How much did you pay for gas and groceries today?

[sherpa]

2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

 

Only 36% of voters in a new Wall Street Journal/NORC survey said the American dream still holds true.

 

 

 

And they are all wrong.

 

 

[US Egg]

On 11/24/2023 at 1:22 PM, Irv said:

He’s sure helping the little guy when they can’t buy food.  What rock are you living under?

How ironic, it’s over his tunnel.

[BillStime]

23 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Thanks a lot, Brandon. 

 

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/american-dream-out-of-reach-poll-3b774892

 

The American dream—the proposition that anyone who works hard can get ahead, regardless of their background—has slipped out of reach in the minds of many Americans.

Only 36% of voters in a new Wall Street Journal/NORC survey said the American dream still holds true, substantially fewer than the 53% who said so in 2012 and 48% in 2016 

 

 

Keep voting Republican - they sure do go out of their way to take care of the 1%.

Meanwhile, your keepers have you all fighting against helping out the little guy.

 

Just look at your comments about student loan forgiveness and most recently junk fees.

 

Cry harder 

 

[sherpa]

15 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Just look at your comments about student loan forgiveness and most recently junk fees.

 

Cry harder 

 

 

You are on the right track.

People should not be encumbered by living up to promises or known expenses.

 

Let's eliminate all contractual promises.

That will surely lead to prosperity.

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

 

You are on the right track.

People should not be encumbered by living up to promises or known expenses.

 

Let's eliminate all contractual promises.

That will surely lead to prosperity.

Your party does that for Corporate America and top 1%.

 

Look how they wrote the rules to accommodate THEIR needs so they pay little; if any in taxes and completely erase all those PPP loans - gotta make sure those folks are taken care of…

 

Meanwhile, your keepers have conditioned you to think the IRS is coming after you and to oppose any form of assistance for people like us, all while ignoring the 1% who mock us as they profit.

 

And finally - the free market sets prices - but it sounds like you and @JDHillFanare communists - who want the government to set prices.

 

Idiots - complete idiots.

 

 

[sherpa]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Your party does that for Corporate America and top 1%.

 

Look how they wrote the rules to accommodate THEIR needs so they pay little; if any in taxes and completely erase all those PPP loans - gotta make sure those folks are taken care of…

 

Meanwhile, your keepers have conditioned you to think the IRS is coming after you and to oppose any form of assistance for people like us, all while ignoring the 1% who mock us as they profit.

 

And finally - the free market sets prices - but it sounds like you and @JDHillFanare communists - who want the government to set prices.

 

Idiots - complete idiots.

 

 

Tibs is a cowardly moron.

 

You are in your own league of lunacy.

[BillStime]

12 minutes ago, sherpa said:

Tibs is a cowardly moron.

 

You are in your own league of lunacy.

 

The truth hurts, doesn’t it…

 

It hurts so badly that you don't even realize how you twist yourselves into pretzels.

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

$2.85/gallon gasoline last week on trip to BFLo. 

 

Adjusted for inflation... That's $0.60/gallon in 1978.

 

Funny how people get bent out of shape about inflation.  Inflation is an indicator that people are working, making money. Wasn't there deflation during the Great Depression?

 

 

Watch people cry about the price of eggs after they just had to cull a bunch of chickens due to avian flu.

 

"Remember the great egg crisis of '22.  God forbid, lest we never forget of those awful times!"

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

$2.85/gallon gasoline last week on trip to BFLo. 

 

Adjusted for inflation... That's $0.60/gallon in 1978.

 

Funny how people get bent out of shape about inflation.  Inflation is an indicator that people are working, making money. Wasn't there deflation during the Great Depression?

 

 

Watch people cry about the price of eggs after they just had to cull a bunch of chickens due to avian flu.

 

"Remember the great egg crisis of '22.  God forbid, lest we never forget of those awful times!"

 

 

Yes.  It's gonna be funny watching. The loyalist tout the prices falling in the recession. 

