement was signed for a new stadium.  

 

Here's the rub, all of the articles in the meantime have plainly stated that the lease extensions would be a series of 1-year extensions.  So sign one already for just one year.  How long can they push this without a lease going into the fall?  Have they worked it out behind the scenes that on such and such a date one will be signed regardless?  Who knows.  

 

I'm not saying that it's not getting done, but there sure is a lot of weird stuff going on a few months before training camps begin, and what, about 4 months before preseason games begin.  

 

You know how many times we've heard "next 30 days" about finalizing things.  We were told that this was "Iron-clad" a year ago, a year, and they're still bickering with each other now over who's fault that it is that it hasn't been done already.  Then they tell us that there's a meeting for "final approval" but then after the meeting they say that it still has to go through other approvals.  Then it wasn't final, was it.  LOL   

 

 

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There’s been plenty of owners who threaten things without having to read between the lines

 

If I have to read between the lines it’s not a real threat

 

And they would never be able to keep the Sabres if they sold the bills… It would be mutiny in Buffalo

 

And Terry’s not selling his beloved Sabres

 

BTW, not arguing with you, just providing info that you claim didn't exist.  

 

You say "his beloved Sabres," but here's the rub, Kim meant the world to him.  Terry's no spring chicken, that's why he was happy to have her run the team.  But that's not possible anymore.  At the end of the day neither you, I, nor anyone else but him knows what he's thinking.  He wouldn't be the first person in history to cash it all in over a spouse's condition.  

 

Again, not arguing, I myself and somewhere between perplexed and concerned about the entire thing.  It's taken way longer than they said.  Not sure you remember, but originally they said that they wanted to break ground during this past season.  Then it was March, now it's June.  We're pushing a year here.  

 

[Buffalo716]

54 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

And where is he now?  His stone silence in all of this is concerning.  

 

Here's what he did say, he did say that he was not extending the current lease at Rich until a formal agreement was signed for a new stadium.  

 

Here's the rub, all of the articles in the meantime have plainly stated that the lease extensions would be a series of 1-year extensions.  So sign one already for just one year.  How long can they push this without a lease going into the fall?  Have they worked it out behind the scenes that on such and such a date one will be signed regardless?  Who knows.  

 

I'm not saying that it's not getting done, but there sure is a lot of weird stuff going on a few months before training camps begin, and what, about 4 months before preseason games begin.  

 

You know how many times we've heard "next 30 days" about finalizing things.  We were told that this was "Iron-clad" a year ago, a year, and they're still bickering with each other now over who's fault that it is that it hasn't been done already.  Then they tell us that there's a meeting for "final approval" but then after the meeting they say that it still has to go through other approvals.  Then it wasn't final, was it.  LOL   

 

 

 

BTW, not arguing with you, just providing info that you claim didn't exist.  

 

You say "his beloved Sabres," but here's the rub, Kim meant the world to him.  Terry's no spring chicken, that's why he was happy to have her run the team.  But that's not possible anymore.  At the end of the day neither you, I, nor anyone else but him knows what he's thinking.  He wouldn't be the first person in history to cash it all in over a spouse's condition.  

 

Again, not arguing, I myself and somewhere between perplexed and concerned about the entire thing.  It's taken way longer than they said.  Not sure you remember, but originally they said that they wanted to break ground during this past season.  Then it was March, now it's June.  We're pushing a year here.  

 

And if we’re just speculating Then I’m pretty sure Terry would sell to somebody who would keep them in Buffalo 

 

Seeing his legacy is tied in Buffalo

 

And there’s a lot of corrupt lobbyists who want their piece of the pie in the stadium… That’s absolutely a fact

They’re trying to drain every last penny out of the state and county for their own needs, Not related to a football stadium

 

But since they’re getting 700 million for a football stadium they want their slice of the pie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo Super Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

He never threatened to move the bills

 

At most you could call it veiled…. Which is completely different than being out right threatening to move the bills… 

 

He’s not wrong when he said the city and state need to decide how much they want the bills… That’s perfectly reasonable

 

Because He wasn’t footing the bill…. So absolutely the state and city needed to decide how much they want the bills… They can pay and keep them…. Or someone will build them a stadium

 

That’s just a fact it’s not a threat

 

You can cry and think he was threatening you , it’s called a business move… leverage 

His lawyers did it’s semantics without the new stadium the Buffalo Bills were going to look elsewhere. Did that mean the Buffalo Bills were definitely gone maybe, maybe not depending on if there was another sucker city willing to give Terry Pegula public money like Erie County and New York State did.
 

