Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think a lot of us are concerned we can’t convince you not to use a hair dryer in the bathtub, but what does that have to do with Biden and Putin today? NATO leadership knows exactly what they were getting when Biden was elected. He’s been in office for 25% of his term, and was VP for 8 years. Surely he had a plan to rebuild alliances, and established inroads over the past several years as he campaigned. Trump was/is a Putin stooge. Open your eyes 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: They have a mutual objective of eliminating US global hegemony. Russia in Europe and the Middle East and China in Asia while quietly establishing what can only be described as colonies in Africa. They have made great progress while Americans walk around staring at their smart phones all day. All while our government and media are focused on witch hunts for "domestic extremists" and push things like gender fantasies in life and entertainment such as the virtues of boys adopting feminine traits and pushing the narrative of feminist strength and wisdom. Hollywood relegating the white (sometimes black too) male character to the role of a stupid and ineffective bit player in the story. Wimpifying our younger male population. Hardly the seed stock for an effective fighting force necessary to engage tough and hardening Russian and Chinese soldiers that I guarantee are trained to show no mercy. Is it a surprise as the academic world and entertainment industry and media in many respects are controlled by Chinese money. Maybe this Russian invasion will wake the country up to real threats? If not, then what will? Who has the doll?....someone get this guy the doll so he can show us where he was touched as a youngster.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 Sorry Putin, they are not throwing down their arms. The free world is not afraid of you Ukrainians have pushed back Russians on bridge to Kherson From CNN's Nick Paton Walsh in Kherson A CNN team visited a bridge that crosses from Russian-held areas into Kherson, southern Ukraine. There had been fighting around it, with our team witnessing four large shell craters, 10 discarded Ukrainian armored vehicles and several dead, but the Ukrainians seems to have been able to push them back. On Friday morning the team also witnessed low-flying jets. Russian forces are said to be just on the other side of the bridge in hidden positions. Meanwhile, civilians are still driving back and forth over the bridge. CNN's team is also hearing air raid sirens in Kherson Friday morning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Anyone else think while watching this guy that he should be the president instead of someone with the communication skills of Biden. This guy explained things 100x better than Biden could dream of, and he didn’t even have a teleprompter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Trumps the one who was praising a guy who murdered journalists, opposition leaders, protesters, invaded other countries, interfered in our elections and is a general POS scum bag Satan But ya, I should keep an open mind 🙄 So I’ll try to have this discussion one more time…if you’re open to having it. You HONESTLY don’t understand what Trump’s basic approach was? Honestly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 Ukrainian forces took to the streets of Kyiv today with national guard troops pictured lining up defensive positions along a highway shortly before the sounds of gunfire and explosions rang out as they battled Russian forces for control of the capital. Putin's men are now thought to be inside the city, though their exact location and number is unclear. Fighting was reported in Obolon, on the city's outskirts, in the early hours as the ministry of defence told residents to make Molotov cocktails to 'repel the occupiers'. Rifles were also handed out to civilians as President Zelensky urged any European willing to defend the country to travel to Ukraine and join in the defence. Ukrainian authorities used armoured vehicles and snowploughs to defend Kyiv and limit movement, and said Russian spies were seeking to infiltrate the city. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10550583/Ukraine-war-Battle-Kyiv-begins-war-enters-hardest-day.html Has Putin ever heard of Stalingrad? 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So I’ll try to have this discussion one more time…if you’re open to having it. You HONESTLY don’t understand what Trump’s basic approach was? Honestly? Do you think he will go on praising Putin? Trump’s approach to lying? His approach to undermine our democracy. Gees, why would that please Putin? Hmmmm... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Think Trump will still be running around praising Putin? He believed that pig over our intelligence service? Disgusting Our intelligence service...that was spying on him? Yeah, I wonder why he wouldn't believe them. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 53 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s interesting how people can look at the same circumstances and come away with two entirely different narratives. The fact that you say you’ll “never” be convinced says quite a bit by itself. You can certainly disagree with Trump’s tactics, and I’ve personally never spoken with him, but you really don’t get what his approach was? Really? When you’re getting paid to spew propaganda to weaken the United States like tibs and billstime are, you would understand there staunch positions toward anything anti American. