It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[Sundancer]

17 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Aren't others, elder and people at risk already protected by their vaccinations/boosters? 

 

Protected, yes in part, for those who have the awareness and ability to get it. But they remain at risk. 

 

But sure, let's keep debating the merits of getting vaccinated because that's helpful. 

 

Benefits>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>risks

 

For individuals and society. 

 

On another note, for people who say it doesn't work and boosters prove it:

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Anecdotal story today: We had our first break through case at the office this week. We’ve had zero issues in well over a year. Everyone on the team is vaccinated and yet one of my staff got it from his adult live-in son and now he’s been sent home where he, his wife and son all have a severe case of the virus. Another staff member, also vaccinated, just tested positive. So…now I had to send my entire team home to get tested and quarantine. I’ll keep you posted.

Good thoughts from here Deek.  

[Chef Jim]

50 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Protected, yes in part, for those who have the awareness and ability to get it. But they remain at risk. 

 

But sure, let's keep debating the merits of getting vaccinated because that's helpful. 

 

Benefits>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>risks

 

For individuals and society. 

 

On another note, for people who say it doesn't work and boosters prove it:

 

 

We are not here to debate the risks vs rewards of vaccination.  It's the need to mandate it or lose your livelihood.   But you knew that.  

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Sundancer said:

You think they won’t be shutting stuff down and enacting mandates into the winter rise? I suspect it’s coming. 
 

NE states spiking up. Did the same last year too. Hopefully people got vaxxed and boosted. 

 

 

And this dynamic lasts for?    

 

15 days?

 

Till we're at a magic vaccinated Percentage that does nothing?  

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

18 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

And this dynamic lasts for?    

 

15 days?

 

Till we're at a magic vaccinated Percentage that does nothing?  

 

Herd immunity is a term that has been eliminated from the conversation.  Is there anyone left that still believes a 100% level of vaccination will stop the virus?  That might work if the vaccine was durable and the virus was stable but neither of those things is true.  It wears off over time and leave the "vaccinated" no better off than the un-vaccinated.  

It appears a more complex prevention/treatment/vaccination response is required.  I'll leave it to the experts to figure that out but their singular obsession with vaccination of everyone for perpetuity looks like a fail.  It time to a) admit to the limits of medical science, 2) get a better plan. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

In England they will likely change the definition of "vaccinated" to mean three shots by Christmas. It is amazing how many debunked and conspiracy theories are true less than a year after they were "crazy".

[Sundancer]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

We are not here to debate the risks vs rewards of vaccination.  It's the need to mandate it or lose your livelihood.   But you knew that.  

Huh?

 

This thread has many times debated the effectiveness of vaccines. 
 

No need to be a douche. 
 

BTW, get vaccinated and boosted. 

57 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

In England they will likely change the definition of "vaccinated" to mean three shots by Christmas. It is amazing how many debunked and conspiracy theories are true less than a year after they were "crazy".

How is it a conspiracy that boosting helps waning immunity?

 

New data leads to new conclusions. 
 

But the key here is to base the conclusions on data. 

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Herd immunity is a term that has been eliminated from the conversation.  Is there anyone left that still believes a 100% level of vaccination will stop the virus?  That might work if the vaccine was durable and the virus was stable but neither of those things is true.  It wears off over time and leave the "vaccinated" no better off than the un-vaccinated.  

It appears a more complex prevention/treatment/vaccination response is required.  I'll leave it to the experts to figure that out but their singular obsession with vaccination of everyone for perpetuity looks like a fail.  It time to a) admit to the limits of medical science, 2) get a better plan. 

 

 

 

 

 

The virus is mutating slowly. Vaccines absolutely can get way out ahead of this with higher uptake. 

[Chef Jim]

15 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Huh?

 

This thread has many times debated the effectiveness of vaccines. 
 

No need to be a douche. 
 

BTW, get vaccinated and boosted. 

 

 

So being against a mandating a vaccine makes me a douche.  