 

The fact demand for gas, at this time of year isn't a good thing. 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

 

 

Funny how people get bent out of shape about inflation.  Inflation is an indicator that people are working, making money. Wasn't there deflation during the Great Depression?

 

 

 

Do you actually believe the main driver of our current inflation is people working and making money? 

[JDHillFan]

13 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Funny how people get bent out of shape about inflation.

Democrats should run with this as a campaign pitch. Sounds like a winner. 

[Doc]

23 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Democrats should run with this as a campaign pitch. Sounds like a winner. 

 

Yup.  Because no one gets bent out of shape about paying more money...

[BillStime]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  Because no one gets bent out of shape about paying more money...

You vote Republican - you pay more in taxes so the rich doesn’t have to - they have their simps well trained. 

[aristocrat]

https://x.com/brixwe/status/1728583011032006849?s=46&t=WfwBbfFkRiZZWCMxTdpkOw

[BillStime]

17 hours ago, sherpa said:

Tibs is a cowardly moron.

 

You are in your own league of lunacy.

Be a good simp

 

 

[JDHillFan]

More from the “funny how people get bent out of shape about inflation” files. ExiledinIllinois for the win! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦

 

 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/trump-lead-grows-as-84-say-bidenomics-hurting-them
 

In the latest monthly McLaughlin & Associates national survey, 84% of likely voters said inflation and higher costs have affected their lives. Of those, 46% said they are “struggling” to make ends meet.

[BillStime]

 

[The Frankish Reich]

On 11/24/2023 at 8:35 PM, Orlando Tim said:

I will go with regular prices on low end basics since I went to two separate stores for my materials to make sure I was getting good deals and if my effort is required then the WH is truly insane:

12 lb turkey $18

6 lbs of potatoes $6

2 lbs of butter- sweet potatos and regular potatoes and breas $8

6 lbs sweet potatoes $8

Brown sugar- $2

Pecans for sweet potato topping $5

2 loaves of bread for stuffing $6 

Broth for stuffing $4

Celery- $2

Onions-$2

4 lbs of green beans $8

Half gallon milk for potatoes $3

Gravy-  $6

spices for everything- $4

 

desserts

pumpkin pie- $5 store bought

home made cookies-  $7

home made pie- $9

 

which does not include the appetizers, which was not my domain. 

 

the argument that it is reasonable to be under $60 if you are frugal is insane. I do not have Mac n cheese here, or collared greens, or any other meat. The WH statement is only accurate if you do the bare minimum.

 

 

 

Sounds like you had a lot more people than I did (4 lbs of green beans, etc.). You also added some special things (cookies).

I didn't count things I ordinarily have (butter, spices), but I will note that my roughly 6-8 bucks a person fits with what the American Farm Bureau estimated: $62 for 10 people, or six bucks each.

https://www.fb.org/news-release/cost-of-thanksgiving-dinner-down-slightly-from-record-high-in-2022

 

That's not a White House or lefty site - it basically is a lobbying group for American farmers, so I don't really see any reason for them to falsify the tally.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Absolutely true. It was during COVID, and was meant to protect US oil producers, so you can argue about whether or not it was a good idea, but you can't argue about the fact that it happened. From the NYT at the time:

 

But a complete free fall of oil prices into the single digits — something not seen in two decades — appears to have been avoided. President Trump’s recent public lobbying of Russia and Saudi Arabia to lower production helped raise prices several dollars a barrel, allowing many American companies to limit their losses.

Energy experts acknowledged Mr. Trump’s role in the deal.

“President Trump, who spent the last three years criticizing OPEC, became the de facto president of the producer group,” said Helima Croft, head of global commodity strategy at RBC Capital Markets.

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[Pokebball]

Just now, Tommy Callahan said:

 

yeah, but, something something about going out for 4 steak dinners at a nice restaurant

[Tiberius]

33 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

Most Americans can't remember that far back. BS 

[Tommy Callahan]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Most Americans can't remember that far back.

