Who is the imposter in Brian Daboll's Body?

[Logic]

The Bills got out coached on both sides of the ball last night.

 

HOWEVER...

 

The execution was also lacking. Did you see the replays, time after time? Receivers were not separating. #17 was passing up checkdowns and short options repeatedly. Pass blocking was suspect.

 

It’s not entirely the Xs and Os, it was also the failure of the Willies and Joes.

Our quarterback, in particular, still has some growing to do.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Logic

[Beerball]

10 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

I don't recognize this Brian Daboll offense this postseason as compared to the regular season.  The offense in my opinion looked relatively different as compared to the regular season.  The imagination appeared very vanilla, the jet sweeps were missing (except today when it was too late), and the red zone play calling left a lot to be desired.  I understand players have to execute, but I feel these playoff games were not Daboll at his best.  

How many times do you remember Allen (seemingly) changing plays at the line?  How many RPO’s did you see?

 

Allen had a very poor night except w his feet.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There is plenty of blame to go around IMO. 

There's more to being vanilla or not than jet sweeps. 

 

I'm going to wait until I see the all-22 to put it so much on Daboll.  I thought his offensive play design in the Ravens game was actually very creative and effective.

 

There are still times when Josh doesn't make the right call or passes up a simple throw that would move the chains instead of taking what the defense gives him.

There are times when another player makes a mistake

Either our protection calls were screwed or we were just getting our asses whupped on the line

 

A factor that I don't know how to adjust for is officials allowing DBs to mug the WR in playoff games.  This was a factor in the TB/GB game as well.

 

It'd be like if they decided to just start calling all the offensive line holding penalties that they let teams get away with all season.  Complete 180 in officiating - Romo is saying that the coverage is sticky and i can see diggs and bease jerseys getting tugged all night long. 

[Nextmanup]

7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

They played better teams.  The Bills were playing patsies down the stretch.  

 

Much better teams.

 

The offense and the passing game struggled in all 3 of our playoff games.

 

We need to look to those performances to find how to improve.

Not beating up on 6 win teams earlier in the year.

 

 

[Bills69]

IMHO this is on the Offense. We knew KC was going to score a LOT but we also thought that we would (could) keep up.... on the 4th down on the second quarter "regular season" Daboll would have run some sort of trick play.... The whole post season he did not have answers to what the other DCs were doing...this is troubling going into next season when everyone knows how the Bills play.

[WideNine]

Gotta admit, I felt like he was sticking to a very vanilla 11 personnel 2x2 package and for the most part motioning Knox and Singletary to help Allen diagnose coverages....

 

Not sure why, but perhaps he was trying to keep things more simple for Allen as KC was doing a lot of things to complicate and disguise their coverages and blitz packages.

 

We do have some predictable things we do, and a smart team may look at how we line up, motion, Josh calls protections, and then snaps the ball.

 

KC waited till he went through that familiar progression and before the snap, changed their defensive look. The Bills defense is known for that too, particularly our safeties.

 

It forced Allen to scramble to change protections and play calls and it got hurried and sloppy.

 

Hindsight being 20/20 there are times when your offense can be too predictable and reactive to defenses. We had that tendency teams could exploit..

 

The best strategy if we were not going to go with a lot if different personnel or alignments may have been to go 2 minute drill/no-huddle. Change our progession timing to force their defense into being simpler and more reactive.

 

Food for thought.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by WideNine

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Execution was just as poor as coaching last night. 

 

It was a team loss.

 

Regroup and be prepared to be the 2021 NFL favorites.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, Logic said:

The Bills got out coached on both sides of the ball last night.

 

HOWEVER...

 

The execution was also lacking. Did you see the replays, time after time? Receivers were not separating. #17 was passing up checkdowns and short options repeatedly. Pass blocking was suspect.

 

It’s not entirely the Xs and Os, it was also the failure of the Willies and Joes.

Our quarterback, in particular, still has some growing to do.

