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Our defense always seems to come up short in the playoffs


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2 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Chiefs had 7 games this year where they scored 24 points or fewer.

 

24 vs Chargers 

20 vs Bills

3 @ Titans

20 vs Giants

13 vs Packers

19 vs Cowboys 

22 vs Broncos 

 

Let’s not act like the Chiefs offense is some unstoppable force, we just always seem to make them look unstoppable during the playoffs.

 

So they’re inconsistent like most NFL teams. The Bills game plan and their own lack of offense in last years playoffs contributed. When they’re on, not many teams ( if any) have a player to cover Hill or Kelce. You need to rally to the ball and make form tackles if you play the style the Bills defense does. They didn’t do that particularly well but you really need to beat the Chiefs with offense. The Bills did that and a better plan would have killed off the 13 seconds. Could the Bills get better on defense ? Sure but make every effort to improve the offense even more. Chances are in the playoffs you are going to get a teams best. That happened last night. Better coaching wins this game. 

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

2020 SB champs…. Thanks to a decimated Chiefs offensive line.😅

 

Still there is no question the Bills defense looks slow as ***** whenever they play the Chiefs…. They seemed much more aggressive in the week 5 match up. 

I agree the plan seemed more aggressive in October. I’m guessing Andy Reid would destroy that plan if you did the same things again . Maybe the Bills coaches were less comfortable without White at CB. Kelce seemed to move around a lot more than he did in October. Anyway, Josh Allen was the Bills meal ticket here and he performed. This really came down to a bad plan to manage the final seconds. 

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I understand rules are biased in favor of offense.  It just feels like Bills defenses always fail in two key areas, pass rush and missed tackles.  I can forgive being beaten by insane speedsters like Hill.  It's going to happen.  It just makes me throw up in my mouth when the first contact or two miss a tackle that turns into a 8+ yard play.

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53 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I just hope Terry and Kim ask Sean to fire Frazier,  for the good of this franchise and to help Allen we need an attacking style defence. Those two plays during that last 13 secs represents how Frazier believes you need to play defence.  

They run Sean McDermott‘s scheme. Frazier has said that,” McDermott doesn’t like to blitz” If Frazier leaves the job will go to Coach Washington. 

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42 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Chiefs had 7 games this year where they scored 24 points or fewer.

 

24 vs Chargers 

20 vs Bills

3 @ Titans

20 vs Giants

13 vs Packers

19 vs Cowboys 

22 vs Broncos 

 

Let’s not act like the Chiefs offense is some unstoppable force, we just always seem to make them look unstoppable during the playoffs.

 

....because we're basically playing with 1 LB(58) and 1 DL pass rusher(91)....our front 6 needs a bigtime upgrade. 

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Is this tactic legal?  When Mahomes leaves the pocket he's a potential runner so we can knock down his receivers.

 

I've seen this done but the rules may have closed this loophole.

 

I hope not.  Everyone loves a good loophole.

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3 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

Chiefs had 7 games this year where they scored 24 points or fewer.

 

24 vs Chargers 

20 vs Bills

3 @ Titans

20 vs Giants

13 vs Packers

19 vs Cowboys 

22 vs Broncos 

 

Let’s not act like the Chiefs offense is some unstoppable force, we just always seem to make them look unstoppable during the playoffs.

 

They had an unexpected slump early in the year, but everyone knows that they turn it on in the playoffs. They are as unstoppable of an offense as there has ever been in the NFL.

 

That's why they are hosting their 4th straight AFC Championship game in KC, even with having downright bad defenses a couple of those years.

 

The Chiefs are really good. So are the Bills, BTW.

3 hours ago, popcornpam said:

They run Sean McDermott‘s scheme. Frazier has said that,” McDermott doesn’t like to blitz” If Frazier leaves the job will go to Coach Washington. 

Blitzing Mahomes is suicide. Everyone knows that. You need pressure with the front 4. Go look at his splits when he is blitzed versus not blitzed.

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It is clearly time for a change of defensive philosophy. Josh Allen and the offense did all that they could humanly do to win a playoff game and the defense squandered that effort. Multiple times through the regular season the defense could not step up and win a game when needed. Bend but don't break until it breaks just is not getting it done. Time for a change! The offense can't get much better and the Chiefs aren't getting much worse.

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7 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

There are ... other games.

The Titans game this year was as bad as KC and coming off beating KC and letting Ryan Tannehill sit in the pocket and letting Derrick Run right up the middle against every time was a disaster.

2 hours ago, MJS said:

They had an unexpected slump early in the year, but everyone knows that they turn it on in the playoffs. They are as unstoppable of an offense as there has ever been in the NFL.

 

That's why they are hosting their 4th straight AFC Championship game in KC, even with having downright bad defenses a couple of those years.

 

The Chiefs are really good. So are the Bills, BTW.

Blitzing Mahomes is suicide. Everyone knows that. You need pressure with the front 4. Go look at his splits when he is blitzed versus not blitzed.

It worked for Brian Flores in the playoffs.

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59 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

It is clearly time for a change of defensive philosophy. Josh Allen and the offense did all that they could humanly do to win a playoff game and the defense squandered that effort. Multiple times through the regular season the defense could not step up and win a game when needed. Bend but don't break until it breaks just is not getting it done. Time for a change! The offense can't get much better and the Chiefs aren't getting much worse.

Welcome aboard!

 

The entire scheme has to go and I’m not sure how that happens without firing McD. There will have to be an ultimatum. McD needs to be “hands off” the defense entirely or we’ll get the same result next year. 
 

Josh will come first over the coaches. They are no longer safe.

 

Its either change the scheme and hire a new DC, or be fired. I think he knows it too.

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7 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

Chiefs had 7 games this year where they scored 24 points or fewer.

 

24 vs Chargers 

20 vs Bills

3 @ Titans

20 vs Giants

13 vs Packers

19 vs Cowboys 

22 vs Broncos 

 

Let’s not act like the Chiefs offense is some unstoppable force, we just always seem to make them look unstoppable during the playoffs.

 

Yeah most if not all those teams play primarily man coverage. I feel like we need a high level speed guy at CB with some zone ability.

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2 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Yeah most if not all those teams play primarily man coverage. I feel like we need a high level speed guy at CB with some zone ability.

Tre is definitely not Ronde Barber. I would entertain some trade offers. It’s all about Josh now. Noting is off the table.

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20 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

Our defense honestly sucks pretty bad.

 

-No pass rush whatsoever

-Aren't good at stopping the run

-Lack a big time play maker in the secondary

 

Honestly what is this defense even good at?

 

 

Stat padding against lesser teams? 

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A better question is why do the Bills always come up short on the road in the playoffs? Last road playoff win was the 1993 AFC championship game 29-10 over Miami. The Bills have lost their last 9 road playoff games.

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the big issues is our d has the most money, picks, and focus from hc, but they blow when the chips are down

 

our dl, highest paid!! makes zero plays.  our secondary is solid, but we lack a top flight corner when tre is out, and our lbs turn into orange cones too often.

 

i think frazier just isn't good enough, and needs to be upgraded.  we also have to re shuffle how we've built this paper tiger d

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Overvalued players that are  effective against average offenses but cannot impose their will on top QB driven teams are the culprits. Our edge rushers are pedestrian and get no pressure in rush 4 scenarios. The corners lack depth and when White goes down,they're only average. The LBs are good but they are not involved in pressure packages enough to wreck a game,like Tampa,SF, NE. With Josh most games we'll have enough offense to overcome any deficiencies, but against teams we must beat later in the playoffs, game changing plays on defense will be necessary. 

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