Walter Football Mock with the Hot Take on our MLB

[JohnNord]

On 2/25/2022 at 12:53 AM, Richard Noggin said:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2022_1.php

 

This pick and blurb oughta get a rise out of folks. Dontcha think? Discuss. 

 

Don’t tell the Cover 1 guys this.  They’ll spend days trying to share footage to prove that Edmunds is a “great” LB.

 

To be fair, I wouldn’t call Edmunds a bust but he definitely has been a disappointment.  He is an average player.  I would agree that the Bills should upgrade but it sounds like they are set up to give him a huge deal.  It will be a mistake but some fans will still be like “give him time….he’s only 35!”

[GoBills19]

9 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Guys, let’s simmer down a bit...Remember, Trumane is still the age of some rookies...

stop using this excuse. he's played football his whole life, if he doesn't get it yet he's not going to get it in a year or 2

[DrDawkinstein]

15 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

Because he's going to end up with a long extension with an 8-9M cap hit

 

You are delusional if you think we re-sign Edmunds at $8-9M/year.

 

If we could do that, then all these threads are unnecessary because even though he has been disappointing, I think everyone could agree that they'd be happy to have him at $8M/year. Hell, that's about what Klein makes.

 

Edmunds will be in the $13-15M range. We are paying him $12.5M this year.

[TBBills]

19 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

Because he's going to end up with a long extension with an 8-9M cap hit

Why would that disappoint me again?

 

That would at least mean even Edmunds knows he isn't that good.

Edited March 1, 2022 by TBBills

[GoBills19]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

If the fact he is a two time pro bowler, captain of our number one ranked defense, and is statistically elite in so many ways doesn't stop the bashing then his age will not matter. 

statistically elite?? number on ranked defense? come on now. he is complete garbage and needs to be replaced immediately

[appoo]

37 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You are delusional if you think we re-sign Edmunds at $8-9M/year.

 

If we could do that, then all these threads are unnecessary because even though he has been disappointing, I think everyone could agree that they'd be happy to have him at $8M/year. Hell, that's about what Klein makes.

 

Edmunds will be in the $13-15M range. We are paying him $12.5M this year.

Cap Hit, not AAV
 

12M is Myles Jacks number, and even Matt Milanos approximate.  Klein is 5.1

 

Darius Leonard is like 13M this year before jumping to to 20M next year.

 

My expectation for Edmunds would be under 10M this year and next year and then rising to 15-17 in 2024 and on, and getting a nice chunk of a bonus upfront.

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by appoo

[Orlando Tim]

4 minutes ago, GoBills19 said:

statistically elite?? number on ranked defense? come on now. he is complete garbage and needs to be replaced immediately

It is a statement of fact that we had the #1 ranked defense this season, and he had the most tackles on the team, not to mention several other deeper level stats where he was great. We play two LBs because he and Milano allow our defense to do that. He is not the best LB in league but he and Milano are the best LBs we have had in quite some time. 

[FilthyBeast]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

 

I don't have problem with this for the simple fact that even if Beane knows it's time to move on and would like to try and trade him he's not to say anything negative publicly.

 

But on the flipside if he truly believes this it shows a clear lack of ability to evaluate talent on the defensive side of the ball and why we keep missing on crucial draft picks.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You are delusional if you think we re-sign Edmunds at $8-9M/year.

 

If we could do that, then all these threads are unnecessary because even though he has been disappointing, I think everyone could agree that they'd be happy to have him at $8M/year. Hell, that's about what Klein makes.

 

Edmunds will be in the $13-15M range. We are paying him $12.5M this year.

Exactly.  I've never been a Edmunds fan but at 8-9 M/ yr I could tolerate watching him backpedal into open field. He's never going to accept less than the 12.7 we're paying him this season so it's probably moot.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You are delusional if you think we re-sign Edmunds at $8-9M/year.

 

If we could do that, then all these threads are unnecessary because even though he has been disappointing, I think everyone could agree that they'd be happy to have him at $8M/year. Hell, that's about what Klein makes.

 

Edmunds will be in the $13-15M range. We are paying him $12.5M this year.

 

 

I wouldn't be happy with $8M/year long term for Edmunds based on what Edmunds has done so far.........you can't afford to pay everyone on defense and the line AT LEAST should draw at those who aren't playmakers.   

 

$8M might not seem like much but they are already basically at the point where every starter aside from Dane Jackson is on a 1st round or veteran contract..........you need to be able to fill a few positions on defense with $1M or less kinda' contracts.