 

I need to watch the game again to see, but Josh said in his post-game that he was pressing in the first half (meaning passing up checkdowns and short options).  I think he was expecting his receivers to separate, but they were being mugged all night and didn't/couldn't.

 

That's been his kryptonite, to not take the open checkdown.  I thought he'd gotten over it - he did it in the Steelers game and IIRC to some extent against the Chargers and Arizona, but it seems it's still his next mountain to climb.

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Something went off the rails with the O this post season and I’m not sure what it was 

 

I think it’s a little simplistic to blame Daboll although this may be a factor...

 

The OL struggled today  ...  do we blame Dabs for that? 
 

 

1) We are playing better competition.

2) The refs are reluctant to call penalties in the playoffs, so just like our Second Super Bowl versus the Redskins, pass defenders can play very, very physical with receivers and not get a penalty.

[Logic]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I need to watch the game again to see, but Josh said in his post-game that he was pressing in the first half (meaning passing up checkdowns and short options).  I think he was expecting his receivers to separate, but they were being mugged all night and didn't/couldn't.

 

That's been his kryptonite, to not take the open checkdown.  I thought he'd gotten over it - he did it in the Steelers game and IIRC to some extent against the Chargers and Arizona, but it seems it's still his next mountain to climb.

I re-watched the Chiefs game from earlier in the season, and it was exactly the same story. The Chiefs essentially conceded all the short stuff entirely. They made the bet that Josh would stay too fixated on the intermediate to deep stuff for too long, and they were right -- both times. By the time he started using his outlets late in the second half, it was too late.

While Allen has made great improvements with regard to taking what the defense is giving him, it seems like he still has a tendency to revert to "doing too much" Josh, "Hero Ball" Josh, in certain big moments. When the Bills face good defenses but mediocre offenses, he seems quite willing to be patient, to take what's there. Whenever they face good offenses, where Josh knows that the Bills are going to have to keep pace offensively, he starts pressing too much. 

Perhaps it was the offensive efficacy of the opponent. Perhaps it was the enormity of the moment. Whatever it was, the guy we saw last night looked more like 2019 Josh than 2020 Josh to me. He'll learn, he'll improve. I just hope it's not always his fatal flaw.

6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

1) We are playing better competition.

2) The refs are reluctant to call penalties in the playoffs, so just like our Second Super Bowl versus the Redskins, pass defenders can play very, very physical with receivers and not get a penalty.

I agree with this.

The combination of more physical coverage being allowed in the playoffs and most of our receiving corps being hobbled by injury led to a lack of separation all game which, coupled with a QB who was unwilling to check it down, led to offensive ineptitude. 

 

[Mr. WEO]

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

I re-watched the Chiefs game from earlier in the season, and it was exactly the same story. The Chiefs essentially conceded all the short stuff entirely. They made the bet that Josh would stay too fixated on the intermediate to deep stuff for too long, and they were right -- both times. By the time he started using his outlets late in the second half, it was too late.

While Allen has made great improvements with regard to taking what the defense is giving him, it seems like he still has a tendency to revert to "doing too much" Josh, "Hero Ball" Josh, in certain big moments. When the Bills face good defenses but mediocre offenses, he seems quite willing to be patient, to take what's there. Whenever they face good offenses, where Josh knows that the Bills are going to have to keep pace offensively, he starts pressing too much. 

Perhaps it was the offensive efficacy of the opponent. Perhaps it was the enormity of the moment. Whatever it was, the guy we saw last night looked more like 2019 Josh than 2020 Josh to me. He'll learn, he'll improve. I just hope it's not always his fatal flaw.

I agree with this.

The combination of more physical coverage being allowed in the playoffs and most of our receiving corps being hobbled by injury led to a lack of separation all game which, coupled with a QB who was unwilling to check it down, led to offensive ineptitude. 

 

 

It would help if we had a run game we could count on at all, other than Josh.  It's really axiomatic, when a team has a known gap, the opponent can scheme better against their strengths.

