Georgia election laws and MLB

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Melon said:

 

The context makes it racist. The fact you cannot see that context, that you cannot see the systemic racism that brought this bill to the floor in the first place, is unfortunate. 

 

It's been explained to you ad nauseum.

 

 

All the people screaming from the mountain tops that witnessed the bill being signed to the detriment of the Georgian impovered are not witnesses?

 

 

Context makes it racist?  Go on.......

 

What has been explained to me is "we think"  "we feel".  Fine.  Your feels and thinks prove nothing.  

 

Impoverished = racist?

 

Now if you want to have a discussion why you feel poor = POC I'm all ears.  

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Just stop with your false piety.  Some people have found their political voices and are using them, and you’re butt hurt about it because they’re not the voices you favor.  I am not a fan of this kind of stuff but at least I have the decency to say I disagree regardless of which side it comes from.  
 

It is obvious who has their head stuck in the sand.  Pull yours out. Look in the mirror, and ask yourself honestly if the side you favor were doing this, as they have, you wouldn’t be all in.

 

Do you agree with how people that have "found their political voice" are doxing people?  I know people that are afraid to voice their opinion for fear they may lose their livelihood.  If you don't feel this has been a tactic of the left more so than a tactic of the right I can't help you other than to tell you you've got some sand on your chin. 

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Do you agree with how people that have "found their political voice" are doxing people?  I know people that are afraid to voice their opinion for fear they may lose their livelihood.  If you don't feel this has been a tactic of the left more so than a tactic of the right I can't help you other than to tell you you've got some sand on your chin. 

People should not lose their livelihood because they voice an opinion.  What you call cancel culture are other people voicing their opinion.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

People should not lose their livelihood because they voice an opinion.  What you call cancel culture are other people voicing their opinion.

 

These two sentences do not make sense together.  

 

I think you need to understand what cancel culture is because you obviously don't know.  

 

 

[Tenhigh]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

People should not lose their livelihood because they voice an opinion.  What you call cancel culture are other people voicing their opinion.

Not really. Cancel culture is the response to people voicing their opinion.  If that opinion is not in line with the extremely vocal minority, a coordinated attack will occur on them and their livelihood. Look at what happened to Stephen King when he commented about how he views matters of art. There was a full on assault.  Or, if they offer no opinion at all, like Home Depot, they are boycotted.  

[Chef Jim]

16 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Not really. Cancel culture is the response to people voicing their opinion.  If that opinion is not in line with the extremely vocal minority, a coordinated attack will occur on them and their livelihood. Look at what happened to Stephen King when he commented about how he views matters of art. There was a full on assault.  Or, if they offer no opinion at all, like Home Depot, they are boycotted.  

 

You can't win sometimes.  You offer no opinion you're attacked.  Remember silence is violence?  You offer the wrong opinion you're attacked.  

[Orlando Tim]

57 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

People should not lose their livelihood because they voice an opinion.  What you call cancel culture are other people voicing their opinion.

Except for the fact that "cancel" culture comes along with riots and violence. If I don't like baseballs stance I simply stop watching, if a cancel warrior dislikes a stance they physically harm those that disagree. I have a whole summer of riots to prove my point.

53 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Not really. Cancel culture is the response to people voicing their opinion.  If that opinion is not in line with the extremely vocal minority, a coordinated attack will occur on them and their livelihood. Look at what happened to Stephen King when he commented about how he views matters of art. There was a full on assault.  Or, if they offer no opinion at all, like Home Depot, they are boycotted.  

The last line is how fascism works- you either fully agree with me or I will destroy you. Soon the home depot's will close in the cities and then they will be racist for making business decisions.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Except for the fact that "cancel" culture comes along with riots and violence. If I don't like baseballs stance I simply stop watching, if a cancel warrior dislikes a stance they physically harm those that disagree. I have a whole summer of riots to prove my point.

 

Dude I'm not even talking about violence.  Better bake a cake for everyone or you're out on your ass.  BTW I would love to see how some of these Woke Supremacists would react if someone wanted a cake for the local White Supremacist rally.   BTW if they said no and told them to get the ***** out I'd back them 100%.  

