Biden's Foreign Policy Already GettING Results

[B-Man]

https://nypost.com/2021/02/26/bidens-getting-exactly-the-border-crisis-he-asked-for/

 

 

 

EVERYTHING IS GOING SWIMMINGLY: Biden’s getting exactly the border crisis he asked for.

 

On Thursday, a Customs and Border Protection staffer reportedly told top Biden administration officials to expect a peak of 13,000 unaccompanied minors to cross the border in May — the highest level ever.

 

“We’re seeing the highest February numbers [that] we’ve ever seen in the history of the [Unaccompanied Alien Child] program,” a Department of Health and Human Services official told Axios.

 

That’s right: a crisis worse than the one that brought the “kids in cages” backlash under President Donald Trump, and the earlier crises that prompted the building of those “cages” under President Barack Obama.

 

And it’s a crisis that we and others warned would come, as soon as President Biden started reversing every Trump border policy, even those clearly responsible for producing historic lows in illegal crossers, and returning to Obama policies that first triggered the unprecedented waves of children crossing without family.

 

Now Biden’s having to reopen shelters to house the kids until the feds can figure out what to do with them — shelters that his usual allies denounced as horrors in the Trump years. Yet, says White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki, “There are very few good options here, and we chose the one we thought is best.”

 

That’s only because her boss already rejected the option of trying to ensure they don’t come here in the first place.

 

 

 

Yes.

 

[Backintheday544]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

“WHAT AM I DOING HERE?”

 

We would all like to know the answer to that question, Joe. Biden’s dementia proceeds apace:

 

 

I assume that Biden is not serving as president in any meaningful sense.

 

Normally, he would have delivered an address to a joint session of Congress by this time, like past presidents. But he hasn’t done so. The White House says that Biden will give such a speech (not technically a State of the Union, as I understand it, but functionally identical) at some point, but no date has been set. It is doubtful whether he can do it, notwithstanding that all he has to do is read.

 

 

 

Sounds like Trumps first year. No state of the union, but a joint session on 2/28/17, which would be today!

 

The only difference isn’t your weren’t questioning if Trump was really running the country.

 

I guess another big difference is Congress is in the middle of passing one of the largest bills ever but they weren’t at that time in 2017.

[Doc]

No wonder the Dems are trying to take the nukes away from Joe and pushing the 25th amendment.

[gobills404]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

“WHAT AM I DOING HERE?”

 

We would all like to know the answer to that question, Joe. Biden’s dementia proceeds apace:

 

 

I assume that Biden is not serving as president in any meaningful sense.

 

Normally, he would have delivered an address to a joint session of Congress by this time, like past presidents. But he hasn’t done so. The White House says that Biden will give such a speech (not technically a State of the Union, as I understand it, but functionally identical) at some point, but no date has been set. It is doubtful whether he can do it, notwithstanding that all he has to do is read.

 

 

 

I'm honestly starting to feel bad for Biden. He sounds like he should be in a home and instead he has to to be trotted around for the next 4-8 years like a puppet.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, gobills404 said:

I'm honestly starting to feel bad for Biden. He sounds like he should be in a home and instead he has to to be trotted around for the next 4-8 couple years like a puppet.

 

FIFY.  Doubtful he sees 4 years, much less 8.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

On 2/28/2021 at 9:49 AM, ALF said:

Israel weighs reprisal for Iranian rocket attack on freighter in context of US & Gulf ties

 

 The blasts left holes above the waterline on both sides of the hull. (See attached picture.) There were no casualties, and the vessel carried on sailing to its destination.

 

Israeli government and army chiefs maintain that this attack cannot go without response, but they understand that serious consideration is called for since hitting back at Iran may generate accelerated Iranian counterattacks that may also draw in its proxies and allies in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and the Gaza Strip. A wider confrontation may ensue with repercussions that would be hard to control.

 

https://www.debka.com/israel-weighs-reprisal-for-iranian-rocket-attack-on-freighter-in-context-of-us-gulf-ties/

I feel badly for Biden,  he's probably trying to figure out what to say to Golda as we speak.  

