That was not a Football Game Last Night - Weather ruined it

[NewEra]

Just now, Ross Murdock said:

Bunch of pansy's who have probably NEVER attended a Bills game here now calling for a Dome because the team is soft. Cold weather cities with much more wealth, larger corporations for luxury boxes, and much larger average salaries had chances and the monies to build a dome in the last 15 years, but because they know the NFL's legacy and history is tied to playing in the elements. I didn't hear Browns fans - Packer fans - Bronco fans - Bears fans - Patriot fans - Steelers fans - Bengal fans - Eagles fans - Jets/Giants fans - Seahawk fans - Ravens fans - clamoring for a nice comfy dome for Chardonnay sippers. I now live in Philly and the owner said he would rather sell the team than play indoors, and wouldn't pay the extra. Buffalo should be the LAST place for an expensive dome. One of the only  reason fans from around the country and indeed world cheer for the Bills is because of the weather we are known for, and being an underdog hard scrabble town. And to state the city of Buffalo would get year round use is a pathetic joke. For what? When the Trans Siberian Orchestra comes to town? Buffalo has less hotels than Toledo. If New York/New Jersey stayed outdoors, why should the state pay an extra $400M for a Dome for Buffalo? Were lucky their paying anything at all. Plus indoor football sucks. It's arena football. Only one DOME team has EVER won a Super Bowl! Vikings went to 5 SB's outdoors, none since. Give it up. If Buffalo goes indoors, they might as well move to Toronto. You people sound silly. Man up, put on a coat, go to a game. Or stay home in your comfy beds. Lastly last night was a total anomaly. The team has never played in weather like last night in it's 60 year history. So lets build a dome for a once in a century occurrence.                  

you’re such a manly man!!  

 

None of the other stadiums AVERAGE 16MPH hour winds.  The 3rd worst windy stadium averages 10mph.  Other teams don’t complain because they don’t have NEARLY as much wind as we do.  The problem is much worse in Buffalo than the other stadiums.  That isn’t a myth.  That is a fact.  Wake up

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Ross Murdock said:

Bunch of pansy's who have probably NEVER attended a Bills game here now calling for a Dome because the team is soft. Cold weather cities with much more wealth, larger corporations for luxury boxes, and much larger average salaries had chances and the monies to build a dome in the last 15 years, but because they know the NFL's legacy and history is tied to playing in the elements. I didn't hear Browns fans - Packer fans - Bronco fans - Bears fans - Patriot fans - Steelers fans - Bengal fans - Eagles fans - Jets/Giants fans - Seahawk fans - Ravens fans - clamoring for a nice comfy dome for Chardonnay sippers. I now live in Philly and the owner said he would rather sell the team than play indoors, and wouldn't pay the extra. Buffalo should be the LAST place for an expensive dome. One of the only  reason fans from around the country and indeed world cheer for the Bills is because of the weather we are known for, and being an underdog hard scrabble town. And to state the city of Buffalo would get year round use is a pathetic joke. For what? When the Trans Siberian Orchestra comes to town? Buffalo has less hotels than Toledo. If New York/New Jersey stayed outdoors, why should the state pay an extra $400M for a Dome for Buffalo? Were lucky their paying anything at all. Plus indoor football sucks. It's arena football. Only one DOME team has EVER won a Super Bowl! Vikings went to 5 SB's outdoors, none since. Give it up. If Buffalo goes indoors, they might as well move to Toronto. You people sound silly. Man up, put on a coat, go to a game. Or stay home in your comfy beds. Lastly last night was a total anomaly. The team has never played in weather like last night in it's 60 year history. So lets build a dome for a once in a century occurrence.                  

 

They don't have our winds on a consistent basis.  It doesn't matter if it's 75 degrees outside if you have those winds.  We've had more than a few games completely ruined by the weather.  This isn't baseball, each game in the NFL counts.

 

The stat of only one dome team is completely misleading because there are many teams that never play in terrible conditions and a dome isn't needed.

Plus the Rams, Saints, Colts and Seahawks have won Super Bowls....all play in domes or retractable roofs.  

How many warm weather teams have won Super Bowls?  Dolphins, Raiders, Cowboys, 49ers, Tampa etc....