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Doc said: Our intelligence service...that was spying on him? Yeah, I wonder why he wouldn't believe them. Right, he said that. He is a pathological liar, just like Putin is. 5 minutes ago, Westside said: When you’re getting paid to spew propaganda to weaken the United States like tibs and billstime are, you would understand there staunch positions toward anything anti American. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Report: Russia Fails to Reach Objectives for First Day Amid Brave Ukrainian Defense Red State, by Nick Arama https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/02/24/report-russia-fails-to-reach-objectives-for-first-day-amid-brave-ukrainian-defense-n527692 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Right, he said that. He is a pathological liar, just like Putin is. No, it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: No, it happened. And he won the election, too, right? He literally went on Fox and excused Putin for this barbarous act because...wait for it...because the election was stolen from him. Ya, he’s believable 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 39 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Trump was/is a Putin stooge. Open your eyes Biden is/was President. Open your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 34 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ukrainian forces took to the streets of Kyiv today with national guard troops pictured lining up defensive positions along a highway shortly before the sounds of gunfire and explosions rang out as they battled Russian forces for control of the capital. Putin's men are now thought to be inside the city, though their exact location and number is unclear. Fighting was reported in Obolon, on the city's outskirts, in the early hours as the ministry of defence told residents to make Molotov cocktails to 'repel the occupiers'. Rifles were also handed out to civilians as President Zelensky urged any European willing to defend the country to travel to Ukraine and join in the defence. Ukrainian authorities used armoured vehicles and snowploughs to defend Kyiv and limit movement, and said Russian spies were seeking to infiltrate the city. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10550583/Ukraine-war-Battle-Kyiv-begins-war-enters-hardest-day.html Has Putin ever heard of Stalingrad? Do you think he will go on praising Putin? Trump’s approach to lying? His approach to undermine our democracy. Gees, why would that please Putin? Hmmmm... WE ARE WINNING!!!!! Baghdad tibs 😆😆😆 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 We can celebrate Ukrainian ground force victories, But with a negligible air force, the outcome of a Russian victory is sadly assured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Tiberius said: And he won the election, too, right? He literally went on Fox and excused Putin for this barbarous act because...wait for it...because the election was stolen from him. Ya, he’s believable 🙄 He lost, thanks to Joey's and the Dems' lies. Or did he lose? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 80 million votes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, B-Man said: We can celebrate Ukrainian ground force victories, But with a negligible air force, the outcome of a Russian victory is sadly assured No, no it isn’t. Russia will have to hold what they take, if they can take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 12/5/2021 at 9:57 AM, Tiberius said: LOL, you want the weakest to lead? Sounds like a pro-commie Putin argument It is our battle, democratic nation's have a shared interest in preserving freedom. Those against democracy understand you can kill popular government one country at a time. With United States leadership. On China, too https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/17/us-and-canadian-warships-sailed-through-taiwan-strait-last-week-.html I sincerely hope Biden proves us wrong and becomes a leader. He can start by making us energy independent. Ramp up the production, make sure our gas prices here go down, and then sell excess to European countries to ease their pain and make them more willing to fight against Russia. This groveling to other countries for energy is pathetic and can be easily solved. He won't green new deal doesn't allow that, now we're being taken advantage of as many opponents to the green energy push have predicted. Biden is trying to end around the concern by getting in front of it and stating there will be pain, it won't matter when American's are feeling the pinch at the gas pumps and the cost of goods go up. Take the necessary steps as outlined above and that will SEVERELY weaken Russia's power and potentially increase his chances of reelection, not to mention help his cronies in the house and senate. I do not want him to be reelected and or his cronies but I put America and it's needs ahead of political needs and have never been one that said I hope the President fails, I always hope he succeeds. Do it Biden, unleash the energy potential of America, cut the red tape and watch Putin and China kick and scream. 