BillStime Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Good point. The bottom line remains that a lot of D's voted for it too. Less than Rs did, but that doesn't let them off the hook. The D's have run 3 people that voted for it for President ( Kerry, Clinton, and Biden ). If they didn't also like war they never would have nominated those 3. My own personal opinion is that anyone that voted for or promoted this fiasco should move to the Arizona dessert, wear sack cloth and ashes, do penance, and never be heard from again. But that's just me. No Monday morning QBing for me. I was against it from the start. I still have my Stop World War W button. I protested. I went to a prayer vigil the night before it started hoping against hope cooler heads would prevail. Just cuz you and Uncle Joe got snookered by W and Uncle Dick doesn't mean we all did. I love Monday Morning Quarterbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, BillStime said: I love Monday Morning Quarterbacks. Brilliant. Go over to the football side. A lot going on now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, TBBills said: The war where over 96% of republicans in the house voted for war where only 36% of democrats did? Or where 99% of republicans votes yes in the senate. You think you are clever but your inability to answer simple straight forward questions is sad especially when you call all other liars for showing you facts you don't like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Such steadfast adherence to fiscal discipline by Rick Scott. By steadfast, I mean since last Wednesday at noon. Like clockwork: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 hours ago, BillStime said: Such steadfast adherence to fiscal discipline by Rick Scott. By steadfast, I mean since last Wednesday at noon. Like clockwork: You can set your watch by it. Republicans get thrown out of power and start complaining about the deficit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) As expected, it's being downplayed and portrayed as a positive step for the U.S. by msm, like when Biden shutdown the XL pipeline, but this is another step by him making the U.S. less energy self dependent: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-26/biden-freeze-of-federal-fracking-leases-will-have-lasting-effects. Joe must think halting and discouraging U.S. energy developement and independency is good for growing the American economy. Edited January 27, 2021 by I am the egg man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Omg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Omg treasury secretary? Lol Talk about speaking with conviction and having no clue at the same time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Nothing important happened today. These are Biden's friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 New Republican stimulus proposal would cost $600B, include more direct checks: What to know https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/republican-stimulus-proposal-direct-checks Instead of $1.9T Biden Bill , sounds like a fair bipartisan compromise that will pass , right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, ALF said: New Republican stimulus proposal would cost $600B, include more direct checks: What to know https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/republican-stimulus-proposal-direct-checks Instead of $1.9T Biden Bill , sounds like a fair bipartisan compromise that will pass , right ? Lol from $1.9T to $600B... Not even close but they did it on purpose to try and make more issues instead of actually trying to help this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 So happy Biden and Dems are I st going to steamroll this through Congress! Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So happy Biden and Dems are I st going to steamroll this through Congress! Nice! Biden said he is open to making adjustments if the republicans want to so still time for them to help out... Or they can keep acting out. TBH I think they need to take care of themselves internally first before they are ready to join democracy again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 hours ago, TBBills said: Biden said he is open to making adjustments if the republicans want to so still time for them to help out... Or they can keep acting out. TBH I think they need to take care of themselves internally first before they are ready to join democracy again. Even Romney and Susan Collins and Jaime Herrera Beutler and others who voted for impeachment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 10:30 PM, reddogblitz said: You can set your watch by it. Republicans get thrown out of power and start complaining about the deficit. It's frustrating. I suppose it's even more frustrating for GOP voters who do care about the deficit who see them pass those massive spending bills when they control Congress and the presidency. However, the Democrats plan passed in the House is extremely popular so pass the darn thing through reconciliation and don't compromise with Republicans. If they scream about the debt just point out the last four years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 4:48 PM, reddogblitz said: Good point. The bottom line remains that a lot of D's voted for it too. Less than Rs did, but that doesn't let them off the hook. The D's have run 3 people that voted for it for