Again the offense is just off....

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

On 11/22/2021 at 7:32 AM, Billzgobowlin said:

That's a lot to ask any offense.  Getting in a hole 24-7 and expecting everything to go right.  There is probably only a couple teams in the league that you would be optimistic about that type of comeback.

 

14 of the 24 points were though of the offenses and ST own making.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

14 of the 24 points were though of the offenses and ST own making.

 

Allen's first INT was returned to the Colts 43 yard line. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the DEF to force a punt there (or at least hold them to a FG).  

 

The McKenzie fumble recovered at the 2 is a different story of course. 

[Sugar High JA17]

It's maddening to watch a QB throw for 106 yards and stomp our Bums by 30!

I think the point is, when you know what the other team wants to do, and you let them do it and lose, it says a lot about your ability to plan, implement, and execute.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Allen's first INT was returned to the Colts 43 yard line. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the DEF to force a punt there (or at least hold them to a FG).  

 

The McKenzie fumble recovered at the 2 is a different story of course. 

 

True, but still didn't help.  Statistically does count, recall at the end of the game seeing the stat posted Points off Turnovers 24-0

[LABILLBACKER]

On 11/22/2021 at 4:37 AM, BuffaloRebound said:

This has been a while in the making.  Daboll’s run at the blackjack table is over.  Teams started figuring us out last year.  Daboll has no answer other than doing the same thing and he built an offense that can’t run the ball.  

Yup....the answer is as simple as this ^...It wouldn't surprise me if McD goes shopping for a different OC.  One that values a strong OL and some semblance of a run attack. 

[ngbills]

On 11/22/2021 at 4:32 AM, Billzgobowlin said:

That's a lot to ask any offense.  Getting in a hole 24-7 and expecting everything to go right.  There is probably only a couple teams in the league that you would be optimistic about that type of comeback.

Not in todays NFL. As the OP said, your score before half and again to start the 2nd and you have a 24-21 game. Happens all the time, not just a couple of teams. 

[Billsfan1972]

4 hours ago, teef said:

when you stop creating thread strictly for attention, poster,(and not just me) may respond a bit better.  this all started with you not thinking diggs was getting enough targets.  people didn't think it was a big deal, and it wasn't because the offense was working.  somehow this evolved into you calling out the offense not playing well, and this childish nonsense began.  

 

you create threads, and even when people give you proper responses, you just ignore the conversation, and key in on if someone calls you out.  it's what you want, and you act shocked when it happens.

 

i have zero idea what's going on in your life, but this need for attention is insane.  when we see a tread that you've started, most of us realize it's not to have a discussion, but to start this kind of nonsense.  it's sad.  if you need it, so be it, but most of us don't.  the game was terrible, but i had fun because i was with family and friends.  yesterday i took off to spend more time with my family that's up for the holidays.  you know...the important stuff in life?  

 

 

Actually was right about the offense and Diggs targets, but you keep ignoring that.

 

My friends are adults and not as obsessed about the Bills.  So yes I come here and yep post my thoughts and what I see.  

 

So again Teef confirm that it is your opinion that Diggs has enough targets and the offense is fine.😅

 

 

 

 

[teef]

47 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Actually was right about the offense and Diggs targets, but you keep ignoring that.

 

My friends are adults and not as obsessed about the Bills.  So yes I come here and yep post my thoughts and what I see.  

 

So again Teef confirm that it is your opinion that Diggs has enough targets and the offense is fine.😅

 

 

 

 

tell you what?  show me where i actually said any of this.  try your best.  i didn't because i just don't take any of your posting seriously.

 

you start simple treads, usually asking a question, where you never actually give your opinion or suggestions.  multiple posters respond in a reasonable manner, and you don't answer back.  you wait until someone challenges you, then you become chatty.  why?  you need the attention.  look at this thread.  just because i didn't come in and comment, you called me out?  do i live in your head or what?  why do i live in your head?  because i'm right...you need attention in the worst way.  i have a feeling you were giddy about the loss, just so you could create a tread like this.  it's sad, you're sad, and the fact that you spent that much time thinking of me is wildly sad.  