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, no it isn’t. Russia will have to hold what they take, if they can take it. Russia can enforce their will, there's no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sorry Putin, they are not throwing down their arms. The free world is not afraid of you Ukrainians have pushed back Russians on bridge to Kherson From CNN's Nick Paton Walsh in Kherson A CNN team visited a bridge that crosses from Russian-held areas into Kherson, southern Ukraine. There had been fighting around it, with our team witnessing four large shell craters, 10 discarded Ukrainian armored vehicles and several dead, but the Ukrainians seems to have been able to push them back. On Friday morning the team also witnessed low-flying jets. Russian forces are said to be just on the other side of the bridge in hidden positions. Meanwhile, civilians are still driving back and forth over the bridge. CNN's team is also hearing air raid sirens in Kherson Friday morning. Maybe events will prove me wrong or maybe they'll prove me right. But my read of the Russian objective is not some fight to the last man scenario. It's to roll back the clock to pre-2014. Before the Maiden revolt. And it looks like both Putin and Zelensky are receptive to talks to discuss the invasion and among other things "neutral status" for Ukraine. What's Putin's pitch going to be? I expect something like this (Using mafia boss protection racket lingo): "Look, we (Russia) don't have anything against the government or people of Ukraine. Our quarrel is with the Americans over various issues that don't concern your country. But they came to Kiev, whispered promises in your ear, and sent all kinds of weapons and urged your countrymen to take an adversarial approach to Russia. All while their President and his administration made belligerent statements and threats towards us. Interfering in the affairs between our two countries. Sticking their noses in our business between each other. But when the fighting started what did they do? They split. They abandoned you. And they're response has been to impose sanctions that honestly we could care less about at the moment. I'm not looking to replace your government or replace you as President. Our countries have co-existing for a long time and have a long history together. All I'm asking is you be agreeable to taking a neutral stance and not to take one side or the other in our disagreements with the Americans. If we can agree to that then we can end this conflict as quickly as possible". If I'm right then the Washington establishment, the deep state, or whoever is calling the shoots screwed the pooch once more by severely miscalculating and playing the game two or three steps behind the curve. Putin got what he wanted, neutralizing the NATO threat or the threat of American forces parked next door for the cost of some useless sanctions. Either we need some more effective thinking and strategies out of Washington or some fresh eyes and minds on the problem. I'm sure their are competent and capable people in the intelligence services and Pentagon that understand exactly what is going on here but they are most certainly being ignored. Ignored by the idiots in charge. Now the usual characters may read this and suggest I'm "blaming America" or siding with Putin. Frankly I wish those that interpret my assessment this way weren't so clueless about the main themes in play here. Our strategies and tactics for dealing with Russia are totally dysfunctional and we better fix it quick. If anybody wants to believe all is well and good and just invoking this good vs. evil ideology and cheering on over-matched Ukrainian forces from 8,000 miles away is going to bring out the tooth fairy to sprinkle magic dust on the American position and make it all work then fine. They way it stands now its like Dick Jauron vs. Bill Belichick. Remember how that went most of the time? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: I sincerely hope Biden proves us wrong and becomes a leader. He can start by making us energy independent. Ramp up the production, make sure our gas prices here go down, and then sell excess to European countries to ease their pain and make them more willing to fight against Russia. This groveling to other countries for energy is pathetic and can be easily solved. He won't green new deal doesn't allow that, now we're being taken advantage of as many opponents to the green energy push have predicted. Biden is trying to end around the concern by getting in front of it and stating there will be pain, it won't matter when American's are feeling the pinch at the gas pumps and the cost of goods go up. Take the necessary steps as outlined above and that will SEVERELY weaken Russia's power and potentially increase his chances of reelection, not to mention help his cronies in the house and senate. I do not want him to be reelected and or his cronies but I put America and it's needs ahead of political needs and have never been one that said I hope the President fails, I always hope he succeeds. Do it Biden, unleash the energy potential of America, cut the red tape and watch Putin and China kick and scream. Russia can enforce their will, there's no doubt. Russia’s already having more trouble than they dreamed of. This will fail! Putin will fail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: 80 million votes! 80 million suckers. And yeah, it looks like Putin wants a pro-Russian government in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Russia’s already having more trouble than they dreamed of. This will fail! Putin will fail Doesn't look like it to me. They are moving pretty swiftly. Speaking of SWIFT .... Edited February 25, 2022 by HamSandwhich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said: Doesn't look like it to me. They are moving pretty swiftly. Reports I'm seeing is of a very strong and very defiant resistance by the Ukrainian forces. How long they can keep it up is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Reports I'm seeing is of a very strong and very defiant resistance by the Ukrainian forces. How long they can keep it up is the question. The issue Russia will have is occupation. If the people fight for their homes russia will never hold the occupation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Reports I'm seeing is of a very strong and very defiant resistance by the Ukrainian forces. How long they can keep it up is the question. Conventionally, Russia is routing them, not sure how you don't see that. Took 2 days to encircle the capital with minimal casualties sadly. It will become a quagmire and bogged down but Russia does not have the scruples the US does. They will exterminate and won't think twice about it. I would not be surprised if they round people are an execute if they don't bend the knee. It's a very sad state of affairs but that's what communist governments do. Pray that it does not go any further than it already has! 