Victory Formation Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 My Bills offseason: Trades • Bills trade Tremaine Edmunds to the Las Vegas Raiders for pick #53 in the 2022 draft and a 2023 4th. • Bills trade their 2022 4th to the Dallas Cowboys for LB Leighton Vander Esch and then they sign him to a 3yr $30M deal. Splash signings • Buffalo signs TE Mike Gesicki formerly of the Miami Dolphins to a 4yr $45M deal to compete with Dawson Knox. This gives Buffalo a very well rounded TE room. Gesicki has been very good for the Dolphins and he may get tagged, but I think with Allen as his QB, Gesicki would quickly go from very good territory to ELITE territory. And this doesn’t mean that I would not re-sign Dawson Knox as well. The NFL is quickly going back to a power run league and having two very good TEs is of a huge benefit for the Bills going forward.. Low risk, high reward signings • Bills sign FA WR Chris Godwin formerly of the Tampa Bay Bucs to a 1yr $8M prove it deal. He’s coming off a torn ACL and Brady has retired. He would be salivating over a chance to play with Josh Allen so he can cash in next year. Bills may be able to sign him to a long term deal at that point and maybe at a cut price. • Diggs/Godwin/Davis/Gesicki/Knox gives Buffalo the firepower they need to outdo Kansas City. Draft • It seems that this draft is extremely deep at CB. I think that Buffalo needs to go here twice. RD1 and ideally RD3 as well. Maybe even use one of our RD2 picks to trade down for extra picks to do so. • Even with the addition of LVE, Buffalo could use more depth here. Someone who could turn into a potential starter while also thriving on STs in the process. Would allow us to cut some of our older more expensive veterans. (Klein and Matekavich) • Drafting an interior OL is not a bad idea as well. We can free up some cap space by dumping Feliciano and rolling with Bates going into 2022. Would take Boettger back on a cut price. • RB is obviously a need as well. I LOVE Singletary, but we need a solid starter to rotate in with him. Moss could be that guy, but more competition is needed here. Positions of need going into the draft: •CB •NT •LB •IOL •CB •RB Keep in mind that we would have two RD2 picks in my offseason, but we would not have a 4th. Could also trade down to accumulate more draft picks. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Victory Formation said: My Bills offseason: Trades • Bills trade Tremaine Edmunds to the Las Vegas Raiders for pick #53 in the 2022 draft and a 2023 4th. • Bills trade their 2022 4th to the Dallas Cowboys for LB Leighton Vander Esch and then they sign him to a 3yr $30M deal. Splash signings • Buffalo signs TE Mike Gesicki formerly of the Miami Dolphins to a 4yr $45M deal to compete with Dawson Knox. This gives Buffalo a very well rounded TE room. Gesicki has been very good for the Dolphins and he may get tagged, but I think with Allen as his QB, Gesicki would quickly go from very good territory to ELITE territory. And this doesn’t mean that I would not re-sign Dawson Knox as well. The NFL is quickly going back to a power run league and having two very good TEs is of a huge benefit for the Bills going forward.. Low risk, high reward signings • Bills sign FA WR Chris Godwin formerly of the Tampa Bay Bucs to a 1yr $8M prove it deal. He’s coming off a torn ACL and Brady has retired. He would be salivating over a chance to play with Josh Allen so he can cash in next year. Bills may be able to sign him to a long term deal at that point and maybe at a cut price. • Diggs/Godwin/Davis/Gesicki/Knox gives Buffalo the firepower they need to outdo Kansas City. Draft • It seems that this draft is extremely deep at CB. I think that Buffalo needs to go here twice. RD1 and ideally RD3 as well. Maybe even use one of our RD2 picks to trade down for extra picks to do so. • Even with the addition of LVE, Buffalo could use more depth here. Someone who could turn into a potential starter while also thriving on STs in the process. Would allow us to cut some of our older more expensive veterans. (Klein and Matekavich) • Drafting an interior OL is not a bad idea as well. We can free up some cap space by dumping Feliciano and rolling with Bates going into 2022. Would take Boettger back on a cut price. • RB is obviously a need as well. I LOVE Singletary, but we need a solid starter to rotate in with him. Moss could be that guy, but more competition is needed here. Positions of need going into the draft: •CB •NT •LB •IOL •CB •RB Keep in mind that we would have two RD2 picks in my offseason, but we would not have a 4th. Could also trade down to accumulate more draft picks. Some questions: 1. What is about Tremaine Edmunds - a 4-3 Middle Linebacker - that makes you think he is a fit for Patrick Graham's 3-4 defense? Blake Martinez was his hand