President ( Kerry, Clinton, and Biden ). If they didn't also like war they never would have nominated those 3. My own personal opinion is that anyone that voted for or promoted this fiasco should move to the Arizona dessert, wear sack cloth and ashes, do penance, and never be heard from again. But that's just me. No Monday morning QBing for me. I was against it from the start. I still have my Stop World War W button. I protested. I went to a prayer vigil the night before it started hoping against hope cooler heads would prevail. Just cuz you and Uncle Joe got snookered by W and Uncle Dick doesn't mean we all did. democrats being the anti war party is just another lie. Sort of like Republicans being deficit conscious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: democrats being the anti war party is just another lie. Sort of like Republicans being deficit conscious. Iraq War was a Republican affair for the most part, with GOP voters strongly supporting it. Democrats were the ones who opposed, with some exceptions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Iraq War was a Republican affair for the most part, with GOP voters strongly supporting it. Democrats were the ones who opposed, with some exceptions. Lies. If the vote was just among D senators war wins 29-21. Your parties ‘anti war’ monicker is just another false narrative the hypnotized sheep eat hook line and sinker. This includes the president and the last D presidential candidate. it was an oil affair, not a Republican affair. It just so happens more oil money and interest flows to the R party, so they lied to their herd convincing them of some preemptive necessity. the best history teacher I ever had broke it down very simply. All wars ever were about money and power. Since most people aren’t willing to die for that, a different narrative like freedom is needed to sell. https://followthemoney.com/how-americas-petrodollar-system-influenced-the-2003-iraq-war/ Edited February 4, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Lies. If the vote was just among D senators war wins 29-21. Your parties ‘anti war’ monicker is just another false narrative the hypnotized sheep eat hook line and sinker. This includes the president and the last D presidential candidate. it was an oil affair, not a Republican affair. It just so happens more oil money and interest flows to the R party, so they lied to their herd convincing them of some preemptive necessity. the best history teacher I ever had broke it down very simply. All wars ever were about money and power. Since most people aren’t willing to die for that, a different narrative like freedom is needed to sell. https://followthemoney.com/how-americas-petrodollar-system-influenced-the-2003-iraq-war/ And how did the Republicans vote for it? The anti-war sentiment came from the left while the right cheered it on with a bloodlust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Lies. If the vote was just among D senators war wins 29-21. Your parties ‘anti war’ monicker is just another false narrative the hypnotized sheep eat hook line and sinker. it was an oil affair, not a Republican affair. It just so happens more oil money and interest flows to the R party, so they lied to their herd convincing them of some preemptive necessity. The Bush administration pushed the WMB narrative and everyone bought it, Dem's and Rep's alike. Officials like Rumsfeld and Powell testified to Congress about the WMD peril. Committed perjury but nobody was prosecuted or held accountable. No hearings, no nothing. Deep State 1, Truth 0. If it was Trump, an outsider to the Washington establishment and power that did this imagine the uproar from the deep state and their media shills. Along with this was the suggestion Saddam had something to do with the 911 attacks which was completely false. While brutal his regime keep the religious extremists under control. And contained the ambitions of Iran. The fact almost all the hijackers in 911 were Saudi nationals and the US government refuses for 20 years under several administrations to declassify or provide answers to questions surrounding the plot and co-conspirators in that Middle East nation says all you need to know about how much our government values its citizens. As a results 100's of thousands of Iraqi's died while millions were displaced. Thousands of US service men and women were killed, wounded, or left with PTSD. $100's of billions were wasted on destruction and war and sweetheart deals and contracts for well-connected companies and big corporations. Also, Iran with their natural enemy removed by America is now free to roam the region. A global refugee problem resulted. Then Obama continued this while F'ing up Libya, Syria, and almost Eqypt. Trump supporting the Saudi's in Yemen. And currently Biden is filling out his team with former Obama war hawks. Guess whats coming? I wish everyone would get it and see there are insiders with power and outsiders with no power. Not Democrats or Republicans. We have one party rule where 90% of what happens, happens no matter which party is in charge while the other 10% moves left and right. We all fight and debate over that 10%. What's needed is some critical questioning and push back about the 90%. Instead we have national debates about gender pronouns and other insignificant nonsense. Issues generated by the elite to keep the plebs focus off their