 

But yes, when I suggested in Year 1 that RB in the flat and other checkdown options should be equipped with 6' orange fiberglass poles topped with fluttering flags so that Josh could better identify them, and in the AFC Championship game 3 years later I'm still seeing it,  it's (see what I did there) a flag.  But there have been lots of flags with Josh, and he's been year after year capturing those flags and moving on to the next.

 

I dislike the "deer in the headlights" "looked like 2019 Josh" blah blah takes.  They're a bit lame IMO.  Josh took his improved ability to read defenses and know where to go, and his improved accuracy, into the game.  He looked like a deer in the headlights sometimes because there wasn't a WR open when he expected one (muggings), or because he had checked to a Blitz0 beating play, and the defense dropped out or vice versa.  But part of the reason that worked, is because sometimes he passed up the easy yards on 1st and 2nd down.

 

From listening to his presser, Josh realizes that.  Part of went wrong for the Bills was failing to extend drives and keep KC's offense off the field, which was surely part of their plan.

 

For Josh so far, the next step from realizing something, is to figure out how to attack and improve it.  So we'll see.

 

Next Season!

 

 

[WideNine]

32 minutes ago, Logic said:

I re-watched the Chiefs game from earlier in the season, and it was exactly the same story. The Chiefs essentially conceded all the short stuff entirely. They made the bet that Josh would stay too fixated on the intermediate to deep stuff for too long, and they were right -- both times. By the time he started using his outlets late in the second half, it was too late.

While Allen has made great improvements with regard to taking what the defense is giving him, it seems like he still has a tendency to revert to "doing too much" Josh, "Hero Ball" Josh, in certain big moments. When the Bills face good defenses but mediocre offenses, he seems quite willing to be patient, to take what's there. Whenever they face good offenses, where Josh knows that the Bills are going to have to keep pace offensively, he starts pressing too much. 

Perhaps it was the offensive efficacy of the opponent. Perhaps it was the enormity of the moment. Whatever it was, the guy we saw last night looked more like 2019 Josh than 2020 Josh to me. He'll learn, he'll improve. I just hope it's not always his fatal flaw.

I agree with this.

The combination of more physical coverage being allowed in the playoffs and most of our receiving corps being hobbled by injury led to a lack of separation all game which, coupled with a QB who was unwilling to check it down, led to offensive ineptitude. 

 

 

I imagine having an arm like Allen's but being forced into check downs is like feeling the rumble of your 600HP engine as you are forced to limp along through never ending 20mph speed zones.

 

It will be the hardest thing for him to learn to do.

 

The Bills FO can help by getting more speed on the outside to carry safeties deep and open the middle a bit, but that what smoke and Beasley were for, but they were not at full speed.

 

Tough with all the injuries, but when you don't have the horses to go deep Allen has to take what he can shallow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dakrider]

Receivers weren't getting open very quickly and Allen really didn't have time to wait for them.  They needed more quick plays and they just weren't doing that.  
I think Allen's biggest mistakes in the game were running backwards when being sacked.  Don't run backwards 20 yards!  You take a step or two around but not running back like that.  There were some plays Allen had no time or options to do anything whereas Bills defense barely touched Mahomes and missed some great sacks.  The absolute worst play imo was the Singletary dropped pass.  A 5 year old would have caught that pass.  

Bills coaching staff didn't prepare them for the noise either. Played all year without any noise and was exactly what it looked like. 

The other poor part was the Bills inability to score TD's and instead settled for field goals.  They didn't have enough urgency and they should have gone for a couple of those 4th downs.   And on  defense, how was Kelce barely covered and open time and again.  Some plays he would float out there uncovered.  What did they think would happen?  With Hill is  a little different but Kelce is not Hill. 