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

tell you what?  show me where i actually said any of this.  try your best.  i didn't because i just don't take any of your posting seriously.

 

you start simple treads, usually asking a question, where you never actually give your opinion or suggestions.  multiple posters respond in a reasonable manner, and you don't answer back.  you wait until someone challenges you, then you become chatty.  why?  you need the attention.  look at this thread.  just because i didn't come in and comment, you called me out?  do i live in your head or what?  why do i live in your head?  because i'm right...you need attention in the worst way.  i have a feeling you were giddy about the loss, just so you could create a tread like this.  it's sad, you're sad, and the fact that you spent that much time thinking of me is wildly sad.  

Think he likes you bro,  says things knowing it will get your attention and ruffle your feathers. Likes it like that.....maybe get ya one of them "bro jobs" lol

[Nextmanup]

On 11/22/2021 at 7:40 AM, Andy1 said:

We have all seen teams worse than our Bills overcome 24-7 deficits with a half a game still to play. They seem to be missing inner mental strength to overcome difficulties. Maybe they got spoiled on a soft schedule. Maybe coaches aren’t adjusting enough. Maybe they just think Josh will pull a rabbit out of a hat to win. They were missing key players yesterday but good teams find a way to overcome obstacles. Whatever it is, they better figure it out soon.

Yes that's it.

 

They just don't have enough inner mental strength.

 

PS:  Just curious, how in the world would you actually know something like that?  What data are you using to make your evaluation, other than blind speculation.

 

 

 

 

[teef]

45 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Think he likes you bro,  says things knowing it will get your attention and ruffle your feathers. Likes it like that.....maybe get ya one of them "bro jobs" lol

i actually feel bad for him.  you know he started this thread looking for love, didn't get any, and went looking.  

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

i actually feel bad for him.  you know he started this thread looking for love, didn't get any, and went looking.  

lol, dude I was browsing through the local female escort listing and an ad some dude that wasn't even supposed to be in female listings that said , "a mouth is a mouth, bro jobs are better".

 

I was like, damn man. Dude must be desperate. Anyway, for some reason this made me think of you

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, teef said:

tell you what?  show me where i actually said any of this.  try your best.  i didn't because i just don't take any of your posting seriously.

 

you start simple treads, usually asking a question, where you never actually give your opinion or suggestions.  multiple posters respond in a reasonable manner, and you don't answer back.  you wait until someone challenges you, then you become chatty.  why?  you need the attention.  look at this thread.  just because i didn't come in and comment, you called me out?  do i live in your head or what?  why do i live in your head?  because i'm right...you need attention in the worst way.  i have a feeling you were giddy about the loss, just so you could create a tread like this.  it's sad, you're sad, and the fact that you spent that much time thinking of me is wildly sad.  

No I live in your head.  You're the one following my threads and trying to be "too cool" with your responses.  BTW you still didn't answer my question here about the offense being off and why are Diggs #'s down and whether you agreed this was an issue.   

 

I am not going to breakdown defensive schemes or such to make a point.  I state what most fans see and spur hopefully some conversation.

 

I will not go through every thread, but you seemed to think there was no issues with the offense and me stating it was off was my stupidity, backed by nothing?  When I stated #'s showing Diggs production was down, you did not jump on me in that thread stating again my ignorance?

 

I want Diggs in the top 5 and the offense to score 35+ a game.....  Oh and win home games vs. Pitt & Indy and not lose to Jax.....

 

Get off your high horse.

[Billsfan1972]

30 minutes ago, teef said:

i actually feel bad for him.  you know he started this thread looking for love, didn't get any, and went looking.  

Actually almost everyone agreed, but again you aren't paying attention.

[teef]

42 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I live in your head.  You're the one following my threads and trying to be "too cool" with your responses.  BTW you still didn't answer my question here about the offense being off and why are Diggs #'s down and whether you agreed this was an issue.   

 

I am not going to breakdown defensive schemes or such to make a point.  I state what most fans see and spur hopefully some conversation.