Edited March 1, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Unforgiven]

12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I feel badly for Biden,  he's probably trying to figure out what to say to Golda as we speak.  

Also he's concerned about getting arrested again for seeing Mandela.

[Tiberius]

Biden working with allies to go after Trump’s buddy 8n Moscow 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/01/politics/biden-administration-russia-sanctions-alexei-navalny/index.html

On 2/28/2021 at 8:05 PM, gobills404 said:

I'm honestly starting to feel bad for Biden. He sounds like he should be in a home and instead he has to to be trotted around for the next 4-8 years like a puppet.

Feeling sorry for a winner? 

 

😂 Feel sorry for all those Trump dummies that still think he’s president 😂 

[Doc]

Where are the sanctions for China over their treatment of the Uighurs?  Oh wait, that's a "different norm."

[ALF]

12 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Hmmmmmm.

 

Thats what they quickly claimed.   now ?  not so much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

John Michael Posobiec III is an American alt-right political activist, conspiracy theorist and Internet troll.

 

Posobiec is best known for his pro-Donald Trump comments on Twitter, as well as using white supremacist and antisemitic symbols and talking points, including the white genocide conspiracy theory.

 

 He has promoted fake news, including the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory claiming high-ranking Democratic Party officials were involved in a child sex ring. As of 2018, he was working as a correspondent for One America News Network, a far-right cable news television channel

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec

Edited March 2, 2021 by ALF

[B-Man]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

 

John Michael Posobiec III is an American alt-right political activist, conspiracy theorist and Internet troll.

 

Posobiec is best known for his pro-Donald Trump comments on Twitter, as well as using white supremacist and antisemitic symbols and talking points, including the white genocide conspiracy theory.

 

 He has promoted fake news, including the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory claiming high-ranking Democratic Party officials were involved in a child sex ring. As of 2018, he was working as a correspondent for One America News Network, a far-right cable news television channel

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec

 

 

All too believable.

 

No real response to information everywhere.

 

Just attack the author of the tweet..............incredibly weak response.

 

 

 

[Doc]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-forces-rockets-hit-airbase-072819861.html

 

What will Joe's response be?

[Orlando Tim]

On 3/1/2021 at 10:58 AM, B-Man said:

 

FIFY Too  It will be one year tops, then President Harris.

 

 

He will last until at least 2023 since she could run twice if she is prez less than 2 years of this term.

[Unforgiven]

Per Joe on Syria bombing:

 

“I directed this military action consistent with my responsibility to protect United States citizens

both at home and abroad and in furtherance of United States national security and foreign policy interests.”

 

 

er wait this belongs in the Biden's lies post.

[All_Pro_Bills]

19 hours ago, B-Man said:

Crazy old Uncle Joe just wandered out of the basement and onto the stage here! 

 

One subplot concerning "foreign policy already getting results" is the price action in the energy markets.  The result is you'll be paying well over $3 for gasoline soon. Crude oil prices are in an uptrend.  Supply at the margin is controlled by OPEC (with Saudi Prince MBS) and Russia (with Putin) calling the shots.  OPEC decided to keep production cuts in place this week and price rose significantly.  Who are some targets of the Biden administration so far?  Well traditional whipping boy Russia and now MSB with the intelligence report conclusions.     

 

Combine that with the decision to stop the Keystone XL pipeline and new limits on fracking and add in some life in the economy if things open up over the course of the Spring and we've got the ingredients for a price climb to around $100 a barrel and certainly gasoline prices well over $3 by Memorial Day.   

 

Yes, getting results already!       

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Crazy old Uncle Joe just wandered out of the basement and onto the stage here! 

 

One subplot concerning "foreign policy already getting results" is the price action in the energy markets.  The result is you'll be paying well over $3 for gasoline soon. Crude oil prices are in an uptrend.  Supply at the margin is controlled by OPEC (with Saudi Prince MBS) and Russia (with Putin) calling the shots.  OPEC decided to keep production cuts in place this week and price rose significantly.  Who are some targets of the Biden administration so far?  Well traditional whipping boy Russia and now MSB with the intelligence report conclusions.     