[WideNine]

7 minutes ago, dakrider said:

Receivers weren't getting open very quickly and Allen really didn't have time to wait for them.  They needed more quick plays and they just weren't doing that.  
I think Allen's biggest mistakes in the game were running backwards when being sacked.  Don't run backwards 20 yards!  You take a step or two around but not running back like that.  There were some plays Allen had no time or options to do anything whereas Bills defense barely touched Mahomes and missed some great sacks.  The absolute worst play imo was the Singletary dropped pass.  A 5 year old would have caught that pass.  

Bills coaching staff didn't prepare them for the noise either. Played all year without any noise and was exactly what it looked like. 

The other poor part was the Bills inability to score TD's and instead settled for field goals.  They didn't have enough urgency and they should have gone for a couple of those 4th downs.   And on  defense, how was Kelce barely covered and open time and again.  Some plays he would float out there uncovered.  What did they think would happen?  With Hill is  a little different but Kelce is not Hill. 

 

Our defensive schemes do not take away TEs very well when we have to account for other receivers. Has been an open issue for two seasons. 

 

I think it is both scheme and personnel. We do not have that guy that can cover the more elite TEs in the league, and our soft zone just waves the white flag saying here's your 10 or more yards just don't beat us deep.

 

The slow death by a thousand cuts.

 

They have made adjustments and have done a better job stopping the run - especially on those stretch zone read runs that we were giving up on the edges earlier in the year. Stopping many for no gain or a loss.

 

Romo was right. If we are going to commit enough guys to the box to not get run on, and to try to get some.pass rush, then someone should have been hitting Kelci hard first to disrupt his timing/release/route.

 

It would also allow our coverage guys a bit more time to diagnose pass, and get into position to contest that short throw.

 

 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

They played better teams.  The Bills were playing patsies down the stretch.  

 

Not on Defense.  KC is a middle of the road defense that frankly Cleveland was able to block (fumble out of the endzone was huge).  Baker was sacked once and I don't remember unrelenting pressure. 

 

The Buffalo defense is another story, but the Offense was suspect and Allen was under pressure. 

 

Seemed they read every play.  Won't be surprised if we hear that they knew the plays being called. 

[zow2]

With Daboll here and Allen throwing the ball all over the place, the Bills should be able to attract whatever burner WR's are out there on the market..

The offense can't be just Allen to Diggs next year.  If that's taken away,  we're dead. 

[prissythecat]

53 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Not on Defense.  KC is a middle of the road defense that frankly Cleveland was able to block (fumble out of the endzone was huge).  Baker was sacked once and I don't remember unrelenting pressure. 

 

The Buffalo defense is another story, but the Offense was suspect and Allen was under pressure. 

 

Seemed they read every play.  Won't be surprised if we hear that they knew the plays being called. 

 

A defense like KC's can look really good if they just have to focus on stopping one thing.   Thats why even Cowher remarked early on in playoffs that the Bills better figure out how to run the ball.  

[Billsfan1972]

28 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

A defense like KC's can look really good if they just have to focus on stopping one thing.   Thats why even Cowher remarked early on in playoffs that the Bills better figure out how to run the ball.  

Then Josh could have run for 150.....

[prissythecat]

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Then Josh could have run for 150.....

 

Thats brilliant.  They should have adopted your gameplan then lol.    

 

Incidentally,  Josh ran for 88 yards at over 12 yards a carry.   

Edited January 25, 2021 by prissythecat

[BuffaloBills1998]

14 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

It was payback for not letting him talk to Philly

Didn’t he turn that job down?

[Billsfan1972]

32 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

Thats brilliant.  They should have adopted your gameplan then lol.    

 

Incidentally,  Josh ran for 88 yards at over 12 yards a carry.   

The point was he could have ran more as once he broke containment he had open spaces.  Maybe this was the game for some QB runs (vs. scrambles)?

[maryland-bills-fan]

11 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

From one of the most creative offensives to running the same play over and over again in the playoffs.  Presnap movement just went away.  Mckenzie went away.  Running schemes went away.  They tried nothing new, and didn't even run creative plays that worked this year.

 

Daboll had a lot of questionable times during the season that was overlooked, but the guy was just plain awful in the playoffs.

