HamSandwhich Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Same with Iranian people Well of course, anyone who is affected by events they cannot control, especially where it concerns fascistic governments, is sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, LeviF said: He appears to be making that decision as we speak. Perhaps. But at the cost of his economy and world standing. And trust me those are severe prices to pay assuming the west keeps the headlock on. And long term, the west may finally get off its teat, especially Germany. Ruble had its biggest one day drop ever. Market never opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, John Adams said: Perhaps. But at the cost of his economy and world standing. And trust me those are severe prices to pay assuming the west keeps the headlock on. And long term, the west may finally get off its teat, especially Germany. The US establishment did manage to get themselves, then Europe, in line in pretty short order. The rumors of America's death appear to be greatly exaggerated. I guess the question left is, does China have the ability to step in and meet a significant portion of the demand for Russian resources currently allocated to Europe? I have no knowledge in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Sounds like MOEX won't open tomorrow either. Putin probably has a lot of friends jockeying for position on those first sell orders. 1 minute ago, LeviF said: The US establishment did manage to get themselves, then Europe, in line in pretty short order. The rumors of America's death appear to be greatly exaggerated. I guess the question left is, does China have the ability to step in and meet a significant portion of the demand for Russian resources currently allocated to Europe? I have no knowledge in this area. China could buy more petroleum but that can't happen overnight. And China would die if they tried to sit on an economic island with Russia. China knows that it's a beneficiary of world order. Russia and China have common adversaries but they are a long ways from friends. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 hours ago, John Adams said: Tanking Russia's economy (while supporting Ukraine--I see another $6.4B is on the table today) is not some small feat. And yeah, short of starting a direct war with Russia, that might be all we can do. The reality of the world is when a nuclear power takes some lesser country, the options are limited. Wait for Taiwan. Just spitballin'. What could have been done was make Ukraine a "provisional" member of NATO. Ukraine's GDP is $155Billion, so 2% of that is $311Million. The U.S could have paid Ukraine's dues for 2 years with the money we already threw at this problem. Russia wouldn't have invaded with Rule 5 on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, snafu said: Just spitballin'. What could have been done was make Ukraine a "provisional" member of NATO. Ukraine's GDP is $155Billion, so 2% of that is $311Million. The U.S could have paid Ukraine's dues for 2 years with the money we already threw at this problem. Russia wouldn't have invaded with Rule 5 on the table. Most of the crew here says the US should have done the opposite. Denied membership forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, snafu said: Just spitballin'. What could have been done was make Ukraine a "provisional" member of NATO. Ukraine's GDP is $155Billion, so 2% of that is $311Million. The U.S could have paid Ukraine's dues for 2 years with the money we already threw at this problem. Russia wouldn't have invaded with Rule 5 on the table. What we know for sure is that Joe shouldn’t have proposed this in a phone call. It would’ve been grounds for impeachment! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I expected this sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Belarus Prepares To Join Russia's Unprovoked Assault on Ukraine https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/02/28/belarus-prepares-to-join-russias-unprovoked-assault-on-ukraine-n529376 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 53 minutes ago, John Adams said: Most of the crew here says the US should have done the opposite. Denied membership forever. I don't care what they say. I'm not a teenage girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, snafu said: I don't care what they say. I'm not a teenage girl. That's cute. Your opinion though comes with consequences no? You think Ukraine should have provoked Russia even more? Very few people have suggested that was the prudent road. Because ya know, WW3 and all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 It's like 2 years of Covid, 6 years of Trump - Russia taught people....to just be sheep What in the world are they tweeting this stuff for? Oh I know. They're trying to turn Russian public opinion on Putin. My bad. History tells me thug dictators respond well to this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: It's like 2 years of Covid, 6 years of Trump - Russia taught people....to just be sheep What in the world are they tweeting this stuff for? Oh I know. They're trying to turn Russian public opinion on Putin. My bad. History tells me thug dictators respond well to this sort of thing. Vindman? And this was great: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdS7GH2c/ I don’t think their heart is in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) https://www.npr.org/2022/02/28/1083528087/ukraine-european-union Quote Ukraine wants to join the EU. Here's how that would work February 28, 20222:17 PM ET RACHEL TREISMAN Twitter Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has officially signed an application for Ukraine's membership in the European Union, according to a post from his verified Facebook page. "[Zelenskyy] has just signed a historical document — Ukraine's application for European Union membership," tweeted Andrii Sybiha, the deputy head of the president's office. Ukraine's prime minister and head of parliament also signed a joint statement, he added. Edited February 28, 2022 by muppy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 43 minutes ago, John Adams said: That's cute. Your opinion though comes with consequences no? You think Ukraine should have provoked Russia even more? Very few people have suggested that was the prudent road. Because ya know, WW3 and all. For a month, Biden said there was going to be an invasion. Turns out, he was right, even though Putin couldn't even come up with a good reason to invade. He's protecting Ukraine from Russians? He's protecting Russians from Ukraine? He hates NATO, even though NATO never threatened Russian borders once in their history? But Putin went into Ukraine and actually made a case for why NATO exists in the first place. Not smart. Maybe before that, NATO could have gotten their **** together and come up with an actual deterrent. The only real deterrent from Russia going into an unprepared Ukraine was to threaten Article 5 defense. Only, that isn't a credible threat because Article 5 doesn't apply to Ukraine. Hell, it may not be a deterrent at all, because it sure doesn't look like anyone wants to take on the Russians -- except poor Ukraine. All I know is that threatening sanctions after the fact was lame, and it isn't going to get Russia to do an about-face. Even Biden said "let's see what happens in 30 days". 30 days!?!? He should have added: "after Ukraine has been crushed". So instead, after-the-fact, NATO and the EU countries make Ukraine their proxy, doing everything except committing forces. It is a loser play against Putin and yet it isn't too far removed from fighting directly. Talk about throwing money down a toilet. At this point, if Putin wanted to make this into WWIII, then all he has to do is claim that providing arms to Ukraine, and sanctioning Russia on behalf of Ukraine, and stopping Russian air flights and shipping are all acts of aggression against Russia. What's going to happen when Putin ratchets this conflict up to that next level? People will say that NATO lost its chance to stop Putin with strength, and an entire country was destroyed -- because maybe that's pretty much the only thing he responds to. Maybe the play now is to say that NATO will admit Ukraine in 5 days unless the Russians leave the country. I've said it from the beginning that Putin is making a mistake. But that doesn't mean the mistake had to have been made in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 56 minutes ago, snafu said: For a month, Biden said there was going to be an invasion. Turns out, he was right, even though Putin couldn't even come up with a good reason to invade. At this point, if Putin wanted to make this into WWIII, then all he has to do is claim that providing arms to Ukraine, and sanctioning Russia on behalf of Ukraine, and stopping Russian air flights and shipping are all acts of aggression against Russia. What's going to happen when Putin ratchets this conflict up to that next level? Biden didn't come to this conclusion, it was provided to him by US Intel sources. He doesn't have that skill. Based on the Russian military performance in this hideous operation, him taking this to WWIII would be as stupid as the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. His only strength against NATO, even as weak as it is militarily now, is the nuc threat. NATO is going to get stronger, and after a week of this Russian adventure, he has managed to alienate is country, largely eliminate them from intl trade, caused Germany to shred its pacifist posture, cause Finland and Sweden to lean towards NATO and now even sway Switzerland, who never opposed Hitler. The only thing he has left is a nuclear threat, and hopefully, the Russians will realize that is an idiotic, course. Whatever the Russian word is for Valkryie, they need to think about it. The Russian military performance has been amateur and pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 👆🤡 The KGB keyboard warriors are out in force today. Its really a shame Biden and Trudeau attacked Ukraine with Vlad’s military. Meanwhile I am listening to Gutfeld on Fox tell his pathetic viewers the US has no skin in this game? Stupid people shouldn’t breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 No way should we allow Kyiv to be obliterated! We can stop that. That convoy should be destroyed. We have the power. These weapons that are being used on civilians like cluster bombs and hyperbolic weapons are war crimes. Do something Joe Biden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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