GunnerBill Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Meh. Run game schmun game. The Bills are a much better passing team than running team. They way they have spent their cap $$s tells you what they want to prioritise. The result is they are not a very good running offense. Hard to be good at everything in the NFL. Would I like to see them try and get better at run blocking and add some speed at running back? Sure. But I don't want them to give up any passing efficiency to do so. The message I took from the Baltimore game is that is what an oline built to run block looks like in the pass game.... their (the Ravens) pass pro was atrocious. The easiest way of getting Josh hurt (and this is borne out by all the evidence) is to expose him to a lot of hits inside the pocket. I'd argue that was what hurt Cam and the Panthers more than using him in the run game. They had a run first offense with Stewart and the other older guy who ended up at Pittsburgh (was it DeAngelo Williams?) and then McCaffrey with an oline that run blocked better than it pass blocked and Cam got crushed in the pocket far too much. I think we all want them to get a bit better running the ball..... but it HAS to come after maintaining our passing efficiency in the priority list for me. Edited February 1, 2021 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Meh. Run game schmun game. The Bills are a much better passing team than running team. They way they have spent their cap $$s tells you what they want to prioritise. The result is they are not a very good running offense. Hard to be good at everything in the NFL. Would I like to see them try and get better at run blocking and add some speed at running back? Sure. But I don't want them to give up any passing efficiency to do so. The message I took from the Baltimore game is that is what an oline built to run block looks like in the pass game.... their (the Ravens) pass pro was atrocious. The easiest way of getting Josh hurt (and this is borne out by all the evidence) is to expose him to a lot of hits inside the pocket. I'd argue that was what hurt Cam and the Panthers more than using him in the run game. They had a run first offense with Stewart and the other older guy who ended up at Pittsburgh (was it DeAngelo Williams?) and then McCaffrey with an oline that run blocked better than it pass blocked and Cam got crushed in the pocket far too much. I think we all want them to get a bit better running the ball..... but it HAS to come after maintaining our passing efficiency in the priority list for me. Newton’s injury problem has absolutely *nothing* to with hits taken either inside or outside the pocket. https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/ContentGallery/Cam-Newton-shoulder-injury-timeline-of-events-126689960/#126689960_2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Newton’s injury problem has absolutely *nothing* to with hits taken either inside or outside the pocket. https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/ContentGallery/Cam-Newton-shoulder-injury-timeline-of-events-126689960/#126689960_2 It was actually the TJ Watt hit referenced in that article that was in my mind's eye. It is fair to say though that it wasn't a single trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: It was actually the TJ Watt hit referenced in that article that was in my mind's eye. It is fair to say though that it wasn't a single trigger. The injury already had happened by that point. I’m sure the hit was painful, but it didn’t change anything. A torn rotator cuff is a torn rotator cuff. He couldn’t throw the ball 50 yards going into that game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said: It's your first line that I disagree with, at least in part. At best Cam was an average passer, but combined with his running that was enough to make him MVP like Lamar. But the shoulder injury had made him a bad passer so that teams can key on the run. He once had a strong arm and a low 60% completion which was good enough to keep the D guessing. We also never got to see him behind a competent OL or with an elite WR who makes you look great. The sad thing is that he lied to Carolina coaches about his injury because he wanted to compete. Brave but stupid. He's done now. He should retire. Josh doesn't need to seek contact like Cam, but the designed runs are good to keep the D honest. In the playoffs when the Offense became one dimensional the Bills made it easier for the D. Well, I guess we can agree to disagree. But I don't think he's got some unfixable arm problem. Take a look at this: Go to 2:05. That's a dime, this year, 55 yards in the air, without stepping into it. Might he have injured himself later in the year? Yeah, sure. But I don't think arm strength is a problem for this guy. Throwing is. He hasn't been accurate with any consistency. I think he might get it back together. I'm not saying he will, but IMO he might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I think we should sign him as a backup .... Running back that is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: I think we should sign him as a backup .... Running back that is. He’s better than our current backup qb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just some food for thought here. The entire NFL world was watching that AFC Championship game and how the Chiefs beat the Buffalo Bills so handily 38-24. All opponents will attempt to duplicate exactly what the Chiefs did in that game on defense. The Bills don't necessarily need to run more often as they just need to get better at running when needed. However, they needed to run the RB's more often in those playoff games. 