I think he had a progression of plays figured out that he would call one after another. If "A" worked, then  defensive player z would be thinking xx on the next play and the counter was  "b"....   He got lost when "a" got stuffed and didn't have a plan b

[Da webster guy]

On 1/25/2021 at 7:43 AM, TBBills said:

I guess there is a bigger reason Daboll didn't get a HC job this year.

I think he's too low key for some GM's to see as their head coach. 

At least in pressers he seems like more of an analytical guy than a motivating leader.  

 

The NFL has seen hundreds of good coordinators take a swing at the head coach job and find themselves back at coordinator where they belong.  Daboll might be one of those guys.  Also he didnt seem very inventive in the playoffs, hope he improves there next year.

[Eastport bills]

When you get elevated to genius status by a transcendent talent at QB, it sometimes leads you to expect him to improvise pedestrian game plans and get Ws. Dabol was compromised by injured receivers being relied on and a nonexistent running attack. Having said that ,he didn't protect Allen from free rushers and couldn't get Diggs involved in the game. He will suffer a blow to his overall rating with this ineptitude. He's got to do better. This team deserves better. 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

When you get elevated to genius status by a transcendent talent at QB, it sometimes leads you to expect him to improvise pedestrian game plans and get Ws. Dabol was compromised by injured receivers being relied on and a nonexistent running attack. Having said that ,he didn't protect Allen from free rushers and couldn't get Diggs involved in the game. He will suffer a blow to his overall rating with this ineptitude. He's got to do better. This team deserves better. 

He had no hot reads for the blitzes. He ran no draws or screens on the pressure from KC. He better find a big upgrade at RB & TE. This offense with Singletary and Knox is pretty sad. You can't expect your top 3 wrs to do everything. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He had no hot reads for the blitzes. He ran no draws or screens on the pressure from KC. He better find a big upgrade at RB & TE. This offense with Singletary and Knox is pretty sad. You can't expect your top 3 wrs to do everything. 

 

I think getting a bit more creative with motions and formations could've helped them find some more space in man coverage.  Bunch formations with mesh concepts will eat in man coverage.  Max protect and the deep overs were where they gashed man coverage all year too.

 

I agree on the blitzes though.  Big sacks and the grounding came on blitzes where we left someone unblocked and allen didn't get the ball out or escape.  Need to be able to run the ball, screens behind those blitzes too.  We tried doing those WR screens but its tough in press coverage.  

[Fixxxer]

First time I post since the AFC championship game. In general terms this is how I see how things transpired last Sunday.

 

The defensive coaches failed to put the players in position to make plays, it was miserable to watch our players trying to slow down the Kansas offense. 

 

On offense, the players failed to make plays in key situations, Allen couldn't get into rythm, the pass blocking was sub par and the Chiefs took Diggs and Beasley out. Singletary killed some momentum with a key drop.

From being the best 3rd down offense during the season we were third worst in the post-season. 5-14 in that game. 

 

Amazing year overall, disappointed how it finished. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by Fixxxer

[Eastport bills]

42 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He had no hot reads for the blitzes. He ran no draws or screens on the pressure from KC. He better find a big upgrade at RB & TE. This offense with Singletary and Knox is pretty sad. You can't expect your top 3 wrs to do everything. 

Josh was able to squeeze out two tough playoff wins with Diggs and Davis having their way with man coverage and making some good runs himself, but you can't expect to beat KC when they take Diggs away. Dabol must be innovative in a big spot like that. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 1/25/2021 at 11:23 AM, WideNine said:

I imagine having an arm like Allen's but being forced into check downs is like feeling the rumble of your 600HP engine as you are forced to limp along through never ending 20mph speed zones.

 

It will be the hardest thing for him to learn to do.

 

The Bills FO can help by getting more speed on the outside to carry safeties deep and open the middle a bit, but that what smoke and Beasley were for, but they were not at full speed.

 

Tough with all the injuries, but when you don't have the horses to go deep Allen has to take what he can shallow.