picked FA signed mike in New York. That tells you the skill set he desires at the spot. How do you think Edmunds matches that? 2. Why would you trade for Vander Esch? He is a free agent and the Cowboys are not bringing him back. 3. How does Mike Gesicki help with a "power run game"? He may be nominally called a tight end but he is a big slot receiver who never plays inline and can't block to save his life. 4. Chris Godwin for 1 year $8m? Do you think the other 31 teams don't know he is a FA? 1 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 18 hours ago, dneveu said: You don't save money on the cap by cutting bease if his replacement has like double the cap hit. You do it to open some space to make that type of move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 13 hours ago, Victory Formation said: • Diggs/Godwin/Davis/Gesicki/Knox gives Buffalo the firepower they need to outdo Kansas City. I like the idea of your end result, just think it is way too expensive to be considered. How about Diggs/OBJ/Davis/Gronk/Knox! More realistic IMO. Get OBJ ($5.6) and Gronk($8.3M) for $14M vs Godwin($18.1M)/Gesicki($11M) for $29M (per Spotrac estimates). OBJ is estimated at $5.6M and might be coming off a Superbowl win and the dismantling of that team. To my eye, OBJ is a top 10 talent in this league. If the Bills offer market price (which in my estimate is above Spotracs and rising but I don't care), I think we would be one of his top choices - QB, contender, excellent offense- and a little bit of the stick it to Clev by showing that at the next 2 different teams his numbers excelled. If I had my choice right now for the Superbowl between OBJ, Sanders, or Beasley, I'm taking OBJ. Gronk is estimated at $8.3M and might be looking to help his home town go to the Superbowl. So, if the Bills are in the market range, it is conceivable he would want to be here above everyone else. Gronk may be a little lumbering now, but he still put up good stats, and from where I view things, makes a concerted effort to block. Gronk would help the run game (unlike Gesicki who is a glorified slot- good, but not a real help blocking). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 21 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said: I like Patterson except I believe Spotrac when they estimate Patterson won't not be cheap, $9M range. An older RB who would want to get paid. My wish list among the FAs, factoring in Spotrac salaries: Gronk - $8M, I think he would do the hometown right at Market price OBJ - $6M. What a value. The guy still has the goods. I think he might want to go to another Superbowl contender. Bring back McKenzie - blame past usage problems on DaBoll. Spotrac doesn't even bother putting an estimate on him, pretty cheap I would imagine, couple million. Then draft CB, OL, WR, and TE (developmental) in a BPA kind of way. IDGAF what Sportrac says, OBJ is gonna get more than Patterson. OBJ is a legit super star, albeit one who has had a couple down years, Patterson is a never has been who became a primary weapon on a team devoid of talent. I want Patterson here, BUT what OBJ is doing in the playoffs is going to make him money and make Cleveland look even more stupid. He going to get over 10M next season and Patterson would be lucky to get 7M from a desperate team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Some questions: 1. What is about Tremaine Edmunds - a 4-3 Middle Linebacker - that makes you think he is a fit for Patrick Graham's 3-4 defense? Blake Martinez was his hand picked FA signed mike in New York. That tells you the skill set he desires at the spot. How do you think Edmunds matches that? 2. Why would you trade for Vander Esch? He is a free agent and the Cowboys are not bringing him back. 3. How does Mike Gesicki help with a "power run game"? He may be nominally called a tight end but he is a big slot receiver who never plays inline and can't block to save his life. 4. Chris Godwin for 1 year $8m? Do you think the other 31 teams don't know he is a FA? Well, Gunner, my dear sparring partner, allow me to dissect your post like a dead frog in a high school science class. Godwin 1. As far as Godwin is concerned, you do realize that he is coming off of a torn ACL, right? Not only did he tear his ACL, but he tore it towards the end of the season and to make matters worse, it typically takes at least a year for someone to recover from such an injury and that’s if they’re ever the same again at all. 2. Also, you pointed out that Godwin is looking at $18M/yr. While that may have been true before he got injured, that is not even remotely true for him after blowing out his knee. 3. Godwin was in a contract year before he got hurt, now that he is damaged goods, he will 100% absolutely and unequivocally will not receive a huge contract. He will be on a 1/yr prove it deal. I will admit that 31 teams will be fighting for his services, but he will not be going to a team with a QB carousel, he will be going to a team with an elite QB like Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers, etc. As far as Edmunds is concerned: 1. We should easily be able to squeeze a 2nd out of him, no matter what scheme that team plays in. You will not find a better raw prospect than him in RD2. 