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17 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:


FWIW, they just revealed in the last episode the mom of hondo told her son, when he was young he was so independent he would say to mama (his word not mine in the episode) Hon do it. Eventually his father started calling him Hondo.  Loved the old show although before my time so saw the reruns of you grew up in Buffalo on Ch. 29 like Star Trek, the Brady Bunch and Gilligans Island.  The new one is cool and thanks for sharing brother.

 

As far as Campbell, he’s make D. Henry look weak compared to his power and explosiveness back in the day.  A man amongst boys.

 

Thanks for the Hon-Do-It story.  It's kind-of the origin story of my own nickname.  Cool stuff.  My wife -  who controls the remote - really liked Shemar Moore on Criminal Minds.  Maybe I should convince her to try the new SWAT.

 

I recently read that there are 3 or more LBs on the field only about 24% of the time in 2020.  Back in 2008, that number was over 50%.  Back in Jim Brown's day, I'm guessing it was close to 100%.

 

Today there are more CBs on the field.  And the LBs who are out there are smaller than the LBs of Dick Butkus' time.     Today, once a back is past the DL, he's facing smaller, though quicker, guys than the backs of old.  If Campbell was a man amongst boys back in the 70s, that would be even more true today.

 

I think the OJs and Barry Sanders of the world are super fun to watch.  But given what today's defenses are built like, a good power back would be a great addition to the Bills.  


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3 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

As Buffalo Bills fans, we have a history of all-time great running backs (Cookie Gilchrist, OJ Simpson, Thurman Thomas).  Even during the playoff drought, we had two potential future Hall of Famers on the roster (Marshawn Lynch, LeSean McCoy), a couple first round picks (Willis McGahee, CJ Spiller) and the extremely popular Fred Jackson.  Then you have Travis Henry, who ran for 1400 and 1300+ in back to back years.

 

It's tough for people in this city to accept the facts, because for so many years THIS POSITION was pretty much all we had on offense.

Outside of fantasy football, the running back position just isn't that important anymore.

 

You need to go back 7 years before you find a Super Bowl Champion where an individual running back (Seattle/Lynch) was the primary attack of the offense.  Then probably another 10 years before you find one again (Pittsburgh/Jerome Bettis).  The Patriots dominated the last two decades with a by-committee approach, where backs are expendable and exchangeable depending on gameplan.  The RBs with the rings over the last 20-25 years are guys like LeGarrette Blount, Damien Williams, CJ Anderson and Sony Michel.

 

The guys the Bills have on their roster can be effective, with better blocking up-front and a better gameplan for getting them involved.  I'm not worried about this position in the slightest.

 

 

Yeah, it's interesting how many good-to-great running backs the Bills have had over the years and how few good/great quarterbacks.

 

If in today's game I could choose Josh or Thurman, I'd choose Josh.  No doubt.  But how fun would it be to have both?

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this thread is frustrating to read. Just keep yammering and yelling in to the wind for more or "better" rb's to replace the ones we already have, and don't listen to the sound and well thought out takes by many of us as to why the backs we have are plenty good for our scheme and what the Bills are trying to accomplish on offense. Moving on.

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12 minutes ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:

This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say.  We've been pretty spoiled at the RB position over the years so maybe we have gotten a bit spoiled.

 

I would love to see a Venn diagram of posters that think Motor is total garbage and ones that think Williams is the answer...I think it would be a single circle.  Williams might very well have some potential but the TBD trend of seeing a guy that did something in garbage time or a meaningless game and then anointing him as a savior is really weird to me.

 

Everybody would love to have 22 superstars, backed up by incredible depth at every position.

But with the salary cap, teams need to prioritize the areas they consider most important.

 

For example, this draft really showed how much Sean McDermott's defense emphasizes the D-Line over the secondary.  In this kind of zone scheme, they don't see the need to obtain multiple lock-down corners.  With enough pressure, they are confident Levi Wallace/Dane Jackson can do the job.

 

Outside of a few exceptions (Tennessee for instance), I believe that RB is also way low on that list.