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

 

 

Translation.........."some people say he sucks.........I wouldn't say THAT"   😉

[CoudyBills]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Guys, let’s simmer down a bit...Remember, Trumane is still the age of some rookies...

The older ones

[appoo]

Folks that was a 8-9M CAP HIT. Not yearly take 

[MrEpsYtown]

I am a huge McBeane supporter, and I think they take too much criticism at times. The one thing that sticks out to me, and bothers me, is their strange loyalty to players who aren’t getting it done. They seem to just wait too long to cut bait, or to try something different when the move is obvious. 
 

It started with Nate Peterman. Like what the hell was that about? Mike Tolbert? Seriously? The guy played way too much. Vlad Ducasse, just was so terrible and worse and worse every week, but he stayed in there. Ramon Humber, Jordan Mills. Philip Gaines, Marshall Newhouse, John Miller. Then came Trent Murphy and Jon Feliciano. Who needs Wyatt Teller when you have Jeremiah Sirles and Brian Winters?
 

They just seem to take too long to make the move when they have younger guys waiting in the wings like Teller, like Bates. Would have been nice to have Brandon Powell returning kicks this year, but he was too busy playing in the Super Bowl. 
 

I have a lot of opinions on Tremaine on both sides. But, if they think he is the guy, they should extend him now. If they are on the fence, they need to trade him. What they can’t do is play out a lame duck year. 

Edited March 2, 2022 by MrEpsYtown

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Guys, let’s simmer down a bit...Remember, Trumane is still the age of some rookies...

He's young but has been in the same defense 4 years with zero growth. So I understand why fans want more from Edmunds. I think we should be getting more from Edmunds. But I don't see a player that's a liability like other fans do. It just doesn't make sense. 

 

I think when it comes to signing Edmunds it'll come down to asking price. I don't think the Bills are prepared to give him top 5 ILB money.

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I am a huge McBeane supporter, and I think they take too much criticism at times. The one thing that sticks out to me, and bothers me, is their strange loyalty to players who aren’t getting it done. They seem to just wait to long to cut bait, or to try something different when the move is obvious. 
 

It started with Nate Peterman. Like what the hell was that about? Mike Tolbert? Seriously? The guy played way too much. Vlad Ducasse, just was so terrible and worse and worse every week, but he stayed in there. Ramon Humber, Jordan Mills. Philip Gaines, Marshall Newhouse, John Miller. Then came Trent Murphy and Jon Feliciano. Who needs Wyatt Teller when you have Jeremiah Sirles and Brian Winters. 
 

They just seem to take too long to make the move when they have younger guys waiting in the wings like Teller, like Bates. Would have been nice to have Brandon Powell returning kicks this year, but he was too busy playing in the Super Bowl. 
 

I have a lot of opinions on Tremaine on both sides. But, if they think he is the guy, they should extend him now. If they are on the fence, they need to trade him. What they can’t do is play out a lame duck year. 

Building a team isn't easy and you're never going to get everything right. 

[billrooter]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

If the fact he is a two time pro bowler, captain of our number one ranked defense, and is statistically elite in so many ways doesn't stop the bashing then his age will not matter. 

Pro bowls now days are a joke just like the pro bowl game, you can be a 3 rd or 4th alternate and be a pro bowler. Poyer and Hyde made the 1st and second team  Ap all pro team but weren't pro bowlers, kinda hard to understand. I really like our defense, but anyone with the lightest hint of football knowledge will admit the #1 ranking was a sham, we played such a horrid QB lineup this year and the top Qbs pick apart our defense like it's child's play. Alot if people here know the intricacies of the game more than me I will admit, but I played the linebacker position for a number of years and have watched a ton of football and the guy doesn't pass the eye test with me. Klein gets beat his fair share when inserted as a pass defender, but looks so much better playing the position in my eyes, you at least see him flying to the ball making plays like a linebacker suppose to, I don't see that much at all with Tremaine.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, billrooter said:

Pro bowls now days are a joke just like the pro bowl game, you can be a 3 rd or 4th alternate and be a pro bowler. Poyer and Hyde made the 1st and second team  Ap all pro team but weren't pro bowlers, kinda hard to understand. I really like our defense, but anyone with the lightest hint of football knowledge will admit the #1 ranking was a sham, we played such a horrid QB lineup this year and the top Qbs pick apart our defense like it's child's play. Alot if people here know the intricacies of the game more than me I will admit, but I played the linebacker position for a number of years and have watched a ton of football and the guy doesn't pass the eye test with me. Klein gets beat his fair share when inserted as a pass defender, but looks so much better playing the position in my eyes, you at least see him flying to the ball making plays like a linebacker suppose to, I don't see that much at all with Tremaine.