 

Combine that with the decision to stop the Keystone XL pipeline and new limits on fracking and add in some life in the economy if things open up over the course of the Spring and we've got the ingredients for a price climb to around $100 a barrel and certainly gasoline prices well over $3 by Memorial Day.   

 

Yes, getting results already!       

News flash. We’re paying $4.00 per gallon in California already!  These so called energy policies hurt poor working people far more than it does those nasty billionaires Warren is always squawking about. People are going to be pissed!

[Doc]

44 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Crazy old Uncle Joe just wandered out of the basement and onto the stage here! 

 

One subplot concerning "foreign policy already getting results" is the price action in the energy markets.  The result is you'll be paying well over $3 for gasoline soon. Crude oil prices are in an uptrend.  Supply at the margin is controlled by OPEC (with Saudi Prince MBS) and Russia (with Putin) calling the shots.  OPEC decided to keep production cuts in place this week and price rose significantly.  Who are some targets of the Biden administration so far?  Well traditional whipping boy Russia and now MSB with the intelligence report conclusions.     

 

Combine that with the decision to stop the Keystone XL pipeline and new limits on fracking and add in some life in the economy if things open up over the course of the Spring and we've got the ingredients for a price climb to around $100 a barrel and certainly gasoline prices well over $3 by Memorial Day.   

 

Yes, getting results already!       

 

I was working with an older (70) GI doc yesterday and a GI tech, both of whom are great people but railed on Trump daily.  Long story short, I mentioned that I should get more home heating oil before prices rise.  They started talking about travel, oil companies wanting profits, etc. and I said "no, it's because of the administration."  They keep pooh-poohing it but I said "this was all predictable when he was elected."  They were still unconvinced but I didn't care as I expected it.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

43 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I was working with an older (70) GI doc yesterday and a GI tech, both of whom are great people but railed on Trump daily.  Long story short, I mentioned that I should get more home heating oil before prices rise.  They started talking about travel, oil companies wanting profits, etc. and I said "no, it's because of the administration."  They keep pooh-poohing it but I said "this was all predictable when he was elected."  They were still unconvinced but I didn't care as I expected it.  

I expected it too.  I bought a whole bunch of energy funds and ETFs starting around the 1st of the year.  I tried to convince a lot of my friends and colleagues to do the same but they just don't see it either.  It all seemed so obvious where things are headed. 

I'm not going to blame Joe for all of it because he kind of walked right into the meat grinder and for decades the government has been on a drunken spending binge running up massive un-payable debts and the Federal Reserve has been accommodating this behavior along with making a lot of rich people a lot richer for a long time now.  All acting as if there are or never will be any consequences.  COVID kind of pulled those consequences forward and now its here.  Food costs and inputs are also rising which is going to result in a lot more suffering on the poor and internationally on developing nations.

Big 1970's type inflation with an added kicker of out of control government debt and a failing currency is on the way.  If you've lived it or studied it you will know what I'm saying but most people under 50 years of age have no real-life experience to understand.  It will be nothing like anything most have experienced before. 

Edited March 5, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

43 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I expected it too.  I bought a whole bunch of energy funds and ETFs starting around the 1st of the year.  I tried to convince a lot of my friends and colleagues to do the same but they just don't see it either.  It all seemed so obvious where things are headed. 

I'm not going to blame Joe for all of it because he kind of walked right into the meat grinder and for decades the government has been on a drunken spending binge running up massive un-payable debts and the Federal Reserve has been accommodating this behavior along with making a lot of rich people a lot richer for a long time now.  All acting as if there are or never will be any consequences.  COVID kind of pulled those consequences forward and now its here.  Food costs and inputs are also rising which is going to result in a lot more suffering on the poor and internationally on developing nations.

Big 1970's type inflation with an added kicker of out of control government debt and a failing currency is on the way.  If you've lived it or studied it you will know what I'm saying but most people under 50 years of age have no real-life experience to understand.  It will be nothing like anything most have experienced before. 