Bottom line Terry Pegula is never going to be popular in Western New York after taking the public money of $850 million dollars. That is part of the deal he is a big boy Terry Pegula knows that and he doesn’t need to have Buffalo Bills fans all to like him. I am a Buffalo Bills fan I don’t like Terry Pegula. I think Buffalo fans have it wrong on this preferring Terry Pegula over Kim Pegula. I am the opposite I like Kim Pegula over Terry Pegula. Terry Pegula is a terrible public speaker and at times cringe worthy some of the phony stuff he does and says starting with the first press conference when he bought the Buffalo Sabres crying with the French Connection seemed phony. Kim Pegula was the one I had some belief in and unfortunately with her health issues we aren’t likely to see her putting her stamp on the Buffalo sports teams anymore which is disappointing. Maybe one of the children will take over someday but Terry “Howard Hughes Like” Pegula is a public relations disaster no more phony crying no more Stanley Cup promises. You promise something then you tank you lose credibility in Buffalo in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Mr. WEO]

29 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

And if we’re just speculating Then I’m pretty sure Terry would sell to somebody who would keep them in Buffalo 

 

Seeing his legacy is tied in Buffalo

 

And there’s a lot of corrupt locals who want their piece of the pie in the stadium… That’s absolutely a fact

They’re trying to drain every last penny out of the state and county for their own needs, Not related to a football stadium

 

But since they’re getting 700 million for a football stadium they want their slice of the pie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What piece of the pie are they getting?

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

What piece of the pie are they getting?

You Talk about all the reports about Terry threatening to leave

 

Yet you’ve never seen the reports of all the local community groups trying to get a hold of part of that public money?

 

"Every resident of Erie County, and in fact, every taxpayer in New York state is an investor in the stadium so we all have a stake in this deal. It’s public money, it’s public land and we all have a right to a seat at the table," said Ó Súilleabháin.

 

Executive Director Of the partnership for public good

 

Lots of lobbyists are trying to touch the money

Edited March 17, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

You Talk about all the reports about Terry threatening to leave

 

Yet you’ve never seen the reports of all the local community groups trying to get a hold of part of that public money?

 

Who are the corrupt locals asking for some of this pie?

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Who are the corrupt locals asking for some of this pie?

Most politicians are corrupt I’m using that loosely .. Not the common people politicians and lobbyists

 

They’re all trying to get in on the deal

 

"Every resident of Erie County, and in fact, every taxpayer in New York state is an investor in the stadium so we all have a stake in this deal. It’s public money, it’s public land and we all have a right to a seat at the table," said Ó Súilleabháin.

 

We all have a right at the table

 

Every group and lobbyist is trying to get in at the table

Edited March 17, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Most politicians are corrupt I’m using that loosely .. Not the common people politicians and lobbyists

 

They’re all trying to get in on the deal

 

"Responding to the suggestion that the Bills would have a hard time moving, a Pegula Sports Entertainment spokesman told The Post: “Relocation could have been a very real possibility if the governor had not worked so hard to get everyone to the table.”"

 

“I know that they are a very valuable asset,” she said. “For them to be in a market as small as Buffalo is rather extraordinary, and I don’t take that for granted. That’s why I have to work out a deal that is beneficial to them, knowing that there is other competition out there. I’m aware of that, and it is something that I lie awake and think about sometimes.”

Hochul referred to reports from last summer describing the possibility that the Bills could move to a larger market if a stadium deal doesn’t happen.

“There are other cities that were making at least a play for the Bills, and I’m very cognizant of that,” Hochul said.