2. The Raiders have had terrible luck at LB. They are extremely needy in terms of LB. Why not take a gamble here? As far as Mike Gesicki is concerned: 1. It is a very unlikely reality that he escapes Miami, but in the event that he did, he should 100% be on Buffalo’s radar. You bring up blocking, but you do realize that he is 6’6 265lbs right? Not only does he run like a gazelle, he has the raw talent and size to be a premier blocker as well. 2. It’s also worth pointing out that $11M/yr, is his projected contract value, which would absolutely be in line with what the Bills could afford. 3. Also, Gesicki has put up very solid, if not very good numbers with terrible QB play in Miami. With Allen as his QB, Gesicki may very well be our Kelce. As far as Leighton Vander-Esch or “LVE” is concerned. I knew not that he was a FA, but since is a FA, it makes my desire for us to sign him to be all the more enticing. Anyways, we’ve been back and forth over the years, I remember very vividly when you went after me for wanting Josh Allen way back when. Every time I told you that he was the better prospect than Josh Rosen you ripped me post after post, but since you are this boards honorary self proclaimed GM and draft guru, I tend to wonder about your accuracy at this point. I find it hilarious that you rip me time after time when you have the Bills taking a 1yr wonder with a torn ACL in the first round! HAHAHA! Anyways, thanks for critiquing me, it was good for a laugh! I don’t really take your posts seriously and I find it funny that so many do. Edited February 5, 2022 by Victory Formation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 17 hours ago, Victory Formation said: My Bills offseason: Trades • Bills trade Tremaine Edmunds to the Las Vegas Raiders for pick #53 in the 2022 draft and a 2023 4th. • Bills trade their 2022 4th to the Dallas Cowboys for LB Leighton Vander Esch and then they sign him to a 3yr $30M deal. Splash signings • Buffalo signs TE Mike Gesicki formerly of the Miami Dolphins to a 4yr $45M deal to compete with Dawson Knox. This gives Buffalo a very well rounded TE room. Gesicki has been very good for the Dolphins and he may get tagged, but I think with Allen as his QB, Gesicki would quickly go from very good territory to ELITE territory. And this doesn’t mean that I would not re-sign Dawson Knox as well. The NFL is quickly going back to a power run league and having two very good TEs is of a huge benefit for the Bills going forward.. Low risk, high reward signings • Bills sign FA WR Chris Godwin formerly of the Tampa Bay Bucs to a 1yr $8M prove it deal. He’s coming off a torn ACL and Brady has retired. He would be salivating over a chance to play with Josh Allen so he can cash in next year. Bills may be able to sign him to a long term deal at that point and maybe at a cut price. • Diggs/Godwin/Davis/Gesicki/Knox gives Buffalo the firepower they need to outdo Kansas City. Draft • It seems that this draft is extremely deep at CB. I think that Buffalo needs to go here twice. RD1 and ideally RD3 as well. Maybe even use one of our RD2 picks to trade down for extra picks to do so. • Even with the addition of LVE, Buffalo could use more depth here. Someone who could turn into a potential starter while also thriving on STs in the process. Would allow us to cut some of our older more expensive veterans. (Klein and Matekavich) • Drafting an interior OL is not a bad idea as well. We can free up some cap space by dumping Feliciano and rolling with Bates going into 2022. Would take Boettger back on a cut price. • RB is obviously a need as well. I LOVE Singletary, but we need a solid starter to rotate in with him. Moss could be that guy, but more competition is needed here. Positions of need going into the draft: •CB •NT •LB •IOL •CB •RB Keep in mind that we would have two RD2 picks in my offseason, but we would not have a 4th. Could also trade down to accumulate more draft picks. Believe in your dreams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Believe in your dreams Dude, I’m bored out of my mind watching Netflix during a COVID lockdown. What the hell else am I going to do? 