Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[All_Pro_Bills]

22 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Why is it that anyone who calls Tucker Carlson a shill, a hack, and a fellow traveler is part of this..."Radical Left"?  Have you ever had a conversation with me about politics? No? Ok then.

 

All I do is read the words that come out of his mouth over and over and over again. 

 

I don't know about the radical left here, but my contention is the U.S. government is no more or less reliable than the Russian government when it comes to telling the truth and both are elaborate and sophisticated sources of propaganda developed and perfected during the Cold War era.  Since almost everything they report on and say is unverifiable, unless you've got firsthand observations or information from being on the ground over there, how can anyone know for sure if they're telling the truth or just making it up?  It's a matter of trusting the source.  And I trust neither.  Nor do I trust the mouthpiece networks that just parrot the story and ask no critical or probing questions.  I base my assessment on a record of mis-information and bullsheet.  For example, I'm still waiting for those WMD's to show up. 

 

That doesn't make me an enemy sympathizer. It makes me a concerned and engaged citizen that demands truth and accountability from the government.  Neither of which they care to provide.

Edited March 12, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[BillStime]

28 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I don't know about the radical left here, but my contention is the U.S. government is no more or less reliable than the Russian government when it comes to telling the truth and both are elaborate and sophisticated sources of propaganda developed and perfected during the Cold War era.  Since almost everything they report on and say is unverifiable, unless you've got firsthand observations or information from being on the ground over there, how can anyone know for sure if they're telling the truth or just making it up?  It's a matter of trusting the source.  And I trust neither.  Nor do I trust the mouthpiece networks that just parrot the story and ask no critical or probing questions.  I base my assessment on a record of mis-information and bullsheet.  For example, I'm still waiting for those WMD's to show up. 

 

That doesn't make me an enemy sympathizer. It makes me a concerned and engaged citizen that demands truth and accountability from the government.  Neither of which they care to provide.

 

 

[Tiberius]

54 minutes ago, sherpa said:

I think it's kind of funny to watch you attempt to familiarize yourself with this kind of stuff.

Your knowledge base is remarkably limited.

This was aimed at me? The r someone else? 

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

Lol 

On 3/11/2022 at 2:19 PM, sherpa said:

 

I'm quite sure the guy in that picture would not want a guy like you judging.

Folks can get executed for that.

War criminals should be executed. You don’t think Putin is a war criminal? 

[Tiberius]

35 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I don't know about the radical left here, but my contention is the U.S. government is no more or less reliable than the Russian government when it comes to telling the truth and both are elaborate and sophisticated sources of propaganda developed and perfected during the Cold War era.  Since almost everything they report on and say is unverifiable, unless you've got firsthand observations or information from being on the ground over there, how can anyone know for sure if they're telling the truth or just making it up?  It's a matter of trusting the source.  And I trust neither.  Nor do I trust the mouthpiece networks that just parrot the story and ask no critical or probing questions.  I base my assessment on a record of mis-information and bullsheet.  For example, I'm still waiting for those WMD's to show up. 

 

That doesn't make me an enemy sympathizer. It makes me a concerned and engaged citizen that demands truth and accountability from the government.  Neither of which they care to provide.

Our government is bad with the truth as Putin’s? 

 

 

Maybe when Trump was president and talking. Trump was a complete lying pos, but he got thrown out of office. 

 

 

[sherpa]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

This was aimed at me? The r someone else? 

 

You.

Th guy that claimed that deploying two fighter squadrons to the Ukraine was a good idea.

The guy that claimed that this could be done with drones.

The guy that we were jamming the Russian Air Force resulting in them being "blind."

Now the guy that suggests that this British system is the only one that tracks after being shot.

 

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

 You don’t think Putin is a war criminal? 

 

Covered ground.

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

You.

Th guy that claimed that deploying two fighter squadrons to the Ukraine was a good idea.

The guy that claimed that this could be done with drones.

The guy that we were jamming the Russian Air Force resulting in them being "blind."

Now the guy that suggests that this British system is the only one that tracks after being shot.

 

We should of deployed fighters forward. Deterrence works. 

 

Drones are a good good idea and we should be getting them into the fight, more than they already are. 

 

You have proof we are not conducting electronic counter measures? The Russians were screaming about us doing it. 

 

I didn’t claim that, the article did, are you saying it’s wrong? 

[Boatdrinks]

4 hours ago, Westside said:

Why is it that anyone who disagrees with the radical left is a putin supporter or a nazi or a racist?

Why must you demonize anyone who disagrees with you? 
I’m a democrat, have been all my life. But my political beliefs does not line up with the current radical left’s opinions, so I must be called out and accused of ridiculous accusations.