 

"A message left with Gov. Kathy Hochul, who is from Buffalo, was not immediately returned. On Monday, her office released a statement to The AP, which read, “no one is more committed to keeping the Bills in Buffalo” than Hochul, and that details will be shared once negotiations are completed."

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

"Responding to the suggestion that the Bills would have a hard time moving, a Pegula Sports Entertainment spokesman told The Post: “Relocation could have been a very real possibility if the governor had not worked so hard to get everyone to the table.”"

 

“I know that they are a very valuable asset,” she said. “For them to be in a market as small as Buffalo is rather extraordinary, and I don’t take that for granted. That’s why I have to work out a deal that is beneficial to them, knowing that there is other competition out there. I’m aware of that, and it is something that I lie awake and think about sometimes.”

Hochul referred to reports from last summer describing the possibility that the Bills could move to a larger market if a stadium deal doesn’t happen.

“There are other cities that were making at least a play for the Bills, and I’m very cognizant of that,” Hochul said.

 

"A message left with Gov. Kathy Hochul, who is from Buffalo, was not immediately returned. On Monday, her office released a statement to The AP, which read, “no one is more committed to keeping the Bills in Buffalo” than Hochul, and that details will be shared once negotiations are completed."

Notice the language they use

 

Could have been a possibility… If a stadium deal wasn’t agreed-upon

 

Of course we were going to leave if we didn’t get a new stadium … They’ve been saying this for 20 years

 

the stadium was to keep the bills in Buffalo… It’s not a threat if Pegula sports state the obvious…. If we don’t get a Stadium someone else will pay for one

 

That’s been a known fact for 20+ years… We build the stadium or lose the bills

 

I would rather pay more in taxes and keep the bills

 

 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

And if we’re just speculating Then I’m pretty sure Terry would sell to somebody who would keep them in Buffalo 

 

Seeing his legacy is tied in Buffalo

 

And there’s a lot of corrupt lobbyists who want their piece of the pie in the stadium… That’s absolutely a fact

They’re trying to drain every last penny out of the state and county for their own needs, Not related to a football stadium

 

But since they’re getting 700 million for a football stadium they want their slice of the pie

 

That's fair, and if in fact he were trying to sell the team, he's first have to find such a buyer. 

 

Remember, if we didn't already have a team, Buffalo wouldn't make the short list for expansion or a move. 

 

As you imply above, all most people care about is money first and foremost.  That slide that the Pegula's put up at whichever organizational meeting they had, did not indicate otherwise.  

 

I think that finding a buyer for an eager seller without a place to play may be a bit of a tough sell.  

 

We'll see, let's hope they break ground in June after all this nonsense and then this all amounts to nothing but worthless back and forth.  🙂

 

Not gonna say that it's not concerning though.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

Could have been a possibility… If a stadium deal wasn’t agreed-upon

 

 

 

the stadium was to keep the bills in Buffalo… It’s not a threat if Pegula sports state the obvious…. If we don’t get a Stadium someone else will pay for one

 

That’s been a known fact for 20+ years… We build the stadium or lose the bills

 

 

 

 

lol....

 

That was easier than I thought.

 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

Can the new Buffalo Bills Stadium host a Buffalo Major League Cricket franchise? Or a Buffalo Major League Rugby franchise or is Buffalo to broke? If the answer is Buffalo is too broke or Buffalo isn’t capable of anything new than that new Buffalo Bills stadium is going to be as useless as the old Buffalo Bills Highmark Stadium in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited March 18, 2023 by Buffalo Super Fan

[JoPoy88]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Can the new Buffalo Bills Stadium host a Buffalo Major League Cricket franchise? Or a Buffalo Major League Rugby franchise or is Buffalo to broke? If the answer is Buffalo is too broke or Buffalo isn’t capable of anything new than that new Buffalo Bills stadium is going to be as useless as the old Buffalo Bills Highmark Stadium in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

I don’t really know what the question here is. No, the new stadium is just going to be a football stadium that will host some high school championships and a few concerts a year. So what.

 

if they built a covered stadium in downtown Buffalo for $2B+, plus got another $2B+ for necessary infrastructure improvements to put it down there, it would still be a football stadium that hosts some high school championships and a few concerts a year.