DeSantis For President in 2024?

[The Frankish Reich]

15 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

 

all that Super PAC money just wasted 

It'll be an interesting campaign post-mortem.

DeSantis decided that Trump was done. What losing candidate since Adlai Stevenson (Nixon? But there was a gap there) gets a second chance? Plus it ended about as badly as any living presidency in history. So why not run as Trump 2.0, a younger and less damaged version? That should rocket you to the top of the Republican Primary field, then you can tack to the center for the general. All well and good until Donald threw his hat back into the ring and we found out that yeah, there is a Cult of Trump and it is personal, not policy based.

So what to do? Well, there's that whole Rest of the Field polling somewhere between 2 and 10 percent. You could try to emerge as the leading anti-Trump candidate, then hope that Trump implodes (still could happen, but very unlikely). But he's been unwilling to do that. So you have a Trump sycophant running against the master himself. Who needs that? Turn out a solid 10 percent need or want that.

Toast.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Meatball reminds me of Jeb! Bush

 

His campaign was propped up by heavy money from the lobbyists but the people thought he was a stiff, stale, douche all along. That's DeSantis.

 

Jeb! no longer works in politics and that's where Meatball is headed, just another lawyer..

Ron is young, and obviously has political talent. His mistake (for someone as ambitious as he is) was to go for it this year rather than waiting (hoping) for Trump to lose again and finally be out of his way. That also forced him to concentrate on silliness like the anti-woke stuff instead of actual concrete policy accomplishments.

Young man in a hurry = damaged.

[BillStime]

DeSaster 

 

 

[BillStime]

The cult lies about everything 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

On 9/21/2023 at 6:21 PM, BillStime said:

DeSaster 

 

 

You seem to have a hard time with the meaning of words. These books are not banned, only an illiterate person would argue such, they are simply not available to young  children. Why is it important to you that my 14 year old students have access to pornography?

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

You seem to have a hard time with the meaning of words. These books are not banned, only an illiterate person would argue such, they are simply not available to young  children. Why is it important to you that my 14 year old students have access to pornography?

 

It's for low intelligence libs.  They eat that ***** up.

[Roundybout]

23 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

You seem to have a hard time with the meaning of words. These books are not banned, only an illiterate person would argue such, they are simply not available to young  children. Why is it important to you that my 14 year old students have access to pornography?

Do they have a phone? Congrats, they have access to pornography. 

[Orlando Tim]

11 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Do they have a phone? Congrats, they have access to pornography. 

 

8 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

yeah duh

 

floridians are dumb. And they are dolphin fans

Sometimes it is hard to take you guys seriously. A parent has to choose to give their children a phone, and there are phone filters and phones where kids can only contact sites and numbers that are pre-approved. Did you think that literally all teens have phones?

[BillsFanNC]

45 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

 

Sometimes it is hard to take you guys seriously. A parent has to choose to give their children a phone, and there are phone filters and phones where kids can only contact sites and numbers that are pre-approved. Did you think that literally all teens have phones?

 

Sometimes?

[The Frankish Reich]

4 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

Did you think that literally all teens have phones?

No, only 91 percent at age 14. 

There's 9 percent who have to rely on spanking it to library books.

https://childmind.org/article/when-should-you-get-your-kid-a-phone/

[wnyguy]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

No, only 91 percent at age 14. 

There's 9 percent who have to rely on spanking it to library books.

https://childmind.org/article/when-should-you-get-your-kid-a-phone/

Why have pornographic books available to children in a school library? Can you and/or hawk answer that simple question?

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Why have pornographic books

Depends on what you call "pornographic books," doesn't it?

[wnyguy]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

Depends on what you call "pornographic books," doesn't it?

Would you say books that contain explicit sexual content should be allowed in elementary and middle schools? Would you want your 4th grader coming home from school with one of these books in their backpack?

 

No one is banning these books, they can still be written, published and distributed, just not available in a school library/ You get that, right?

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Would you say books that contain explicit sexual content should be allowed in elementary and middle schools? Would you want your 4th grader coming home from school with one of these books in their backpack?

 

No one is banning these books, they can still be written, published and distributed, just not available in a school library/ You get that, right?

I've said it before here. Several times.

I believe it is a LOCAL issue to be decided by every LOCAL community. Not by Ron DeSantis. I have no problem with LOCAL school boards and library committees deciding what books are available in their libraries and what age/grade restrictions they place on circulation.

Miami Beach is not Sarasota is not Tallahassee.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

 

Sometimes it is hard to take you guys seriously. A parent has to choose to give their children a phone, and there are phone filters and phones where kids can only contact sites and numbers that are pre-approved. Did you think that literally all teens have phones?

It’s obvious just about every raving liby on here doesn’t have kids of their own. Take the silver lining that Darwin is doing good work here, now if we can only they’d stop telling other people what to do with their families. 

[wnyguy]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I've said it before here. Several times.