😆👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Well, Gunner, my dear sparring partner, allow me to dissect your post like a dead frog in a high school science class. Godwin 1. As far as Godwin is concerned, you do realize that he is coming off of a torn ACL, right? Not only did he tear his ACL, but he tore it towards the end of the season and to make matters worse, it typically takes at least a year for someone to recover from such an injury and that’s if they’re ever the same again at all. 2. Also, you pointed out that Godwin is looking at $18M/yr. While that may have been true before he got injured, that is not even remotely true for him after blowing out his knee. 3. Godwin was in a contract year before he got hurt, now that he is damaged goods, he will 100% absolutely and unequivocally will not receive a huge contract. He will be on a 1/yr prove it deal. I will admit that 31 teams will be fighting for his services, but he will not be going to a team with a QB carousel, he will be going to a team with an elite QB like Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers, etc. As far as Edmunds is concerned: 1. We should easily be able to squeeze a 2nd out of him, no matter what scheme that team plays in. You will not find a better raw prospect than him in RD2. 2. The Raiders have had terrible luck at LB. They are extremely needy in terms of LB. Why not take a gamble here? As far as Mike Gesicki is concerned: 1. It is a very unlikely reality that he escapes Miami, but in the event that he did, he should 100% be on Buffalo’s radar. You bring up blocking, but you do realize that he is 6’6 265lbs right? Not only does he run like a gazelle, he has the raw talent and size to be a premier blocker as well. 2. It’s also worth pointing out that $11M/yr, is his projected contract value, which would absolutely be in line with what the Bills could afford. 3. Also, Gesicki has put up very solid, if not very good numbers with terrible QB play in Miami. With Allen as his QB, Gesicki may very well be our Kelce. As far as Leighton Vander-Esch or “LVE” is concerned. I knew not that he was a FA, but since is a FA, it makes my desire for us to sign him to be all the more enticing. Anyways, we’ve been back and forth over the years, I remember very vividly when you went after me for wanting Josh Allen way back when. Every time I told you that he was the better prospect than Josh Rosen you ripped me post after post, but since you are this boards honorary self proclaimed GM and draft guru, I tend to wonder about your accuracy at this point. I find it hilarious that you rip me time after time when you have the Bills taking a 1yr wonder with a torn ACL in the first round! HAHAHA! Anyways, thanks for critiquing me, it was good for a laugh! I don’t really take your posts seriously and I find it funny that so many do. 1. I never mentioned Goodwin wanting $18m a year. But he will get a proper deal he will not need to take a 1 year prove it deal. 2. Edmunds will not go to the Raiders because he is not a scheme fit for their defense. I actually think the Bills will extend him (not saying I would) but if they make him available for trade it will not be Las Vegas who gets on the phone. It makes no sense from a scheme perspective. 3. Mike Gesicki is a darn good receiver. I wanted the Bills to draft him when he was coming out. But a tight end who allows you to run two tight end packages because he can block he is not. He actually took fewer than 100 snaps this year as a "tight end" by the true definition of that word. He plays almost exclusively as a slot receiver who runs vertical seam routes and corner routes. I am not against signing Gesicki. Or saying the Bills can't afford him. I am saying there is a reason Miami don't ask him to block. He is awful at it. He is a tight end in name only. He is a "big slot" by his position on the football field. 4. My point on LVE was purely why would you trade for a FA? 5. Yes, I was wrong on Josh Allen. That is well established. No denial here. I hated the pick and he is at worst the 2nd best Quarterback in the NFL 4 years later. Never been happier to be wrong. 6. On my mocks they are not what I WANT to happen. They are an honest attempt to play out a scenario. The three guys I really want to be there at #25 are widely known on this board. As I put that mock together all 3 were gone and I don't artificially try and make a guy I want fall to the Bills. In a scenario where the draft played like that I think Williams would be in the Bills' serious consideration. That conclusion is based on the things Beane in particular has said. There have been years where his thought process has been nothing like mine (2020) there have been other years (2019) where it has been very close. And even last year I said here on draft day before pick #1 I thought the pick would be either Rousseau or Etienne. 