activities. Edited February 4, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Tiberius said: And how did the Republicans vote for it? The anti-war sentiment came from the left while the right cheered it on with a bloodlust Most Republicans voted for it as I inferred. Just like most Democrats voted for it. spare me your naive need to vindicate your sacred leaders. There is blood on the hands of the majority of politicians when it comes to most wars. 6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The Bush administration pushed the WMB narrative and everyone bought it, Dem's and Rep's alike. Officials like Rumsfeld and Powell testified to Congress about the WMD peril. Committed perjury but nobody was prosecuted or held accountable. No hearings, no nothing. Deep State 1, Truth 0. If it was Trump, an outsider to the Washington establishment and power that did this imagine the uproar from the deep state and their media shills. Along with this was the suggestion Saddam had something to do with the 911 attacks which was completely false. While brutal his regime keep the religious extremists under control. And contained the ambitions of Iran. As a results 100's of thousands of Iraqi's died while millions were displaced. Thousands of US service men and women were killed, wounded, or left with PTSD. $100's of billions were wasted on destruction and war and sweetheart deals and contracts for well-connected companies and big corporations. Also, Iran with their natural enemy removed by America is now free to roam the region. A global refugee problem resulted. Then Obama continued this while F'ing up Libya, Syria, and almost Eqypt. Trump supporting the Saudi's in Yemen. And currently Biden is filling out his team with former Obama war hawks. Guess whats coming? I wish everyone would get it and see there are insiders with power and outsiders with no power. Not Democrats or Republicans. We have one party rule where 90% of what happens, happens no matter which party is in charge while the other 10% moves left and right. We all fight and debate over that 10%. What's needed is some critical questioning and push back about the 90%. Instead we have national debates about gender pronouns and other insignificant nonsense. the respective media echo chambers act as marketing tools for exactly this and gloss over their inability for neutral critical thinking. I’m not sure about any deep state, I think it’s shallow politicians doing it right in front of us. Edited February 4, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Most Republicans voted for it as I inferred. Just like most Democrats voted for it. spare me your naive need to vindicate your sacred leaders. There is blood on the hands of the majority of politicians when it comes to most wars. the respective media echo chambers act as marketing tools for exactly this and gloss over their inability for neutral critical thinking. I’m not sure about any deep state, I think it’s shallow politicians doing it right in front of us. No, the Republicans were furiously for the war, the Dems lukewarm at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, the Republicans were furiously for the war, the Dems lukewarm at best. Only Lukewarm about sending 20 year olds to die. How noble.... 🐑 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Only Lukewarm about sending 20 year olds to die. How noble.... 🐑 Better than the Republicans did, who were ALL IN on the war. Dems, not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 McConnell slams Democrats for using the same mechanism to force through COVID-19 stimulus that he used to pass the 2017 tax cuts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 Quote Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) on Thursday will propose providing at least $3,000 per child to millions of American families, lending bipartisan support to President Biden’s push to dramatically expand child benefits. Romney’s proposal would provide $4,200 per year for every child up to the age of 6, as well as $3,000 per year for every child age 6 to 17. Senior Democrats are currently drafting legislation as part of their $1.9 trillion stimulus proposal that would provide $3,600 per year for every child up to the age of 6, as well as $3,000 for every child aged 6 to 17. The emergence of Romney’s child benefits plan as Democrats prepare a similar effort could give the White House an opportunity to incorporate policies with bipartisan support into its relief package. Romney has said Biden’s stimulus proposal is too expensive, meaning he may vote against the broader plan even if it includes much of his new child benefits proposal. https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/02/04/romney-child-benefit-stimulus/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Better than the Republicans did, who were ALL IN on the war. Dems, not so much Also incorrect... but keep getting bamboozled by your two party right/wrong, good/bad construct. That’s what they all want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Lies. If the vote was just among D senators war wins 29-21. Your parties ‘anti war’ monicker is just another false narrative the hypnotized sheep eat hook line and sinker. This includes the president and the last D presidential candidate. it was an oil affair, not a Republican affair. It just so happens more oil money and interest flows to the R party, so