I believe it is a LOCAL issue to be decided by every LOCAL community. Not by Ron DeSantis. I have no problem with LOCAL school boards and library committees deciding what books are available in their libraries and what age/grade restrictions they place on circulation.

Miami Beach is not Sarasota is not Tallahassee.

Aaah I see, so then you would agree that schools should also get their finances from the communities they are in and not rely on state funds. Got ya.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I've said it before here. Several times.

I believe it is a LOCAL issue to be decided by every LOCAL community. Not by Ron DeSantis. I have no problem with LOCAL school boards and library committees deciding what books are available in their libraries and what age/grade restrictions they place on circulation.

Miami Beach is not Sarasota is not Tallahassee.

why is this even a topic? School libraries are tremendous wastes of resources in 2023.

where are the environmentalists touting how many trees we could save. 

 

Do a couple field trips to the public library and have a virtual library where parents can approve or reject check out requests.

 

We’re done here. 

 

[Pokebball]

12 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I've said it before here. Several times.

I believe it is a LOCAL issue to be decided by every LOCAL community. Not by Ron DeSantis. I have no problem with LOCAL school boards and library committees deciding what books are available in their libraries and what age/grade restrictions they place on circulation.

Miami Beach is not Sarasota is not Tallahassee.

Who determines the curriculum, and the learning metrics, and the standardized testing? In my state, it's the state. Does your state have a superintendent of public instruction? What's their job? You can't simply pull out of the equation one factor. Education is normally mandated in state constitutions, not local law. Local school boards are governed by state statutes and are normally audited by state auditors to determine compliance. 

 

How do you feel about the feds dictating men in women sports and men in women bathrooms?

[The Frankish Reich]

24 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Aaah I see, so then you would agree that schools should also get their finances from the communities they are in and not rely on state funds. Got ya.

I have no idea what this has to do with funding. If you like this kind of top-down stuff ("we give you the money, we dictate what you can do!") you are presumably all for federal DOE control too. Leave local communities to decide what's best for them.

16 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Who determines the curriculum, and the learning metrics, and the standardized testing? In my state, it's the state. Does your state have a superintendent of public instruction? What's their job? You can't simply pull out of the equation one factor. Education is normally mandated in state constitutions, not local law. Local school boards are governed by state statutes and are normally audited by state auditors to determine compliance. 

 

How do you feel about the feds dictating men in women sports and men in women bathrooms?

More irrelevance.

The standard curriculum is the standard curriculum, it is not what kids read when they check out books from a school library.

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

No, only 91 percent at age 14. 

There's 9 percent who have to rely on spanking it to library books.

https://childmind.org/article/when-should-you-get-your-kid-a-phone/

My daughter has a phone but it is only available to use when she is in the main portion of our house, so she knows while we don't generally listen in we could, and whatever she is doing online is tracked. The fact that you guys believe that because some parents suck that all kids should be allowed to access porn without a parents knowledge all for politics proves how disturbed you are 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, wnyguy said:

Would you say books that contain explicit sexual content should be allowed in elementary and middle schools? Would you want your 4th grader coming home from school with one of these books in their backpack?

 

No one is banning these books, they can still be written, published and distributed, just not available in a school library/ You get that, right?

 

Many do and are being disingenuous by calling it a "ban" because it plays well politically.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

My daughter has a phone but it is only available to use when she is in the main portion of our house, so she knows while we don't generally listen in we could, and whatever she is doing online is tracked. The fact that you guys believe that because some parents suck that all kids should be allowed to access porn without a parents knowledge all for politics proves how disturbed you are 

That’s admirable, and I hope it works. I’m just skeptical that we can keep the kids from being exposed to these things. And the books people decry, even if graphic, are far, far less damaging than the images almost all kids are exposed to online whether their parents “allow” it or not. 

[Orlando Tim]

9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That’s admirable, and I hope it works. I’m just skeptical that we can keep the kids from being exposed to these things. And the books people decry, even if graphic, are far, far less damaging than the images almost all kids are exposed to online whether their parents “allow” it or not. 

The fact that some kids are seeing it is something that should be minimized, not promoted. Asking for these books to be removed from a school should not cause political fighting. Maturity questionable material should not be used in schools.

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, Orlando Tim said:

The fact that some kids are seeing it is something that should be minimized, not promoted. Asking for these books to be removed from a school should not cause political fighting. Maturity questionable material should not be used in schools.

And again: that’s where local parents, librarians, and school boards come into play. Not some pompous politician seeking attention. 

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That’s admirable, and I hope it works. I’m just skeptical that we can keep the kids from being exposed to these things. And the books people decry, even if graphic, are far, far less damaging than the images almost all kids are exposed to online whether their parents “allow” it or not. 

 

That doesn't mean you still don't try to limit it.  Just because kids can access porn on the internet it doesn't mean you, say, allow it to be shown on TV saying "well, they can see it on the internet anyway."