2020 Buffalo Bills, #2 overall offense from mostly passing, 20th in rush yards, 20th in yards per attempt in 2020. That's with QB Josh Allen the third leading rusher. Singletary 687, Moss 481, Allen 421, with 2, 4, 8 TDs respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Campus a 3rd string QB at best. Think his Career is done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Cam is done as a #1, but he can make a living as a backup. He'd be one of the best. 3-5m to hold a clipboard and keep your health. I'd take it. Edited February 1, 2021 by BillsRdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He’s better than our current backup qb. As atrocious as Cam was at times, the dude can still make a couple plays to swing a game for you to gut out a win. If your backup has to play, you’re in trouble but Cam had 20 TD’s last season. Not sure any of our backups put up 20 TD’s starting 15 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Newtons arm is done. Rumblings that he's struggled in the film room for years. Would he be a pillar for Josh to lean on? I doubt it He would be more distraction than anything. I want him nowhere near the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Cam may have had the worst post-MVP career since Shaun Alexander. I thought he'd have some sort of bounceback this year at least. They were both so dominant during those seasons.. He's an intriguing backup for JA only for the reason I always pegged their games as quite similar. But I don't see it happening or really mind either way. Edited February 1, 2021 by FormerlyPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Balanced teams have a better chance at winning a SB then 1 dimensional teams like Buffalo. The only time Josh should ever be running is on a scramble. Daboll made a concerted decision this season to not make our running game much of a priority. Motor, Dingleberry whatever you want to call him regressed. Moss showed some limited progress but got hurt. And TJ was in jail all year. I don't want Josh to flame out like Cam or RG3 and someday Lamar. Teach his OL how to run block without losing their pass protection skills. Draft RB's faster than 4.6 and keep Josh from that season ending injury we all dread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 11 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Cam Newton 6'5'' 235, who was drafted #1 overall in 2011, 2015 NFL MVP...took the Panthers to a super bowl. Look at him now, a shell of what he once was due to injuries sustained by running the ball over the years in the NFL. Sure, he can still run the ball...now, he can't make a decent downfield throw to save his life. Watch that 49ers, Patriots game week 6. I look at Josh Allen being the leading rusher for Buffalo against the Colts in the AFC Wildcard game! Leading rusher against the Ravens tied with Motor with seven carries in the AFC Divisional round! Leading rusher against the Chiefs in the AFC Championship game. Please make this stop! The last thing I want to see as a Bills fan is a supremely talented pocket QB like Allen ending up like Newton because of having to run to attempt to carry the team on his own. With a 2020 69.25% completion percentage, there is no way that the Bills should even be thinking of letting this QB be the leading rusher in a game! The Buffalo Bills didn't even attempt a RB run in the entire first quarter against the Ravens and only one RB run in the second quarter. That vaunted, high scoring 2020 Buffalo Bills offense only scored 10 points against the Ravens. The Bills got very, very lucky against the Colts and Ravens as they were out played in both ToP and yards. The Chiefs ripped them a new one though! As for the Chiefs, they were in Nickle/Dime coverage mostly the entire game and basically daring the Bills to run the ball. Don't worry, the Bills OC didn't call a RB run very often, 11 carries all game for Buffalo RB's. The AFC Championship game was the second time the Bills faced this team this season, and with worse results! That first game Allen threw for 14 of 27 for 122 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT and rushed for 8 attempts. Singletary had 10 rushes. The first game should have shown the Bills what they were in for. Why is the Bills OC so damned and defiant about passing the ball when the opposing team is clearly shutting the passing game down? Four sacks by the Chiefs and so many QB pressures that every time Allen dropped back he was getting harried. As a Bills fan I want to see Josh Allen as the Buffalo Bills QB in ten years and not looking like Cam Newton does today. McD/Beane, please fix the Bills OC's brain, O line and run game...balance! Rant off... Correlation does not imply causation. Holy crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 IMO, Cam was never that good to begin with so I don't think his taking hits diminished his abilities. I think the league caught up to him and figured him out and this is the end result. Josh is a way better QB than Newton ever was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I havent seen this many incorrect hot takes about Cam Newton since the 2012 Scouting Season. For shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I havent seen this many incorrect hot takes about Cam Newton since the 2012 Scouting Season. For shame. Cam's career passer rating is 85.8. That puts him in mediocre QB territory. In contrast career passer ratings for elite QBs like your Brady/Brees/Rogers and the latest generation of Mahomes / Watson / Wilson are in the high 90s to low 100s. So which hot take is incorrect? That Cam was good or that he was mediocre? Edited February 1, 2021 by prissythecat sentence edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 As a starter? Hell no. As a backup? Still probably no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Cam's career passer rating is 85.8. That puts him in mediocre QB territory. In contrast career passer ratings for elite QBs like your Brady/Brees/Rogers and the latest generation of Mahomes / Watson / Wilson are in the high 90s to low 100s. So which hot take is incorrect? That Cam was good or that he was mediocre? Cam was absolutely a star at his peak. He also had 20 TD’s to 10 INT’s last season. How many back up QB’s in the NFL put up 20 TD’s on offense on that Pats roster? Is Cam still great? No. Is Cam probably one of the best backups in the NFL? Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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