7. You are entitled to set out your ideal offseason plan like anyone is. But when it has us trading for a guy who is a FA and trading a guy to a team he is not a scheme fit for you are going to get legitimate challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 4 hours ago, DCofNC said: IDGAF what Sportrac says, OBJ is gonna get more than Patterson. OBJ is a legit super star, albeit one who has had a couple down years, Patterson is a never has been who became a primary weapon on a team devoid of talent. I want Patterson here, BUT what OBJ is doing in the playoffs is going to make him money and make Cleveland look even more stupid. He going to get over 10M next season and Patterson would be lucky to get 7M from a desperate team. My point was people were insinuating that Patterson could be some type of under the radar signing. He's not, and it would seem he would be looking for his big payday (he hasn't had one yet and this will probably be his one and only). OBJ, on the other hand, seems to come with a lot more intrigue. According to you (and me) he looks criminally underestimated by Spotrac at $5.6M . So, yes, OBJ's value is increasing, but to where? And with the uncertainty I think there may be an opportunity. I think OBJ would be worth $10M next year, and if the Bills offer is in the ballpark vs the Clev, NEs, and Jets of the world - I think he would opt for the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said: My point was people were insinuating that Patterson could be some type of under the radar signing. He's not, and it would seem he would be looking for his big payday (he hasn't had one yet and this will probably be his one and only). OBJ, on the other hand, seems to come with a lot more intrigue. According to you (and me) he looks criminally underestimated by Spotrac at $5.6M . So, yes, OBJ's value is increasing, but to where? And with the uncertainty I think there may be an opportunity. I think OBJ would be worth $10M next year, and if the Bills offer is in the ballpark vs the Clev, NEs, and Jets of the world - I think he would opt for the Bills. I would LOVE OBJ on the Bills, really hoped they would grab him this year. Patterson has the attention of the league for sure, I don’t see him getting a big deal though, I’d guess 5-6 mill for 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 On 2/4/2022 at 11:14 AM, benderbender said: We would need these rumors of suddenly being a FA destination to be true. Perhaps we can speak it into being. you don’t think we are a fa destination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 15 hours ago, RyanC883 said: you don’t think we are a fa destination? I think we are or could be. But with being tight on the CAP, I don't think we will be any kind of big players in FA this year. Outside of signing some of our own, I can only see 3 or 4 mid to lower level FA signings to fill in gaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Chandler Jones, Brandon Scherff or Norwell, Fournette resign Neal, and Horrible Harry Draft WR and CB with our first two picks. Josh gets OL fortified, a shiny new WR, and a solid RB with pass catching ability. Bills D gets a monster at Edge! Jones, Oliver, Harry, Groot with AJ, Boogie, According to the projections- Chandler $16 million, Norwell $8 million, Fournette $8 million- $32 million- we can finagle that. And if can only sign 2- Jones and pick 1 Chandler Jones would be my #1 FA target! After securing pass rush, my priorities would be Josh- OL, WR, RB, TE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 So we have 18 FA's and 8 draft picks. That leaves us with 10 spots to fill (not including cuts for cap). Which of our own are we going to keep/sign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 I'm still holding out hope for this signing and think he is more relevant now than when I made this thread. A fast, 3rd down back who can also line up in the slot.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, Virgil said: I'm still holding out hope for this signing and think he is more relevant now than when I made this thread. A fast, 3rd down back who can also line up in the slot.... And return kickoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aross3415 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I am really hoping for this! I think he could definitely be used like Deebo… would add a lot to our offense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, Virgil said: I'm still holding out hope for this signing and think he is more relevant now than when I made this thread. A fast, 3rd down back who can also line up in the slot.... Can they afford him now? I think Beane might have pushed it as far as he can already… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 On 2/4/2022 at 8:04 AM, Virgil said: Even at age 31, I would love to see us make a run at Patterson. I don't think 31 is old in the NFL anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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