 

This goes to all the far far left supporters on PPP, why don’t you form your own party and leave the Democratic Party alone? 

The Democrat party and the radical far far left are really one and the same.  The only difference is one group is up front and in your face about what they want and what they are doing. The other group is more cautious about admitting it , mostly because of folks who likely fit into your category. They’re actually FOR the same things , and thereby complicit. They use a few different buzzwords , lie, deflect and deny in hopes that you won’t notice. Your fathers Democrat party is long gone, and would actually be considered White supremacists today. 

[Tiberius]

13 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

You.

Th guy that claimed that deploying two fighter squadrons to the Ukraine was a good idea.

The guy that claimed that this could be done with drones.

The guy that we were jamming the Russian Air Force resulting in them being "blind."

Now the guy that suggests that this British system is the only one that tracks after being shot.

 

 

Covered ground.

So is he a war criminal? 

[sherpa]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So is he a war criminal? 

 

As I said, and will again, this is covered ground.

Page 128 of this thread has my response, so kindly stop asking the same stuff.

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

As I said, and will again, this is covered ground.

Page 128 of this thread has my response, so kindly stop asking the same stuff.

Just yes or no? I think Putin is obviously a war criminal. You seriously think invading a democratic republic to destroy its democracy isn’t a war crime? Shelling cities filled with hundreds of thousands and millions of civilians isn’t a war crime? 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Our government is bad with the truth as Putin’s? 

 

 

Maybe when Trump was president and talking. Trump was a complete lying pos, but he got thrown out of office.

 

So is and will be Joey. 

[Westside]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

This was aimed at me? The r someone else? 

Lol 

War criminals should be executed. You don’t think Putin is a war criminal? 

Do you still beat your wife?

[BillStime]

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

So is and will be Joey. 

Oh 

[Tiberius]

59 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Not good 

[Big Blitz]

 

[John Adams]

6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Let me get this straight….the ENTIRE media, Biden Administration, the EU, and pretty much everyone else on the planet has come out as solidly anti-Putin and the classic posters on here have set their hair on fire because ONE talk show pundit is asking some different questions? Geez people, you’d have all flunked out of every decent university in America! 

I am sure you’re as defensive about Rachel Maddow. 
 

Try being American and not partisan. Tokyo Rose Tucker is a corporate figurehead for Hate Inc. Keep buying the product if you want. 

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

And perhaps also not true. 

[BillStime]

 

 

 

[Westside]

15 minutes ago, John Adams said:

I am sure you’re as defensive about Rachel Maddow. 
 

Try being American and not partisan. Tokyo Rose Tucker is a corporate figurehead for Hate Inc. Keep buying the product if you want. 

And perhaps also not true. 

Oh the irony 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Westside said:

Oh the irony 

 

 

[BillStime]

Updated Fox News and cult talking points about to drop in 3-2-1

 

 

[BillStime]

 

 

[aristocrat]

10 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

no matter how much you deflect Ukraine is being destroyed because Russia doesn’t respect America under Biden 

Edited March 13, 2022 by aristocrat

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

no matter how much you deflect Ukraine is being destroyed because Russia doesn’t respect America under Biden 

So Russia helped create the biggest refugee crisis of that war in 2018-2019 in Syria because they knew they had a stooge in the WH? 

[Tiberius]

That attack last night near Poland border. There was a report that many of the missiles were shot down. Interesting —-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/13/russia-widens-attacks-on-ukraine-with-missile-strike-on-base-close-to-polish-border

There has been speculation too that the area has been used both to receive incoming weapons shipments for Ukraine’s military as well as training the large numbers of foreign volunteers flocking to the country.

Simon Shuster of Time magazine, who was in the area the day before, said on Twitter: “When Russia bombed the base near Lviv last night, it had to assume Americans were likely to be killed or injured. A coordinator of foreign volunteers in Ukraine told me the base was a hub for 1000s of them, coming from all over to help Ukraine. I met some from US, UK, Australia.”

[aristocrat]

49 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So Russia helped create the biggest refugee crisis of that war in 2018-2019 in Syria because they knew they had a stooge in the WH? 

Nope that was Obama 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Nope that was Obama 

So you can’t handle the truth? 

[BillStime]

7 hours ago, aristocrat said:

no matter how much you deflect Ukraine is being destroyed because Russia doesn’t respect America under Biden 

Literally

 

[sherpa]

22 hours ago, Tiberius said:

We should of deployed fighters forward. Deterrence works. 

 

 

Just insanity.

Glad nobody in that decision making chain had the same view.

 

Let's take two squadrons of our most advances airplanes and place them as bait on an airfield that could easily be taken out.

