Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 51 minutes ago, Governor said: This is what 4 years of Isolationism gets you. You can’t retreat from the entire world and expect no one else to make a move and fill that void. There is a point in there somewhere… if trump wasn’t so detestable there is no way a doddering old fool like this one would be in charge now. 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So, 40 million people about to be conqured and enslaved by Putin is simply Biden's fault and that's it. Wow! You are finally getting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 8 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I'm glad to hear you are not advocating military intervention. I may be wrong, but it seems @Tiberius and @BillStime are pretty hip on the idea. One of them is hip to the idea because he thinks it will make Biden look better. The other one is hip to the idea because he thinks it will make Trump look worse. For both, this is purely about domestic politics in November. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, snafu said: One of them is hip to the idea because he thinks it will make Biden look better. The other one is hip to the idea because he thinks it will make Trump look worse. For both, this is purely about domestic politics in November. Nope, Biden will suffer if he does the right thing. Most politicians do the wrong thing for short term gain. This is standing up for right. What do you think? Just let Putin do whatever he wants to avoid war, like we did with Hitler in the 1930's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What do you think? Just let Putin do whatever he wants to avoid war, like we did with Hitler in the 1930's? So far that appears to be what’s happening no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Nope, Biden will suffer if he does the right thing. Most politicians do the wrong thing for short term gain. This is standing up for right. What do you think? Just let Putin do whatever he wants to avoid war, like we did with Hitler in the 1930's? Hitler, Putin… you lefty socialists have a wired love hate thing with your own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Hitler, Putin… you lefty socialists have a wired love hate thing with your own Oh, so you do not know history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh, so you do not know history. The reality is the modern American left has adopted the tactics and methods of historical fascist regimes while deluding themselves into believing they're cause is justified by the pursuit of social good. Demonizing and persecuting their political opposition and causing harm to them as they accuse their victims of using the very same tactics they employ. Nefarious practices employed by the left for "good". Same as Hitler, right? Purging the unfit, making a better society for the Reich. In this case of current day, making America better by purging the ideological unfit. Now you may object to that description and comparison and accuse those on the right of such behavior but that argument is empty. Because the left controls almost every institution and organization of society so its hard to reconcile their world view as victims when they are the establishment with almost total control over society. The left controls the government, the media, corporations, everything. What does the right control? Mostly legions of powerless individuals assembling into citizen groups that are demonized by the left. Edited February 22, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The reality is the modern American left has adopted the tactics and methods of historical fascist regimes while deluding themselves into believing they're cause is justified by the pursuit of social good. Demonizing and persecuting their political opposition and causing harm to them as they accuse their victims of using the very same tactics they employ. Nefarious practices employed by the left for "good". Same as Hitler, right? Purging the unfit, making a better society for the Reich. In this case of current day, making America better by purging the ideological unfit. Now you may object to that description and comparison and accuse those on the right of such behavior but that argument is empty. Because the left controls almost every institution and organization of society so its hard to reconcile their world view as victims when they are the establishment with almost total control over society. The left controls the government, the media, corporations, everything. What does the right control? Whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: Whatever So I think I hit the nail right on the head here! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, All_Pro_Bills said: So I think I hit the nail right on the head here! Yup, "Blah, blah blah" is a forceful argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Purging the unfit Like passing laws to suppress the vote? Banning history and books? Like passing laws against LGTBQ? Controlling women's bodies? Yea we know all about what you think is unfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Biden did send a carrier battle group through the South China Sea and China went ballistic. I guess you did not know that US carrier battle groups have been operating in the South China Sea since the 40's. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: US carrier battle groups have been operating in the South China Sea since the 40's. Off and on, yes. Now it's on. 19 hours ago, sherpa said: Thank goodness for the strength and resolve of the UN to prevent these situations. What? What is this suppose to mean? Maybe UNICEF should stop it, also? 👩🎓 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Off and on, yes. Now it's on. No. On and on for decades. It's Seventh Fleet's main area of operation. We have had a carrier permanently based in Japan since Oct 1973 to handle this area, and other west coast based carriers augment it. Been going on since the end of WWII. That bit of reality aside, I have no idea what you think would be a good idea re US military response to this, knowing the reality of the situation. The only thing I have seen you post that suggested anything was a deployment of two squadrons to Ukraine territory, which is an insane idea. 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Off and on, yes. Now it's on. What? What is this suppose to mean? Maybe UNICEF should stop it, also? 👩🎓 UNICEF and other corrupt aid functions of the UN have nothing to do with this. They got this thing called the Security Council. They had their usual debate meeting yesterday and did nothing in the face of blind aggression------again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, sherpa said: No. On and on for decades. It's Seventh Fleet's main area of operation. We have had a carrier permanently based in Japan since Oct 1973 to handle this area, and other west coast based carriers augment it. Been going on since the end of WWII. That bit of reality aside, I have no idea what you think would be a good idea re US military response to this, knowing the reality of the situation. The only thing I have seen you post that suggested anything was a deployment of two squadrons to Ukraine territory, which is an insane idea. UNICEF and other corrupt aid functions of the UN have nothing to do with this. They got this thing called the Security Council. They had their usual debate meeting yesterday and did nothing in the face of blind aggression------again. I quests China shouldn’t be upset then, but they are. You brought up UN, not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: This has nothing to do with helping GOP and everything to do with Biden being a total failure. The irony is how he enriched his own family off of the regime he has since abandoned. As for now? No I don’t want this incompetent administration spending any American lives, they aren’t bright enough to make it matter. I didn't know Biden was invading Ukraine. So strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I quests China shouldn’t be upset then, but they are. You brought up UN, not me China being "upset" is a non event. We have been operating in the South China Sea forever. Regarding the UN, I brought it up to point out another example of it's historical uselessness in fulfilling its primary goal. You are the one who threw the red herring UNICEF into it. Humanitarian offices have nothing to do with this. The Security Council does. Again, what do you propose that the US and/or NATO do, militarily, to solve this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I imagine this has been brought up several times but if Trump was Purim’s stooge why did he wait until Trump was gone to pull this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, sherpa said: China being "upset" is a non event. We have been operating in the South China Sea forever. Regarding the UN, I brought it up to point out another example of it's historical uselessness in fulfilling its primary goal. You are the one who threw the red herring UNICEF into it. Humanitarian offices have nothing to do with this. The Security Council does. Again, what do you propose that the US and/or NATO do, militarily, to solve this? So Biden is doing his job in regards to China there then and not backing down as claimed UN primary goal is to stop a brutal dictator from attacking his neighbor? Not sure about that. Maybe it plays a role, but to say it’s a failure because aggression still happens is like blaming a doctor when people get sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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