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On 1/26/2022 at 3:00 PM, SCBills said:

Thirteen seconds left, with three timeouts, just needing a FG, is not as miraculous as it's been made out to be.  Especially with guys who have the arm talent of Allen & Mahomes.

 

That said, no we are not.  

 

Three plays were needed to get them into FG range.  The special teams unit screwed up the first play.  Then the defense screwed up the next two.  If 1 out of those 3 plays is executed properly, we win.  

U mean called properly, the play call was the problem the defense couldn’t do anything to stop the Chiefs when there already giving up the yards for free. 
 

2 DTs preferably Star and Harry to plug the middle so Mahomes can’t run. 

 

2 LBers - Rouse and Edmunds , Rouse to jam KELCE and Edmunds on Hill . 
 

7 Secondary Players to flood the middle of the field and over the top. 
 

If we ran this type of defensive formation the game would of been over. Mahomes would of needed time to find a open wr he’s would of eaten at least 6-7 secs on each play. 

 

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On 1/27/2022 at 1:23 PM, extrahammer said:

I think it's a bit far fetched to say that based on a 3 second differential, really splitting hairs at that point, different matchup, and even in that matchup, the Chiefs lost, so that example is bad because it came down to a flip of the coin that went NE's way. Were Chiefs fans saying that was the worst thing in their history? There were 59 other minutes in the game people are dismissing that could have affected and avoided the last 13 seconds. Truly. All of this focus on McD and the last 13 seconds is just to keep sports talk radio in the area alive. Truly. 

Well, the defense sucked for the first 59:47 of the game as well.

 

Why did the offense wait so long to attack downfield when Mathieu went out?  

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3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

They oddly played for the Hail Mary and also the sidelines….. just a complete head scratching sequence. Perhaps the “Hail Murray” was on their minds and it freaked them out. 
 

Not sure, but I do agree with some that suggest the Bills were out-coached much of the game. Two wasted possessions of taking it out of their best players hands in the middle of the game allowed the Chiefs to build a 9 point lead which should’ve been more if not for a missed extra point and missed FG. 

When are we gonna stop letting previous blunders came back to burn us over and over again. When u get beat by a Hail Mary that’s basically what it is a prayer . A coach can’t let those things bother him he just needs to put it in the bad beat category and move on. Those are 1% probability plays it’s just amazing to me that we continue to be haunted by such things. 

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Yes. We are truly overreacting.

 

13 seconds is still a big deal though, but I think this will not haunt us. I mean, I already moved on myself AFTER seeing how Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs had a nuclear meltdown against Joe Burrow's Cincinnati Bengals in the AFC Title game.

 

I'm happy that I'm not a Kansas City Chiefs fan. Holy crap. They have TONS of questions this Summer about the defense. I honestly think their DC has to be fired immediately, no questions asked. And the personnel on defense has to be changed up.

 

Truth is Mahomes Magic has weaknesses.

 

What a bunch of frauds. They gave us their best punch, but got cocky and ran out of gas against Cincinnati. The Bengals studied our mistakes from the Divisional game and capitalized on that.

 

And our defense WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH to beat Mahomes. Simply put, our defense collapsed. We didn't have a power running game. That flaw showed up, too.

 

GM Beane really has to strengthen our defense with hard hitters, discipline, and SPEED. The Bengals did just that. Why can't us? The Bengals got roughly 4 sacks, 2 picks, 2 tackles for loss, near sacks and near interceptions. That got into Mahomes' head; mind games. Mahomes had plenty of time in the pocket and he doubted everything.

 

The path to the Superbowl no longer goes through Kansas City. Let's face it...next year's Buffalo Bills (without major injuries) will crush Mahomes anyway. This doesn't mean that we're dismissing the Chiefs. No way. We're not dismissing anyone. It's just Mahomes is weak now. Their nuclear melt down was a huge hit to his legacy and their fan base's spirit.

 

The path now goes through Cincinnati and Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is undefeated in close games or something like that since college (correct me if I'm wrong). He's probably the new Tom Brady. Also, The Bengals defense is damn good.

 

13 seconds. So what?

 

Kansas City Chiefs cannot live theirs down. I don't want to be them. This nuclear meltdown will be talked a lot ad nauseam. This is going to haunt them for a long time.

 

- Atlanta Falcons never recovered from their nuclear meltdown against Tom Brady in the Super Bowl.

- Houston Oilers never recovered from our 1993 playoff comeback.

- The Tennessee Titans never recovered from the inches short from winning the Super Bowl against Kurt Warner's Rams.

- Seattle Seahawks has not recovered from QB Russell Wilson's fatal interception at the Super Bowl against Tom Brady and the Patriots.

 

We ACTUALLY recovered from Wide Right because we made 3 straight SB appearances after that. We circle the effin' wagons. We just didn't recover from Music City Miracle, and benching Doug Flutie for Rob Johnson, until 2019. That's a long damn recovery.

