McKenzie Talks 13 seconds

[Buffalo Barbarian]

10 hours ago, letsgoteam said:

I'm not not one to usually hit the panic button, but if I.K TRULY doesn't know what happened. When he is the "Adam S." of team news, then that tells me there is probably a lot of guys that don't know. 

 

Things could go south quickly next season if things don't fall a certain way. 

 

maybe being on offense he didn't get the details but no way "nobody" knows, im not buying it.

 

 

9 hours ago, Einstein said:

Forget speed.

 

Im more concerned that McDermott has not given the players any explanation for what occurred on Sunday.

That is deeply disappointing.

 

the defense knows, there is no way that they dont and Lorenzo Alexander said the same thing today on the extra point show.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

maybe being on offense he didn't get the details but no way "nobody" knows, im not buying it.

 

Somebody knows.

 

For one thing, Erik Turner's comment on Ty Dunne/Isaiah McKenzie's show:

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Somebody knows.

 

For one thing, Erik Turner's comment on Ty Dunne/Isaiah McKenzie's show:

 

 

McKenzie is full of s#!t  he has a reputation for being a jokester and whining about being benched, I cant trust if what he says saying here is true or not. He just maybe useing this as a jab at McDermott before he leaves.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

I take it that English is not your first language. 

 

Please show me where in my original post I used the word "proven."  I will wait.

 

P.S. Actually, I am not going to wait. Spoiler alert: it is not there.

 

 

He has neither "shown" nor "proven" that he can be a Beasley type(but with speed!).

 

He's "shown" that he can get you 175-285 yards a season and frustrate his coaching staff enough to not give him a lot more chances.

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

 

To be fair, he said he slept in and missed McDermott's final address to the players.  Maybe Sean discussed it then, but I doubt it.  

 

If he said that then he really has no idea and his whole spiel was just a hot take directed at McDermott. Someone who sleeps in over going to the final meeting is not dedicate to this team or football.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

13 hours ago, beebe said:

Most interesting part of the chat was definitely on the subject of communication. He essentially said, and I'm paraphrasing: "McDermott is details, details, details. All offseason. Spring and summer. All the time. Obsessive. We spend time going over these things. Communication is always stressed. And then, 13 seconds left, it all breaks down. And nobody knows what we are doing. Nobody knows why this happened." 

That's why I was so confident that we had the game won because I didn't think we were dealing with Wade Phillips here.  I even thought kicking the extra point was risky because if they blocked it and returned if for two the game they'd tie the game.  The disconnect between what we know about McDermott and what happened at the end of the game will forever stand out to me.  The special teams miscommunication was weird and maybe Bass forgot his hearing aids (I kid).  Then McDermott and Frazier played scared not wanting to be beat over the top.  The Chiefs meanwhile had to have perfect execution and they did.  Unless we win a Super Bowl, the 13 seconds will haunt McDermott and Bills fans the rest of our lives. 

[Dr. Who]

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Mahomes led the NFL in yards gained on throws at or behind the LOS.  Allen was like third.  So we do pretty well at this too.

I saw a stat, I don't know the provenance, that indicated Mahomes had a huge YAC percentage of yards and that Allen had few. Maybe that's not true, but it sure seems like most of our yardage through the air is point to point without a lot of YAC.

[Bill from NYC]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I could give you a LONG list of ex-Bills who had one or a handful of huge games and clearly weren't special.

I have one lol!

Who was that running back who ran for like a million yards against Miami in what was a playoff game iirc?  Before that game 3 yards was a long gain for him, or so it seemed.. He looked very strong but he seemed to never gain yardage. Never.

[Pbomb]

Gonna be hard to replace a guy that has had a couple good games and a few random catches and runs over 3 and half years. 

[T master]

21 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Allen and the Bills by proxy made him a lot of money this year 

 

 

 

I believe that will be the biggest reason he won't come back MONEY which is what the NFL is all about . I don't think Sanders will be back i would like to see McKenzie come back if they could take some of the money they gave Sanders but i think Mac will go for  lot more so i think he's gone !

 

But Beane does his thing every year & finds those guys to fill the gaps but if Mckenzie puts himself out there & doesn't consider coming back i think Bill will pay him like he has done in the past with a couple of other good Bills players .

[RunTheBall]

Idk I like McKenzie but I see him and an easily replaceable cog in the machine. He’s a gadget guy who stepped up one big game for us when needed. The question is, do we think he can do that consistently? I don’t think so. Some team will throw more money at him than we are going to want to spend on a guy who can be replaced. He’s not a Cole replacement, he’s a completely different type of player. Beasley will be here another year prob with a contract extension/revision to clear up some cap room. We can get another speed/gadget guy to try and develop either through FA or the draft.

[stevestojan]

57 minutes ago, Pbomb said:

Gonna be hard to replace a guy that has had a couple good games and a few random catches and runs over 3 and half years. 

Exactly. I think fans loved his antics more than his play. I fell for his heroics to at the NE game, but there’s a reason he is where he is in the depth chart. He’ll never be WR2. 
 

He’s replaceable. Moving on. 

[Lenigmusx]

22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ive listened to these pretty much every week and referenced in the thread where I don’t think he’s returning - he made a lot of comments all year about things he doesn’t like. Personally, I think it’s time he look at some other options if he has them. 

It’s funny I think this is where Beane steps in and says… better younger player for less money. We keep McKenzie and let Beasley and Sanders walk. I think the starting WR are Diggs, Davis and McKenzie. Stephenson and Isiah Hodgkins 4 and 5

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

McKenzie is full of s#!t  he has a reputation for being a jokester and whining about being benched, I cant trust if what he says saying here is true or not. He just maybe useing this as a jab at McDermott before he leaves.