Your stat is wrong.  Vikings also didn't go to 5 Super Bowls.  And they had one of the greatest offenses of all time in a dome and didn't go to a Super Bowl because of a missed chip shot FG...come on.

[Returntoglory]

I agree 100% !

In this day and age of league parity, it is not an advantage for our team to play in horrible weather as evidenced last night. 



 

[Billsfan1972]

It's just not fun.  The winds & rain make for unpleasant games every year in Buffalo.  That's just a fact.  

 

Yesterday's weather was the great equalizer.  I found very little compelling and just a sense of dread for 4 quarters.

 

[muppy]

2 hours ago, BTB said:

Have no fear…Pegula is on the phone this morning with the architect.  They are dusting off the plans for a fixed roof stadium. 

hubby last night said "well if the cost is prohibitive for a dome, maybe build a stadium that could be converted later? **shrugs** I mean Yes, last night was a bit of a unicorn weatherwise but dayum.................Im Not making excuses for the Bills D more so on offense just sayin'...no wind cancellation/reschedule protocol in the NFL handbook eh?

 

m

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, Muppy said:

hubby last night said "well if the cost is prohibitive for a dome, maybe build a stadium that could be converted later? **shrugs** I mean Yes, last night was a bit of a unicorn weatherwise but dayum.................Im Not making excuses for the Bills D more so on offense just sayin'...no wind cancellation/reschedule protocol in the NFL handbook eh?

 

m

No it's a Buffalo thing....  Every year that's the worry come November, weather....  

 

Of course the last home playoff game was 1996, so people forget. 

 

Every year I'd wager there are at least 3 games with inclement or bad weather in Buffalo.  

 

It's a running joke and that is why National TV always makes it a point to talk about it.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[Ross Murdock]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

you’re such a manly man!!  

 

None of the other stadiums AVERAGE 16MPH hour winds.  The 3rd worst windy stadium averages 10mph.  Other teams don’t complain because they don’t have NEARLY as much wind as we do.  The problem is much worse in Buffalo than the other stadiums.  That isn’t a myth.  That is a fact.  Wake up

 

I am manly, thanks for the complement. You? Not likely. NFL films has a series you can watch on Youtube. They list the top 20 games played in inclement weather. It's one of their most watched series. They didn't show one Bills game. You state no "Facts" whatsoever. Last nights game was a total one-off. Bills had never played in a game like that. And to state that other teams on great lakes like Cleveland, Chicago, Green Bay, don't play in similar weather is absurd. Soldier Field is basically built ON the lake. NFL teams in the northeast play in Noreasters. Frequently.  Watched Good Morning Football today. ALL The hosts were trolling Bills fans like YOU for now calling for a Dome because they built the wrong team for Buffalo. I hate the the Patriots but they the were TOUGHER than the Bills last night, by a lot! That's our problem. Your silly answer is to build a dome stadium the Bills and the State of New York can't and won't pay for.. It ain't going to happen. And it shouldn't. Once again. Man up!            

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No it's a Buffalo thing....  Every year that's the worry come November, weather....  

 

Of course the last home playoff game was 1996, so people forget. 

 

Every year I'd wager there are at least 3 games with inclement or bad weather in Buffalo.  

 

It's a running joke and that is why National TV always makes it a point to talk about it.

Ive been a bills fan since 1973, I remember the Ice Bowl AFC championship against the raidahs so I get that orchard park has inclement weather but That strong a wind I dont personally recall but of course I could be wrong

[CodeMonkey]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I had a thread locked saying how depressed the weather forecast had me when I saw it last week and lo & behold it ruined the game yesterday.

 

It was not fun to watch (win or lose) and please no platitudes to BB, it was a lousy game.  

 

Cold weather, while unpleasant can still be handled.  Some rain too you can work around.  A snow game when your team is playing for little can be fun to watch.

 

But a crucial Monday night game where the wind is howling just sucked the life out of last night.

 

Oh and Daboll's play calling and red zone offense has been terrible all year.  How about one play that you've been working on all year when you need it?  