CBO also said this 1,9 trillion package is going to contribute to massive inflation. If you’re in the market for a home better hurry and lock . 
 

tech sector is getting annihilated. 
 

Smart move  getting into energy. 

Edited March 5, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[B-Man]

 

 

Good God, we are so screwed.

 

 

 

If you cannot say their name you cannot deal with them8on an honest level.

 

 

[Doc]

Results!

[Big Blitz]

 

 

[Doc]

14 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

I'm not sure where to put this, because the locals don't seem to want to start too many 'President' Biden threads.

 

Not much going on there.  😎

 

 

 

Biden admin reportedly gives *green light to open back up to pre-Covid capacity (*migrant holding facilities only)

 

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/03/05/biden-admin-reportedly-gives-green-light-to-open-back-up-to-pre-covid-capacity-migrant-holding-facilities-only/

 

 

 

 

Media talking point INCOMING: Biden admin reportedly considering ‘friendlier name’ for border detention facilities

 

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/03/05/media-talking-point-incoming-biden-admin-reportedly-considering-friendlier-name-for-border-detention-facilities/

 

Why does Joey's admin need to do that?  The media will do that for them.

[B-Man]

JOE BIDEN’S UGLY BETRAYAL OF THE IRANIAN PEOPLE:

BY

MARIAM MEMARSADEGHI

 

In the short time since taking office, Biden has already snubbed Iranian dissidents who courageously wrote to him from inside Iran, some writing from prison, urging him to maintain sanctions and other pressures on the regime and to provide support and solidarity for their democratic struggle. Instead, their message was received as an inconvenience by a White House national security team staffed with some of the regime’s leading U.S.-based apologists. The administration then quickly provided other sweeteners to the regime, including the lifting of sanctions on their proxy in Yemen, the lifting of restrictions on its arms buying and selling, the lifting of U.S. opposition to an IMF loan, and the neutering of a pro-freedom public diplomacy initiative from the State Department, which went overnight from being a popular source of information on the regime’s repression and corruption to the butt of jokes among Iranian democracy activists. The initiative‘s Persian-language Twitter account has had a steep drop in followers since the U.S. election because of its canceling of real-time statements about the regime’s human rights abuses in favor of promotion of the Biden team’s appeasement measures. When angry Iranians on Twitter pushed the State Department into taking a stand about the regime’s torture and killing of Behnam Mahjoubi, it only raised their ire by saying he was “mistreated.”

 

Biden’s decided U-turn away from maximum pressure on the regime to a posture of maximum accommodation has been accompanied by silence about the regime’s escalation of its war against its own people, and anyone else who is unfortunate enough to fall within its reach. Biden’s policy of appeasement has been accompanied by large increases in the number of executions and deaths in custody of political prisoners, the taking of foreign hostages for ransom, and threats to kill dual nationals like Swedish Iranian researcher Ahmadreza Djalali. The new administration has, in effect, taken every opportunity to demonstrate to Iran’s thuggish theocracy that it will give in, even signaling that the regime’s holding of American hostages will not be an impediment to negotiations on the nuclear program.

 

The results of this policy of accommodation are clear. Khamenei has not hesitated to respond by intensifying belligerence by the Islamic Republic’s proxies, who shell American troops in Iraq. America’s other leading adversaries, particularly China and Russia, are also taking note; they do not expect to be confronted for their aggressions and can more easily plot to fill the vacuum left by the United States in the Middle East.

 

 

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/obama-trump-iran-nuclear

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

There’s no border issue, period. I’ve been watching msm all week and it hasn’t come up, not once. The only thing leaked through was the suv accident that killed 13 of the 25 in the car...  

 

if the non fox (which goes to the other extreme) media was however opposed to the current administration and held Republican allegiance the headline would have been:

 

BIDEN IMMIGRATION POLICY TWICE AS  DEADLY AS ELECTION FRUAD PROTESTS.  
 

 

Edited March 6, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[All_Pro_Bills]

12 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

There’s no border issue, period. I’ve been watching msm all week and it hasn’t come up, not once. The only thing leaked through was the suv accident that killed 13 of the 25 in the car...  

