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2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

49 negative emojis, Congratulations! You’re the new leader in Most Ridiculous Thread category!

I don't see what's so ridiculous about it...

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The Chiefs entered the off season after getting man handled in the Super Bowl because their O-line had fallen apart.  They blew up their O-line and decided to rebuild.  On paper at least, they look to

The Browns came in 3rd in their own division last year.  (I know they were only one game behind the Steelers)   I think you are underestimating the advantage of having Josh Allen at the helm

I rank this thread 6th on the wall today 

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33 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I think there is some merit and this is more well thought out compared to some takes.

 

BUT... I really feel these takes come from a place based off the Browns barely losing to the Chiefs vs. the Bills losing a less competitive game. The Browns absolutely have made strides which is nice to see as we came from a similar place. They also have yet to win a playoff game, division crown, and their QB doesn't rate as highly as others in the AFC.

 

I believe the Browns are the class of the AFC North this year, but I also want to see how they handle the pressure of being that team and going the distance. The Bills mindset is literally at this point SB or bust. They could go 11-5-1 and Cleveland 13-4 and I do not think they would bat an eye considering their main goal is the SB. Cleveland in my opinion is not there, they are where the Bills were last season.

 

Also the Bills remind me a bit of the Colts in the mid 2000s where the Patriots were the immovable force they had to vanquish if they wanted their ring. It gets to a point where tunnel vision kicks in and everything else doesn't matter. KC is at that point and I think the Bills learned it last year. Cleveland seems step away, but another contender if they learn it.

The Browns won a playoff game.... Does that mean they are now ready to take the next step?

 

Why do fans consistently think success is linear. Like you need baby steps before you win a SB? It doesn't always work that way.

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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

If you bet the NFL you’d know this

 

Vegas prints $$ off people like OP

I’ve been betting pretty consistently since I moved to Vegas 20 years ago.  Thanks.

 

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On 5/2/2021 at 2:46 PM, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 

We barely beat the Colts and the Ravens in the playoffs last year, but we still beat them.  The Browns are more talented top to bottom than the Bengals are (Let's see how Burrow comes back after this injury).  I'm a big Burrow fan and think he can be the real deal and way better than Mayfield but worry he is going to get Darnold-ed by Cincy.  Passing on Sewell to draft a WR is a typical Jets/Cincy kind of move when the Bengals O-line is atrocious.  How putting a solid O-line in front of Burrow wasn't priority #1 , #2, #3 this off season for Cincy is beyond me...

 

 

Barely beat the Ravens? We held them to 3 points. I firmly believe that even without the timely pick 6 in the red zone Josh could've put up another 10 points if they had to. When Lamar went down the Bills went into prevent and a ball-control offense. Don't get it twisted, the score wasn't that far apart, but by all means Buffalo dominated from start to finish.

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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’ve been betting pretty consistently since I moved to Vegas 20 years ago.  Thanks.

 

THen you'd know the Bills are 21-13-2 ats last 2 years while the Browns are 13-20-1 hence overvalued

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2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

THen you'd know the Bills are 21-13-2 ats last 2 years while the Browns are 13-20-1 hence overvalued

No, I didn’t look at the browns number for the last two years.....

 

I was reacting to you calling the Browns  “historically overvalued”.  Historically = 34 games?  Oh......riiiiiight

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1 minute ago, NewEra said:

No, I didn’t look at the browns number for the last two years.....

 

I was reacting to you calling the Browns  “historically overvalued”.  Historically = 34 games?  Oh......riiiiiight

hey its your money

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5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

hey its your money


 

Am I betting something on the browns?  Or am I just having a discussion about how a team, other than our Bills, have had a great offseason and put themselves in the conversation for being a legit super bowl contender.

 

I believe they have done exactly that.  They joined us in the conversation.  I don’t believe they are a better team, but I believe they have a more talented roster top to bottom.....but Josh>>> Baker.  But having Josh doesn’t preclude the Browns from beating us.