they lied to their herd convincing them of some preemptive necessity. the best history teacher I ever had broke it down very simply. All wars ever were about money and power. Since most people aren’t willing to die for that, a different narrative like freedom is needed to sell. https://followthemoney.com/how-americas-petrodollar-system-influenced-the-2003-iraq-war/ Here is another good take on war and why it happens and who profits. It was written by Smedley Butler, the most decorated Marine in WW I. https://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket Its not very long. I highly recommend it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, BillStime said: Wow dumbest take imaginable... how about because corporations employ people? I’d rather my company be bailed out and keep my job then getting a one time government check, personally. and the narrative is that was a one party idea? https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/228836-obama-auto-bailout-was-the-right-thing-to-do Edited February 4, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I get boosting the economy when we are in the pandemic crisis we are in. I am a fiscal conservative, but I get it. But do it intelligently. Make sure small businesses and not big corporations get $$. Make sure the unemployed or underemployed get $$. I have been fortunate that my job has not been affected by the crisis; don't send people like me $1400 when so many others have been out of work and can use the $$. If you're going to do this do it with some sense of rationality and proportion. And then give us some kind of idea how , after we conquer the virus, what will be done to pay down the debt. Having close to 25 trillions of dollars of debt is simply untenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Also incorrect... but keep getting bamboozled by your two party right/wrong, good/bad construct. That’s what they all want. Right wing is bad. Keep trying to make it like, "Oh, they are all bad!" It's a dodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillStime said: 44 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Wow dumbest take imaginable... how about because corporations employ people? I’d rather my company be bailed out and keep my job then getting a one time government check, personally. and the narrative is that was a one party idea? https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/228836-obama-auto-bailout-was-the-right-thing-to-do great read... your link even explains well the chart above. Revving up the military complex is great for gdp. Edited February 4, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Right wing is bad. Keep trying to make it like, "Oh, they are all bad!" It's a dodge Thought control and group think is bad. But Keep buying what their selling ya. Right needs your hate as badly as left needs your love. That’s how it all works. you don’t have to pick sides in the ‘are not are too’ game. It’s not a dodge to be a free independent thinker skeptical of groups who’s sole purpose is obtaining and maintaining power. Edited February 4, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Thought control and group think is bad. But Keep buying what their selling ya. Right needs your hate as badly as left needs your love. That’s how it all works. you don’t have to pick sides in the ‘are not are too’ game. It’s not a dodge to be a free independent thinker skeptical of groups who’s sole purpose is obtaining and maintaining power. Republicans just really suck, that's why the American people have put them in the minority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: great read... your link even explains well the chart above. Reviving up the military complex is great for gdp. Elaborate here if you would... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Republicans just really suck, that's why the American people have put them in the minority just a different flock of sheep herded by different Sheppards. I’m sure they are programmed to think the same about you. 16 minutes ago, BillStime said: Elaborate here if you would... you didn’t realize one of the things politicians love about war, aside from re-election, media distraction and increased power is the positive impact on the economy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Billy Baldwin? Come on, man. He had ONE decent movie, Backdraft. Regardless of that, those companies employ people, finance all of the work done in our country (which also creates jobs), and generally are what keep the world economy spinning. And anyway, all those TARP bailouts have actually made money for the government: https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/ 43 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Republicans just really suck, that's why the American people have put them in the minority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: just a different flock of sheep herded by different Sheppards. I’m sure they are programmed to think the same about you. When things are going bad for one side, the side that is doing bad tries to make it seem like they are all bad. Or that both parties wanted that war. Nope, Bush the Republican wanted that war and was president. He rallied the base to it and Dems got labeled soft on terror or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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