I agree, boring as hell game to watch.  It's going to happen in the northeast so long as they play outdoors.  Some enjoy that and think it's a good thing.  I just find it boring to watch and almost turned it off a few times last night.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Just for fun: there is a interesting conspiracy that people/government etc can control weather

 

Every bills home game has been very poor weather, the bills are looking at building a new stadium without a roof, nfl owners are the top 1% and would theoretically have the ability to these weather machines. Could a NFL owner or 2 be really pushing for a roofed stadium? 

 

Are these things connected?????

 

Sorry I'm bored and sick of all the depressing posts 

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Muppy said:

Ive been a bills fan since 1973, I remember the Ice Bowl AFC championship against the raidahs so I get that orchard park has inclement weather but That strong a wind I dont personally recall but of course I could be wrong

I was there for that game & actually wasn't too bad.  But every year, every time I make the drive to Orchard Park I have to check the forecast and usually how many layers to wear.  I'm too old for this.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[Ross Murdock]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

They don't have our winds on a consistent basis.  It doesn't matter if it's 75 degrees outside if you have those winds.  We've had more than a few games completely ruined by the weather.  This isn't baseball, each game in the NFL counts.

 

The stat of only one dome team is completely misleading because there are many teams that never play in terrible conditions and a dome isn't needed.

Plus the Rams, Saints, Colts and Seahawks have won Super Bowls....all play in domes or retractable roofs.  

How many warm weather teams have won Super Bowls?  Dolphins, Raiders, Cowboys, 49ers, Tampa etc....

Your stat is wrong.  Vikings also didn't go to 5 Super Bowls.  And they had one of the greatest offenses of all time in a dome and didn't go to a Super Bowl because of a missed chip shot FG...come on.

Vikings went to 4 SB's. I stand corrected. And haven't gone to one since. Patriots have won more SB's than anyone, The Steelers are a close second, The Packers the same. All play in weather at least as bad as Buffalo, and in Green Bay the weather is certifiably worse. You have no argument. Your not getting your soft comfy dome. The NFL's  true lasting legacy is playing in ALL conditions. I suggest you petition for the Arena Football League to come back. Sounds like that's your kinda game.... Beane built the wrong team. Blame him.         

[LabattBlue]

Mark it down, the Pegula’s will opt for a stadium with tons of club seats/suites that will end up being a tough sell, when instead a lot of the money could have gone towards a fixed roof. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by BTB

[The Frankish Reich]

8 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said:

I agree, boring as hell game to watch.

Not boring for me because I'm a Bills fan. And probably not boring for Pats fans. 

But talking to some people this morning who are neither of the above but are merely NFL fans - the consensus is that it was a snooze fest. I don't think many stuck around till the end. It wasn't even goofy fun like the snow game a few years ago. It was just stupid watching standard and exciting parts of the game completely eliminated by weather conditions.

Edited December 7, 2021 by The Frankish Reich

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

 

I am manly, thanks for the complement. You? Not likely. NFL films has a series you can watch on Youtube. They list the top 20 games played in inclement weather. It's one of their most watched series. They didn't show one Bills game. You state no "Facts" whatsoever. Last nights game was a total one-off. Bills had never played in a game like that. And to state that other teams on great lakes like Cleveland, Chicago, Green Bay, don't play in similar weather is absurd. Soldier Field is basically built ON the lake. NFL teams in the northeast play in Noreasters. Frequently.  Watched Good Morning Football today. ALL The hosts were trolling Bills fans like YOU for now calling for a Dome because they built the wrong team for Buffalo. I hate the the Patriots but they the were TOUGHER than the Bills last night, by a lot! That's our problem. Your silly answer is to build a dome stadium the Bills and the State of New York can't and won't pay for.. It ain't going to happen. And it shouldn't. Once again. Man up!            

I’m a man that enjoys quality football being played.  Not what we saw last night.  Far from quality.  
 

we have never played in a game like that?  You mean like the playoff game vs Baltimore last year?  
 

no.  The other stadiums aren’t NEARLY as windy.  Stats have been stated average 16mph wind in our stadium.  Highest in the league.  New Jersey stadium, the 3rd windiest averages 10mph.  That’s facts.  The wind is MUCH worse in Buffalo.  Chicago is the Windy City…….and their stadium is 50% LESS windy than ours.  What other facts would you like?

 

the hosts on tv were clowning on me.  Lol.  
 