 

If you like we can also debate the effectiveness of birth control.   How many lives have been ruined by unwanted pregnancies?  How messed up is the world due to overpopulation.  Soooo, shall we mandate birth control?  

 

Why do you concern yourself so much with my vaccination status.  Do you even know my vaccination status?  

[Orlando Tim]

24 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

How is it a conspiracy that boosting helps waning immunity?

 

Hey remember when some nut job on here went ballistic calling everyone stupid for talking about the vaccine waning? 

[Sundancer]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Hey remember when some nut job on here went ballistic calling everyone stupid for talking about the vaccine waning? 

Hey remember when there was no waning data? Because when I remember booster discussions in August, it was around waning Tiger data for older and at risk people only. And that’s the only group it made sense to boost because it gave a nice bump. Now we know the boosters give a fantastic bump to everyone. 
 

The best use of vaccine would of course to get everyone vaccinated. 
 

i remember a guy saying the vaccine didn’t work for most people past 6 months. Then he said he was wrong. 

 

40 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

So being against a mandating a vaccine makes me a douche.  

 

If you like we can also debate the effectiveness of birth control.   How many lives have been ruined by unwanted pregnancies?  How messed up is the world due to overpopulation.  Soooo, shall we mandate birth control?  

 

Why do you concern yourself so much with my vaccination status.  Do you even know my vaccination status?  

Link me to my pro mandate post. 
 

You posted something douchey. Your position on mandates has nothing to do with it. 
 

Get vaccinated and boosted. 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Sundancer

[Chef Jim]

14 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

 

Link me to my pro mandate post. 
 

You posted something douchey. Your position on mandates has nothing to do with it. 
 

Get vaccinated and boosted. 

 

You have over 300 posts in a thread about mandating vaccines and a i think it's safe to say a vast majority of them are talking about the value of vaccines.  Sorry I put two and two together and came up with you pushing mandates.  

 

I posted something douchey?  Sorry......I didn't mean to hurt you fragile feelings.  

 

Why do you care about my vaccination status? 

[Sundancer]

22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You have over 300 posts in a thread about mandating vaccines and a i think it's safe to say a vast majority of them are talking about the value of vaccines.  Sorry I put two and two together and came up with you pushing mandates.  

 

Is this your way of saying that you made a mistake or that you lied? 

 

22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I posted something douchey?  Sorry......I didn't mean to hurt you fragile feelings.  

 

Why do you care about my vaccination status? 

 

Get vaccinated and/or boosted. 

[Big Blitz]

An Open Letter to the Parents Who Are Waiting to Vaccinate Their Kids

 

 

Getting your shot is an incredible feeling. One of our kids, a 6-year-old, got his first dose last week. "I'm excited to be protected from COVID," he told the nurse in his sweet, brave voice. "It's the best thing I've ever done," he told his father later that day. Another one of our children told his mother that the day he got his shot was "the second most important day of my life, after the day I was born." 

 

So, what are you waiting for? Make your appointment today. Let's end this thing together.

 

Sincerely,

 

The editors of BDG's Parenting Portfolio,Scary Mommy, Romper, Fatherly, and The Dad

 

https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/letter-parents-waiting-vaccinate-kids/

 

 

 

 

 

This is the low point of Western Civilization 

 

[Chef Jim]

43 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Is this your way of saying that you made a mistake or that you lied? 

 

 

Get vaccinated and/or boosted. 

 

That's my way of saying I had a very accurate assumption of what your motive was here.  

 

You still have not answered my question as to why you give two ***** about my vaccination status. 

[Irv]

Demented Biden continues to botch the pandemic.  I got my second Pfizer shot on 4/14/21.  Seven months ago.  Demented Biden guidance is that you should get a booster six months after your second shot.  Unfortunately, I am 56 years old and the booster is not available to me at my age. Only sixty-five or older.   What a Mess.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Irv

[Sundancer]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

That's my way of saying I had a very accurate assumption of what your motive was here.  
 

 

Nope. 
 

Provide the link to me advocating vaccine mandates. 
 

Or admit you are either wrong or a liar. Seems like you incline towards liar. 

