YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) So let me get this straight. Zach Wilson (!) is handed the starting job with Jersey. They have no competition for him or even a vet backup (or anyone who has ever taken a snap in a reg season game). But the most highly rated QB in a decade, with 3 years starting experience in college, the consensus #1 overall pick who probably would have gone #1 as a true sophomore… or freshman.. isn’t handed the job. And it’s because … Gardner minshew. I don’t know which scenario is more crazy to me. Edited August 25, 2021 by YoloinOhio 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: So let me get this straight. Zach Wilson (!) is handed the starting job with Jersey. But the most highly rated QB in a decade, with 3 years starting experience in college, isn’t. And it’s because … Gardner minshew. I don’t know which scenario is more crazy to me. What a QB room ours is still better though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: What a QB room ours is still better though Don’t get too attached to Fromm 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So let me get this straight. Zach Wilson (!) is handed the starting job with Jersey. They have no competition for him or even a vet backup (or anyone who has ever taken a snap in a reg season game). But the most highly rated QB in a decade, with 3 years starting experience in college, the consensus #1 overall pick who probably would have gone #1 as a true sophomore… or freshman.. isn’t handed the job. And it’s because … Gardner minshew. I don’t know which scenario is more crazy to me. If Lawrence is as good as they say he is, he should easily win that job... Handing a rookie a job is never a good idea...look how Losman turned out. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So let me get this straight. Zach Wilson (!) is handed the starting job with Jersey. They have no competition for him or even a vet backup (or anyone who has ever taken a snap in a reg season game). But the most highly rated QB in a decade, with 3 years starting experience in college, the consensus #1 overall pick who probably would have gone #1 as a true sophomore… or freshman.. isn’t handed the job. And it’s because … Gardner minshew. I don’t know which scenario is more crazy to me. If there was a veteran QB on the team, I could understand this logic but besides having good stats in a few games, why is Minshew even being portrayed as potential starter? Is this really a competition at all? Appears to be a charade on the face of it. 5 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Handing a rookie a job is never a good idea...look how Losman turned out. In theory, I agree. But, Minshew? Edited August 12, 2021 by Fan in Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: If Lawrence is as good as they say he is, he should easily win that job... Handing a rookie a job is never a good idea...look how Losman turned out. I think it would be the right idea in certain cases. Like this one. Everyone knows he’s going to start eventually. He’s obviously the best QB on the roster. They are a rebuilding team as it is, there is no entrenched vet. Minshew is a poor Man’s fitzy. They know what he is. Seems pointless not to just Lawrence in there right away. Peyton Manning didn’t hang out and compete for the starting job. Have to get in there and take some lumps to develop. IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 The Jets scenario is crazy, I can understand the competition in Jacksonville. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: … Gardner minshew. I don’t know which scenario is more crazy to me. never underestimate the hypnotizing power of a mullet and stash.. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Because coaches never say things that aren't true 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Don’t get too attached to Fromm At least we have Josh and Motorboatin' Mitchell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Big Turk said: If Lawrence is as good as they say he is, he should easily win that job... Handing a rookie a job is never a good idea...look how Losman turned out. Losman wasn't handed the job. Bledsoe played all season that year and it wasn't a competition beforehand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, wjag said: never underestimate the hypnotizing power of a mullet and stash.. So much this... if there's a rattail it's game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 I actually think this is the way to do it. You dont hand anything to anyone, let him earn the position. Minshew is not as physically gifted, but he has won games in the league, and has teammates who have bled with him over the last few years. When you just hand a position to someone based solely on draft position you set a terrible precedent for your team and run the risk of losing your locker room. That said, Urban better make it a real competition and not just for show. The Jets went about this the complete wrong way. Should have had a vet to help coach and teach the kid on the intricacies of the pro game, and how to study film at this level. The Bills are the perfect example of how to support your QB. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Losman wasn't handed the job. Bledsoe played all season that year and it wasn't a competition beforehand. When did Troy Vincent break his leg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: When did Troy Vincent break his leg? Camp, but he was not going to start. It was always Bledsoe's job that year. That was never in doubt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I actually think this is the way to do it. You dont hand anything to anyone, let him earn the position. Minshew is not as physically gifted, but he has won games in the league, and has teammates who have bled with him over the last few years. When you just hand a position to someone based solely on draft position you set a terrible precedent for your team and run the risk of losing your locker room. That said, Urban better make it a real competition and not just for show. The Jets went about this the complete wrong way. Should have had a vet to help coach and teach the kid on the intricacies of the pro game, and how to study film at this level. The Bills are the perfect example of how to support your QB. Well now they are but even Beane admits they didn’t go about it the right way in his rookie year. Still can’t believe they went into the year with him and peterman. And while that could kind of compare to what the jags are doing with minshew, minshew is better than peterman and josh was considered a raw project and not expected to start right away. I see Trevor as ready to go. He might not be perfect on day one but not going to develop on the bench. Seems like a charade to me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So let me get this straight. Zach Wilson (!) is handed the starting job with Jersey. They have no competition for him or even a vet backup (or anyone who has ever taken a snap in a reg season game). But the most highly rated QB in a decade, with 3 years starting experience in college, the consensus #1 overall pick who probably would have gone #1 as a true sophomore… or freshman.. isn’t handed the job. And it’s because … Gardner minshew. I don’t know which scenario is more crazy to me. I mean, this is just what they have to say, right? It's the right thing for Meyer to say to keep camp competitive and try to get the best out of his players. I wouldnt compare any team to what the Jets are doing as some sort of guideline or measuring stick. They are a mess. And it's delicious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) I guess we will see both jags tonight… (by that I mean minshew and Trevor) 😇 Edited August 12, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I mean, this is just what they have to say, right? It's the right thing for Meyer to say to keep camp competitive and try to get the best out of his players. I wouldnt compare any team to what the Jets are doing as some sort of guideline or measuring stick. They are a mess. And it's delicious. Wilson will be crying for his Mama by week 8 if not sooner. Nothing in his patty-cake career at BYU has prepared him for the NFL and the Jets certainly don’t seem to be doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I actually think this is the way to do it. You dont hand anything to anyone, let him earn the position. Minshew is not as physically gifted, but he has won games in the league, and has teammates who have bled with him over the last few years. When you just hand a position to someone based solely on draft position you set a terrible precedent for your team and run the risk of losing your locker room. That said, Urban better make it a real competition and not just for show. The Jets went about this the complete wrong way. Should have had a vet to help coach and teach the kid on the intricacies of the pro game, and how to study film at this level. The Bills are the perfect example of how to support your QB. You make some good points here regarding the veterans on that team. If Minshew is outperforming Lawrence at this time, nobody knows it better than the players in the locker room. There is no better way for a coach, especially a new one, to lose credibility with veteran players than to give a job to a player who has clearly been outperformed by another. That said, I have no idea if Minshew has shown better in camp than Lawrence. Meyer may also be trying to simply motivate Lawrence, who has never been second fiddle to anyone on the field before. Might be giving Minshew enough rope to hang himself, also. Either way, the vets in that team will know better than anyone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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