 

 

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This thread has pointed out a few of the rules for posting on these boards:

 

  • We are the experts above and beyond anyone else. Well, as long as it is positive towards the Bills and negative towards other teams. Thus positive takes on the Bills are genius and anything otherwise including positive on other teams is clueless. 
  • Even further, no negative views allowed on the Bills. This includes any criticism of players, coaches, decisions. On the flipside no positive take on another team because that is considered to be negative on the Bills. 
  • Everything the Bills do is earned and well deserved. Everything other teams do is lucky or not legit in some way.
  • The Bills always could have done this or that if they wanted to.
  • The moves the team makes are always good; The ones they don't either were dumb or have some obvious explainable reason why they did not. 
  • Players on the Bills, even the marginable ones are always the best. Once they leave the Bills they were obviously awful the team they went to is overpaying.  
  • We are always either building/following the process and not one player away, already have the best roster so dont need anything, or impacted by bad luck that will be different next year. 
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12 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

49 negative emojis, Congratulations! You’re the new leader in Most Ridiculous Thread category!

 

I gave the OP a thumbs up. My one positive emoji is more important than the 49 negatives! 😉 

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"Here is a bunch of ways in which the other teams improved" *draft picks draft picks free agents* all unknown commodities. Yet when you get to reviewing the bills roster moves you don't even mention any of their draft picks? 

I mean what the f? Our oline was so-so and suspect at times especially in the running game and especially with injuries. We attacked it aggressively and brought a nice prospect in from the third round. 

Our D-Line sucked major and couldn't get pressure on anyone which meant even when allen was putting up 30 the other team was always in the game. Hail mary's galore. What did we do? We went out and added two D-Linemen with high potential. Major Upgrade, if we get more pressure on the QB this season and more production out of guys like Oliver and Hughes we are going to be putting a hurting on these teams which is only going to give allen that many more opportunities with the ball.  But from some reason the only thing you can make mention of in your synopsis is Star? o.O

It's like you totally ignore that we added a speedy running back and a UDFA Tight End that a lot of people are high about. I'm not saying those are impact signings necessarily, but since you give all the other teams full credit for all of their signings I don't see why you would treat the bills so differently?

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I haven't combed through the 16 pages, so sorry if this has already been said, but I do believe the Browns are going to be a problem for the next few years, I do think we are better though. But something that I think is worth bringing up is Baker plays WAAAAY worse when OBJ is playing and he is coming back this year, Baker force feeds OBJ and tries to play outside himself to get him the ball. I think the browns go as far as baker, and he is still a QB i wouldn't trust in the 4th if he were on my team.  But top to bottom the browns are incredibly talented and if everything clicks they are definitely a contender.

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4 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

"Here is a bunch of ways in which the other teams improved" *draft picks draft picks free agents* all unknown commodities. Yet when you get to reviewing the bills roster moves you don't even mention any of their draft picks? 

I mean what the f? Our oline was so-so and suspect at times especially in the running game and especially with injuries. We attacked it aggressively and brought a nice prospect in from the third round. 

Our D-Line sucked major and couldn't get pressure on anyone which meant even when allen was putting up 30 the other team was always in the game. Hail mary's galore. What did we do? We went out and added two D-Linemen with high potential. Major Upgrade, if we get more pressure on the QB this season and more production out of guys like Oliver and Hughes we are going to be putting a hurting on these teams which is only going to give allen that many more opportunities with the ball.  But from some reason the only thing you can make mention of in your synopsis is Star? o.O

It's like you totally ignore that we added a speedy running back and a UDFA Tight End that a lot of people are high about. I'm not saying those are impact signings necessarily, but since you give all the other teams full credit for all of their signings I don't see why you would treat the bills so differently?

I don’t think most people are expecting much from late round picks and UDFAs, well, really ever, but especially in their rookie seasons.  It happens, but not often and not predictably.  Nor do we expect much of a contribution (hopefully) from a backup tackle.  Literally a player who, if he does see the field for an extended period of time, it’s because Dawkins or Williams got injured.