 

I will not go through every thread, but you seemed to think there was no issues with the offense and me stating it was off was my stupidity, backed by nothing?  When I stated #'s showing Diggs production was down, you did not jump on me in that thread stating again my ignorance?

 

I want Diggs in the top 5 and the offense to score 35+ a game.....  Oh and win home games vs. Pitt & Indy and not lose to Jax.....

 

Get off your high horse.

yeah.  yet you're the one who created a tread, didn't see me in it, and started calling for me.  this thread wasn't about anything else than getting my attention.  as sweet as that is, it's not valentines day yet!

29 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Actually almost everyone agreed, but again you aren't paying attention.

did mommy and daddy not hug you enough during the toddler stages?

58 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

lol, dude I was browsing through the local female escort listing and an ad some dude that wasn't even supposed to be in female listings that said , "a mouth is a mouth, bro jobs are better".

 

I was like, damn man. Dude must be desperate. Anyway, for some reason this made me think of you

lol!  i think the term bro job in now burned into my mind.

[Scott7975]

49 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Actually almost everyone agreed, but again you aren't paying attention.

 

You're problem is not necessarily the idea in your head that you post.  Its what you post and the way you post it.  Then its the way you engage people that comment about it.  You're entire post was... "The offense is off and Diggs #'s are down". Thats it.  You literally made a thread to say just that.  Its not thread worthy.  Its a simple comment not a thread starter.  

 

You don't actually describe why you think that.  You don't describe why you think the offense is off.  You don't talk about why you think Diggs numbers are down. You don't have any suggestions on what you think would make the offense better.  Those would be thread starters.  What you have is a thread comment.  

 

Then other posters actually take time to post why they think Diggs numbers were down and they post a lot of intelligent thoughts.  You engage none of it at all.  The only thing you engage is the posts that call you out.  Now you want to pump your chest?  You had nothing to say to pump your chest about. Just "Diggs numbers are down."

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

You're problem is not necessarily the idea in your head that you post.  Its what you post and the way you post it.  Then its the way you engage people that comment about it.  You're entire post was... "The offense is off and Diggs #'s are down". Thats it.  You literally made a thread to say just that.  Its not thread worthy.  Its a simple comment not a thread starter.  

 

You don't actually describe why you think that.  You don't describe why you think the offense is off.  You don't talk about why you think Diggs numbers are down. You don't have any suggestions on what you think would make the offense better.  Those would be thread starters.  What you have is a thread comment.  

 

Then other posters actually take time to post why they think Diggs numbers were down and they post a lot of intelligent thoughts.  You engage none of it at all.  The only thing you engage is the posts that call you out.  Now you want to pump your chest?  You had nothing to say to pump your chest about. Just "Diggs numbers are down."

When I said the Offense was off, many told me it was in my head and how wrong it was.

 

When I showed empirical evidence that Diggs #'s were down and that I blame on the offensive playcalling, again excuses.  Is Devonte Adams #'s down, Jeffersons.....  

 

I was not impressed with the offense vs. Miami, and thought the Jets game was the product of just a terrible defense.

 

Sorry if facts elude you.....

 

Frankly people want to make excuses for the Bills..... The Oline, no running game, double coverage on Diggs.....   This is a SB caliber team that is playing meh/lousy the last 5 weeks (Jets game notwithstanding).

[Scott7975]

7 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

When I said the Offense was off, many told me it was in my head and how wrong it was.

 

When I showed empirical evidence that Diggs #'s were down and that I blame on the offensive playcalling, again excuses.  Is Devonte Adams #'s down, Jeffersons.....  

 

I was not impressed with the offense vs. Miami, and thought the Jets game was the product of just a terrible defense.

 

Sorry if facts elude you.....

 

Frankly people want to make excuses for the Bills..... The Oline, no running game, double coverage on Diggs.....   This is a SB caliber team that is playing meh/lousy the last 5 weeks (Jets game notwithstanding).

