whatdrought Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, frostbitmic said: Saints need a lot, I almost went with Barmore there but I think Collins can be a 3 down LB. They also start a couple of AARP members in their secondary with a 33 yr old CB and Safety. Next round maybe. I like the pick. He and Damario Davis make a nice combo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: For instance, Lance Zeirline at NFL.com had Tyson Campbell from Georgia as one of his top 5 CB’s. I like Campbell, and i usually trust LZ, but most everyone else has him at like 10th CB. I have him as #5 too. EDIT: Not sure how people have suddenly propelled Stokes over him. Edited March 28, 2021 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 31 minutes ago, Virgil said: @Reed83HOF With the 29th pick in the draft The Green Bay Packers select Christian Barmore iDL, Alabama Paired with Kenny Clark and the Smith's we will have a penetrating front 4 with strong pressure up the middle. While we still need help at WR and CB, the depth at the part of the draft and the players on our board, Barmore stands out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 @Reed83HOF @YoloinOhio @whatdrought Who you got for BPA? I’m going to make the poll shortly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Virgil said: @Reed83HOF @YoloinOhio @whatdrought Who you got for BPA? I’m going to make the poll shortly Carlos Basham! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 The 2 RBs, maybe Asante Jr, Friermuth, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Virgil said: You may have just angered some Bills fans quite likely, myself included! 4 minutes ago, Virgil said: @Reed83HOF @YoloinOhio @whatdrought Who you got for BPA? I’m going to make the poll shortly perhaps Gil Brant's top 100 as a guide: https://www.nfl.com/news/gil-brandt-s-hot-100-1-0-top-prospects-in-2021-nfl-draft-class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: The 2 RBs, maybe Asante Jr, Friermuth, As mentioned above, LB JOK too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: @Reed83HOF @YoloinOhio @whatdrought Who you got for BPA? I’m going to make the poll shortly a DL perhaps like Levi Onwuzurike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Must have Edge/ DE choices Phillips, Tryon, Basham, Owah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, TPS said: As mentioned above, LB JOK too I'm reaching a lil based in need, CBS are a bit picked through, and I like the TE. Just don't expect much out of the TE for a few seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Virgil said: @Reed83HOF @YoloinOhio @whatdrought Who you got for BPA? I’m going to make the poll shortly From what I read on TBD: WR: Toney, Bateman, Moore RB: Harris, Etienne TE: Freiermuth OT: Mayfield OG: Davis DE: Phillips, Oweh, Ossai, Basham LB: Owusu-Koramoah CB: Stokes, Samuel I know that is too much overall but all these guys were discussed a lot (except maybe Bateman/JOK who were mocked higher). I know it will not happen, but I suggest to make position poll (with these or other names in brackets), and then make player poll (if there are more reasonable players at that position). Edited March 28, 2021 by No_Matter_What 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just looking at the picks so far I think this draft is pretty clearly a draft with around 18/20 consensus players. The first half of the first round is pretty settled. Of the first 19 picks the only one that ranked as a reach against my current board was Mac Jones who went at #15 and I have currently ranked at #32 - which as a reach for a Quarterback is a pretty understandable and normal sort of move. However, from pick 20 on the player rankings by my current board are: 20 - #46 21 - #41 22 - #18 23 - #52 24 - #55 25 - #16 26 - #51 27 - #42 28 - #25 I don't say any of that to have a dig at any of the guys as GMs for those teams. I'd be pretty surprised if Chazz Surratt or Javonta Williams ended up as first round picks but I think all of the guys people have taken in those spots have at least some chance to be first rounders. Rather, my point is when people ask me the question - as they seem to every year - "there are 32 picks in round 1 how can you say you only have 17 or 18 first round grades?" my answer is because there is a clear drop off in talent. There is a group of guys in every draft who are absolutely clear first round talents and are generally, especially for non-QBs, pretty scheme agnostic..... in a really good year that number is low 20s... most years it's high teens. The next group of players that comes after that generally there is a lot more divergence not just from amateur graders like me or the network talking heads but from teams too. I take someone like Asante Samuel who I discussed elsewhere earlier as an example. I imagine he is a lot higher on Tampa's board than on Buffalo's. It becomes very much about scheme and fit. Same with someone like Jayson Oweh from Penn State - great testing numbers at his pro day but there will still be 4 man front teams who look at him and conclude "too small to be an every down player" and drop him down the board because of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said: From what I read on TBD: WR Toney, Bateman, Moore RB Harris, Etienne TE: Freiermuth OT: Mayfield OG: Davis DE: Phillips, Oweh, Ossai, Basham LB: Owusu-Koramoah CB: Stokes, Samuel I know that is too much overall but all these guys were discussed a lot (except maybe Bateman/JOK who were mocked higher). I know it will not happen, but I suggest to make position poll (with these or other names in brackets), and then make player poll (if there are more reasonable players at that position). Toney is interesting, I think he could be great for GB, but he seems a little to busty for my likes for a team that needs to not miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I have him as #5 too. EDIT: Not sure how people have suddenly propelled Stokes over him. Especially for our D. Speed, height and length galore. If Newsome is gone I could see us drafting him @30. He’s really the only other corner out of the top 4 that I could see Beane selecting @30. He certainly won’t be there @ 62 and might get snagged if we trade back a few spots to acquire an additional pick while grabbing the best CB available 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, Virgil said: @Reed83HOF @YoloinOhio @whatdrought Who you got for BPA? I’m going to make the poll shortly JOK is sticking out so far on my board that I almost feel like a poll is offensive 😛 The top 5 BPA by my board FWIW is: 1. JOK 2. Christian Barmore 3. Kadarius Toney 4. Alex Leatherwood 5. Travis Etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Virgil said: @Reed83HOF @YoloinOhio @whatdrought Who you got for BPA? I’m going to make the poll shortly If you wanted to put down 5: Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Kadarius Toney Travis Etienne Najee Harris Jaelan Phillips I think those are the 5 consensus best players available. Edited March 28, 2021 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: a DL perhaps like Levi Onwuzurike Please no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If you wanted to put down 5: Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Kadarious Toney Travis Etienne Najee Harris Jaelan Phillips I think those are the 5 consensus best players available. I’m going to do a top 10. Top 2 at stated positions or interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: JOK is sticking out so far on my board that I almost feel like a poll is offensive 😛 The top 5 BPA by my board FWIW is: 1. JOK 2. Christian Barmore 3. Kadarius Toney 4. Alex Leatherwood 5. Travis Etienne Barmore was picked at 29. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Toney is interesting, I think he could be great for GB, but he seems a little to busty for my likes for a team that needs to not miss I only wanted to help Virgil to list players in my post, I didn't express any opinions. But I find it interesting that I think completely the opposite. I think we are exactly that team who should take risks and draft high ceiling guys. Just now, GunnerBill said: JOK is sticking out so far on my board that I almost feel like a poll is offensive 😛 The top 5 BPA by my board FWIW is: 1. JOK 2. Christian Barmore 3. Kadarius Toney 4. Alex Leatherwood 5. Travis Etienne Barmore plays for Packers already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: JOK is sticking out so far on my board that I almost feel like a poll is offensive 😛 The top 5 BPA by my board FWIW is: 1. JOK 2. Christian Barmore 3. Kadarius Toney 4. Alex Leatherwood 5. Travis Etienne McD would be salivating to finally get his Big Nickel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 @Virgil Last year when Hokie was running the spreadsheet for the trades mock I gave him my top 100 players list as well that he included alongside Matt Miller and possibly DJ and someone else. It is by no means a finished article at this point but I can let you have it where it is for the trades one if people would find helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, No_Matter_What said: I only wanted to help Virgil to list players in my post, I didn't express any opinions. But I find it interesting that I think completely the opposite. I think we are exactly that team who should take risks and draft high ceiling guys. Barmore plays for Packers already. Oh I wasn't implying you were. I just wanted to toss out to the forum that I considered him and he could be a fit there. THE Packers did nothing in the draft last year to help Rodgers, hence my comment they need a player who has less of a bust chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said: Barmore plays for Packers already. Ah yes he has just gone.... Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia would become the 5th guy on my top 5 BPA in that case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: From what I read on TBD: WR: Toney, Bateman, Moore RB: Harris, Etienne TE: Freiermuth OT: Mayfield OG: Davis DE: Phillips, Oweh, Ossai, Basham LB: Owusu-Koramoah CB: Stokes, Samuel I know that is too much overall but all these guys were discussed a lot (except maybe Bateman/JOK who were mocked higher). I know it will not happen, but I suggest to make position poll (with these or other names in brackets), and then make player poll (if there are more reasonable players at that position). Good list: i don’t see Basham, Moore, Samuel as in play. I’d add leatherwood and Tyson Campbell 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, NewEra said: Please no why please no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) JOK would be my pick in a no trade down situation. BPA and is so versatile. Might be a strange fit but we’d have to get creative and switch things up.....which is exactly what we need on D Toney and Phillips would be a coin toss for next best pick Imo Edited March 28, 2021 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m going to do a top 10. Top 2 at stated positions or interest In that case I'd look at the top 2 at WR, O-line, CB, RB, LB, and edge rusher. I know that would be top 12 instead of 10 but any one of those positions is in play. And my list would look like this: O-line - Landon Dickerson, Jalen Mayfield (some would put Alex Leatherwood instead of Mayfield) WR - Kadarius Toney, Rashod Bateman CB - Tyson Campbell, Eric Stokes RB - Travis Etienne, Najee Harris LB - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Baron Browning Edge rusher - Jaelan Phillips, Joseph Ossai Although to Gunner's point if the board falls like this I'll be shocked if the pick is anybody other than Owusu-Koramoah. Edited March 28, 2021 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Good list: i don’t see Basham, Moore, Samuel as in play. I’d add leatherwood and Tyson Campbell I mentioned Moore since he gets mocked to us a lot in Mock Draft SImulator thread IIRC (presumably because Toney is not available already). Basham has some strong supporters here too Samuel was mocked to us in at least two different mock from talking heads I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: Good list: i don’t see Basham, Moore, Samuel as in play. I’d add leatherwood and Tyson Campbell Basham and if we’re talking Purdue’s Moore are both going to be studs in this league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 most mocks I've seen have OL, Edge, LB, CB, or RB to us at this spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I mentioned Moore since he gets mocked to us a lot in Mock Draft SImulator thread IIRC (presumably because Toney is not available already). Basham has some strong supporters here too Samuel was mocked to us in at least two different mock from talking heads I think. Any talking heads mocking Asante to us are lazy. He is a man only corner. The Bills play zone. I'd be stunned and I mean stunned if he is the Bills pick at #30. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I mentioned Moore since he gets mocked to us a lot in Mock Draft SImulator thread IIRC (presumably because Toney is not available already). Basham has some strong supporters here too Samuel was mocked to us in at least two different mock from talking heads I think. right, toney is available....so moore is a no Basham isn’t even close to being the best pass rushing DE available....and that’s what we need. Pass rush samuel jr is a man corner and we rarely play man, while Stokes and Campbell are much better suited for the D that we play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I’d make a bet that if both have healthy careers Moore has the more successful one over Toney. Kid has something special kind of like a Percy Harvin or Tyreke Hill lite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: right, toney is available....so moore is a no Basham isn’t even close to being the best pass rushing DE available....and that’s what we need. Pass rush samuel jr is a man corner and we rarely play man, while Stokes and Campbell are much better suited for the D that we play. Campbell and Joseph are my next two corners and I think both are good fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 If not Basham, Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah is the obvious pick here. He’s a better version of Kyle Dugger. May be a bit undersized but boy does he hit hard. Stud safety/linebacker hybrid. Yes, please. Will be a difference maker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 Please vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, NeverOutNick said: I’d make a bet that if both have healthy careers Moore has the more successful one over Toney. Kid has something special kind of like a Percy Harvin or Tyreke Hill lite Percy Harvin had something special? Really? I must have missed that day. One of the most overrated players I have ever seen in the NFL. How many 1,000 yard receiving seasons did he have? It is a very round number. Rondale Moore does have talent, and he does have speed.... but he has also played 7 games over the last two years. Whether he is even capable of being the guy he was as a freshman at this point is a question mark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Any talking heads mocking Asante to us are lazy. He is a man only corner. The Bills play zone. I'd be stunned and I mean stunned if he is the Bills pick at #30. I didn't include him. He wasn't even close to BPA at his position for our selection 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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