[Orlando Tim]

22 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And again: that’s where local parents, librarians, and school boards come into play. Not some pompous politician seeking attention. 

On any issue where there is a true second side I agree on local control but I do not see the "other side' in this case except the political one.

[JDHillFan]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And again: that’s where local parents, librarians, and school boards come into play. Not some pompous politician seeking attention. 

You seem unwilling to agree the materials, materials that have been shut down when read aloud at school board meetings, don’t belong in schools solely so that you can make a political point. 

[Big Blitz]

Yep.  Full on assault for the next 3 plus months - and in fact, I’d go right for the jugular 24/7 - repeat daily that he’s a fraud with no record of legislative accomplishment that let the woke left fully take over DC as best represented by Fauci and what’s left of the FBI

 

Make sure to mention he’s a wasted vote because in 2 years we’re going thru this all again anyway.  He doesn’t have the time or energy or more importantly capability and fortitude to fight what’s destroying this country.  

 

 

 

DeSantis has been doing all those thinks in Florida for almost 5 years now.  

[Big Blitz]

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[The Frankish Reich]

8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Blitzie, is that you? I thought you stormed out of the room after the pathetic debate, never to return? 

 

That was so 48 hours ago. Welcome back. I saw the Bill Maher interview. He did well! Coming into the lion's den suits him. Maher is more than a little sympathetic to the anti-woke cause too. I also saw a bit of Newsom with Hannity. Same thing! Relaxed, confident, looked much better than when preaching to his own choir.

 

Is this a new thing, talking to people who don't necessarily agree with you? What is America coming to?

[B-Man]

 

 

Ron DeSantis Kills It on Bill Maher, Has the Lib Audience Cheering

 

 

Ron DeSantis, who was in California to speak to the state's GOP, appeared with Bill Maher on Friday evening, and it went well.

 

Pressed on everything from COVID-19 to abortion, the Florida governor had the liberal audience cheering at times as he delivered conservative answers. 

 

It only took a few seconds for DeSantis to get his first round of applause, touting that he made vaccine mandates illegal in Florida. Given Maher's skepticism about left-wing COVID hysteria, that was a smart strategic play to soften the room before getting into the tougher questions. 

 

Maher took a few shots after, which shouldn't anger any Republican because that is the point of his show (everyone should learn to laugh a little more). DeSantis then got serious when pressed on what makes him unique in the field, noting that the nation needs actual accountability for the government's COVID regime, including mandates and lockdowns. The audience ate that up.

 

Next, Maher brought up the idea that DeSantis campaigned for supposed "election deniers" in 2022, including Kari Lake. He was ready, though, and turned the issue around on Democrats. 

 

 

 

 

 

And look, I know the response to this by some is going to be "Well, did you know Trump is up eleven-billion points!" Yeah, I get it. Trump is leading four months before the first primary and he's the presumptive nominee. I'm not arguing that. I just don't care in this context. We praise Republicans who do good things on this site regardless of their standing in any primary. DeSantis stepped out of his comfort zone and made the GOP seem more relatable to a hostile audience. That's a good thing.

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/09/30/watch-ron-desantis-absolutely-kills-it-on-bill-mahar-has-the-lib-audience-cheering-n2164499

[Pokebball]

On 9/26/2023 at 12:36 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

And again: that’s where local parents, librarians, and school boards come into play. Not some pompous politician seeking attention. 

Sure, but there is significant pressure from outside the community coming from both sides on this. Our POTUS' dept of education is threatening federal funding for not "getting in line" 

Edited September 30, 2023 by Pokebball

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Blitzie, is that you? I thought you stormed out of the room after the pathetic debate, never to return? 

 

 

 

No.  
 

 

Anyway…

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Blitzie, is that you? I thought you stormed out of the room after the pathetic debate, never to return? 

 

That was so 48 hours ago. Welcome back. I saw the Bill Maher interview. He did well! Coming into the lion's den suits him. Maher is more than a little sympathetic to the anti-woke cause too. I also saw a bit of Newsom with Hannity. Same thing! Relaxed, confident, looked much better than when preaching to his own choir.

 

Is this a new thing, talking to people who don't necessarily agree with you? What is America coming to?

 

Omg the ice cream truck

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Truth

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/30/opinion/trump-gop-election-2024.html

[B-Man]

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

I woulda thought Meatball would drop out by now. What is he doing? It’s a dead campaign. He stands no chance

"He's done on this side, turn him over"  St. Lawrence several hundred years ago.

[Doc]

7 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

I woulda thought Meatball would drop out by now. What is he doing? It’s a dead campaign. He stands no chance

 

So dumb.

[BillStime]

7 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

I woulda thought Meatball would drop out by now. What is he doing? It’s a dead campaign. He stands no chance

Stick a fork in DeSaster - he’s done. 
 

He is worse than Al Gore.