I agree with you…..if we’re going to continue to play in this stadium, we must build a different type of team.  The league has turned into a passing league. We focused on building a team that could pass and stop the pass because that’s what the majority of the games come down to.  But because I our stadium is the windiest in the league by far, we can’t build a team in that way.  We tried…..and succeeded in doing so……too bad we can succeed long term due to the weather in our stadium. 
 

 

5 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

Vikings went to 4 SB's. I stand corrected. And haven't gone to one since. Patriots have won more SB's than anyone, The Steelers are a close second, The Packers the same. All play in weather at least as bad as Buffalo, and in Green Bay the weather is certifiably worse. You have no argument. Your not getting your soft comfy dome. The NFL's  true lasting legacy is playing in ALL conditions. I suggest you petition for the Arena Football League to come back. Sounds like that's your kinda game.... Beane built the wrong team. Blame him.         

They are NOT at least as bad as Buffalo.  16MPH winds compared to 8-10mph winds.  That’s NOT the same.

[Billsfan1972]

The good news is hopefully the Bills make the playoffs and play in LA, KC, Balt or Indy......

 

Yesterday was awful to watch, but that's just my opinion.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

Vikings went to 4 SB's. I stand corrected. And haven't gone to one since. Patriots have won more SB's than anyone, The Steelers are a close second, The Packers the same. All play in weather at least as bad as Buffalo, and in Green Bay the weather is certifiably worse. You have no argument. Your not getting your soft comfy dome. The NFL's  true lasting legacy is playing in ALL conditions. I suggest you petition for the Arena Football League to come back. Sounds like that's your kinda game.... Beane built the wrong team. Blame him.         

 

LOL

What about the Cowboys and 49ers who have 10 Super Bowls between them?

Pats won Super Bowls with Tom Brady.  Who went to a warm weather team and won a Super Bowl in his first year with them lol.

I wonder why the Super Bowl is played in ideal conditions?  Hmmmm....

Green Bay doesn't have the wind, this has been explained to you but I guess you don't know what wind does.

 

If you really want to know about Arena Football, since I've know a few people who played there and the game is tougher because the field is smaller and condensed and much more pinballed.  

These guys played high level college ball and all told me Arena is rougher on the body...so quit with this internet tough guy crap.

[muppy]

9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I was there for that game & actually wasn't too bad.  But every year, every time I make the drive to Orchard Park I have to check the forecast and usually how many layers to wear.  I'm too old for this.

Im jealous man. My brother was there too he said it was So Loud that you literally could not hear the person sitting next to you. RIP goosebump game for me  and Im not talkin weather 🙂

 

m

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, Muppy said:

Im jealous man. My brother was there too he said it was So Loud that you literally could not hear the person sitting next to you. RIP goosebump game for me  and Im not talkin weather 🙂

 

m

Funny story about that game.  Bought tickets from scalper, get in the stadium and go and sit in seats.  Someone else shows up in the same seats and we start an argument, then look at our tickets & they were for the AFC Semi-Final the week before😄.  

 

We got them cheap figuring people would watch at home and ended up just wandering around for 4 seats and having a great time.

[Ghost_002!]

The elements have always been part of the game. No, it's not fun to watch a host of games like that, but those games are few and far between. If you had a problem with how the weather affected the game, i get it but you must be a causal. Because if you are a Patriot or Bills fan how were you bored? It had drama from beginning to end 

[muppy]

6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Funny story about that game.  Bought tickets from scalper, get in the stadium and go and sit in seats.  Someone else shows up in the same seats and we start an argument, then look at our tickets & they were for the AFC Semi-Final the week before😄.  

 

We got them cheap figuring people would watch at home and ended up just wandering around for 4 seats and having a great time.

we bills fans  are unstoppable unflappable and love to schmooze I understand this perfectly LOL

 

^5

 

m

[SCBills]

Worst game watching experience I have ever had. (and I was on my couch)

 

That wasn't football and I am disgusted that we will be building a new stadium without a roof.  