[oldmanfan]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Except for the fact that "cancel" culture comes along with riots and violence. If I don't like baseballs stance I simply stop watching, if a cancel warrior dislikes a stance they physically harm those that disagree. I have a whole summer of riots to prove my point.

The last line is how fascism works- you either fully agree with me or I will destroy you. Soon the home depot's will close in the cities and then they will be racist for making business decisions.

And I will rebut with several  things:

 

1.  January 6th people in the other side of the equation tried not just to “cancel culture “(as some of you would put it) but cancel the Democratic process.  Each side does this kind of political crap trying to influence corporations as I have already listed.
 

2.  I have said repeatedly that protests are good but violence cannot be tolerated.  So has the current President.

 

3.  Home Depot can make its decision then the market will act.  If they come out in favor of voting rights in general they’ll win some customers and lose others.  And if they come out in favor of the change in law, same thing will happen.  The idea that a large company like Home Depot will fall over this is a wild guess.

1 hour ago, Tenhigh said:

Not really. Cancel culture is the response to people voicing their opinion.  If that opinion is not in line with the extremely vocal minority, a coordinated attack will occur on them and their livelihood. Look at what happened to Stephen King when he commented about how he views matters of art. There was a full on assault.  Or, if they offer no opinion at all, like Home Depot, they are boycotted.  

And those in agreement with a Home Depot or a Steven King rally to their cause.

[B-Man]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

3.  Home Depot can make its decision then the market will act.  If they come out in favor of voting rights in general they’ll win some customers and lose others.  And if they come out in favor of the change in law, same thing will happen.  

 

 

You neglected to address the point that we have been making.

 

What if Home Depot, doesn't want to come out on EITHER side ?

 

They are being forced to give an opinion when it is not really the job of a store to help decide public policy.

 

If they want to fine..............your reply works...............but you keep failing to answer the other.

 

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

You neglected to address the point that we have been making.

 

What if Home Depot, doesn't want to come out on EITHER side ?

 

They are being forced to give an opinion when it is not really the job of a store to help decide public policy.

 

If they want to fine..............your reply works...............but you keep failing to answer the other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Silence is violence......something something.  

[oldmanfan]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

You neglected to address the point that we have been making.

 

What if Home Depot, doesn't want to come out on EITHER side ?

 

They are being forced to give an opinion when it is not really the job of a store to help decide public policy.

 

If they want to fine..............your reply works...............but you keep failing to answer the other.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, they’re being pressured.  They have to respond.  As I said earlier, I don’t like these kind of tactics.  But I suspect this is why Home Depot has their PR staff and such.  Arthur Blank does not strike me as an idiot.  I am sure they will come up with a statement that is supportive in some way without selling the farm away from folks like you.  All I’m saying is that you are being disingrnuous when you suggest this is any different than when Republicans push corporations to bend to their will.  And no, it does not matter who makes the initial policy statement.

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Silence is violence......something something.  

See my response.  You just don’t like it because it works against your side.  Get vaccinated.

[Chef Jim]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Yeah, they’re being pressured.  They have to respond.  As I said earlier, I don’t like these kind of tactics.  But I suspect this is why Home Depot has their PR staff and such.  Arthur Blank does not strike me as an idiot.  I am sure they will come up with a statement that is supportive in some way without selling the farm away from folks like you.  All I’m saying is that you are being disingrnuous when you suggest this is any different than when Republicans push corporations to bend to their will.  And no, it does not matter who makes the initial policy statement.

 

Why do they have to respond?  What on earth does voting laws have to do with nuts, bolts and lumber?

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

 

See my response.  You just don’t like it because it works against your side.  Get vaccinated.

 

See my response above.  

 

Why should I get vaccinated?  

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Why do they have to respond?  What on earth does voting laws have to do with nuts, bolts and lumber?

 

See my response above.  

 

Why should I get vaccinated?  

So you don’t die or get a long term illness.

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

So you don’t die or get a long term illness.