You can only speak for yourself tibs.  Sorry about the cognitive issues 

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Absolutely true. It was during COVID, and was meant to protect US oil producers, so you can argue about whether or not it was a good idea, but you can't argue about the fact that it happened. 

 

Of course he did, and we have discussed this before.

OPEC and the Saudis in particular, were interested in allowing the price to fall so far that US producers would be unable to sustain operations.

The result of that would have been a dramatic supply crunch when things returned to some level of normal economic activity, and a huge increase in OPEC market share with the US out of the picture.

 

It was a sensible thing to do.

 

Keep in mind that Saudi production costs per barrel are around $10.

US production costs per barrel is a bit over $50.

 

Trump, sensibly, did not want to see the US energy production capacity crushed.

[B-Man]

 

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Gas prices have fallen. Inflation is reduced. 

[Tommy Callahan]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Gas prices have fallen. Inflation is reduced. 

you all said over and over again that gas prices and inflation were global and had nothing to do with Biden.

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said:

you all said over and over again that gas prices and inflation were global and had nothing to do with Biden.

 

 

Yes, thanks! True 

[Pokebball]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Gas prices have fallen. Inflation is reduced. 

Now do the "under biden" part

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Pokebball said:

Now do the "under biden" part

Not much he can do about it. Biden's good, but no president is so good as to have that much control.

 

Reagan had a lot of inflation in his first term 

[Pokebball]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Not much he can do about it. Biden's good, but no president is so good as to have that much control.

 

Reagan had a lot of inflation in his first term 

So what was your argument?

[Tiberius]

Just now, Pokebball said:

So what was your argument?

That it will be fine 

[sherpa]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

Reagan had a lot of inflation in his first term 

 

Totally inherited from the Carter disaster.

Remember the "misery index?"

 

Depending on severity, it takes a bit of time to get inflation under control unless there is a shock to the economy.

[Pokebball]

19 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

That it will be fine 

can I get a hug

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

 

Dang, 80% means a good number of Dems in there.  

 

2 hours ago, Pokebball said:

yeah, but, something something about going out for 4 steak dinners at a nice restaurant

 

Good old credit cards.  Gonna be hitting $2T before you know it...

[Tiberius]

20 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

Totally inherited from the Carter disaster.

Remember the "misery index?"

 

Depending on severity, it takes a bit of time to get inflation under control unless there is a shock to the economy.

Carter inherited inflation from the Nixon-Ford years, and it is interesting to note that Reagan used Carter's solution to end the inflation with Paul Volker's interest rates rise. 

 

If you think Carter was a disaster, what can you say about Nixon? Carter was a vast improvement. 

 

Heck, looking at how many Nixon and Reagan officials were sent to prison, Carter's administrtaion stands out as an oasis of good government 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[sherpa]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Carter inherited inflation from the Nixon-Ford years, and it is interesting to note that Reagan used Carter's solution to end the inflation with Paul Volker's interest rates rise. 

 

If you think Carter was a disaster, what can you say about Nixon? Carter was a vast improvement. 

 

Heck, looking at how many Nixon and Reagan officials were sent to prison, Carter's administrtaion stands out as an oasis of good government 

 

Cater was a disaster in every sense. To claim it was an "oasis" is insanity.

 

Inflation was becoming a problem during the Ford years, but nothing like what happened during the Carter term.

His solution to an unnecessary energy crisis was to turn down thermostats.

Absolutely no leadership.

 

Left the military in shambles, leading to massive retention problems  and very dangerous readiness issues.

He was despised by the officer corps.

He was also a rude, arrogant phony, who put the US at risk by not allowing the "football," the nuc codes to be brought into Plains when he was there.

 

The reason he got demolished in his reelection campaign was certainly not because he was "an oasis of good government."

Even the Dems despised him, resulting in a challenge from Kennedy. 

 

By the way, the Federal Reserve is an independent entity. 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

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