 

 

11 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

The elements have always been part of the game. No, it's not fun to watch a host of games like that, but those games are few and far between. If you had a problem with how the weather affected the game, i get it but you must be a causal. Because if you are a Patriot or Bills fan how were you bored? It had drama from beginning to end 

 

Look at our home games this year.  Almost every game has had discussion leading up of weather/wind and how that helps the opposing team.  Specifically the wind... no other team deals with this nonsense as often as we have lately.  

 

Sure, that game last night was fun from a novelty aspect for the casual, but not for fans who actually care about winning the game.  

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by SCBills

[Ghost_002!]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Worst game watching experience I have ever had.

 

That wasn't football and I am disgusted that we will be building a new stadium without a roof.  

 

 

football has been played in the mud, rain, heavy snow...everything expect a thunderstorm. How was that not football?

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

 

Look at our home games this year.  Almost every game has had discussion leading up of weather/wind and how that helps the opposing team.  Specifically the wind... no other team deals with this nonsense as often as we have lately.  

 

 

It's northeast weather though. Bills been existed for 50 years or so.....so this kind of stuff happens. (not all the time though) 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Big Blitz]

Yep.

 

The Browns game vs the Raiders last year - same stupid thing.  They lost at home to the Raiders in a wind bowl - AND THEY CAN RUN THE BALL.  

 

[The Frankish Reich]

29 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Just for fun: there is a interesting conspiracy that people/government etc can control weather

 

Every bills home game has been very poor weather, the bills are looking at building a new stadium without a roof, nfl owners are the top 1% and would theoretically have the ability to these weather machines. Could a NFL owner or 2 be really pushing for a roofed stadium? 

 

Are these things connected?????

 

Sorry I'm bored and sick of all the depressing posts 

I'm pretty sure that somewhere inside the dome of an inactive volcano deep in the Andes Ernst Stavro Blofeld is petting his kitten while his minions operate the diabolical BBWCM* every Sunday afternoon (and sometimes on Thursday, Sunday, or Monday nights).

 

*Buffalo Bills Weather Changing Machine

 

[US Egg]

Patriots made it clear they were going to run.

 

The Bills knew that, still couldn’t stop them.

 

The weather wasn’t the problem for that.

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, I am the egg man said:

Patriots made it clear they were going to run.

 

The Bills knew that, still couldn’t stop them.

 

The weather wasn’t the problem for that.

True. My thought experiment: how would the Pats offense have been any different if they'd just played 10 men and direct-snapped (wildcat style) to one of the RBs every play? Is there any reason to think they still wouldn't have run for 220 yards?

[Billsfan1972]

27 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

football has been played in the mud, rain, heavy snow...everything expect a thunderstorm. How was that not football?

 

 

It's northeast weather though. Bills been existed for 50 years or so.....so this kind of stuff happens. (not all the time though) 

Happens in Buffalo more so than anywhere else.  No maybe not the worst conditions ever, but bad enough that it does affect the game (and yep my enjoyment when going to OP to watch the game).

 

When will weather not be a part of every narrative associated with a Buffalo Bills football game or importance in OP.  At best "Mild conditions at kickoff and weather should not be a factor"😜

Edited December 7, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[muppy]

16 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I'm pretty sure that somewhere inside the dome of an inactive volcano deep in the Andes Ernst Stavro Blofeld is petting his kitten while his minions operate the diabolical BBWCM* every Sunday afternoon (and sometimes on Thursday, Sunday, or Monday nights).

 

*Buffalo Bills Weather Changing Machine

 

you're scaring me

 

lol j/k

 

m

 

silly!

[muppy]

6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Happens in Buffalo more so than anywhere else.  No maybe not the worst conditions ever, but bad enough that it does effect the game (and yep my enjoyment when going to OP to watch the game).

 

When will weather not be a part of every narrative associated with a Buffalo Bills football game or importance in OP.  At best "Mild conditions at kickoff and weather should not be a factor"😜

I need to chime in here from native WNYer who knows alll about the weather in NYS.  the weather is a story due to the fact it is usually THE story going into a bills home  game from a national interest perspective,  That and niagara falls, maybe the random Shea movie palace reference, Chicken wings U Know are referenced as the Buffalo narrative. 

 

Until #17 came on the scene National media was all about weather and afc-e matchups etc .....but Now with alll the hype and PUB for the Bills GOING UNTO THIS SEASON and THEN Bills Mafia/Bills Mafia Babes efforts at fundraising snce Andy Dalton y'all remember that

 

Anyway Im glad the narrative focus will be away from weather,,but actually, WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES in the future....