 

if the non fox (which goes to the other extreme) media was however opposed to the current administration and held Republican allegiance the headline would have been:

 

BIDEN IMMIGRATION POLICY TWICE AS  DEADLY AS ELECTION FRUAD PROTESTS.  
 

 

Or

 

Huge migrant influx poses major COVID super-spreader event risk (throw in mention of more infectious and deadlier variants for dramatic effect)

Administration faces humanitarian crisis at the border without a plan

Family separation policy draws fire from immigration experts and faces calls for Congressional hearings

Administration's media black-out policy draws ire from legal experts and activists while raising questions about abuse  (What are they hiding?)

 

I could go on.  More or less the problem is what we get from MSN is controlled by 7 people.  A concentration of power situation.  Billionaires that use their power to deliver "news" and opinions to support their own personal agenda.  Used to be you had professional news people running these organizations.  They cared about the truth, finding and reporting facts, posing tough questions to officials and others.  No more (other than going after Trump 24x7).  Today its con men and grifters running the show.     

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Or

 

Huge migrant influx poses major COVID super-spreader event risk (throw in mention of more infectious and deadlier variants for dramatic effect)

Administration faces humanitarian crisis at the border without a plan

Family separation policy draws fire from immigration experts and faces calls for Congressional hearings

Administration's media black-out policy draws ire from legal experts and activists while raising questions about abuse  (What are they hiding?)

 

I could go on.  More or less the problem is what we get from MSN is controlled by 7 people.  A concentration of power situation.  Billionaires that use their power to deliver "news" and opinions to support their own personal agenda.  Used to be you had professional news people running these organizations.  They cared about the truth, finding and reporting facts, posing tough questions to officials and others.  No more (other than going after Trump 24x7).  Today its con men and grifters running the show.     

 

 

Thank you! Well said!

it’s amazing to me how ‘informed’ so many people think they are but all they know is what they’re being told or what they read on the internet (cough). All you need to do is open your eyes and you’ll see the utter and complete media pivot since puppet Joe Biden took office and you’ll know what’s going on here. 

Edited March 7, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thank you! Well said!

it’s amazing to me how ‘informed’ so many people think they are but all they know is what they’re being told or what they read on the internet (cough). All you need to do is open your eyes and you’ll see the utter and complete media pivot since puppet Joe Biden took office and you’ll know what’s going on here. 

I've always loved the comedy of George Carlin.  His humor combined with the ability to break down a topic and expose the essence of an argument was second to none.  Many of his conclusions and insights have stuck with me.  A specific thing he said (to paraphrase) which I find applicable today is "the last thing any government wants is a population of critical thinking citizens.  They want obedient workers that are just smart enough to get things done that won't ask too many questions".  This can also be applied to the MSM because for all intents the MSM is now a instrument of government.  That's kind of where we are now.  Critical thinking, logical deduction, skeptical approaches to understanding events, are unwelcome and discouraged.  Looking at most of the prevailing narratives of today anyone applying any or all of those concepts will likely generate a lot of tough questions that officials will prefer to avoid. 

 

To understand how all this works we need to examine how people think.  I've concluded most people believe things that reinforce their pre-existing conclusions that come from sources they "trust".  No matter how ridiculous or absurd these narratives or conclusions might seem to people applying mental tools like critical thinking.  And why do they trust these sources?  Simply because the message they communicate is something they agree with already.  In other words its a closed loop feedback system.  Anything that conflicts with the message being sent through the system is rejected.  Until the trusted source in the system alters the message to include anything previously prohibited. 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Or

 

Huge migrant influx poses major COVID super-spreader event risk (throw in mention of more infectious and deadlier variants for dramatic effect)

Administration faces humanitarian crisis at the border without a plan

Family separation policy draws fire from immigration experts and faces calls for Congressional hearings

Administration's media black-out policy draws ire from legal experts and activists while raising questions about abuse  (What are they hiding?)

