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Just now, Roundybout said:

https://www.vox.com/policy/2023/3/24/23649277/dont-say-period-florida-republicans-restricting-sex-education
 

Are you a fourth grade girl curious about your looming first period? Too bad! Talking about it is soon to be illegal under DeSantis’ administration. Can’t sexualize children, you know. 

 

Yeah, too bad school is the only place to do it...

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10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, too bad school is the only place to do it...


Maybe not everyone is lucky enough to live in a safe and supportive environment. Maybe it would be helpful for some people to have access to resources outside the home that can help them understand things.

 

Or maybe we should just have the government tell us what to think. 

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11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, too bad school is the only place to do it...


Why shouldn’t they? Aren’t schools there to educate? 
 

Republicans are so pathetic and shallow.

3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


Maybe not everyone is lucky enough to live in a safe and supportive environment. Maybe it would be helpful for some people to have access to resources outside the home that can help them understand things.

 

Or maybe we should just have the government tell us what to think. 


Party of small government, by the way. 

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7 minutes ago, Roundybout said:


Why shouldn’t they? Aren’t schools there to educate? 
 

Republicans are so pathetic and shallow.


Party of small government, by the way. 

The culture wars are just a diversion because they have no real policy solutions to any of the big problems:  Inflation, climate change, social security, fentanyl, medicare, health care etc.  It's just a smoke screen.  the real culture war is simple:  educated vs uneducated or inadequately educated.

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18 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

The culture wars are just a diversion because they have no real policy solutions to any of the big problems:  Inflation, climate change, social security, fentanyl, medicare, health care etc.  It's just a smoke screen.  the real culture war is simple:  educated vs uneducated or inadequately educated.


Yeah, I realized a long time ago that “woke” was just the new “politically correct,” which was the new “satanic panic,” which was the new “red scare,” which are all just meaningless buzzwords for “stuff we don’t like and you need to be afraid of.”

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20 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

The culture wars are just a diversion because they have no real policy solutions to any of the big problems:  Inflation, climate change, social security, fentanyl, medicare, health care etc.  It's just a smoke screen.  the real culture war is simple:  educated vs uneducated or inadequately educated.

 

To whom are you referring?  I hope you're not just saying it's the Repubs.  The Dems have no answers either.

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3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:


Yeah, I realized a long time ago that “woke” was just the new “politically correct,” which was the new “satanic panic,” which was the new “red scare,” which are all just meaningless buzzwords for “stuff we don’t like and you need to be afraid of.”

they all equal "the others" who they despise cuz they need someone to blame.  implicit in the educated vs uneducated are valued skills vs unvalued or poorly valued skills in the employment marketplace.

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2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:


So there are these things, they are called librarians. And what they do is use their specialized training to ensure that there are a variety of books available. As far as I am aware, there hasn’t been a case of a school librarian putting Playboys in the school library. If they did, they would likely be fired. 
 

Schools don't have libraries they have media centers, we don't have librarians, we have specialists and the media center books are generally reference books or current magazines, the books for entertainment are usually in teachers rooms now, at least in Florida. But I have a real question, why would you fire someone for a playboy if not for a book that tells a child how to meet people online?

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42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

To whom are you referring?  I hope you're not just saying it's the Repubs.  The Dems have no answers either.

Shh. They are busy with an echo chamber.  It's the only place that reality exist.  

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

To whom are you referring?  I hope you're not just saying it's the Repubs.  The Dems have no answers either.

Attempting to insult anyone not a Dem.  

 

It's kinda funny 

 

The gop establishment is trash. I think most agree. Still doesn't equate to people supporting this dumpster fire. 

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45 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Schools don't have libraries they have media centers, we don't have librarians, we have specialists and the media center books are generally reference books or current magazines, the books for entertainment are usually in teachers rooms now, at least in Florida. But I have a real question, why would you fire someone for a playboy if not for a book that tells a child how to meet people online?


I don’t understand the reference. A book about meeting people online? And it’s the same as porn?

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2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Serious question: have those people defending the firing of the principal ever

taken their kids to a museum? Apparently not. Because they gonna see a little artistic nudity there 


Chris Rufo hasn’t gotten that far. He has only distributed talking points on anti CRT and LGTBQ.

 

The cult won’t be able to compute your query.

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3 minutes ago, BillStime said:


Chris Rufo hasn’t gotten that far. He has only distributed talking points on anti CRT and LGTBQ.

 

The cult won’t be able to compute your query.