[BillStime]

 

 

Human scum

[Big Blitz]

When Mitt Romney is accusing ... anyone of treason.....you know your entire U.S. government is compromised.  

 

Your *leaders* are not in control. 

 

 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

When Mitt Romney is accusing ... anyone of treason.....you know your entire U.S. government is compromised.  

 

Your *leaders* are not in control. 

 

 

 

Move to Russia already precious - Putin can use your support.

 

 

ETTD

[Big Blitz]

25 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Move to Russia already precious - Putin can use your support.

 

 

K bro.  Nice deflection.  Again.  

 

You keep your attention on the staged war in Ukraine everyone knew was coming.  

 

Because they know your dollars are going to look like German marks circa 1923 real soon.  

 

[Motorin']

33 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Because they know your dollars are going to look like German marks circa 1923 real soon.  

 

 

Do you really believe that, or do you hate liberals that much that you hope it happens? 

 

 

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Do you really believe that, or do you hate liberals that much that you hope it happens? 

 

 

No - he hates America more. 

Because if there is a wrong side to any issue - you will always find cult leader Big Ditz 

[Big Blitz]

36 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Do you really believe that, or do you hate liberals that much that you hope it happens? 

 

 

 

 

Yes.  And no I don't want that to happen.  I want economic stability which is why I'VE BEEN SCREAMING SINCE MARCH OF 2020 that something is wrong here and it ain't the virus.

 

People need to wake the f up.  Your economy is headed for such a disaster they're telling you to handle it by buying an EV.  

 

There have been a million signs since March 2020 that this country has been under attack - I think it's actually been since January 2017 but something (I can't imagine what) sped up the process.   

 

But hey - Ukraine!  Freaking Ukraine.  God bless those poor people getting caught up in this disaster.  Suddenly that 3rd world mess merits all our fake concern and attention.  Right at the end of Covid.  Yep sure.  

 

I've been convinced our government is compromised.  Ridiculous?  OK.  But I have more evidence that it is then you do that it isn't.    

Edited March 14, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Buffarukus]

44 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Do you really believe that, or do you hate liberals that much that you hope it happens? 

 

 

 

well its heading in that direction. are you under the impression the american dollar is not in serious danger of collapsing? seeing as the dollar is not backed by gold..its backed by oil. the ineptitude on covid and systematically putting out propaganda for years has destroyed the economy in ways we still have no real grasp of yet. you don't get EVERYTHING wrong and think you can just rebound. how can you even NOT think it was done on purpose at this point? fauci wakes up and does nothing but eat breath and dream about this virus and yet came to the wrong conclusion every step of the way. that's not being hyperbolic. time is revealing alot, are you paying attention? then you have countries that are VERY close to war who also happen to HEAVILY rely on the united states military for protection.

 

ill keep left right bs out of this so please just tell me what about this moment in time gives you any confidence that it WONT happen. i could use some solid reasoning for optimism.

Edited March 14, 2022 by Buffarukus

[Big Blitz]

Something is just wrong when Mitt Romney is calling a veteran and former member of congress essentially a traitor.  

 

 

 

[Buffarukus]

16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yes.  And no I don't want that to happen.  I want economic stability which is why I'VE BEEN SCREAMING SINCE MARCH OF 2020 that something is wrong here and it ain't the virus.

 

People need to wake the f up.  Your economy is headed for such a disaster they're telling you to handle it by buying an EV.  

 

There have been a million signs since March 2020 that this country has been under attack - I think it's actually been since January 2017 but something (I can't imagine what) sped up the process.   

 

But hey - Ukraine!  Freaking Ukraine.  God bless those poor people getting caught up in this disaster.  Suddenly that 3rd world mess merits all our fake concern and attention.  Right at the end of Covid.  Yep sure.  

 

I've been convinced our government is compromised.  Ridiculous?  OK.  But I have more evidence that it is then you do that it isn't.    

 

young people cannot buy a house. they will never pay back their student debt which is scheduled to start again very soon. they are being told that they must buy the most expensive vehicles if they wish to continue to have free transit. prices so you can't go out. small buisness can't survive.  anyone that was working scraping together week to week BEFORE all this is completely bankrupt now and your asked if you believe this? 

 

yes....... i believe what's right in front of me.

[Tiberius]

15 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

Just insanity.

Glad nobody in that decision making chain had the same view.

 

Let's take two squadrons of our most advances airplanes and place them as bait on an airfield that could easily be taken out.

You criticized UNICEF earlier. I am am getting ready to send in a donation to help out. Was your criticism legit or were you just emotionally acting out? 

 

If they are bad, I'll donate somewhere else 

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

Human scum

Wow