Another week, another mass murder

[Unforgiven]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/5-people-dead-including-2-children-in-south-carolina-mass-shooting/ar-BB1fqazW?li=BBnb7Kz

Suspect in mass shooting that killed 5 played in the NFL

 

 

 

This one doesn't count, the victims were a family of 5, white and privileged, I'm sure tibs will

shrug and intimate they were racist.

[Boatdrinks]

On 3/23/2021 at 8:11 AM, Backintheday544 said:

Rarely happens in the UK with strict gun laws, no one on the right ever mentions that.

 

Rare in Australia which has strict gun laws, don’t see you mention that.

So criminals obey laws ? Damn, murder should be unheard of as it’s against the law. How about enforce existing laws, be extremely tough on crime by locking criminals up for long periods of time , and quit worrying about law abiding citizens doing what they are constitutionally allowed to do. Things such as bearing arms. 

[B-Man]

 

Washington Post, giving the game away.

 

 

 

[SoTier]

The beat goes on.  Eight dead in a Fed Ex facility in a mass shooting in Indianapolis.  The gunman killed himself when confronted by police.

 

[Niagara Bill]

On 4/11/2021 at 4:16 PM, Boatdrinks said:

So criminals obey laws ? Damn, murder should be unheard of as it’s against the law. How about enforce existing laws, be extremely tough on crime by locking criminals up for long periods of time , and quit worrying about law abiding citizens doing what they are constitutionally allowed to do. Things such as bearing arms. 

The US already has the greatest percentage of citizens in jail in the world. Increasing that number may help, but it does show a societal problem that needs to be understood. 

On 4/1/2021 at 11:39 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yeah the altleftsheep ‘know’ AR stands for assault rifle.  Probably a poor marketing choice or just unforeseen outcome by ArmaLite but your call out is appropriate. 
 

it’s not their fault. They are low functioning sycophants that can’t see past the rouse they are getting sold. 
 

I tend to pity them more than anything. It’s gotta feel oppressive to literally have your own thoughts predetermined for you by some political agenda. 

Then what is the solution? Status quo is not working!

[Tiberius]

54 minutes ago, SoTier said:

The beat goes on.  Eight dead in a Fed Ex facility in a mass shooting in Indianapolis.  The gunman killed himself when confronted by police.

 

Police responded just after 11 p.m. to reports of shots fired. Upon arriving at the facility, officers came in contact with an active shooter, police said. The gunman then apparently killed himself.

The authorities were still working to confirm the identities of the shooter and the victims.

Eight victims were pronounced dead at the scene. Five people were taken to hospitals, including one person in critical condition, police said. Two others were treated at the scene.

As investigators search for a motive, Indianapolis Deputy Police Chief Craig McCartt said the shooting “wasn’t precipitated by any kind of a disturbance or an argument.”

It was the fifth mass shooting in the United States in as many weeks, following massacres at three spas in metro Atlanta; a supermarket in Boulder, Colo.; a Southern California office building; and a private residence in South Carolina.

Despite the pandemic, 2020 was the deadliest year for U.S. gun violence in at least two decades.

[Orlando Tim]

43 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

The US already has the greatest percentage of citizens in jail in the world. Increasing that number may help, but it does show a societal problem that needs to be understood. 

Then what is the solution? 

The three biggest commonalities of going to jail- male, no father figures, and "wrong" zip code. If you have all three your chances of going to jail are very high. If you are my daughter it is basically 0. We can't fix the male part, we can fix the zip code thing a little bit but the lack of father's is a hard one to tackle. I truly think you mean well but unless we are going to combat the largest indicators we are tilting at windmills.

[Niagara Bill]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

The three biggest commonalities of going to jail- male, no father figures, and "wrong" zip code. If you have all three your chances of going to jail are very high. If you are my daughter it is basically 0. We can't fix the male part, we can fix the zip code thing a little bit but the lack of father's is a hard one to tackle. I truly think you mean well but unless we are going to combat the largest indicators we are tilting at windmills.

Then how do you combat it? Zip code = poverty, drugs, gangs, single parent families, education challenges, high density, ???

[aristocrat]

cnn is crossing their fingers it's a white guy

[Tiberius]

30 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

cnn is crossing their fingers it's a white guy

Says who? 

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Says who? 

 

even you're not this ignorant.  but again perhaps you are.  

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

even you're not this ignorant.  but again perhaps you are.  

