EersN'Bills Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Going to school an hour from Pittsburgh, I can tell you most Steelers fans HATE Tomlin. The arguments have already been gone over: handed a great QB/Team, could never get by the Patriots with BB/TB, beat the weakest team to make a Super Bowl (Cardinals) etc. I think he's a good coach and would definitely get hired if he was ever fired. But the Steelers haven't fired a coach since the guy before Chuck Noll in 1968 or something. I doubt they do this year after an 11-1 start no matter how it ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Man, I hate threads like these just out of superstition lol I'd just feel so dumb if I said "yeah, definitely!" only to watch the Bills get manhandled later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 2:29 AM, ganesh said: However, he had the benefit of a Franchise QB handed to him on day one (one that had just won a super bowl) and has had him for his entire career. As we see with Josh, a Franchise QB makes all the difference. I would still hire him though...He brings tenacity to the team. His approach has been very similar to McDermott Yeah its interesting how a franchise QB makes for a heckuva lot of great coaches. Not many HoF coaches that didnt have an elite qb. Maybe Tuna is the only one that comes to mind, the rest all seemed to have top qb's. QB's make everything sink or swim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 I am sure I missed a bunch of chat. I think Tomlin is a good manager of personalities but a poor manager of the clock, in short. He is good with building team culture but he isn’t good at making in game decisions and adjusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackngolddigger Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Depends on whose rating you go by. I consider him to be slightly above average. He keeps the Steelers competitive but doesn't give them any special advantage beyond their talent level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 8:25 PM, thenorthremembers said: Dont care for him as a human being, but have to say he is a fantastic head coach. Honestly, think there may only be three coaches better than him in the entire NFL. Belichick, Reid and Payton (and Payton is debatable). He is 21st all time in wins and is only 48 years old. He could realistically coach another 15-20 years. By the law of averages that would put him top 5 all time. He is also already on the books as the youngest coach to ever win a Super Bowl. Yes, he has had Ben his entire career, and Ben is great but he isnt Brady great where you can make an argument it was all the QB. I really dont know if there is a sound argument to be made that Tomlin is overrated, he is a fantastic coach who probably ends up in the Hall of Fame. Benn has been as good a QB as Brady. However, I don't think the Steelers as an organization have put the type of team and coaching staff like Belichek has done for Benn and the Steelers to win more than 2 super bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/13/2020 at 5:21 PM, QLBillsFan said: Currently his receiver core is among the best in the NFL yes imho. He said after the Skins game he will replace them if they don’t catch the ball. My point is he’s angry guy to his team publicly two weeks in a row. I’m not sure that’s the best long term approach to this season. I think it is overrated. Claypool I think could be special. JuJu has failed as a #1. He was a great #2 when Antonio Brown drew double coverage. He has been a below par #1 since. Johnson doesn't catch the ball and Washington is a reasonable #3 but no more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Seems they have fallen off for sure. I expected more vs Bills. Not that I wanted them to play great. Impressive shut down by Bills. How much of this is on Big Ben 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 If Tomlin got fired from Pitt he would be unemployed for about 5 seconds. Despite their recent struggles he is an excellent HC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/13/2020 at 12:51 PM, EersN'Bills said: Going to school an hour from Pittsburgh, I can tell you most Steelers fans HATE Tomlin. I went to school an hour from Pittsburgh too and I can tell you with certainty that there are plenty of people out there who hate Tomlin for reasons other than football. His winning percentage is better than Cowher's. He's reached and won as many Super Bowls as Cowher. Tomlin has never had a losing record. Cowher had a losing record 3 times. Cowher missed the playoffs 5 times in 11 years. Tomlin missed the playoffs 5 times in 14 years so far. Yet Cowher is a God in that town and as you point out there are a large number of people who would have Tomlin fired tomorrow. Hmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 You never miss a good thing until it’s gone. I know the Eagles won a Super Bowl, but you don’t think the fans miss Andy Reid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 11:10 AM, QLBillsFan said: Seems they have fallen off for sure. I expected more vs Bills. Not that I wanted them to play great. Impressive shut down by Bills. How much of this is on Big Ben 🤷🏻♂️ Their offense is broken right now. They can't run the ball effectively and Ben is struggling mightily to throw the ball downfield. Whether that's his post surgery arm or his knee or a combination of both IDK. Their entire offense is a short passing game. That's hard to sustain in general, but its even worse when you lead the league in dropped passes. 2 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: You never miss a good thing until it’s gone. I know the Eagles won a Super Bowl, but you don’t think the fans miss Andy Reid? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: I went to school an hour from Pittsburgh too and I can tell you with certainty that there are plenty of people out there who hate Tomlin for reasons other than football. His winning percentage is better than Cowher's. He's reached and won as many Super Bowls as Cowher. Tomlin has never had a losing record. Cowher had a losing record 3 times. Cowher missed the playoffs 5 times in 11 years. Tomlin missed the playoffs 5 times in 14 years so far. Yet Cowher is a God in that town and as you point out there are a large number of people who would have Tomlin fired tomorrow. Hmmm.... Cowher won 1 SB with 2 years with his Franchise QB. Tomlin has had Benn for his entire career (15 years) and has 2 SB appearances to show for it. Cowher, when given the right team immediately won the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, ganesh said: Cowher won 1 SB with 2 years with his Franchise QB. Tomlin has had Benn for his entire career (15 years) and has 2 SB appearances to show for it. Cowher, when given the right team immediately won the SB. Cowher had arguably the best overall roster in the NFL for almost his entire career and continually found ways to lose to inferior teams year after year after year. Then when he did get his only title it was because Dick LeBeau won it for him with one of the most brilliant stretches of defensive coaching you'll ever see. Cowher may be a nice fella but he is probably the most overrated head coach I have ever seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 3:35 AM, Billy Claude said: Wasn't this what they said about Andy Reid before he won the last Super Bowl -- i.e.., that he was a very good coach but would always get out-coached in the big games? Yes only they are saying about Tomlinson who has actually won a SuperBowl already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Their offense is broken right now. They can't run the ball effectively and Ben is struggling mightily to throw the ball downfield. Whether that's his post surgery arm or his knee or a combination of both IDK. Their entire offense is a short passing game. That's hard to sustain in general, but its even worse when you lead the league in dropped passes. Nope. They are suffering right now what the Bills went through with Trent, EJ, and Tyrod. When the only effective passing game is short to intermediate zones (between 0 and 10 yards) - it draws the entire defense closer to the line. That effectively puts even more guys along the line of scrimmage to kill whatever running game you may have. Then you couple that with an immobile QB and you invite run/pass blitzes making it even worse and it becomes a self-fulfilling circle where gaps are filled - so no running lanes, pressure is coming so you have to get the ball out quickly, the WRs are covered immediately and then also drop to many passes. Now the question becomes (and this is where coaching comes in) - How do you change this in season with the players you have? What options can you adjust in terms of speed/arm strength, mobility, o-line combinations, RB, etc. to either back the defense off or burn them. Right now Tomlin is failing them because this is 5-6 games with these issues and nothing looks different. I don’t care if it is a play or two out of a wildcat with a speedster at QB trying to just get the DC on the opponent to have to adjust to you for a few plays - they need something. As I said early in this thread - I think Tomlin is a master motivator and gets his team fired up on game day, but he is not an X’s and O’s guy. He would be and should be snatched up as another coach as he gets results, but I just do not think he can fix or adjust his team as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 47 minutes ago, Greg S said: If Tomlin got fired from Pitt he would be unemployed for about 5 seconds. Despite their recent struggles he is an excellent HC. I'd want to play for the dude and you're right he'd be hired in an instant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ganesh said: Cowher won 1 SB with 2 years with his Franchise QB. Tomlin has had Benn for his entire career (15 years) and has 2 SB appearances to show for it. Cowher, when given the right team immediately won the SB. When given the right team? Jesus, that was the second to last year he coached. And then he turned around with that right team and went 8-8. C'mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said: They are suffering right now what the Bills went through with Trent, EJ, and Tyrod. When the only effective passing game is short to intermediate zones (between 0 and 10 yards) - it draws the entire defense closer to the line. That effectively puts even more guys along the line of scrimmage to kill whatever running game you may have. Then you couple that with an immobile QB and you invite run/pass blitzes making it even worse and it becomes a self-fulfilling circle where gaps are filled - so no running lanes, pressure is coming so you have to get the ball out quickly, the WRs are covered immediately and then also drop to many passes. Now the question becomes (and this is where coaching comes in) - How do you change this in season with the players you have? What options can you adjust in terms of speed/arm strength, mobility, o-line combinations, RB, etc. to either back the defense off or burn them. Right now Tomlin is failing them because this is 5-6 games with these issues and nothing looks different. I don’t care if it is a play or two out of a wildcat with a speedster at QB trying to just get the DC on the opponent to have to adjust to you for a few plays - they need something. As I said early in this thread - I think Tomlin is a master motivator and gets his team fired up on game day, but he is not an X’s and O’s guy. He would be and should be snatched up as another coach as he gets results, but I just do not think he can fix or adjust his team as needed. He's the Dabo Swinney of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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