And they don’t have to respond.  You’re absolutely right.  It’s their decision.  And if they are boycotted by some folks, that will be their decision.  And if those who don’t like the boycott go on to buy more at Home Depot vs. Lowe’s that will be their decision. And if some still refuse to watch a football game because some guys kneel, that is their  decision.  And if some nut case conservatives want to shut down Disney World because they actually welcome gays, that is their decision.  And if gays then flock to Disney World one weekend a year when they are particularly welcomed, that is their decision.  And so on.  And so on.  And so on.

 

You see, freedom is kind of a complex thing.  

Edited April 21, 2021 by oldmanfan

[T&C]

9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Why do they have to respond?  What on earth does voting laws have to do with nuts, bolts and lumber?

My immediate first thought when I read the article. Nobody is going to boycott Home Depot... its just throwing another thing out there to see if it will stick. Makes these people look desperate really.

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, T&C said:

My immediate first thought when I read the article. Nobody is going to boycott Home Depot... its just throwing another thing out there to see if it will stick. Makes these people look desperate really.

Seems quite possible

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

So you don’t die or get a long term illness.

And they don’t have to respond.  You’re absolutely right.  It’s their decision.  And if they are boycotted by some folks, that will be their decision.  And if those who don’t like the boycott go on to buy more at Home Depot vs. Lowe’s that will be their decision. And if some still refuse to watch a football game because some guys kneel, that is their  decision.  And if some nut case conservatives want to shut down Disney World because they actually welcome gays, that is their decision.  And if gays then flock to Disney World one weekend a year when they are particularly welcomed, that is their decision.  And so on.  And so on.  And so on.

 

You see, freedom is kind of a complex thing.  

 

Thanks for your concern but I'm going to die eventually.  And I'll likely survive the virus.  

 

I'm not sure if you were quoting me but I'll address it.  So if a company does not respond and people boycott them without even knowing their stance on the subject?  You don't see the absurdity of that?  

 

Freedom is not complex at all.  People, for some reason, make it such. 

3 minutes ago, T&C said:

My immediate first thought when I read the article. Nobody is going to boycott Home Depot... its just throwing another thing out there to see if it will stick. Makes these people look desperate really.

 

I didn't read it at all. I'm referring to the whole "Silence if Violence" movement.  

[T&C]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

I didn't read it at all. I'm referring to the whole "Silence if Violence" movement. 

 If you scroll up a bit I posted the article...

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Thanks for your concern but I'm going to die eventually.  And I'll likely survive the virus.  

 

I'm not sure if you were quoting me but I'll address it.  So if a company does not respond and people boycott them without even knowing their stance on the subject?  You don't see the absurdity of that?  

 

Freedom is not complex at all.  People, for some reason, make it such. 

 

I didn't read it at all. I'm referring to the whole "Silence if Violence" movement.  

Sure it’s absurd.  I have already said I disagree with the tactic.  You continue to ignore my point:  it works the same the other way.  When Conservatives want to try and force say the NFL of a corporation like Disney into following their beliefs by boycotting it’s the same damn thing.  Yet we get crickets about that.

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Sure it’s absurd.  I have already said I disagree with the tactic.  You continue to ignore my point:  it works the same the other way.  When Conservatives want to try and force say the NFL of a corporation like Disney into following their beliefs by boycotting it’s the same damn thing.  Yet we get crickets about that.

 

One more time. Boycotting a company for a stance they've taken is one thing. But to boycott a company, or dox a public person, for not taking a stance is another.  I suggest you figure our my point too.  

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

One more time. Boycotting a company for a stance they've taken is one thing. But to boycott a company, or dox a public person, for not taking a stance is another.  I suggest you figure our my point too.  

One more time.  They are both political plays.  End of story.

[B-Man]

 

THE DAM IS BREAKING:  

 

Coca Cola’s “woke” general counsel is out.

 

https://www.law.com/corpcounsel/2021/04/21/coca-colas-bradley-gayton-out-as-general-counsel-chief-compliance-officer-takes-role/?cmp=share_twitter&slreturn=20210321174552

 

 

This is the guy who wanted at least 15% of the lawyer time billed  to Coca Cola by law firms to be for African American lawyers.