 

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5 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Everybody would love to have 22 superstars, backed up by incredible depth at every position.

But with the salary cap, teams need to prioritize the areas they consider most important.

 

For example, this draft really showed how much Sean McDermott's defense emphasizes the D-Line over the secondary.  In this kind of zone scheme, they don't see the need to obtain multiple lock-down corners.  With enough pressure, they are confident Levi Wallace/Dane Jackson can do the job.


Outside of a few exceptions (Tennessee for instance), I believe that RB is also way low on
that list.

 

I'm not sure where I'd put RB on the list.  It's not our most glaring need, for sure.  We scored a lot of points last year with the folks we had.

 

Still I hated seeing KC in a 4-1-6 and other teams likewise selling out to stop the pass.  

 

To prevent that we either need to upgrade the line or the RBs or both.  We did a little - not a lot - to help both position groups this offseason.  We'll see how it works out.  

 

 

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26 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Yeah, it's interesting how many good-to-great running backs the Bills have had over the years and how few good/great quarterbacks.

 

If in today's game I could choose Josh or Thurman, I'd choose Josh.  No doubt.  But how fun would it be to have both?

 

It would be great to have both.  No doubt.  I would love to see Singletary/Moss turn into superstars.  

 

It's just about allocating resources.  Not all positions can get equal attention.

If you decided to spend a Round 1-3 pick on all of the 22 starting spots, it would take over 7 years to address every position.

Most teams can only afford between 5-10 players (depending on the QB contract) making over $10 million per year. 

 

My opinion is that Quarterback, Offensive Tackle and Edge Rusher always get first priority.  They are followed by Wide Receiver and Cornerback.

Running Backs, Tight Ends, Defensive Tackles and Safeties can often be addressed on Day 2.  Good interior Guards, Centers and Linebackers are the easiest to find in later rounds.  Of course there are always exceptions, depending on scheme.

 

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I really wanted Najee Harris but I think I see what Beane is doing. I think he’s taking the blue print from Shanahan’s playbook on playing with rotating backs and he’s trying to build up the o line more to help the RBS. But if we still struggle to run the ball this year then I really hope Beane will go after a RB via free agent, trade, or the draft. We gotta be able to take some pressure off of Allen’s shoulders.

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The Bills plan is solid, cost effective and proven to work in the NFL. It is the old rotating backs and give them different looks to defend. We are a passing team, and complementing that is all we are after.  The Ezekial Elliott model, was never in the works with these guys.

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LOL that Brieda is JAG.  He had the fastest recorded speed in the NFL in 2018 and 2019.  He might be the fastest guy in the league with pads on (I dont quite think this is true) let alone at the position.  

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31 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I'm not sure where I'd put RB on the list.  It's not our most glaring need, for sure.  We scored a lot of points last year with the folks we had.

 

Still I hated seeing KC in a 4-1-6 and other teams likewise selling out to stop the pass.  

 

To prevent that we either need to upgrade the line or the RBs or both.  We did a little - not a lot - to help both position groups this offseason.  We'll see how it works out.  

 

 


Yeah, I was hoping for a bigger upgrade to the interior OL than what we actually saw. I’ve got my fingers crossed that Lamp can become a quality starter.

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17 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Right now the Bills have:

 

Singletary: I'm not sold on him.  

Moss: Also not sold on him.

Antonio Williams: Looked ok in spot duty, but only 12 carries.  Can he block?  Not sold on him.

Wade: Intriguing non football guy. Fast but old and still learning the game. Likely stuck on the practice squad again.

Breida:  JAG.

Taiwan Jones: Less than JAG

 

So far no UDFA RB's added.  

 

So what's the plan?  Will Oline pickups improve the run blocking?  Will they grab another team's castoff? Is there a Fred Jackson type UDFA just waiting to be signed?

 

 

The plan is to go with Moss and Singletary and Breida.  

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17 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Right now the Bills have:

 

Singletary: I'm not sold on him.  

Moss: Also not sold on him.