 

I dont care about the weather unless it could be like life threatening like last night...pregame conditions especiallly were brutal ....But in the end we just deal with it U know......

 

GO BILLS VIVA LOS BILLS

 

m 

[Ross Murdock]

36 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

LOL

What about the Cowboys and 49ers who have 10 Super Bowls between them?

Pats won Super Bowls with Tom Brady.  Who went to a warm weather team and won a Super Bowl in his first year with them lol.

I wonder why the Super Bowl is played in ideal conditions?  Hmmmm....

Green Bay doesn't have the wind, this has been explained to you but I guess you don't know what wind does.

 

If you really want to know about Arena Football, since I've know a few people who played there and the game is tougher because the field is smaller and condensed and much more pinballed.  

These guys played high level college ball and all told me Arena is rougher on the body...so quit with this internet tough guy crap.

Were just going to agree on this. That's fine. My biggest concern is that for the Bills to remain in Buffalo, an outdoor stadium is the only way the team stays. The most unique thing about the Bills isn't the weather. It's the size of the city region they play in. Buffalo would never get a franchise awarded today. Green Bay is a unique historical franchise, and most fans come up from Milwaukee anyway which has MLB and NBA already. And the team is owned by the City. The commoner has stated numerous times that "Buffalo needs a Buffalo type of stadium". which means a new but not extravagant stadium. Something just above $1B. Buffalo simply can't afford a Dome stadium and be a viable franchise. The Bills CAN'T sell a significant amount of Corporate luxury seats which is the lifeblood of the cost for an expensive stadium. That market just does not exist in this market. The math doesn't work in Buffalo. Therefore a much more expensive Dome stadium simply would not allow the Pegula's to leverage the extra costs by standard seating alone.  they would be in a distinct disadvantage Vs. EVERY other owner. Even Jerry Jones has stated - "He'd like to see the Bills stay, but they need a cost effective stadium". A Dome just won't work. If the Pegula's believe that the team needs a Dome, trust me, he would pack up and go to ANY number of city's that would build a stadium, that will easily sell and likely guarantee all of their corporate luxury seats would be sold. Pushing for a Dome stadium, in the Buffalo market will NEVER make economic sense. And if that is the decision, the team WILL move. I'd rather buy a coat, and continue to watch my beloved Bills outside. It's the ONLY viable answer. This is a FACT!               

[LABILLBACKER]

43 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Worst game watching experience I have ever had. (and I was on my couch)

 

That wasn't football and I am disgusted that we will be building a new stadium without a roof.  

 

 

 

Look at our home games this year.  Almost every game has had discussion leading up of weather/wind and how that helps the opposing team.  Specifically the wind... no other team deals with this nonsense as often as we have lately.  

 

Sure, that game last night was fun from a novelty aspect for the casual, but not for fans who actually care about winning the game.  

 

 

Couldn't agree more. It's windy every day in Buffalo.  But God forbid you take away that outdoor experience from the diehards. They would rather make snow angels than win a SB.  

[The Frankish Reich]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32809233/new-england-patriots-throw-just-three-passes-dominate-ground-win-buffalo-bills

 

The three passing attempts are the fewest in Patriots history, while the two completions match their fewest, according to ESPN Stats & Information research. The three pass attempts were the fewest by any team since the Bills attempted just two in Week 3 of the 1974 season (vs. the New York Jets).

"We played kind of the way we felt like we needed to play to win. In the end, we scored enough points," New England coach Bill Belichick said.

 

That made me wonder. What was going on in Week 3 in Buffalo in 1974?

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197409290buf.htm

 

The box score says winds were 19 mph, but that obviously downplays it. It was apparently raining with wind gusts in the 30-40 mph range. Here's how the NYT put it:

 

ORCHARD PARK, MY., Sept. 29—The Jets and the Buffalo Bills played some strange kind of a game today. Because of the elements, it was not football. The Bills won, 16‐12, in wind and rain. The wind was the worst, 20 miles an hour down one end of Rich Stadium with gusts up to 40 miles.