 

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You still have not answered my question as to why you give two ***** about my vaccination status. 

Get vaccinated and boosted. 

7 minutes ago, Irv said:

Demented Biden continues to botch the pandemic.  I got my second Pfizer shot on 4/14/21.  Seven months ago.  Demented Biden guidance is that you should get a booster six months after your second shot.  Unfortunately, I am 56 years old and the booster is not available to me at my age. Only sixt-five or older.   What a Mess.

Give me a break. You can go to CVS and get a booster. Biden ain’t stopping you and as of next week, you don’t even have to click boxes to get the booster at CVS. 

[Chef Jim]

12 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Nope. 
 

Provide the link to me advocating vaccine mandates. 
 

Or admit you are either wrong or a liar. Seems like you incline towards liar. 

 

Get vaccinated and boosted. 

 

 

Your inclination is very wrong.  But go ahead with your assumptions.

 

Add that to your assumption of my vaccination status.  

 

Why do you keep begging me to get vaxxed?  Maybe if there was a mandate you'd stop with your concern for my health.  

[The Frankish Reich]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Herd immunity is a term that has been eliminated from the conversation.  Is there anyone left that still believes a 100% level of vaccination will stop the virus?  That might work if the vaccine was durable and the virus was stable but neither of those things is true.  It wears off over time and leave the "vaccinated" no better off than the un-vaccinated.  

It appears a more complex prevention/treatment/vaccination response is required.  I'll leave it to the experts to figure that out but their singular obsession with vaccination of everyone for perpetuity looks like a fail.  It time to a) admit to the limits of medical science, 2) get a better plan. 

So we are left with this brilliant argument:

 

- COVID vaccines work, but they're not "durable" and the virus mutates. (Yet somehow we just know that the non-durable vaccine will have all sorts of durable side effects that will weirdly emerge after a year, or two, or three, or more)

- this means you will probably need to get a booster after some period of time (6 months is the current ballpark number)

- vaccines will probably not completely eradicate COVID-19 because it mutates, so why even bother?

 

This bears a striking resemblance to Keynes's famous quote (about whether continuing fiscal stimulus is sustainable "in the long run"): "In the long run we'll all be dead."

 

Yep, it's not perfect! It doesn't last forever!! Selfish COVID may still find a way to mutate and survive!!! Well, I'm convinced. We should just give up. Since when was "just give up" an American value?

 

Transport yourself back to March 2020. If someone told you "I'm working on a vaccine that in very preliminary trials shows 90-95% effectiveness at preventing severe disease or death provided you take it every 6 months." Who wouldn't have been satisfied with that? Who wouldn't be today? This is still astoundingly good news, but some people just have a desire to be negative about everything.

Edited November 18, 2021 by The Frankish Reich

[Chef Jim]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

So we are left with this brilliant argument:

 

- COVID vaccines work, but they're not "durable" and the virus mutates. (Yet somehow we just know that the non-durable vaccine will have all sorts of durable side effects that will weirdly emerge after a year, or two, or three, or more)

- this means you will probably need to get a booster after some period of time (6 months is the current ballpark number)

- vaccines will probably not completely eradicate COVID-19 because it mutates, so why even bother?

 

This bears a striking resemblance to Keynes's famous quote (about whether continuing fiscal stimulus is sustainable "in the long run"): "In the long run we'll all be dead."

 

Yep, it's not perfect! It doesn't last forever!! Selfish COVID may still find a way to mutate and survive!!! Well, I'm convinced. We should just give up. Since when was "just give up" an American value?

 

Transport yourself back to March 2020. If someone told you "I'm working on a vaccine that in very preliminary trials shows 90-95% effectiveness at preventing severe disease or death provided you take it every 6 months." Who wouldn't have been satisfied with that? Who wouldn't be today? This is still astoundingly good news, but some people just have a desire to be negative about everything.

 

So those are our options?  Mandate a vaccine or give up?   Good lord.  

