TheBrownBear Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: this is me I might as well share my body as well. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 44 minutes ago, Big Turk said: 5'8" 185lbs. Workout twice a day. Look like a linebacker. But that isn't what I am talking about and has no real relevance to not being vaccinated. For Pop Warner? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Looks like I’m currently the only babysitter on line, and personally, idgaff. 🤷♂️ 14 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Players also have a personal choice to not play hard, keep in shape, not understand the playbook, all that would have an impact on the team. Likewise, they can make a personal choice not to get a vaccine that sharply reduces the chance the team will need to forfeit a game. Both choices have consequences and a team, employer or anyone has the choice to not have them on the team. I don't think those choices are comparable with being vaccinated. The others are all pure football. The vaccine is more than that. I think it is a relevant football consideration don't get me wrong, but it is not only about football. I think that is a bit of a false equivalence to compare it to not learning the playbook, with respect. Just now, Chandler#81 said: Looks like I’m currently the only babysitter on line, and personally, idgaff. 🤷♂️ Nah Hapless is in the Beas thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: For Pop Warner? One of my best friends from HS went on to play sprint football at the Naval Academy. Maybe he was referring to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Absolutely sickening🤮 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think those choices are comparable with being vaccinated. The others are all pure football. The vaccine is more than that. I think it is a relevant football consideration don't get me wrong, but it is not only about football. I think that is a bit of a false equivalence to compare it to not learning the playbook, with respect. Nah Hapless is in the Beas thread. Stalker. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Just now, Chandler#81 said: Stalker. @GunnerBillis an amateur stalker compared to my professional level. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: @GunnerBillis an amateur stalker compared to my professional level. Yea I have never been through Taysom Hill's underwear drawer. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 29 minutes ago, dorquemada said: a 5'8" 185lb linebacker A point. That would be more like Isaiah McKenzie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: Yea I have never been through Taysom Hill's underwear drawer. Let me tell you...it is fantastic, love the assortment, everything from a-z including G-string 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: Indeed but how many of us suddenly have the terms of our employment on a matter as serious as this changed under our noses and the only options being conform or go? It is dangerous territory in my view. The league has provided a 3rd (tougher restrictions) option for players, I personally think they should do the same for coaches. And believe me I have little time for the anti-vax argument. Having worked in the military, worked in banks, retail, and for municipalities, rules get changed with no input from the masses all the time, it’s part of everyday life, does it create problems for folk? Yes it does, but we all make choices to mitigate the impact of our circumstances changing, it’s what happens when the responsibility of being the adult in the room rests on ones shoulders, it’s unfortunate that lives get put in a state of turmoil, but that has been the case for all of the history of humanity, people make choices, many times they make, shall we say choices that have negative impacts on their lives, like you I have little patience for the anti vaccination arguments, I wish no harm on those who don’t vax, but the outcome of that decision rest on their shoulders… 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: I didn’t know that controlling peoples health choices would become such a big deal. Oh wait… Actually I totally did. Er, we do know that where relevant, employers have been mandating their employees to get vaccinated for years now? Flu, Hepatitis B, etc etc 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Dude made a choice, his employer made a choice. All is well. Also, 5'8" and look like a linebacker? ha ha ha ha. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Er, we do know that where relevant, employers have been mandating their employees to get vaccinated for years now? Flu, Hepatitis B, etc etc I once worked for a internet start-up in San Jose and the owner mandated the flu shot. But there was no HR Dept to take a grievance to. Just him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Draconator said: I once worked for a internet start-up in San Jose and the owner mandated the flu shot. But there was no HR Dept to take a grievance to. Just him. It would appear he was the HR department… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Imagine being so stupid you lose your job b.c you didn't want a simple shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: It would appear he was the HR department… He was something.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Indeed but how many of us suddenly have the terms of our employment on a matter as serious as this changed under our noses and the only options being conform or go? It is dangerous territory in my view. The league has provided a 3rd (tougher restrictions) option for players, I personally think they should do the same for coaches. And believe me I have little time for the anti-vax argument. *Raises hand*. In 1983, I was working with nice, juicy, fresh, bloody human tissue in a research lab when Hepatitis B vaccine was developed. The original vaccine, the one that was derived from blood, not the much safer recombinant vaccine. I was told, "get the vaccine, or Get Out - look for another job". The hospital/med school and its health insurer didn't want to be responsible for Hep B treatment for employees when the disease was preventable by vaccine. Not only that, they actually checked our antibody levels and it took me 5 shots over 4 months to seroconvert. 😬 Don't overlook the role that Risk Management and insurance play in employer decisions. It's pretty clear the NFL would like to mandate the vaccine for players too but the NFLPA nixed that. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Just now, TBBills said: Imagine being so stupid you lose your job b.c you didn't want a simple shot. Sometimes people take stands on things that might not make sense to others. A lot of well meaning people don't seem to grasp that "but it's for your own good" is not an infallible argument. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 I clearly don't understand some people. Rick Dennison enjoy your bank account I guess. I am ambivalent to this news honestly. His choice no skin off my nose. Meh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Having worked in the military, worked in banks, retail, and for municipalities, rules get changed with no input from the masses all the time, it’s part of everyday life, does it create problems for folk? Yes it does, but we all make choices to mitigate the impact of our circumstances changing, it’s what happens when the responsibility of being the adult in the room rests on ones shoulders, it’s unfortunate that lives get put in a state of turmoil, but that has been the case for all of the history of humanity, people make choices, many times they make, shall we say choices that have negative impacts on their lives, like you I have little patience for the anti vaccination arguments, I wish no harm on those who don’t vax, but the outcome of that decision rest on their shoulders… Again though with respect I doubt those rule changes are a true equivalence with the vaccination. I don't feel comfortable with a decision of this seriousness being driven by employment. To me it is either a public policy decision that should be taken by Government or it is a personal responsibility decision to be taken by individuals. I feel instinctively uncomfortable with this kind of middle ground of employment being used to enforce by stealth. I say that as someone who does public policy making as a career. It makes me instinctively uncomfortable because (and I appreciate I am slightly off the point and the mods may kill this) if you try the incentivisation through economic factors (such as employment) approach and you get it wrong the long term damage to society is severe. I'd equate it to the Conservative incentivisation for private home ownership in the UK in the 80s. Well intentioned policy but it was using economic factors to drive societal behaviour and some of our most serious societal problems in the UK now can be traced back to the two tier society it left us with. That is my concern. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, TBBills said: Imagine being so stupid you lose your job b.c you didn't want a simple shot. To be fair, it is a relatively new vaccine and not FDA approved. I wouldn't say it's "stupid". He was given a choice and he took it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: A point. That would be more like Isaiah McKenzie I’m fairly certain 5’8, 185 were Sam Huff & Nick Bononconti’s measurables.. HOF LB’s.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Again though with respect I doubt those rule changes are a true equivalence with the vaccination. I don't feel comfortable with a decision of this seriousness being driven by employment. To me it is either a public policy decision that should be taken by Government or it is a personal responsibility decision to be taken by individuals. I feel instinctively uncomfortable with this kind of middle ground of employment being used to enforce by stealth. I say that as someone who does public policy making as a career. It makes me instinctively uncomfortable because (and I appreciate I am slightly off the point and the mods may kill this) if you try the incentivisation through economic factors (such as employment) approach and you get it wrong the long term damage to society is severe. I'd equate it to the Conservative incentivisation for private home ownership in the UK in the 80s. Well intentioned policy but it was using economic factors to drive societal behaviour and some of our most serious societal problems in the UK now can be traced back to the two tier society it left us with. That is my concern. Yeah, this is wandering way away from football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yeah, this is wandering way away from football. I will say no more on that point. I was just trying to explain where my nervousness at this outcome originates from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Love it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I’m fairly certain 5’8, 185 were Sam Huff & Nick Bononconti’s measurables.. HOF LB’s.. Sam Huff was 6'1 and Nick Bo was 5'11". Both at least a standard deviation taller than their age peers 5'8" puts our poster in the 34th percentile for American adult males. Doug FLutie could dunk on him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I’m fairly certain 5’8, 185 were Sam Huff & Nick Bononconti’s measurables.. HOF LB’s.. Based on pictures I'd guess both were well over both of those measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Again though with respect I doubt those rule changes are a true equivalence with the vaccination. I don't feel comfortable with a decision of this seriousness being driven by employment. To me it is either a public policy decision that should be taken by Government or it is a personal responsibility decision to be taken by individuals. I feel instinctively uncomfortable with this kind of middle ground of employment being used to enforce by stealth. I say that as someone who does public policy making as a career. It makes me instinctively uncomfortable because (and I appreciate I am slightly off the point and the mods may kill this) if you try the incentivisation through economic factors (such as employment) approach and you get it wrong the long term damage to society is severe. I'd equate it to the Conservative incentivisation for private home ownership in the UK in the 80s. Well intentioned policy but it was using economic factors to drive societal behaviour and some of our most serious societal problems in the UK now can be traced back to the two tier society it left us with. That is my concern. See my post above. I had exactly that experience with Hep B vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I just ate a chocolate Dilly Bar. I can't really work in the heat like I used to. I think I am getting old. I like those Kit Kat ice cream bars. It's 82 outside, I'm inside, my 65 y.o. wife is outside doing yard work. I'm younger than her. Wonder what she's gonna make for dinner? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: See my post above. I had exactly that experience with Hep B vaccine. See? And now you're dead and ghostpoasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, I am the egg man said: I like those Kit Kat ice cream bars. It's 82 outside, I'm inside, my 65 y.o. wife is outside doing yard work. I'm younger than her. Wonder what she's gonna make for dinner? What color does she want to paint the ceiling? That's the real question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: See my post above. I had exactly that experience with Hep B vaccine. Yea just read it. And I do see that certain jobs and industries where a risk is higher because of the nature of the job are different. But overall I stand by my point. It is a high risk approach from a public policy perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 this is me, damn vaccine turned my skin green but my wife likes me to go around without a shirt now. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Yea just read it. And I do see that certain jobs and industries where a risk is higher because of the nature of the job are different. But overall I stand by my point. It is a high risk approach from a public policy perspective. It's not a public policy. It's the NFL's policy, a private employer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, I am the egg man said: I like those Kit Kat ice cream bars. It's 82 outside, I'm inside, my 65 y.o. wife is outside doing yard work. I'm younger than her. Wonder what she's gonna make for dinner? ^^^ NOW THAT my friends is a true KING of his castle & all he surveys!! +1. I am Jonsing w/envy! 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What color does she want to paint the ceiling? That's the real question. Killjoy! 😉😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's not a public policy. It's the NFL's policy, a private employer. Yes I know that is my point I consider it should be a matter of public policy not a matter of using economic nudge factors. That was my whole point in the post wandering off football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
145B4IDIE Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Well im 6’1 218 and my calves are Spartanesque! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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