They have finished top 3 in 3/4 years with basically the same players.

 

I don't understand why Bills fans are so critical of the Bills defense. We all know they can be better, but these takes are terrible.

Edited March 2, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Orlando Tim]

7 hours ago, billrooter said:

Pro bowls now days are a joke just like the pro bowl game, you can be a 3 rd or 4th alternate and be a pro bowler. Poyer and Hyde made the 1st and second team  Ap all pro team but weren't pro bowlers, kinda hard to understand. I really like our defense, but anyone with the lightest hint of football knowledge will admit the #1 ranking was a sham, we played such a horrid QB lineup this year and the top Qbs pick apart our defense like it's child's play. Alot if people here know the intricacies of the game more than me I will admit, but I played the linebacker position for a number of years and have watched a ton of football and the guy doesn't pass the eye test with me. Klein gets beat his fair share when inserted as a pass defender, but looks so much better playing the position in my eyes, you at least see him flying to the ball making plays like a linebacker suppose to, I don't see that much at all with Tremaine.

You don't understand his job at all and insult him. This eye test stuff is proof you don't understand it when you say Klein looks better because Klein is not in the same echelon as Edmunds. As for the the pro bowl nods, I am not arguing he is the top LB in league but you are arguing he is below average and below average guys don't go to Pro Bowls. Finally as for "flying around" Edmunds and Milano cover the whole field, both are all over the place for the whole game. He is not the best LB but these takes show you don't know what his job is or think everyone less than Luke Kuechly is garbage.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I would love to see the Bills draft a top ILB and have Tremaine Edmunds go after the QB, I think he could be a dominant pass rusher in this league but with these egos of HC and coaches in general it will most likely never happen for the money he's making.

[Thurman#1]

On 2/25/2022 at 3:16 PM, JayBaller10 said:

Tremaine hasn’t been a “huge bust,” but he hasn’t been a difference maker either. His instincts are below average for a MLB, but his size and athleticism are elite. Put the two together and you get a slightly above average linebacker, though I couldn’t argue if someone else were to just call him “average.”
Despite being the defensive captain and getting everyone set on defense, his mental acuity and processing do him no favors. I don’t think he’ll ever be a defensive playmaker, a guy the opposing team absolutely fears and has to account for.

 

 

If you want to argue that he's not as good as many think, or that he's under-performing, I won't spend a lot of time arguing, though I won't disagree.

 

But we know that the last time they played Baltimore that they felt that they couldn't succeed with Edmunds doing what he does, that their main objective was to try to nullify Edmunds. Damond Talbot made that very clear on his interview with the Air Raid Hour here:

 

 

 

It's at about the 29 minute mark.

 

"The Ravens game plan against the Bills is try to get Tremaine Edmunds out of the play. Try to get him, by running motions try to move him out of position. Their entire game plan was to get rid of Tremaine Edmunds."

 

So, when you say that he's not a guy opposing teams have to account for, he very much is.

[Thurman#1]

20 hours ago, TBBills said:

Why would I be disappointed? 

When you need to lift up everyone else to make a guy better than the guy isn't very good t begin with.

 

 

Not true at all. 

 

Every player in the NFL is effective or less so based on the guys and the system around him.

 

As they point out on the podcast above, Lavonte David has always been very good, but how many people were saying Lavonte David was an absolute stud until they got Vita Vea, Pierre-Paul, Suh, and McLendon in front of and around him?

 

Same with Ray Lewis. Started out and quickly looked like a hall of famer. Then Siragusa left and it was widespread that Lewis had regressed and simply wasn't the same guy anymore, that he was still good but that he'd never be great again. Who'd ever have guessed that a couple of years later they draft Haloti Ngata and instantaneously Lewis was awesome again? Well, anyone paying much attention figured that there was a good chance of it. And it happened.

 

I mean, I guess you can argue Ray Lewis wasn't very good to begin with if you want to. Not many will listen, though. Lewis might be the best example but there are a million more.

 

Edited March 2, 2022 by Thurman#1