Edited November 18, 2021 by Chef Jim

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

57 minutes ago, Irv said:

Demented Biden continues to botch the pandemic.  I got my second Pfizer shot on 4/14/21.  Seven months ago.  Demented Biden guidance is that you should get a booster six months after your second shot.  Unfortunately, I am 56 years old and the booster is not available to me at my age. Only sixt-five or older.   What a Mess.

I read or heard somewhere recently that the CDC suggests the J&J booster 60 days after the initial dose. 
 

Crazy. 

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

So we are left with this brilliant argument:

 

- COVID vaccines work, but they're not "durable" and the virus mutates. (Yet somehow we just know that the non-durable vaccine will have all sorts of durable side effects that will weirdly emerge after a year, or two, or three, or more)

- this means you will probably need to get a booster after some period of time (6 months is the current ballpark number)

- vaccines will probably not completely eradicate COVID-19 because it mutates, so why even bother?

 

This bears a striking resemblance to Keynes's famous quote (about whether continuing fiscal stimulus is sustainable "in the long run"): "In the long run we'll all be dead."

 

Yep, it's not perfect! It doesn't last forever!! Selfish COVID may still find a way to mutate and survive!!! Well, I'm convinced. We should just give up. Since when was "just give up" an American value?

 

Transport yourself back to March 2020. If someone told you "I'm working on a vaccine that in very preliminary trials shows 90-95% effectiveness at preventing severe disease or death provided you take it every 6 months." Who wouldn't have been satisfied with that? Who wouldn't be today? This is still astoundingly good news, but some people just have a desire to be negative about everything.

Or how about we discuss the fact that for people under 18 there is literally a one in a 100,000 chance of dying and it is much less if they are healthy. Your reasoning that children should get a vaccine without any long term studies to protect other people is immoral, and I do not use that word lightly. Adults should be protecting children not the other way around.

[The Frankish Reich]

46 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I read or heard somewhere recently that the CDC suggests the J&J booster 60 days after the initial dose. 
 

Crazy. 

Because the initial J&J protocol was one vaccine only. If there’s something “crazy” about monitoring results and making necessary adjustments, I’m just not seeing it. 

[The Frankish Reich]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Or how about we discuss the fact that for people under 18 there is literally a one in a 100,000 chance of dying and it is much less if they are healthy. Your reasoning that children should get a vaccine without any long term studies to protect other people is immoral, and I do not use that word lightly. Adults should be protecting children not the other way around.

Nice dodge. You could defend your illogic (“but it doesn’t work perfectly, so why require it”), but instead veer to the classic “it’s about the children.” OK, so how about a mandate for all 15

and over? 18 and over?

[billsfan1959]

13 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Because the initial J&J protocol was one vaccine only. If there’s something “crazy” about monitoring results and making necessary adjustments, I’m just not seeing it. 

And how long does the booster last? 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

And how long does the booster last? 

I’m sorry, but this has to be the stupidest anti-vaxx argument yet. And I’m seeing it from all of you. So what if it lasts 4, 5, 6 months? They seem perfectly capable of keeping pace with production. I imagine anti-Vaxxers take their ivermectin and vitamins every day, or every week,

or whatever. They probably pop viagra every time their wieners don’t spring into action. They probably take finasteride every day to keep those beautiful locks on their heads. The women amongst that group probably take contraceptives every day, get Botox injections every month or two. Why on earth would it matter that you need to get a booster a couple times a year?

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I’m sorry, but this has to be the stupidest anti-vaxx argument yet. And I’m seeing it from all of you. So what if it lasts 4, 5, 6 months? They seem perfectly capable of keeping pace with production. I imagine anti-Vaxxers take their ivermectin and vitamins every day, or every week,

or whatever. They probably pop viagra every time their wieners don’t spring into action. They probably take finasteride every day to keep those beautiful locks on their heads. The women amongst that group probably take contraceptives every day, get Botox injections every month or two. Why on earth would it matter that you need to get a booster a couple times a year?