I suppose you’re right. 
I mean, “Classical Curriculum” means you’re gonna deal with a lot of controversial subject matter that doesn’t  fit “Panhandle of Florida Evangelical Christian Republican.”

- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle: I just learned they weren’t even Christians!

- Old Testament: what’s all that grooming talk about men lying with men?

- Renaissance: g0ddam pr0n, that’s what that is!

- American Revolution: how dare they say Jefferson cut out every passage of the New Testament in which Jesus was

described as divine or as performing miracles! (That’s exactly what he did)

 

I’m a bit rusty on this classical education stuff, but I’m glad I had one (mostly in Catholic schools too), and I’m not afraid of ideas. 

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1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I suppose you’re right. 
I mean, “Classical Curriculum” means you’re gonna deal with a lot of controversial subject matter that doesn’t  fit “Panhandle of Florida Evangelical Christian Republican.”

- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle: I just learned they weren’t even Christians!

- Old Testament: what’s all that grooming talk about men lying with men?

- Renaissance: g0ddam pr0n, that’s what that is!

- American Revolution: how dare they say Jefferson cut out every passage of the New Testament in which Jesus was

described as divine or as performing miracles! (That’s exactly what he did)

 

I’m a bit rusty on this classical education stuff, but I’m glad I had one (mostly in Catholic schools too), and I’m not afraid of ideas. 


Well the problem is that they can’t allow critical thinking, only indoctrination.

 

If they allowed critical thinking, then nobody would support the GOP anymore. 

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1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

they all equal "the others" who they despise cuz they need someone to blame.  implicit in the educated vs uneducated are valued skills vs unvalued or poorly valued skills in the employment marketplace.

Since you wear your bias on you sleeve…

 

wrong again.
 

Marketplace value correlates to income generation, thus please go investigate the vote distribution by party as you ascend the income bracket and observe the very clear trend. 
 

Both parties are garbage, but the well educated (that is those that actually earned a marketable degree with inherent income generating value as opposed to some advanced basket weaving arts certification) overwhelmingly trend towards the party they expect will steal less of their money. 
 

the bums with sociology BAs stocking Best Buy’s … yeah they are your educated folks. 
 

This is an indisputable fact. 

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2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I suppose you’re right. 
I mean, “Classical Curriculum” means you’re gonna deal with a lot of controversial subject matter that doesn’t  fit “Panhandle of Florida Evangelical Christian Republican.”

- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle: I just learned they weren’t even Christians!

- Old Testament: what’s all that grooming talk about men lying with men?

- Renaissance: g0ddam pr0n, that’s what that is!

- American Revolution: how dare they say Jefferson cut out every passage of the New Testament in which Jesus was

described as divine or as performing miracles! (That’s exactly what he did)

 

I’m a bit rusty on this classical education stuff, but I’m glad I had one (mostly in Catholic schools too), and I’m not afraid of ideas. 

There's no serious discussion with the conservatives here.  It's just defend everything the right spews and attack anything from the left no matter how nonsensical.   

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5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I suppose you’re right. 
I mean, “Classical Curriculum” means you’re gonna deal with a lot of controversial subject matter that doesn’t  fit “Panhandle of Florida Evangelical Christian Republican.”

- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle: I just learned they weren’t even Christians!

- Old Testament: what’s all that grooming talk about men lying with men?

- Renaissance: g0ddam pr0n, that’s what that is!

- American Revolution: how dare they say Jefferson cut out every passage of the New Testament in which Jesus was

described as divine or as performing miracles! (That’s exactly what he did)

 

I’m a bit rusty on this classical education stuff, but I’m glad I had one (mostly in Catholic schools too), and I’m not afraid of ideas. 


I like ideas. Why must 8 year olds know about sexuality from their public schools? Mind is wide open… help this societal need be understood 

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2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This is an indisputable fact.

It’s not that simple.
Let’s say I want to make some educated guesses about random people. This is demography, not stereotyping. And of course every group includes exceptions to the rule:

- you are white without a college degree: you probably voted for Trump

- you are white with a college degree: you probably voted for Biden

- you are black of any educational bracket: you probably voted for Biden

- you are white and live in an exurban or rural/small town area: you very very likely voted for Trump 

- you have a professional degree: you very very likely voted for Biden 

- you attend an evangelical Christian church: you very very likely voted for Trump. 
- you are Hispanic of Mexican ancestry: you probably voted for Biden.  Of Cuban ancestry: you probably voted for Trump

 

The old days of “the wealthy vote Republican, the poor vote Democrat” are over. 