 

When you look at it that way, I see your point, but to be a top QB, Allen must learn to do what the other top QBs have learned to do: it's not about beating the other team with your arm. 

 

It's about beating them with your mind. 

 

It's not about injured "horses".   A good team can always take away one thing you do well.  Then the QB's job is to burn them, and burn them, and burn them, with something else, until they adjust to put out the fire.

 

Then you burn them someplace else.

 

No, Beasley has never been about speed on the outside to carry the safeties deep and open up the middle.  Beasley is the "always open in the middle" guy.  Trouble is, we don't have another guy to take attention off him - that would be the TE on many teams.

 

Teams are leaving our outlet guys, RB and TE, so open they must be lonely at times and with enough green grass ahead of them to plant a Christmas Tree farm.  If Allen doesn't trust these guys to catch reliably, we need to move on to guys he can trust.  If Allen doesn't trust himself to hit those throws reliably**, he needs to practice again and again until he can.  If Allen doesn't see them because he's looking for the killer shot downfield, he needs to develop his field vision and the way he uses his mind.

 

Allen's arm is still incomparably valuable with the shorter throws in being able to get the ball in there in time.

 

**these were some of his worst throws at the combine and his pro day.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

I think getting a bit more creative with motions and formations could've helped them find some more space in man coverage.  Bunch formations with mesh concepts will eat in man coverage.  Max protect and the deep overs were where they gashed man coverage all year too.

 

I agree on the blitzes though.  Big sacks and the grounding came on blitzes where we left someone unblocked and allen didn't get the ball out or escape.  Need to be able to run the ball, screens behind those blitzes too.  We tried doing those WR screens but its tough in press coverage.  

What's really odd with Daboll is he used to run tons of motions and mesh concepts but late in the regular season he abandoned them? Why? If you insist on keeping scrubs like Lee Smith, then for God sakes get him in there to max protect. Smith and Singletary's ONLY talent is to block.

[Eastport bills]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He had no hot reads for the blitzes. He ran no draws or screens on the pressure from KC. He better find a big upgrade at RB & TE. This offense with Singletary and Knox is pretty sad. You can't expect your top 3 wrs to do everything. 

He had a perfectly set up screen to extend a drive and Singletary dropped the ball. He stunk up the field in the biggest game of his life. What happened to this guy? He was elusive, quick and productive. He became timid and tentative. Yeldon looked like Thurman compared to Singletary. 

[WideNine]

27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

When you look at it that way, I see your point, but to be a top QB, Allen must learn to do what the other top QBs have learned to do: it's not about beating the other team with your arm. 

 

It's about beating them with your mind. 

 

It's not about injured "horses".   A good team can always take away one thing you do well.  Then the QB's job is to burn them, and burn them, and burn them, with something else, until they adjust to put out the fire.

 

Then you burn them someplace else.

 

No, Beasley has never been about speed on the outside to carry the safeties deep and open up the middle.  Beasley is the "always open in the middle" guy.  Trouble is, we don't have another guy to take attention off him - that would be the TE on many teams.

 

Teams are leaving our outlet guys, RB and TE, so open they must be lonely at times and with enough green grass ahead of them to plant a Christmas Tree farm.  If Allen doesn't trust these guys to catch reliably, we need to move on to guys he can trust.  If Allen doesn't trust himself to hit those throws reliably**, he needs to practice again and again until he can.  If Allen doesn't see them because he's looking for the killer shot downfield, he needs to develop his field vision and the way he uses his mind.

 

Allen's arm is still incomparably valuable with the shorter throws in being able to get the ball in there in time.

 

**these were some of his worst throws at the combine and his pro day.

 

I see how the "that's what Smoke and Beasley were for" comment was confusing. I meant Smoke for the outside speed and Beasley for exploiting the middle but worded it wrong.

 

Never pictured Beasley taking the top off a defense. 

 

And agree Alan's biggest struggle will be reigning in the arm and patience.