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: The issue Russia will have is occupation. If the people fight for their homes russia will never hold the occupation. Not surprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Doesn't look like it to me. They are moving pretty swiftly. Speaking of SWIFT .... Really, you seen any prisoners captured by Russia? Ive seen Russians captured by Ukraine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Conventionally, Russia is routing them, not sure how you don't see that. Took 2 days to encircle the capital with minimal casualties sadly. It will become a quagmire and bogged down but Russia does not have the scruples the US does. They will exterminate and won't think twice about it. I would not be surprised if they round people are an execute if they don't bend the knee. It's a very sad state of affairs but that's what communist governments do. Pray that it does not go any further than it already has! Not surprising Russia can't just execute civilians left and right. It's one to shoot into some neighborhoods and have some civilians die but if they round them up Russia will not hold that country and I would imagine the world would shut russia off financially for good. No money in no money out and seize all the assets of the oligarchs and putin outside russia. Start seizing all the soccer clubs, yachts homes etc they own and this thing is over by next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Really, you seen any prisoners captured by Russia? Ive seen Russians captured by Ukraine Is that the measure for success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, aristocrat said: The issue Russia will have is occupation. If the people fight for their homes russia will never hold the occupation. Biden’s not afraid to show Putin we are reading their communications, watching their every move and suppling Putin’s enemies with weapons to kill his soldiers. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, aristocrat said: The issue Russia will have is occupation. If the people fight for their homes russia will never hold the occupation. Biden is such a disaster. Absolutely absurd. Can this dude do anything that doesn’t turn into a dumpster fire? I didn’t have high hopes for him, thought maybe we’d have 4 years of normalcy and just kind of recalibrate, but holy **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, aristocrat said: Russia can't just execute civilians left and right. It's one to shoot into some neighborhoods and have some civilians die but if they round them up Russia will not hold that country and I would imagine the world would shut russia off financially for good. No money in no money out and seize all the assets of the oligarchs and putin outside russia. Start seizing all the soccer clubs, yachts homes etc they own and this thing is over by next week. Nothing is off the table for this regime. Putin has proven himself to be irrational, nothing can be assumed anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said: Is that the measure for success? Just one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Biden’s not afraid to show Putin we are reading their communications, watching their every move and suppling Putin’s enemies with weapons to kill his soldiers. 👍 The spin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Russia can't just execute civilians left and right. It's one to shoot into some neighborhoods and have some civilians die but if they round them up Russia will not hold that country and I would imagine the world would shut russia off financially for good. No money in no money out and seize all the assets of the oligarchs and putin outside russia. Start seizing all the soccer clubs, yachts homes etc they own and this thing is over by next week. Especially with the American media watching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said: Nothing is off the table for this regime. Putin has proven himself to be irrational, nothing can be assumed anymore. Ukraine is arming citizens and encouraging them to build firebombs.. Russian military/Chechen warriors will attack them. Not much of a stretch to assume this is going to devolve into a level of barbarism that the Western world is not ready to see in a modern city/country. Edited February 25, 2022 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: Just one I'll be all the other measures are going well for Russia, unfortunately. I don't want Russia to do well but the media spin is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, HamSandwhich said: The spin Just now, HamSandwhich said: The spin No, he’s doing it. All those things. Spin, lol. Facts are sticky things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, SCBills said: Ukraine is arming citizens and encouraging them to build firebombs.. Not much of a stretch to assume this is going to devolve into a level of barbarism that the Western world is not ready to see in a modern city/country. Exactly. Just now, Tiberius said: No, he’s doing it. All those things. Spin, lol. Facts are sticky things He gave it to China and expected it to get to Russia. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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