 

What part of that show was McKenzie full of *****?   Not saying that I disagree, I'd like to understand that as a response to what I posted.  That said ....Yolo posted upthread that McKenzie said he slept through McDermott's address to the team on Monday am so there's that.  I didn't hear it in the show, but I could have missed it.

 

Benched: He made a couple twitter/insta posts, but his teammates said he came in high energy and worked hard as always.  Is it the couple of instagram posts "Hurts" and "Damn!" that constitute whining?

 

McKenzie definitely has a reputation as a jokester and for stirring the ***** with trash talk.  Said he got on the plane and right away called out the defense.  Well, they needed to be called out.

32 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Exactly. I think fans loved his antics more than his play. I fell for his heroics to at the NE game, but there’s a reason he is where he is in the depth chart. He’ll never be WR2. 
 

He’s replaceable. Moving on. 

 

Oh, I loved his play.  Remember it's not just the NE game, but the final game vs Miami last season.  He had a couple ST TDs in other games called back for penalties, too.  But he had his chance to show he could be the full-time KR/PR, and he muffed it.  He wants his chance to show he can be the full time slot guy, and he'll probably get it - but I'm not sure he'll get it here.

 

My feeling is that McKenzie is a guy who is holding himself back with the same hard-headedness that got him this far.   He's had to "tune out the noise" of people telling him he wasn't good enough and couldn't do it, to believe in himself and keep grinding.  But that also means tuning out people who are trying to coach you to improve and help you reach another level sometimes.  I thought that came out pretty clearly between the lines of what he said during the show.  The coaches are telling him stuff he needs to work on and he's not arguing, maybe even nodding, but inside he's "yeah yeah, we'll see."

[Hapless Bills Fan]

55 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Idk I like McKenzie but I see him and an easily replaceable cog in the machine.

 

What's not easily replaceable about McKenzie is his speed and quickness.  He's that Fast Guy who has shown he can actually develop into a football player, though it took him a couple years.  He can block now, surprisingly well for a small guy.  He can run actual routes and make moves now.  He's starting to be used out of the backfield.

 

But he still has flaws, and maybe they're fatal flaws to him taking the next step.  Ball security is the biggy.

 

9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

the defense knows, there is no way that they dont and Lorenzo Alexander said the same thing today on the extra point show.

 

What show is this?  I'd like to listen, do you have a linky or point me at where to find it online?

[Peter]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He has neither "shown" nor "proven" that he can be a Beasley type(but with speed!).

 

He's "shown" that he can get you 175-285 yards a season and frustrate his coaching staff enough to not give him a lot more chances.

 

 

The guy seized the opportunity he was given. He showed what he could do.

 

How? Because he did it.

 

Sure, go ahead and try to take it away from him. Let's all pretend that he did not perform the way he did when he was given the chance to play an extensive role.

 

I am glad that you (unintentionally) admitted that you misstated my original point and are now backtracking. I also know you like to argue and get the last word in so I will let you get the last word in. I really don't care. 

 

God bless.

 

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by Peter

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Great guy, but unfortunately McD did him dirty and I don’t expect him to return to the team. 

[Punching Bag]

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

What show is this?  I'd like to listen, do you have a linky or point me at where to find it online?

is this it?

https://omny.fm/shows/the-extra-point-with-sal-capaccio/exp-who-needs-to-step-up-for-the-bills-for-them-to

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Great guy, but unfortunately McD did him dirty and I don’t expect him to return to the team. 

 

You know, that untouched fumble in the Colts game was something a lot of coaches would bench a guy for

 

If it's true that McKenzie was fumbling or muffing punts in practice as well, he really deserved to be benched (I don't know if it's true, I keep asking for a source on this rumor and getting blanked)

 

McKenzie did himself dirty if true

 

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

is this it?

https://omny.fm/shows/the-extra-point-with-sal-capaccio/exp-who-needs-to-step-up-for-the-bills-for-them-to

 

 

Not that episode (it's from Dec 30th) but it might be one of the shows listed here:

https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/podcasts/the-extra-point-with-sal-capaccio-20270

 

I can't get them to play for me, though, tried 2 different browsers.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

The guy seized the opportunity he was given. He showed what he could do.

 

How? Because he did it.

 

Sure, go ahead and try to take it away from him. Let's all pretend that he did not perform the way he did when he was given the chance to play an extensive role.

 

I am glad that you (unintentionally) admitted that you misstated my original point and are now backtracking. I also know you like to argue and get the last word in so I will let you get the last word in. I really don't care. 

 

God bless.

 

 

 

 

There is no difference between shown and proven in this instance...........you are cowering behind the vagueness.

 

Isaiah McKenzie put up 177 yards receiving on the season...........and after his "Duke Williams" game with both Beasley and Davis out in New England he put up just 6 receptions for 63 yards in his last 4 games while getting that more "extensive" role.     That's another sub 300 yard season pace.

 

You have irrational faith in Isaiah McKenzie like some had with Duke Williams..........you aren't going to own it........you'd rather look ignorant by making statements like he's shown he can be a faster version of Cole Beasley(who has proven he could take a high volume beating and keep producing for a decade).

 

I like McKenzie too............I'd keep him on a cheap contract again and continue to use him as a gadget player...........but if you think he is going to put up 800 yards receiving for the next many years you should probably contact draft kings and put some coin down because nobody in their right mind thinks that.