 

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

And I will rebut with several  things:

 

1.  January 6th people in the other side of the equation tried not just to “cancel culture “(as some of you would put it) but cancel the Democratic process.  Each side does this kind of political crap trying to influence corporations as I have already listed.
 

2.  I have said repeatedly that protests are good but violence cannot be tolerated.  So has the current President.

 

3.  Home Depot can make its decision then the market will act.  If they come out in favor of voting rights in general they’ll win some customers and lose others.  And if they come out in favor of the change in law, same thing will happen.  The idea that a large company like Home Depot will fall over this is a wild guess.

And those in agreement with a Home Depot or a Steven King rally to their cause.

Violence will not be tolerated except for the 100+ nights on the 30 or so cities. But well done equating Billions of dollars of damage and  tens of thousands if not hundred of thousands of life's ruined of innocent people to hundreds of dollars and most people who were in the Capitol arrested. What happened on DC is unacceptable but the comparison is absurd. Also I am not stating Home Depot will fail, I am stating it will close the locations in cities and then be called racist for only existing where they make profits. Lastly as for Biden he took literally months to denounce the violence being perpetrated by democrat voters but many people- I think you are one- blasted for trump for not responding within minutes on January 6th, your standards seem to be real different depending on the party.

[BillStime]

 

 

[oldmanfan]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Violence will not be tolerated except for the 100+ nights on the 30 or so cities. But well done equating Billions of dollars of damage and  tens of thousands if not hundred of thousands of life's ruined of innocent people to hundreds of dollars and most people who were in the Capitol arrested. What happened on DC is unacceptable but the comparison is absurd. Also I am not stating Home Depot will fail, I am stating it will close the locations in cities and then be called racist for only existing where they make profits. Lastly as for Biden he took literally months to denounce the violence being perpetrated by democrat voters but many people- I think you are one- blasted for trump for not responding within minutes on January 6th, your standards seem to be real different depending on the party.

I immediately denounced the riots.  Protests are fine, looting and such is not.  And as bad as they were they do not compare to trying to overthrow our government.  And we had our President watching it on TV.

 

Home Depot will do what they do.  I have stated I don’t like the tactic but that both political sides pressure corporations and have given examples.  Why is it bad when liberals do it but not conservatives?

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I immediately denounced the riots.  Protests are fine, looting and such is not.  And as bad as they were they do not compare to trying to overthrow our government.  And we had our President watching it on TV.

 

Home Depot will do what they do.  I have stated I don’t like the tactic but that both political sides pressure corporations and have given examples.  Why is it bad when liberals do it but not conservatives?

You can give me an example where conservatives boycotted a business for NOT having a political opinion? I am curious if you can show me one. Once again your side had CHAZ which has stated it did not recognize the President, the big difference is no one was arrested. Your point about "both sides" is really blunted when your side response to all the liberal rage is not to punish the people who do it.

[SectionC3]

On 4/10/2021 at 9:31 AM, Chef Jim said:

If it’s to be considered Jim Crow wouldn’t have to adversely affect only Black people. Or target only black people?  I’ll answer for you. YES!  Now on to the proof you must have to come to this conclusion.  

The Jim Crow on steroids one. 

 

Can you identify the bill?  I need a number or a session law identifier to make sure that we're talking about the same thing.  You've (allegedly) read the bill of which you speak, so it shouldn't be too hard to come up with the information.  Unfortunately I have no choice but to seek such details given your history as an unrepentant hoaxer and your recent crowy behavior.  I eagerly await your response, Chef Jim Crow. 

15 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You can't win sometimes.  You offer no opinion you're attacked.  Remember silence is violence?  You offer the wrong opinion you're attacked.  

 

Now we're playing the victimization game?  Cool.  I didn't think you were a snowflake.  Maybe I was wrong.  

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

You can give me an example where conservatives boycotted a business for NOT having a political opinion? I am curious if you can show me one. Once again your side had CHAZ which has stated it did not recognize the President, the big difference is no one was arrested. Your point about "both sides" is really blunted when your side response to all the liberal rage is not to punish the people who do it.