You made the ignorant claim and got called on it. Ignorant! 

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You made the ignorant claim and got called on it. Ignorant! 

 

you recall a couple shootings ago where it was reported as a white guy and turned out to be the syrian guy?  all the buzz because he wasn't killed and it's "always a white guy".  is your memory that short?   

[Wacka]

AR stands for "Armalite Rifle" yje company that first made them.

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

You made the ignorant claim and got called on it. Ignorant! 

 

I could give two shitts about the ethnicity of the suspect - I continue to focus on the need for sensible gun legislation.

 

Gun nuts focus on the ethnicity to deter the discussion of further gun legislation.

 

 

[aristocrat]

10 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

I could give two shitts about the ethnicity of the suspect - I continue to focus on the need for sensible gun legislation.

 

Gun nuts focus on the ethnicity to deter the discussion of further gun legislation.

 

 

i also do not care about his race.  i'm pointing out how cnn will run the story like crazy if it's a white guy but if it's a minority the story dies that day.  

[Orlando Tim]

53 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Then how do you combat it? Zip code = poverty, drugs, gangs, single parent families, education challenges, high density, ???

It is the cycle that someone in the family must break. You can look all around but good parents make the largest difference. I have poor students with great parents who are going places and rich students with parents who kowtow to their every wish, who are going to have issues. You can't force parents to be good and schools have little recourse otherwise.

[Tiberius]

 Damn! 45 mass shooting in last month 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/16/us/mass-shootings-45-one-month/index.html

[Unforgiven]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

i also do not care about his race.  i'm pointing out how cnn will run the story like crazy if it's a white guy but if it's a minority the story dies that day.  

It shouldn't matter, and yet you can almost guess from the media reaction - info leaks it's a white guy

..story breaks in minutes or hours...if it's a black guy they hold back for as long as possible.

Very odd it's not on yahoo.com at all.

The media is flat out dishonest and stokes discord in the US.

Edited April 16, 2021 by Unforgiven

[B-Man]

CNN’s Ana Cabrera reported that the suspect, Brandon Scott Hole, was on authorities’ radar before the mass shooting. “Authorities were warned about FedEx suspect’s potential for violence in the past, sources say,” she wrote on Twitter. “The suspect in the Indianapolis mass shooting was known to federal and local authorities prior to the attack.”

 

 

Intelligence is useless unless acted upon.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

18 minutes ago, B-Man said:

CNN’s Ana Cabrera reported that the suspect, Brandon Scott Hole, was on authorities’ radar before the mass shooting. “Authorities were warned about FedEx suspect’s potential for violence in the past, sources say,” she wrote on Twitter. “The suspect in the Indianapolis mass shooting was known to federal and local authorities prior to the attack.”

 

 

Intelligence is useless unless acted upon.

No pictures yet. I smell a narrative misfit. 

[Chef Jim]

19 minutes ago, B-Man said:

CNN’s Ana Cabrera reported that the suspect, Brandon Scott Hole, was on authorities’ radar before the mass shooting. “Authorities were warned about FedEx suspect’s potential for violence in the past, sources say,” she wrote on Twitter. “The suspect in the Indianapolis mass shooting was known to federal and local authorities prior to the attack.”

 

 

Intelligence is useless unless acted upon.

Looks like another person with access to guns who likely should not have. Stop blaming the weapon and let’s focus on the brain attached to the trigger. 

[B-Man]

A 19-year-old, known to the police from previous violent acts, who seems to have no social media presence. 

 

 

Also some news sites saying he was fired the day before, but unsubstantiated.

[Chef Jim]

18 minutes ago, B-Man said:

A 19-year-old, known to the police from previous violent acts, who seems to have no social media presence. 

 

 

Also some news sites saying he was fired the day before, but unsubstantiated.

I fired a guy from a restaurant where I worked. He murdered his girlfriend and said it all went downhill when he was fired from his job. 😬

[Motorin']

10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I fired a guy from a restaurant where I worked. He murdered his girlfriend and said it all went downhill when he was fired from his job. 😬

 

I worked on a project that dove into the prevalance of work place violence. It was eye opening. 

 

It is one amongst a number of major life events that seem to trigger violence episodes. 

 

Taking a step back, I think everyone can agree that our country has a problem with violence... 

Edited April 16, 2021 by Motorin'

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I worked on a project that dove into the prevalance of work place violence. It was eye opening. 