 

I could go on.  More or less the problem is what we get from MSN is controlled by 7 people.  A concentration of power situation.  Billionaires that use their power to deliver "news" and opinions to support their own personal agenda.  Used to be you had professional news people running these organizations.  They cared about the truth, finding and reporting facts, posing tough questions to officials and others.  No more (other than going after Trump 24x7).  Today its con men and grifters running the show.    

 

Yup.  You're not hearing about the crisis at the border from any of the MSM and how they are super-spreader events.  But the same happened with the riots.

[ALF]

US B-52 bomber missions escorted by Israel, Saudi, Qatar warplanes
 Mar 7, 2021 @ 20:20

 

President Joe Biden sent a clear signal to Iran with a pair of US B-52 heavy Stratofortress bombers flying Sunday, March 7, over the Gulf region on their second mission under his administration. They also conveyed a message of solidarity. Israeli Air Force F-15s accompanied the US bombers over Israel before swinging around and heading for home base from their seventh mission over the Gulf. The B-52 bombers were also accompanied by military aircraft from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, US Army’s Central Command said.

 

https://www.debka.com/us-b-52-bomber-missions-escorted-by-israel-saudi-qatar-warplanes/

[Tiberius]

On 3/5/2021 at 10:46 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

CBO also said this 1,9 trillion package is going to contribute to massive inflation. If you’re in the market for a home better hurry and lock . 
 

tech sector is getting annihilated. 
 

Smart move  getting into energy. 

I'm still waiting for this massive inflation you guys said Obama was going to cause. Where the heck is it??? 

53 minutes ago, ALF said:

US B-52 bomber missions escorted by Israel, Saudi, Qatar warplanes
 Mar 7, 2021 @ 20:20

 

President Joe Biden sent a clear signal to Iran with a pair of US B-52 heavy Stratofortress bombers flying Sunday, March 7, over the Gulf region on their second mission under his administration. They also conveyed a message of solidarity. Israeli Air Force F-15s accompanied the US bombers over Israel before swinging around and heading for home base from their seventh mission over the Gulf. The B-52 bombers were also accompanied by military aircraft from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, US Army’s Central Command said.

 

https://www.debka.com/us-b-52-bomber-missions-escorted-by-israel-saudi-qatar-warplanes/

I read somewhere that the Israelis had flown some F-35 over Iran and not been detected! 

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/israels-f-35s-are-making-mockery-irans-air-defenses-maybe-149461

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I'm still waiting for this massive inflation you guys said Obama was going to cause.

Remind me what exactly “you guys” said? 
 

As far as now, Just look at the bond market if you understand what that means and how its connected. It’s literally making the point. 
 

Also, 1.9 trillion dollars equates to $6,000 for every man woman and child somehow results in $1400 checks for some of the population? it’s just a sham fed spending grab and a bunch of pork nothing to do with covid.
 

The party that controls your mind is even worse than the other fiscally irresponsible one at spending my money and my children’s future down the drain. 

Edited March 8, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/11/asia/china-hong-kong-election-reform-intl-hnk/index.html
 

pay attention. PRC just unanimously  ‘reformed’ Hong Kong’s election process. 
 

Interesting PRC waited until after the new administration to make the move. What must they know? 

Edited March 12, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[ALF]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/11/asia/china-hong-kong-election-reform-intl-hnk/index.html
 

pay attention. PRC just unanimously  ‘reformed’ Hong Kong’s election process. 
 

Interesting PRC waited until after the new administration to make the move. What must they know? 

 

US says electoral changes in Hong Kong ‘assault on democracy’

 

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has condemned China’s approval of sweeping changes to Hong Kong’s electoral system, calling the move an “assault on democracy” and a “direct attack” on the autonomy promised for the territory when it was returned to Chinese sovereignty in 1997.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/12/us-says-electoral-changes-in-hong-kong-an-assault-on-democracy

[snafu]

4 hours ago, ALF said:

 

US says electoral changes in Hong Kong ‘assault on democracy’

 

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has condemned China’s approval of sweeping changes to Hong Kong’s electoral system, calling the move an “assault on democracy” and a “direct attack” on the autonomy promised for the territory when it was returned to Chinese sovereignty in 1997.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/12/us-says-electoral-changes-in-hong-kong-an-assault-on-democracy

 

 

Well now. That’ll make them think twice about breaking ignoring international agreements and stomping on individual rights next time.  I think China doesn’t care much about assaults on democracy or attacks on autonomy. They’ll give us another example in Taiwan right after the 2022 olympics.