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9 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


Well the problem is that they can’t allow critical thinking, only indoctrination.

 

If they allowed critical thinking, then nobody would support the GOP anymore. 

 

5 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

There's no serious discussion with the conservatives here.  It's just defend everything the right spews and attack anything from the left no matter how nonsensical.   


when is the last time either of you tried to understand where anyone with different opinions is coming from. 
 

Desantis war on LGBTQ is literally as I’ve read it barring sexually charged content in public elementary school classrooms. So sure it’s a populist move, but it’s it a hate crime? Is there some pragmatism to allowing people who wish the ability to shield their kids from that until older? 

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3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


I like ideas. Why must 8 year olds know about sexuality from their public schools? Mind is wide open… help this societal need be understood 

Straw man. 
How about the real world: class trip of 6th graders to NYC. Trip to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Do you send and advance team to check out which galleries include depictions of naked bodies and rush the kids past them without allowing them to peek in? 
Because that’s what this moronic school is doing. 

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2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Straw man. 
How about the real world: class trip of 6th graders to NYC. Trip to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Do you send and advance team to check out which galleries include depictions of naked bodies and rush the kids past them without allowing them to peek in? 
Because that’s what this moronic school is doing. 

Well, they follow the Hillsdale model.  That says it all.  Ever get one of their ridiculous, biased "surveys" on Facebook?

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2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

It’s not that simple.
Let’s say I want to make some educated guesses about random people. This is demography, not stereotyping. And of course every group includes exceptions to the rule:

- you are white without a college degree: you probably voted for Trump

- you are white with a college degree: you probably voted for Biden

- you are black of any educational bracket: you probably voted for Biden

- you are white and live in an exurban or rural/small town area: you very very likely voted for Trump 

- you have a professional degree: you very very likely voted for Biden 

- you attend an evangelical Christian church: you very very likely voted for Trump. 
- you are Hispanic of Mexican ancestry: you probably voted for Biden.  Of Cuban ancestry: you probably voted for Trump

 

The old days of “the wealthy vote Republican, the poor vote Democrat” are over. 


Trump is a wrench in the whole thing true, but over 200k HHI are 60/40 republican.  It’s just the way it is. Folks need to stop pretending college educated means something.

 

I’ve met phds who are idiots and dropouts who are geniuses. 
 

I work in a Tech industry with mostly masters and doctorates in various high end engineering and business degrees … they mostly held their nose and voted for trump over Hilary at least. Nobody really likes to admit what they did for the last election 

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9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 


when is the last time either of you tried to understand where anyone with different opinions is coming from. 
 

Desantis war on LGBTQ is literally as I’ve read it barring sexually charged content in public elementary school classrooms. So sure it’s a populist move, but it’s it a hate crime? Is there some pragmatism to allowing people who wish the ability to shield their kids from that until older? 


DeSantis war on LGBTQ is literally just a craven political ploy and has absolutely nothing to do with protecting kids. 
 

For some reason, “conservatives” seem to support government censorship now.
 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with parents talking to their kids about what they should and shouldn’t read. And there’s nothing wrong with getting involved in your school system to ensure the curriculum is appropriate. 
 

But that’s not what is happening here. This is the state censoring anything that is remotely related to LGBT or doesn’t fit the narrative of the powers in charge. Conservatives should abhor this. The fact that they embrace it just demonstrates that traditional American conservatism is dead. 

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4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Straw man. 
How about the real world: class trip of 6th graders to NYC. Trip to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Do you send and advance team to check out which galleries include depictions of naked bodies and rush the kids past them without allowing them to peek in? 
Because that’s what this moronic school is doing. 


I don’t care about that one or sixth graders. my reference is to the over sensationalism of don’t say gay… (which is political extrapolation to the nth degree) 

 

the one you cite is  clearly a different set of facts.  On its face it sound unreasonable. 

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1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:


DeSantis war on LGBTQ is literally just a craven political ploy and has absolutely nothing to do with protecting kids. 
 

For some reason, “conservatives” seem to support government censorship now.
 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with parents talking to their kids about what they should and shouldn’t read. And there’s nothing wrong with getting involved in your school system to ensure the curriculum is appropriate. 
 

But that’s not what is happening here. This is the state censoring anything that is remotely related to LGBT or doesn’t fit the narrative of the powers in charge. Conservatives should abhor this. The fact that they embrace just demonstrates that traditional American conservatism is dead. 


Hmm Chi I’m now guessing you to mid 20s? 
 