 

We're here now. I'm happy we did not go through a playoff nuclear melt down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Funny the moderators buried the Cincy squib kick Threads (merged in the 94 page game analysis).

 

I guess Bills fans can't talk about it as a thread.

 

See how simple that was to perform.  5-6 seconds off the clock and was returned to the 19 yard line.  

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5 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Yes. We are truly overreacting.

 

13 seconds is still a big deal though, but I think this will not haunt us. I mean, I already moved on myself AFTER seeing how Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs had a nuclear meltdown against Joe Burrow's Cincinnati Bengals in the AFC Title game.

 

I'm happy that I'm not a Kansas City Chiefs fan. Holy crap. They have TONS of questions this Summer about the defense. I honestly think their DC has to be fired immediately, no questions asked. And the personnel on defense has to be changed up.

 

Truth is Mahomes Magic has weaknesses.

 

What a bunch of frauds. They gave us their best punch, but got cocky and ran out of gas against Cincinnati. The Bengals studied our mistakes from the Divisional game and capitalized on that.

 

And our defense WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH to beat Mahomes. Simply put, our defense collapsed. We didn't have a power running game. That flaw showed up, too.

 

GM Beane really has to strengthen our defense with hard hitters, discipline, and SPEED. The Bengals did just that. Why can't us? The Bengals got roughly 4 sacks, 2 picks, 2 tackles for loss, near sacks and near interceptions. That got into Mahomes' head; mind games. Mahomes had plenty of time in the pocket and he doubted everything.

 

The path to the Superbowl no longer goes through Kansas City. Let's face it...next year's Buffalo Bills (without major injuries) will crush Mahomes anyway. This doesn't mean that we're dismissing the Chiefs. No way. We're not dismissing anyone. It's just Mahomes is weak now. Their nuclear melt down was a huge hit to his legacy and their fan base's spirit.

 

The path now goes through Cincinnati and Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is undefeated in close games or something like that since college (correct me if I'm wrong). He's probably the new Tom Brady. Also, The Bengals defense is damn good.

 

13 seconds. So what?

 

Kansas City Chiefs cannot live theirs down. I don't want to be them. This nuclear meltdown will be talked a lot ad nauseam. This is going to haunt them for a long time.

 

- Atlanta Falcons never recovered from their nuclear meltdown against Tom Brady in the Super Bowl.

- Houston Oilers never recovered from our 1993 playoff comeback.

- The Tennessee Titans never recovered from the inches short from winning the Super Bowl against Kurt Warner's Rams.

- Seattle Seahawks has not recovered from QB Russell Wilson's fatal interception at the Super Bowl against Tom Brady and the Patriots.

 

We ACTUALLY recovered from Wide Right because we made 3 straight SB appearances after that. We circle the effin' wagons. We just didn't recover from Music City Miracle, and benching Doug Flutie for Rob Johnson, until 2019. That's a long damn recovery.

 

We're here now. I'm happy we did not go through a playoff nuclear melt down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This team is different than the other playoff Buffalo Bills teams. There was no self “victimization” on any level that was out there by this team post game and that big. Josh Allen post game comments show a lot about him and I think that when we meet KC next year in playoffs that we crush them. Don’t even think it’s gonna be close. I think we’ll be way more aggressive on D as well. 

 

The overreactions to this loss are understandable but aren’t accurate. The reactions are in large part because of the relationship and love this fan base has with Buffalo Bills.

 

 

 

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On 1/29/2022 at 9:17 PM, Bermuda Triangle said:

Well, the defense sucked for the first 59:47 of the game as well.

 

Why did the offense wait so long to attack downfield when Mathieu went out?  

While the defense wasn’t at their best in this game two facts remain. The score was tied at halftime, and the Bills had the lead with just 13 seconds to go. You can always pick apart other moments in the game, but these are the most important points. 

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4 hours ago, Mikey said:

This team is different than the other playoff Buffalo Bills teams. There was no self “victimization” on any level that was out there by this team post game and that big. Josh Allen post game comments show a lot about him and I think that when we meet KC next year in playoffs that we crush them. Don’t even think it’s gonna be close. I think we’ll be way more aggressive on D as well. 

 

The overreactions to this loss are understandable but aren’t accurate. The reactions are in large part because of the relationship and love this fan base has with Buffalo Bills.

 

 

 

 

I already stated this. Why are you repeating what I wrote?

 

So you agree with me. Thanks.

 

A nuclear meltdown in the playoffs is 10,000x worse than 13 Seconds.