 

It is one amongst a number of major life events that seem to trigger violence episodes. 

 

Taking a step back, I think everyone can agree that our country has a problem with violence... 

 

I was freaked out wondering how close I was to being his next target. 
 

Ran in the family. This was in California but his brother was in Attica (where I grew up) for murder. 

[Motorin']

13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I was freaked out wondering how close I was to being his next target. 
 

Ran in the family. This was in California but his brother was in Attica (where I grew up) for murder. 

 

I can imagine. sheesh... 

 

I have family out that way, ever see this? https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8564622,-78.5558234,3a,17.6y,117.96h,85.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stTTqapPURo6m7MCEY0PKBw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.856583,-78.5556041,3a,66.2y,164.15h,79.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS_aK7hVn9fVV8vZVKY3YiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Edited April 16, 2021 by Motorin'

[SoTier]

40 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Looks like another person with access to guns who likely should not have. Stop blaming the weapon and let’s focus on the brain attached to the trigger. 

 

Really?  And how do you propose to do that?

[Chef Jim]

42 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I can imagine. sheesh... 

 

I have family out that way, ever see this? https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8564622,-78.5558234,3a,17.6y,117.96h,85.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stTTqapPURo6m7MCEY0PKBw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.856583,-78.5556041,3a,66.2y,164.15h,79.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS_aK7hVn9fVV8vZVKY3YiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

I've driven by it many times yes.  

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Really?  And how do you propose to do that?

 

Well let me lay this out again

 

1.  Make it a requirement to have gun permits renewed on a regular basis.   Requiring deep dive background checks and going through a CE style classes in order to renew the permit

2.  You fail the background check and it is determined (not sure what the metrics would be) that you could be a threat to yourself or others you lose your permit.  Do you lose your guns at that time?  I would think so.  

3.  There should be deep dives into a person's background before they get their first weapon and renew their permit.  Including but not limited to social media and interviews of people you are associated with  

 

None of my ideas restricts the access to firearms by people of sound mind.  

 

You and others on the left can wring your hands and focus on the weapons of choice and not the brain that chose to use it for harm. 

Edited April 16, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Well let me lay this out again

 

1.  Make it a requirement to have gun permits renewed on a regular basis.   Requiring deep dive background checks and going through a CE style classes in order to renew the permit

2.  You fail the background check and it is determined (not sure what the metrics would be) that you could be a threat to yourself or others you lose your permit.  Do you lose your guns at that time?  I would think so.  

3.  There should be deep dives into a person's background before they get their first weapon and renew their permit.  Including but not limited to social media and interviews of people you are associated with  

 

None of my ideas restricts the access to firearms by people of sound mind.  

Very similar in Europe. License/permit  requires demonstration of completed safety training. Gun violence is much better. 
 

anyone want to bet this sort of policy would not only be rejected the the seconders and but called the R word too? 

[Motorin']

13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Well let me lay this out again

 

1.  Make it a requirement to have gun permits renewed on a regular basis.   Requiring deep dive background checks and going through a CE style classes in order to renew the permit

2.  You fail the background check and it is determined (not sure what the metrics would be) that you could be a threat to yourself or others you lose your permit.  Do you lose your guns at that time?  I would think so.  

3.  There should be deep dives into a person's background before they get their first weapon and renew their permit.  Including but not limited to social media and interviews of people you are associated with  

 

None of my ideas restricts the access to firearms by people of sound mind.  

 

You and others on the left can wring your hands and focus on the weapons of choice and not the brain that chose to use it for harm. 

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 99.9% of the anti-gun control right wing would consider your reasonable and solution oriented suggestions highly unconstitutional and bordering on tyranny. 

[Orlando Tim]

23 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Well let me lay this out again

 

1.  Make it a requirement to have gun permits renewed on a regular basis.   Requiring deep dive background checks and going through a CE style classes in order to renew the permit

2.  You fail the background check and it is determined (not sure what the metrics would be) that you could be a threat to yourself or others you lose your permit.  Do you lose your guns at that time?  I would think so.  

3.  There should be deep dives into a person's background before they get their first weapon and renew their permit.  Including but not limited to social media and interviews of people you are associated with  

 

None of my ideas restricts the access to firearms by people of sound mind.  

 

You and others on the left can wring your hands and focus on the weapons of choice and not the brain that chose to use it for harm. 