Conservatives have always been on the side of censorship… it’s only very recently the the liberals are actually out censoring conservatives.
 

it’s new.

 

I was squarely on the elon musk public square free press side of censorship myself, until (1) extreme liberals start pushing it beyond what is appropriate in even my view and (2) they censored vaccine  mandate challenges and unfavorable political stories particularly in msm and in one sided fashion.


 

We all know what fox is, but the polar opposites seem a little less transparent about their bias, no? 

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3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


Hmm Chi I’m now guessing you to mid 20s? 
 

Conservatives have always been on the side of censorship… it’s only very recently the the liberals are actually out censoring conservatives.
 

it’s new.

 

I was squarely on the elon musk public square free press side of censorship myself, until (1) extreme liberals start pushing it beyond what is appropriate in even my view and (2) they censored vaccine  mandate challenges and unfavorable political stories particularly in msm and in one sided fashion.


 

We all know what fox is, but the polar opposites seem a little less transparent about their bias, no? 


I’m older than that. And I’m old enough to see that Elon doesn’t understand free speech.

 

And none of that changes the fact that DeSantis is not trying to protect kids from sexual content. He’s scaremongering for political gain and the gullible are buying it hook, line, and sinker. 
 

Unless, of course, you think a book about two penguins adopting a baby penguin is sexual somehow.

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30 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


I’m older than that. And I’m old enough to see that Elon doesn’t understand free speech.

 

And none of that changes the fact that DeSantis is not trying to protect kids from sexual content. He’s scaremongering for political gain and the gullible are buying it hook, line, and sinker. 
 

Unless, of course, you think a book about two penguins adopting a baby penguin is sexual somehow.

 

Elon understands a whole hell of a lot more than people credit him for. 10 years ago he would have been considered super liberal doing and living exactly how he does today. 

 

Of course desantis is moving politically but he won in a landslide and perhaps these move reflects his base’s wants-  To leave the morality of sexuality out of the public classroom.  
 

If someone has very traditional values and is morally opposed to certain sexuality, is it not their right as parents to maintain that ideology with their children? When those kids become adults they can choose their own path, but parents Should be over ridden by some elementary Ed teacher with their own agenda? 
 

 

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1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Elon understands a whole hell of a lot more than people credit him for. 10 years ago he would have been considered super liberal doing and living exactly how he does today. 

 

Of course desantis is moving politically but he won in a landslide and perhaps these move reflects his base’s wants-  To leave the morality of sexuality out of the public classroom.  
 

If someone has very traditional values and is morally opposed to certain sexuality, is it not their right as parents to maintain that ideology with their children? When those kids become adults they can choose their own path, but parents Should be over ridden by some elementary Ed teacher with their own agenda? 
 

 


Then homeschool your kids and watch as they’re completely unadjusted to society when it’s time to fly the nest. 

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5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Elon understands a whole hell of a lot more than people credit him for. 10 years ago he would have been considered super liberal doing and living exactly how he does today. 

 

Of course desantis is moving politically but he won in a landslide and perhaps these move reflects his base’s wants-  To leave the morality of sexuality out of the public classroom.  
 

If someone has very traditional values and is morally opposed to certain sexuality, is it not their right as parents to maintain that ideology with their children? When those kids become adults they can choose their own path, but parents Should be over ridden by some elementary Ed teacher with their own agenda? 
 

 


It is their right to teach their kids as they see fit. It is not their right to have the government tell me how to teach my kid.
 

And I will not cede that this is about sex at all. Unless you think about sex when you see two male penguins. But I guess that’s on you. 

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1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I work in a Tech industry with mostly masters and doctorates in various high end engineering and business degrees … they mostly held their nose and voted for trump over Hilary at least. Nobody really likes to admit what they did for the last election 

 

I do not think this type of anecdotal "evidence" is very helpful. I could counter that I am in a science department in a university in otherwise very conservative West Texas, and most of my fellow faculty members lean moderately Democratic.

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26 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

perhaps these move reflects his base’s wants-  To leave the morality of sexuality out of the public classroom.  
 

I think they do.  The Republican party, as you pointed out is binary or even 3D.  The core for trump and likely desantis is the non college white male and to a lesser extent, the non college white female.  These are the folks, that I refer to as MAGA's that still believe the election was stolen and that Jan 6 wasn't at least encouraged by trump.  To them, this is a rallying cry, sadly.

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20 minutes ago, Roundybout said:


 

 


Then homeschool your kids and watch as they’re completely unadjusted to society when it’s time to fly the nest. 