 

Stop being an ass. I am not an anti-vaxxer and it wasn't an argument at all. It was a legitimate question to which I didn't know the answer. So, I asked. And now I know that you don't know the answer either. Maybe you should town down your arrogance and know a little bit more about the topic on which you choose to go on a crusade. 

[Precision]

Come on guys, enough with all the hate.  Look at these charts, look at how epic they are!  We need to mandate more vaccines, jab the kids, stab the cats and dogs.  Dump some of that juice into the goldfish bowls.  Set up another round for every American, it's all free so what the heck!  We'll run up the national debt buying vaccines and then let the little people pay for it once we've made enough.  The best part is the end when they cry about rich people having too much money! 

Ha ha ha ha

 

 

[B-Man]

20 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Why on earth would it matter that you need to get a booster a couple times a year?

 

We certainly are not sure of the possible ramifications of that.  You aren't supposed to get more than one vaccination a year with other types.

 

We are in uncharted waters here, and (unlike you) I have no problems with people questioning getting a new shot.

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2021 by B-Man

[JaCrispy]

56 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

We certainly are not sure of the possible ramifications of that.  You aren't supposed to get more than one vaccination a year with other types.

 

We are in uncharted waters here, and (unlike you) I have no problems with people questioning getting a new shot.

 

 

 

Meh...unintended consequences are so overrated, B-Man...😉🤣🤣

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Why on earth would it matter that you need to get a booster a couple times a year?

Because I don’t trust big Pharma and their motivations. 

[Big Blitz]

This is purely political "we can't admit how grossly incorrect we were and how ridiculous this all looks" theater by Democrats who as usual, double down on the stupid.   

 

 

The NFL.  Microcosm of society.  Goodell and the NFLPA head who clearly had 10% approval of his players on board with these protocols need to appear on live TV with a copy of them, and set them on fire.  

 

 

 

 

As I've asked 7,000,000,000 times.....how is this dynamic any different in 2022, 2023, 2024, and on and on.

 

Crickets.  Silence.  January 6th.  

[Big Blitz]

Permanent protocols.

 

Permanent societal upheaval  - social distancing and masks - Vaccination "status" doesn't matter.  

 

Vaccine passports - still follow protocols above 

 

 

 

These things do not end find one liberal soaking this crap up to tell you otherwise, and the how and why.  

 

They can't.  And they won't.  

 

Torches and pitchforks and actual insurrection is how this ends - which will then give our new Woke Military the excuse to detain the enemies of China I mean the U.S.

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Nice dodge. You could defend your illogic (“but it doesn’t work perfectly, so why require it”), but instead veer to the classic “it’s about the children.” OK, so how about a mandate for all 15

and over? 18 and over?

So at what age does the other conditions not outrank age? 80? 90? The people who need the vaccine I hope get it but if you try telling me a healthy 19 year old needs to get the vaccine to protect you then you are immoral 

47 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Because I don’t trust big Pharma and their motivations. 

I definitely trust there motive- money. I have no issue with big pharma, I have an issue with immoral people telling me I have to agree with big pharma. 

[OrangeBills]

If they tested 100% of people for "Flu" who died in a hospital, the number of annual deaths "From or With Flu" would be multiples of the numbers we get annually.

 

700k people have died in 2 years "from or with" Covid, so 350k vs a typical Flu season of 50-80k...so multiples (if I were correct) would put that right in the wheelhouse.  

 

Death by virus...no, mitigation factors probably had no effect on the ultimate numbers.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Because the initial J&J protocol was one vaccine only. If there’s something “crazy” about monitoring results and making necessary adjustments, I’m just not seeing it. 

The initial call on J&J effectiveness was 8 months, and there was a pause on the J&J vax as they investigated concerns about dangerous side effects.  It was touted as a one and done shot v the Pfizer twofer, with the question of booster shots tbd.   Missing by 6 months on an 8 month window seems…crazy.   To at least, reason to question what else they missed on. 

[JaCrispy]

Two words...

 

***DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION***

 

This is the whole reason for everything happening now...tearing down the global monetary system in favor of Digital currency, Authoritarianism, post-modernist ideology- the new one-world religion, rioting paid for by the establishment to foment chaos and anarchy...