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

28 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

 

Well now. That’ll make them think twice about breaking ignoring international agreements and stomping on individual rights next time.  I think China doesn’t care much about assaults on democracy or attacks on autonomy. They’ll give us another example in Taiwan right after the 2022 olympics.

 

I'm not sure why the US would object to anything China is doing as their government seems to be the operating model our government aspires to.  Creating a surveillance and thought control state through the melding of government force and coercion with technology oligarchs and the corporations they control.

 

But aside from that China is simply not afraid of the US anymore.  What are "we" going to do?  Impose sanctions?  I'm sure Pres Xi isn't spending many sleepless nights worried about that prospect.  Diplomatically our state department's approach to international affairs is consistent with the "gun boat" policies of past eras.  Look at the number of places where force is either being directly applied or threatened.  The problem is the world has changed and while I question China's motives as less than transparent and genuine their more "cooperative" economic development approach to affairs is leading to a lot of arrangements around the world that are slowly squeezing the US out of a lot of places.  

[ALF]

2 hours ago, snafu said:

 

 

Well now. That’ll make them think twice about breaking ignoring international agreements and stomping on individual rights next time.  I think China doesn’t care much about assaults on democracy or attacks on autonomy. They’ll give us another example in Taiwan right after the 2022 olympics.

 

 

That's a very good point . The US and Allies have to plan now how to protect Taiwan at all costs.   Hong Kong should be enough to convince everyone China will not stop there.

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

That's a very good point . The US and Allies have to plan now how to protect Taiwan at all costs.   Hong Kong should be enough to convince everyone China will not stop there.

Of course China will not stop at objectives aimed at Taiwan and Hong Kong.  They have greater ambitions.  But what does it mean to protect Taiwan alt all costs?  All costs?  Such as  committing to military action?  Engaging is an armed confrontation with China?  Perhaps starting World War 3?  And what consequences, risks, and threats will such a policy of "all costs" present?  

 

Beyond some vague China containment policy it might make sense to have some clear and credible articulation of US strategic interests from the administration before committing to some "at all costs" program.

[ALF]

38 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Of course China will not stop at objectives aimed at Taiwan and Hong Kong.  They have greater ambitions.  But what does it mean to protect Taiwan alt all costs?  All costs?  Such as  committing to military action?  Engaging is an armed confrontation with China?  Perhaps starting World War 3?  And what consequences, risks, and threats will such a policy of "all costs" present?  

 

Beyond some vague China containment policy it might make sense to have some clear and credible articulation of US strategic interests from the administration before committing to some "at all costs" program.

 

That's why planning now to see if it is possible to stop China or would the cost be too high.  WW 3 would be a cost too high of course. I'm thinking economic not military action by the world. Isolation , no foreign students to any other country or tourists.

 

China surpassed the United States in annual gross crude oil imports in 2017, importing 8.4 million barrels per day (b/d)

 

Together, five of China's leading crude petroleum suppliers (Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iraq, Angola plus Brazil) generate well over half (59.3%) of overall Chinese crude oil imports for 2019. China's top 10 crude petroleum providers supply approximately four-fifths (79.3%) of its imported crude oil

 

If the world could shut down all imports to China ?

 

If a hypothetical plan won't work then Taiwan is gone. Then scale that back to at least make it not business as usual. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by ALF

[reddogblitz]

10 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

That's why planning now to see if it is possible to stop China or would the cost be too high.  WW 3 would be a cost too high of course. I'm thinking economic not military action by the world. Isolation , no foreign students to any other country or tourists.

 

This sounds like a travel ban which is racist and xenophobic.