 

People, including myself, gave reasons why that could be and you never engaged them at all.  The only people you engaged were the ones you are talking about.  Its like you posted to get reactions so you could troll but you didn't want any active discussion about the topic.  I say this because you never actually discussed the topic. You just repeated what you pretty much posted here and that was your entire thread.

[Andy1]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Yes that's it.

 

They just don't have enough inner mental strength.

 

PS:  Just curious, how in the world would you actually know something like that?  What data are you using to make your evaluation, other than blind speculation.

 

 

 

 

Yes I’m speculating. I hope it’s something else. The book on this season is only half written. The end has yet to be written. This team has a hill to climb to achieve their goals. Hopefully it has a happy ending.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The Bills normally come out of a bye better under McDermott. This year Allen looked different. He was visibly frustrated in the Dolphins game. Something I've never seen ever from Allen. Yelling and throwing fits. I said then something is not right. He started making poor decisions.

 

Something happened over the bye week. 

[The Jokeman]

On 11/22/2021 at 7:55 AM, Andy1 said:

I should also add that McBean have built a team for passing and for defending the pass. Under the right conditions, it’s a powerhouse. But maybe that needs some rethinking after this year.

DT has to be a priority this off-season Ed Oliver is not living up to his draft billing and Harry and Zimmer and Butler are just guys. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 11/22/2021 at 7:23 AM, Billsfan1972 said:

Said it before, but yesterday again brought it to light.  24-7 I still thought tds to end the half and start the second was in the cards.

 

But they were terrible.  Yes the weather was bad, but again, just so little from the offense when needed.

 

What's going on?

I said this in another thread and probably rightfully so got bashed for it, but I think Allen’s arm is overrated this year. He underthrows WRs on deep shots or cross field, or throws them low where they have to dive to the ground. 
 

But to the OP I’d say:

 

1. The offensive line bad, and every other game they get dominated.

 

2. The stand pat method at the skill position players hasn’t been as effective. We are seeing Beasley lose a step, Sanders slowing down, Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie turned into complementary pieces who aren’t ready to step in and fill those voids. In short, our player snap mix is worse, we’re getting less out of the same players.
 

To that point, Diggs is closer to 1,100 yards, instead of the 1,500 yards and the touchdown pace isn’t elite either.

 

3. An add-on to #2 - You stand pat and opposing Defensive Coordinators lock onto what you are doing and start to slow you down. The jet sweep action comes and goes this season, we haven’t run as much 4 and 5 wide sets since Pittsburgh/OLine debacle.

 

4. NFL Fringe players who get on the field - Gilliam, Sweeney, Ford (not NFL), Boettger, Zack Moss. 

5. McDermott is losing some of his risk taking to attempt field goals. 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

Instead of starting another thread, I'd just revive this.  

 

The offense, which looked fixed vs. NE, again just not what one expects from Buffalo.

 

Allen was bad yesterday (except for his legs).

 

Receivers don't seem to get much open field and yet again the weather sucked.  

 

Something about playing at home and not having a home field advantage this year too.

 

Watched some of Rogers last night and just how good he & Adams are.  Then see Burrows and Chase (a rookie) in open field, and again want to see that with Allen.  Brady with another 400 yard game too.

 

Still high on the Bills, but this won't do in the playoffs.

 

Everything positive vs. NE, now you wonder a little about.

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Instead of starting another thread, I'd just revive this.  

 

The offense, which looked fixed vs. NE, again just not what one expects from Buffalo.

 

Allen was bad yesterday (except for his legs).

 

Receivers don't seem to get much open field and yet again the weather sucked.  

 

Something about playing at home and not having a home field advantage this year too.

 

Watched some of Rogers last night and just how good he & Adams are.  Then see Burrows and Chase (a rookie) in open field, and again want to see that with Allen.  Brady with another 400 yard game too.

 

Still high on the Bills, but this won't do in the playoffs.

 

Everything positive vs. NE, now you wonder a little about.

 

On the plus side Singletary is giving them a good running game. That will help take the pressure off Allen. It wasn't a good throwing day for Allen and that will have to improve. I am encouraged by the running game getting better.