 

Anyone who goes against these things will have their digital ID (or passport) revoked...they will be enemies of the state and become prisoners without needing to be behind bars...they will have access to nothing...the French have until December 15 to get their booster shots or their “green pass” is deactivated...

 

Remember always wondering why a computer guy named a Bill Gates was so heavily involved in medical vaccines? Kinda strange, right? Well, in a 2018 interview he claimed that immunizations were going to be the pathway to global

DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION...

 

We have been set up, lied to, given the illusion that we have freedom and choice...All the while, we’ve just been chasing the dangling carrot and running in circles on the mouse wheel...We’ve been convinced to hate each other so much, we no longer see truth or even care if it exists...
 

We argue about race, gender, and tomahawk chops...but it’s all a distraction from the main attraction going on behind the scenes...

 

Just remember, the pharmaceutical companies and global elites always knew they wanted 100% global vaccination, even though they knew it would never end the virus...but that was never the goal, even though we were fed that lie...it was always DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION and authoritarian global control...

 

Best of luck everyone...🤣🤣🤣😉

 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by JaCrispy

[The Frankish Reich]

58 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Two words...

 

***DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION***

 

This is the whole reason for everything happening now...tearing down the global monetary system in favor of Digital currency, Authoritarianism, post-modernist ideology- the new one-world religion, rioting paid for by the establishment to foment chaos and anarchy...

 

Anyone who goes against these things will have their digital ID (or passport) revoked...they will be enemies of the state and become prisoners without needing to be behind bars...they will have access to nothing...the French have until December 15 to get their booster shots or their “green pass” is deactivated...

 

Remember always wondering why a computer guy named a Bill Gates was so heavily involved in medical vaccines? Kinda strange, right? Well, in a 2018 interview he claimed that immunizations were going to be the pathway to global

DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION...

 

We have been set up, lied to, given the illusion that we have freedom and choice...All the while, we’ve just been chasing the dangling carrot and running in circles on the mouse wheel...We’ve been convinced to hate each other so much, we no longer see truth or even care if it exists...
 

We argue about race, gender, and tomahawk chops...but it’s all a distraction from the main attraction going on behind the scenes...

 

Just remember, the pharmaceutical companies and global elites always knew they wanted 100% global vaccination, even though they knew it would never end the virus...but that was never the goal, even though we were fed that lie...it was always DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION and authoritarian global control...

 

Best of luck everyone...🤣🤣🤣😉

 

 

 

WTF? Would you mind explaining this ALL CAPS DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION you're all worked up about?

[JaCrispy]

8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

WTF? Would you mind explaining this ALL CAPS DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION you're all worked up about?

Here’s a little taste to get you started...the rest of the research is up to you...👍

 

 

[Irv]

Demented Biden drooling in the corner doing absolutely nothing about the consistently shortening  chronological effectiveness of the vaccines.  His communist buddies and their collective “America Last” agenda are making this pandemic never-ending.  What a mess.

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Irv

[Sundancer]

14 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Your inclination is very wrong.  But go ahead with your assumptions.

 

So you're admitting you're wrong then, that's cool. 

 

14 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Add that to your assumption of my vaccination status.  

 

Why do you keep begging me to get vaxxed?  Maybe if there was a mandate you'd stop with your concern for my health.  

 

Get vaccinated, get boosted. 

9 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Here’s a little taste to get you started...the rest of the research is up to you...👍

 

 

 

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

10 hours ago, OrangeBills said:

If they tested 100% of people for "Flu" who died in a hospital, the number of annual deaths "From or With Flu" would be multiples of the numbers we get annually.

 

700k people have died in 2 years "from or with" Covid, so 350k vs a typical Flu season of 50-80k...so multiples (if I were correct) would put that right in the wheelhouse.  

 

Death by virus...no, mitigation factors probably had no effect on the ultimate numbers.

 

What are you talking about? Overall death rates have spiked up. Something caused and continues to cause that. Something like, well, Covid.