 

Lou Saban WAS Bill Belichick in that game. Joe Ferguson threw 2 passes. OJ ran it 30 times, Braxton 17. We gained 220 yards on the ground (now where else have I seen that number?). The Jets tried to play a more normal game, so Joe Namath threw 18 times. He completed 2 to his own receivers, and 3 to Bills interceptors.

 

We won 16-12.

Someone Bills intern should have pulled out the old tape of that game before last night's debacle. I suspect some Pats intern did.

Edited December 7, 2021 by The Frankish Reich

[Ross Murdock]

18 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Couldn't agree more. It's windy every day in Buffalo.  But God forbid you take away that outdoor experience from the diehards. They would rather make snow angels than win a SB.  

LOL - Wide right comes to mind! See comments above. Either the Bills stay with a cost effective outdoor stadium, or the team is gone. Buffalo will not economically support a much more expensive Dome stadium, the state won't pay for it, and the Pegula's and the commoner understands that a city and region that simply cannot fill enough corporate luxury suits to make a $1.8B+ stadium viable, won't work. Luxury suites are now the lifeblood of building an expensive stadium (See SoFi). The Bills barely got by with the Ralph. It's easy to understand economics. Just selling season tickets won't cut it anymore. Buffalo is extremely lucky they still have a team. The commoner has stated numerous times that - "Buffalo needs a Buffalo type stadium to stay". Which is a new but low cost stadium. If the Pegula's believe they need a dome to survive in Buffalo, they are gone Period. Not sure why no one gets the economic unviability of a dame stadium in Buffalo.      

[Ghost_002!]

I understand and that was what football was built on the as well. the elements. Makes you have to find other ways of winning. I get it's not enjoyable for some of you the fans...but i do not think it's going to change anytime soon. 

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

LOL - Wide right comes to mind! See comments above. Either the Bills stay with a cost effective outdoor stadium, or the team is gone. Buffalo will not economically support a much more expensive Dome stadium, the state won't pay for it, and the Pegula's and the commoner understands that a city and region that simply cannot fill enough corporate luxury suits to make a $1.8B+ stadium viable, won't work. Luxury suites are now the lifeblood of building an expensive stadium (See SoFi). The Bills barely got by with the Ralph. It's easy to understand economics. Just selling season tickets won't cut it anymore. Buffalo is extremely lucky they still have a team. The commoner has stated numerous times that - "Buffalo needs a Buffalo type stadium to stay". Which is a new but low cost stadium. If the Pegula's believe they need a dome to survive in Buffalo, they are gone Period. Not sure why no one gets the economic unviability of a dame stadium in Buffalo.      

 

NFL makes so much money that i'm not inclined to believe this, but if that's the case - so be it.  At the very least, bring in engineers to design a stadium that cuts down on wind... that can be done.  

[Billsfan1972]

And frankly I don't care about anything that happened in the game yesterday that's worth long debates or hand wringing.

 

The game was decided in the end by weather.  

 

Very sad.

[Nextmanup]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Give me 50 more years like that, woo-hoo!

Pretty sure they are not going to build a dome, for various political and economic reasons.

 

Has nothing to do with "bad football on Monday night" though.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Pretty sure they are not going to build a dome, for various political and economic reasons.

 

Has nothing to do with "bad football on Monday night" though.

 

 

 

That's why we can't stop hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer. "We can't stop now. It's how we've always done it."

[cd1]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

football has been played in the mud, rain, heavy snow...everything expect a thunderstorm. How was that not football?

 

 

It's northeast weather though. Bills been existed for 50 years or so.....so this kind of stuff happens. (not all the time though) 

 

I wonder how much "heavy snow" Josh Allen played in before he became a Bill? I wonder how many Buffalo Bills players or coaches, for that matter come from warm weather states?  It is total BS to think that a kid from Firebaugh, California has some sort of magical advantage playing " in the mud, rain, heavy snow...everything expect(?) a thunderstorm".  You forgot to mention the WIND; the very element we could not overcome last night.

 

Another thing, teams that come to play in the wacky western NY weather have ONE game possibly effected by the elements. The Buffalo Bills have HALF of their entire season possibly influenced by the elements. It makes it much more difficult to remain competitive.

 

IMHO...