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It was a heartbreaking loss to say the least but overall a will played game. I think had the Chiefs not had any time outs it would have been far worse. I also think it would have been far worse to have lost on a fluke play like the "Music City Miracle". The team played well and the defensive play calling and defensive play in the end cost the Bills the game. It really just came down to who had the ball last. The will to win for both quarterbacks was off the charts and I would like to think had Allen had the ball in his hands in over time the Bills would have one. I don't think that any fan should feel ashamed of this one and I personally feel nothing but pride for the way they played. It simply didn't go the Bills way this time and they will live to fight another day.  

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53 minutes ago, Lane Meyer K12 said:

It was a heartbreaking loss to say the least but overall a will played game. I think had the Chiefs not had any time outs it would have been far worse. I also think it would have been far worse to have lost on a fluke play like the "Music City Miracle". The team played well and the defensive play calling and defensive play in the end cost the Bills the game. It really just came down to who had the ball last. The will to win for both quarterbacks was off the charts and I would like to think had Allen had the ball in his hands in over time the Bills would have one. I don't think that any fan should feel ashamed of this one and I personally feel nothing but pride for the way they played. It simply didn't go the Bills way this time and they will live to fight another day.  

The MCM was a comedy of errors that started when Rob Johnson was named the starter, sh!t the bed and still a # of coaching and play calling blunders.  Add to that it was a forward lateral (will forever be convinced) and let's face it was a Wildcard Playoff game.    

 

This was supposedly the SB matchup between the two best teams that was lost because of coaching blunders one after another in the final 13 seconds.  

 

Sorry this was worst way to lose.

 

BTW just listening to Bill Simmons and he called the Cincy Squib kick at the end of the half vs. KC as an FU to the Bills.....

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every single thing that happened after the heroic TD w 13 on the clock was disgusting.

 

the kick was either a coaching brain fart, or the order just didn't get through to the kicker, hard to tell which is worse.

 

the d we lined up in was a joke, and we got slashed right away.  the fact that they called TO's, and showed that line up, and then lined up in it again shows our coaches (frazier, perhaps McD, can't be certain who made it happen) just suck bad when the chips are down.  

 

the coaching staff put the players in a position to fail and got what they asked for.  

 

while there is zero chance mcd gets the boot, and it seems like a declining chance we will be rid of frazier, if we don't get to the super bowl next year (barring allen injury or the like) i suspect mcd's seat gets very warm.

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Fans are not overreacting to the loss.  The kickoff deep is defensible.  The miscommunication on the play is not.  Neither are the defensive play calls on the last two plays before the tying FG.  Inexcusable.  And that’s not even getting into the defense the entire game.

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50 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Fans are not overreacting to the loss.  The kickoff deep is defensible.  The miscommunication on the play is not.  Neither are the defensive play calls on the last two plays before the tying FG.  Inexcusable.  And that’s not even getting into the defense the entire game.

In terms of the overall defensive game plan, it seems rather rudimentary, so perhaps I am simply missing something, but why didn't we have a spy on Mahomes as it appears the Bengals did? Whenever we got pressure on Mahomes, which was fairly often, his running killed us. Now, his decision making appears to have been erratic after the debacle at the end of the half vs. Cincy, nonetheless, spinning around like a chicken was much more evident in the AFCCG and I suspect a dedicated spy that helped eliminate long runs was part of that.

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On 1/27/2022 at 4:56 AM, cv05 said:
  • Are we over-reacting to the 13 seconds? 

 

 

Without the slightest bit of doubt. 

 

Recency bias

Fallacy of composition

Negativity bias

Loss aversion

 

All logical fallacies that tie into this overreaction.

 

Doesn't mean we should ignore it, of course. It was bad. But yeah, we're overreacting.

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Our 13 seconds was an unmitigated disaster of coaching. Most other horrific Buffalo sports moments are based On a player not executing. This is all on coaching and is a stain that may not be gone until the fabric it’s on is cut out.

19 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Without the slightest bit of doubt. 

 

Recency bias

Fallacy of composition

Negativity bias

Loss aversion

 

All logical fallacies that tie into this overreaction.

 

Doesn't mean we should ignore it, of course. It was bad. But yeah, we're overreacting.

No, we’re not.

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22 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

 

I already stated this. Why are you repeating what I wrote?

 

So you agree with me. Thanks.

 

A nuclear meltdown in the playoffs is 10,000x worse than 13 Seconds.

I quoted you because it’s the stance I’ve had as well and wanted to add more of my take on it as well. My bad if it’s just supposed to quote posts we disagree with. 

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13 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Fans are not overreacting to the loss.  The kickoff deep is defensible.  The miscommunication on the play is not.  Neither are the defensive play calls on the last two plays before the tying FG.  Inexcusable.  And that’s not even getting into the defense the entire game.

I've said all week the game was lost on the kickoff. Either a pop (preferred) or squib would've done the job forcing a hail mary into fg range.  I love how McD, Farwell and Bass are all under the cone of silence. We're just going to have to navigate around a good HC who struggles with in game decisions. 

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