 

There certainly can be contributions from Rousseau and Basham, especially by later in the season.  But they’ll be starting as backup/rotational players and going from there.  They are looked at much more as long term (next season and beyond) contributors.  
 

Free agency really didn’t help the team beyond maintaining continuity, which is often the right move, but doesn’t really move the needle forward.  Sanders and Brieda are good depth but I’d rather have had a player like Brown to stretch the defense.  We missed him when he went out last season.  We get Star back so at least Oliver gets to play more 3T, but who knows what we’re going to get from him after a year off?  And it’s not like he was doing all that well before then.

 

I was hoping for a few pieces that could help the Bills get over the top this season, especially with keeping up with KC’s speed.  It’s unlikely that we got that unless our new DEs create enough pressure quickly enough to be that difference.  That’s a tough sell for me.  

 

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4 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

"Here is a bunch of ways in which the other teams improved" *draft picks draft picks free agents* all unknown commodities. Yet when you get to reviewing the bills roster moves you don't even mention any of their draft picks? 

 

The OP could be correct about his order of teams, the OP could be incorrect about his order of teams, but his analysis of the Chiefs and of the Bills off season moves was, IMO, really shallow and missed a lot of points (Chiefs I discussed above).  He's doubling down on it, though, so whatever.

 

The major point is the Chiefs remain the team to beat in the AFC until proven otherwise.  And the Bills made a strong case for being their biggest threat.  If Allen shows his improvement was no fluke, IMO we remain that (biggest threat) until proven otherwise. 

 

The Browns had a worse defense and played a weaker schedule last season.  It's not a fluke that the Bills had a better record last season. They're a legit contender and on paper, they made moves to significantly improve themselves.  We'll see if they come to fruition.

 

So did the Bills, BTW.  The moves aren't sexy, but evidently the outcome of the honest assessment they did was that our problems were largely on the offensive and defensive lines.  We lacked the cap $$ to compete successfully for some splashy FA signings, so Beane's approach was to add competition/alternatives and strive for improvement that way.   It's not sexy but it's worked before.

 

 

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13 hours ago, ngbills said:

This thread has pointed out a few of the rules for posting on these boards:

 

  • We are the experts above and beyond anyone else. Well, as long as it is positive towards the Bills and negative towards other teams. Thus positive takes on the Bills are genius and anything otherwise including positive on other teams is clueless. 
  • Even further, no negative views allowed on the Bills. This includes any criticism of players, coaches, decisions. On the flipside no positive take on another team because that is considered to be negative on the Bills. 
  • Everything the Bills do is earned and well deserved. Everything other teams do is lucky or not legit in some way.
  • The Bills always could have done this or that if they wanted to.
  • The moves the team makes are always good; The ones they don't either were dumb or have some obvious explainable reason why they did not. 
  • Players on the Bills, even the marginable ones are always the best. Once they leave the Bills they were obviously awful the team they went to is overpaying.  
  • We are always either building/following the process and not one player away, already have the best roster so dont need anything, or impacted by bad luck that will be different next year. 

this is a fun level of drama.

 

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16 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The Browns won a playoff game.... Does that mean they are now ready to take the next step?

 

Why do fans consistently think success is linear. Like you need baby steps before you win a SB? It doesn't always work that way.

 

Oh god I am not saying that at all. The Eagles went SB, playoff, playoff, out implosion, I completely understand things change quick. My point is simply last year the Browns didn't have the pressure of being one of those big teams. It exists this year whereas Buffalo has been through it and proved some chops last year. Let me ask you this if the Browns do the Bills 2020 season win their division, 12 games, and make the AFC title would you think of their season is a success or progress? I would say yes considering how far they haven't done those things plus their division is really tough. I think for Bills fans at this point anything less then SB in the next bunch of years will seem like failure and I am fine with that. I am not expecting either four straight SB's its really tough to get to one, but in the next 5-7 years if they don't make the SB I'd say they missed their shot. If they do make at least one I'd say goal achieved. Higher expectations but they also proved they should have those expectations.

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