 

Especially when our defense is struggling and the race for points thoughts start creeping in and he looks for homeruns when there are only base hits available.

 

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by WideNine

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

He had a perfectly set up screen to extend a drive and Singletary dropped the ball. He stunk up the field in the biggest game of his life. What happened to this guy? He was elusive, quick and productive. He became timid and tentative. Yeldon looked like Thurman compared to Singletary. 

 

I wouldn't go as far as that last, but yeah, Singletary fell off Big Time this year.  I'm willing to believe it's not all on him, but some of it is.

 

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He had no hot reads for the blitzes. He ran no draws or screens on the pressure from KC. He better find a big upgrade at RB & TE. This offense with Singletary and Knox is pretty sad. You can't expect your top 3 wrs to do everything. 

 

I'm gonna bet that when I go through the all-22, I'm going to find hot reads.

[Eastport bills]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I wouldn't go as far as that last, but yeah, Singletary fell off Big Time this year.  I'm willing to believe it's not all on him, but some of it is.

 

 

I'm gonna bet that when I go through the all-22, I'm going to find hot reads.

Do you mean the coaching didn't help his performance this season? I'm sure they saw the decline and went towards pass heavy offense with Moss featured in short yardage and killing the clock scenarios. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

25 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Do you mean the coaching didn't help his performance this season? I'm sure they saw the decline and went towards pass heavy offense with Moss featured in short yardage and killing the clock scenarios. 

 

I don't think Beane views the decline in run game as being primarily on Singletary.  As I said elsewhere, Beane won't tell you everything he's thinking but if he does say something, I believe he means it and it reflects his thinking.  In response to two separate questions, he talked about needing to "practice, emphasize, work on" the run game and about how it's unfair to single out the RBs for the decline in run production, how all the blocking needs to work and if one guy misses a block the run gets stuffed.

 

The first 7 weeks of the season especially, our OL was constantly in flux and missing 2/5 intended week1 starters, which would fit with that.  Once Feliciano came back and Morse returned from concussion, we settled down.

 

In the middle of the season when we focused on the run, Singletary got just as many carries as he did at the start of the season and broke more yards with them (Week 8, 12, and 13)

 

All that said, I don't think Singletary seemed as sharp or focused and driven as he was last year.  I think Gore provided leadership and player coaching that he badly missed.  He might also be the kind of guy who just really struggles with Zoom U. 

[Eastport bills]

36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think Beane views the decline in run game as being primarily on Singletary.  As I said elsewhere, Beane won't tell you everything he's thinking but if he does say something, I believe he means it and it reflects his thinking.  In response to two separate questions, he talked about needing to "practice, emphasize, work on" the run game and about how it's unfair to single out the RBs for the decline in run production, how all the blocking needs to work and if one guy misses a block the run gets stuffed.

 

The first 7 weeks of the season especially, our OL was constantly in flux and missing 2/5 intended week1 starters, which would fit with that.  Once Feliciano came back and Morse returned from concussion, we settled down.

 

In the middle of the season when we focused on the run, Singletary got just as many carries as he did at the start of the season and broke more yards with them (Week 8, 12, and 13)

 

All that said, I don't think Singletary seemed as sharp or focused and driven as he was last year.  I think Gore provided leadership and player coaching that he badly missed.  He might also be the kind of guy who just really struggles with Zoom U. 

I understand the desire to give Devin a pass, being a 2nd year player and for sure our pass protection was more consistent than run blocking. Having said that he doesn't break tackles and doesn't hit the hole like an explosive back. Williams looked like the type of hungry back in the Miami game, we need. Not necessarily Williams, but that type of hard running with aggression. 

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14 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

What's really odd with Daboll is he used to run tons of motions and mesh concepts but late in the regular season he abandoned them? Why? If you insist on keeping scrubs like Lee Smith, then for God sakes get him in there to max protect. Smith and Singletary's ONLY talent is to block.

 

we were seeing zone coverage where it isn't effective.