Fair, can this homeschooler opt out of funding  the school system then?? 

 

9 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


It is their right to teach their kids as they see fit. It is not their right to have the government tell me how to teach my kid.
 

And I will not cede that this is about sex at all. Unless you think about sex when you see two male penguins. But I guess that’s on you. 


they aren’t telling you what to do, just what the public school shouldn’t. Do you have kids? It’s a perspective changer. 
 

You won’t ‘cede’ to try to understand that other people have rights to have different opinions. And rather than try to understand and problem solve… castigate and demonize. 
 

show me the legislation referring to penguins-  Is that really enumerated in legislation? 

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20 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I think they do.  The Republican party, as you pointed out is binary or even 3D.  The core for trump and likely desantis is the non college white male and to a lesser extent, the non college white female.  These are the folks, that I refer to as MAGA's that still believe the election was stolen and that Jan 6 wasn't at least encouraged by trump.  To them, this is a rallying cry, sadly.


right to really draw crisp lines here 

 

the republicans are effectively the majority of the successful college educated, and majority of the less educated whites.

 

the democrats are effectively the majority of the unsuccessful college educated, and majority of the less educated non whites. 

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26 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Meatball stands zero chance of getting the nomination. I just like picking on him 


I thought he was a total lost cause too. But he might have more to him than I thought. Politics aside, his resume is notable. Not sure if it was due to connections and favors or if there is something real. 

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36 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I think they do.  The Republican party, as you pointed out is binary or even 3D.  The core for trump and likely desantis is the non college white male and to a lesser extent, the non college white female.  These are the folks, that I refer to as MAGA's that still believe the election was stolen and that Jan 6 wasn't at least encouraged by trump.  To them, this is a rallying cry, sadly.

You keep repeating the same ***** over and over are you stupid or something

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19 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


Fair, can this homeschooler opt out of funding  the school system then?? 

 


they aren’t telling you what to do, just what the public school shouldn’t. Do you have kids? It’s a perspective changer. 
 

You won’t ‘cede’ to try to understand that other people have rights to have different opinions. And rather than try to understand and problem solve… castigate and demonize. 
 

show me the legislation referring to penguins-  Is that really enumerated in legislation? 


No, a homeschooler can’t opt out of funding a public school. Schools are there for the public and you can feel free to utilize them. If you decide not to, that’s on you. 
 

You are repeatedly misconstruing my argument and I’m not sure if it’s intentional or what. My entire point is that people can have different views on how to raise their kids. But it’s not the government’s job to enforce one set of beliefs on all kids. 
 

My son’s bookshelf is very different from his cousin’s. And that is fine!  I don’t think the government should tell my brother what books are appropriate for his kid, and I don’t think it should tell me which are appropriate for mine. That’s our choices as parents. 
 


Florida school district bans book about real-life gay penguin relationship, citing Parental Rights law


Lake County Schools cites Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis law that prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity to kindergarten through 3rd graders


A Florida school district banned a book about a real-life same-sex penguin couple from classrooms and school libraries.

The award-winning 2005 children's book, "And Tango Makes Three," tells the story of a real-life same-sex penguin couple that creates a family together.

Lake County Schools located in Florida told Fox News Digital on Monday that the book violates Florida law on teaching about sexual orientation or gender identity to kindergarten and third-graders.

"We removed access to ‘And Tango Makes Three’ for our kindergarten through third-grade students in alignment with Florida HB 1557, which prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity for those grade levels," Sherri Owens, the Lake County Florida communications director told Fox News Digital.

The banning of the book stems from Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis' education legislation he signed into law last year. Florida House Bill 1557 "Parental Rights in Education," which was dubbed by critics as the "don't say gay" bill. The law bans teachers from giving classroom instruction on "sexual orientation" or "gender identity" in grades kindergarten through third grade.

"And Tango Makes Three" is one of several books that have been removed from schools after DeSantis and state Republicans passed legislation on restricting instruction on critical race theory and gender theory.

Public records obtained by another outlet through the Florida Freedom to Read Project revealed that two other books were banned, citing the Parental Rights in Education Act.”

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2 minutes ago, Precision said:

I guess I'm a poor uneducated republican, ha ha ha!

 

People who paint with a broad brush tend not to be very good painters.  People who make broad assumptions about demographics groups tend not to be very smart. 


Well actually people who understand the definition of the word demographics wouldn’t then say the other stuff here. It’s self incriminating 🤷‍♂️ 

 

PSA 

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