Here are the two major issues with your proposal

1) cost, who is doing this research? Do we really want to give govt more reason to spend money?

2) I will tell you the reason being on a FBI watchlist is not enough to stop buying a gun. I had a friend who was on the FBI watch list because he and his cousin had the same name and his cousin was a questionable person back in Syria, therefore every time he flew he was searched and patted down. This went on for at least 5 years while we were traveling for work. 

 

I do not have a good answer but with our privacy laws it is difficult to determine how to keep guns out of bad guys hands.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 99.9% of the anti-gun control right wing would consider your reasonable and solution oriented suggestions highly unconstitutional and bordering on tyranny. 

probably 100%. But what percent of the population is anti gun control right wing? 

[Unforgiven]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

No pictures yet. I smell a narrative misfit. 

Like everything else with the dnc 'they are working on it'.

[ALF]

They need much better back round  checks with interview of family and friends. Then tell family and employer to report any changes in the future.

[Motorin']

8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

probably 100%. But what percent of the population is anti gun control right wing? 

 

100% of R's elected to Congress? 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Very similar in Europe. License/permit  requires demonstration of completed safety training. Gun violence is much better. 
 

anyone want to bet this sort of policy would not only be rejected the the seconders and but called the R word too? 

 

My wife and I never owned a weapon before.  The story has been told here many times.  We bought a home in Oakland and after 12 months we were broken in to.  My wife had it.  We bought weapons, security systems, security cams and a safe for valuables and the guns when we were not home.  We took courses, practiced a lot (good friend was a gun dealer so he took us out shooting a lot).  We also took a home invasion course because the original owners of our home were victims of this. Tied up and beaten for 6 hours.  I'm sorry but you break in my place you're getting nowhere near me to tie me or my wife up.  We discussed how we'd handle the situation should it happen.  Who would shine the high powered light to blind the intruder and who'd shoot the mother effer.  

 

Our security cam caught all sorts of crazy ***** on our street.  Strangers coming to our door at night needing to use our phone etc.  And this home is a million dollar home. This ain't the ghetto.  We now live back in OC and we sleep with doors and windows open.  So many people have no idea how crazy it is out there. And the police are not there to help us. We are often on our own.  Another story from Oakland.  My motion detector went off one day while I was at work.  The security company asked if I wanted the PD to swing by and take a look.  I said sure. They came 14 hours later in the middle of the night and just peeked in the windows and said "nothing looks disheveled"  Well we could have been dead in the back bedroom.  This is why many of us own weapons. 

31 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 99.9% of the anti-gun control right wing would consider your reasonable and solution oriented suggestions highly unconstitutional and bordering on tyranny. 

 

It's what many professionals have to go through to get and keep their licenses to practice.  I do.  Well not the social media/friends and family background checks. 

I've had many "anti-gun control right wingers" here agree with my proposal.  So you may be a bit high with your 99.9% number. 

12 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

100% of R's elected to Congress? 

 

I know you ended this point with a question mark but you're basing this on what exactly?  

[Chef Jim]

18 minutes ago, ALF said:

They need much better back round  checks with interview of family and friends. Then tell family and employer to report any changes in the future.

 

NO!!  No one is reporting anything!!  That is the slipperiest of slippery slops.  The checks are done annually when the permit is renewed.  

 

How do we staff and fund this? EASY.  Simplify the tax code and move the IRS staff to this.  Ever since Trump doubled the standard deduction a vast majority of the returns I see are super basic.  Imagine how fewer people we'd need in the IRS if we simplified it even further. 

26 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Here are the two major issues with your proposal

1) cost, who is doing this research? Do we really want to give govt more reason to spend money?

2) I will tell you the reason being on a FBI watchlist is not enough to stop buying a gun. I had a friend who was on the FBI watch list because he and his cousin had the same name and his cousin was a questionable person back in Syria, therefore every time he flew he was searched and patted down. This went on for at least 5 years while we were traveling for work. 

 

I do not have a good answer but with our privacy laws it is difficult to determine how to keep guns out of bad guys hands.

 

 

 

See my reply above on who does the research. Trust me there are likely thousands of government employees with their thumbs up their asses that could be on this. 

[ALF]

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

NO!!  No one is reporting anything!!  That is the slipperiest of slippery slops.  The checks are done annually when the permit is renewed.  

 

 

The family of the Indiana shooter reported him as a danger , the FBI closed his case. If you see something say something, right.