You guys like to pretend that there’s a difference between liberals protesting or boycotting when a corporation doesn’t do what they want vs. conservatives.  You create a false distinction between a group deciding what it wants and pressuring a corporation to comply vs. a corporation setting a policy and then a group pressuring them to comply to their wishes.  In the end it is the same thing:  people threatening a boycott to achieve their political wish.  Trying to create some false difference is amusing, almost as amusing as McConnell telling corporations to stay out of politics given his career.  
 

As for the protests and such, I have said riots should not be condoned regardless of who does it.  You want to pretend O didn’t say that fine.  Just like you can pretend that some of them did not involve the Boogaloo boys.

 

The value of being an Independent like me is that it’s easy to see the silliness of positions taken by those on the extreme of either side of the political spectrum.

[wnyguy]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

 

 

The value of being an Independent like me is that it’s easy to see the silliness of positions taken by those on the extreme of either side of the political spectrum.

That's a great position to be in, everyones wrong but you

[RiotAct]

13 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

should have added some KKK hoods to the elephants, amirite?

[Governor]

18 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Except for the fact that "cancel" culture comes along with riots and violence. If I don't like baseballs stance I simply stop watching, if a cancel warrior dislikes a stance they physically harm those that disagree. I have a whole summer of riots to prove my point.

The last line is how fascism works- you either fully agree with me or I will destroy you. Soon the home depot's will close in the cities and then they will be racist for making business decisions.

Do you know where that behavior started? Bullying in schools. It just expanded throughout our entire culture.

 

We went from trying to protect victims, to using that victimhood and attacking others.

Edited April 22, 2021 by The Governor

[oldmanfan]

15 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

That's a great position to be in, everyones wrong but you

Not always wrong, but extreme views on either side never take into account their hypocrisy.

[wnyguy]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Not always wrong, but extreme views on either side never take into account their hypocrisy.

Aren't we all prejudiced by our own experiences and environment?

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, wnyguy said:

Aren't we all prejudiced by our own experiences and environment?

Somewhat.  Maturity hopefully allows one to see through his or her prejudices and acknowledge that, in the political spectrum, neither side is ever 100% right or wrong.

[wnyguy]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Somewhat.  Maturity hopefully allows one to see through his or her prejudices and acknowledge that, in the political spectrum, neither side is ever 100% right or wrong.

I would agree with you there and may I add that your posts sometimes make me stop and think.

[BillStime]

17 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

should have added some KKK hoods to the elephants, amirite?

 

[oldmanfan]

17 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

I would agree with you there and may I add that your posts sometimes make me stop and think.

As do yours 

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, The Governor said:

Do you know where that behavior started? Bullying in schools. It just expanded throughout our entire culture.

 

We went from trying to protect victims, to using that victimhood and attacking others.

I am not sure what you mean at all- do you think that cancel culture is an extension of bullying? Or that people cling to victimhood so they can use it to attack others? I am not necessarily disagreeing just looking for clarification.

[Governor]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I am not sure what you mean at all- do you think that cancel culture is an extension of bullying? Or that people cling to victimhood so they can use it to attack others? I am not necessarily disagreeing just looking for clarification.

Yes. When the schools started addressing bullying, the social workers and school shrinks went from simply trying to protect people being bullied to launching attacks on the bully. They gather around the person being bullied and use that victimhood to destroy the bully.

 

Those tactics are just expanded to the Twitterverse and pretty much everywhere you look these days.

[Chef Jim]

5 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Can you identify the bill?  I need a number or a session law identifier to make sure that we're talking about the same thing.  You've (allegedly) read the bill of which you speak, so it shouldn't be too hard to come up with the information.  Unfortunately I have no choice but to seek such details given your history as an unrepentant hoaxer and your recent crowy behavior.  I eagerly await your response, Chef Jim Crow. 

 

Now we're playing the victimization game?  Cool.  I didn't think you were a snowflake.  Maybe I was wrong.  

 

Yes I can identify the bill.  You're a lawyer.  Look it up.   

 

What makes the bill racists?  That's the question I posed to you some time ago which you've somehow failed to or refused to answer.   Once we get that off the table we can proceed.  Until then carry on.