Antonio Williams: Looked ok in spot duty, but only 12 carries.  Can he block?  Not sold on him.

Wade: Intriguing non football guy. Fast but old and still learning the game. Likely stuck on the practice squad again.

Breida:  JAG.

Taiwan Jones: Less than JAG

 

So far no UDFA RB's added.  

 

So what's the plan?  Will Oline pickups improve the run blocking?  Will they grab another team's castoff? Is there a Fred Jackson type UDFA just waiting to be signed?

 

 

Beane said in his presser that he is not going to sleep until Chicago Ric is sold on the plan at RB.  

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17 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Right now the Bills have:

 

Singletary: I'm not sold on him.  

Moss: Also not sold on him.

Antonio Williams: Looked ok in spot duty, but only 12 carries.  Can he block?  Not sold on him.

Wade: Intriguing non football guy. Fast but old and still learning the game. Likely stuck on the practice squad again.

Breida:  JAG.

Taiwan Jones: Less than JAG

 

So far no UDFA RB's added.  

 

So what's the plan?  Will Oline pickups improve the run blocking?  Will they grab another team's castoff? Is there a Fred Jackson type UDFA just waiting to be signed?

 

 

This ain’t your grandfather’s Buffalo Bills..... we throw way more than run

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Well, now that we have our preferred O line personnel healthy at the same time and first time in over a season of play, with additional quality backups, and a run game/ blocking schemes that are being addressed, at B Beanes not so subtle urgings, to those in charge of said run game schemes, I think we will all be happy to see our run game as being quite efficient and effective when it is used, not much else to say that the FO and HC haven’t already eluded to..., gonna go get a beer 🍺 now..., 

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18 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Right now the Bills have:

 

Singletary: I'm not sold on him.  

Moss: Also not sold on him.

Antonio Williams: Looked ok in spot duty, but only 12 carries.  Can he block?  Not sold on him.

Wade: Intriguing non football guy. Fast but old and still learning the game. Likely stuck on the practice squad again.

Breida:  JAG.

Taiwan Jones: Less than JAG

 

So far no UDFA RB's added.  

 

So what's the plan?  Will Oline pickups improve the run blocking?  Will they grab another team's castoff? Is there a Fred Jackson type UDFA just waiting to be signed?

 

 

Doesn't it seem like it's just like 2018 and 2019? 

 

Singletary/Moss in the lead role, with a rotational veteran behind them. 

 

Does Breida dress on Sunday or does he get the TJ Yeldon treatment? 

 

 

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This is just an opinion:  Only the teams without a top QB worry about having a top running game.  It only has to be "good enough" - a credible threat to bring LB's and safeties up to create space for your receivers.  Maybe you emphasize RB, but only if they can catch and pass protect as well as they run.   If the Bills cared more about running they would have prioritized their G/C positions - not their RBs.  The running game will be used when matchups favor it, not because it is part of the Bills' core offensive identify.

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52 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Doesn't it seem like it's just like 2018 and 2019? 

 

Singletary/Moss in the lead role, with a rotational veteran behind them. 

 

Does Breida dress on Sunday or does he get the TJ Yeldon treatment? 

 

Breida will dress.  He also plays STs.  

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12 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I'm not sure why Beane doesn't consider a RB with 4.38 speed to be a homerun hitter.

 

 

 

It doesn't appear looking at the stats that passing changed much from 2019 to 2020.

 

 

 

A muffed exchange between the QB and RB always gets charged to the QB.  But that was on Moss.

Allen threw for 1500 more yards and 17 more TD's.

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10 hours ago, klos63 said:

Allen threw for 1500 more yards and 17 more TD's.

 

Yup, because he became an elite QB.  Outside of him, Mahomes, Brady and Rodgers (edit: forgot to mention Watson) no other QB who was drafted from 2000-2018 (I'm excluding QBs who were drafted in 2019 since they're supposed to improve in their 2nd years) and who was a full-time starter the past 2 seasons had significantly more yards in 2020 than the year before.

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