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1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Are you seriously saying this?  Allen was brutally questioned about his long term viability because he took off and ran at the drop of a hat. He was called a RB playing QB and his upside was compared to Tim Tebow.

 

I get what you're saying with respect to Jackson but the LAST QB in the NFL to use as the example would be Allen.  Almost every "expert" was saying he was a bust and a joke of a QB.

 

An honest and non-racial take on the 2018 QB class was that BOTH Jackson & Allen, who were both gifted but very unconventional QB's, were going to be busts while Rosen, Darnold & Mayfield were all super stars in the making.

 

The topic of discussion by Mr. Foxworth and others should be the irony that the likely two best QB's from that class are Allen & Jackson.  And that this may be ushering in a new reality where unconventional QBing will rule the day in the NFL.

 

As for the comments about Bills fans with American flags and Dogs on their social media pages being racist. I can't even wrap my mind around such foolishness.

 

 

 

 

I did say that Allen was different because he was heavily criticized.  I do generally agree with you.  But one of the best thing about some fans is they will defend their team to the death. But some take it way to personal.  Through 2 years, Allen wasn’t that great.  Now, he is an outright stud and if someone is criticizing at this point, they are an idiot. 
 

And the whole American flag is obnoxious. Sadly, it has been a political symbol which is such a joke.  There are some people that to proven how much of a “patriot” they are. I am willing to bet that an overwhelming majority of people on twitter who have American flags next to their name tend to lean a certain way politically.  It’s like the pictures of old dudes with sunglasses in their car.  Or rainbow flags. Or pronouns.  People are weirdly cult like on twitter. 
 

but yes, our country has become dumb enough where 🇺🇸 has come political.  We are so dumb.

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I listened to about two minutes of his podcast yesterday. That last two minutes i will ever tune into.   To summarize:   1. He holds a major grudge over the Bills handling of Tyrod

They didn’t like him when he came out of college and they won’t admit defeat until he wins a super bowl.  

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15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This whole thing is embarrassing. Reading some of the tweets, some idiot Bills fans just proved him right on the racist stuff.  I wish more fans would call out Those idiots. 
 

I think the original point is that for a while a guy who plays like Allen, If black, would be questioned about his long term ability to play quarterback.  That the white guy with questionable production against not great college competition while the Heisman trophy winning qb falls and gets talked about moving positions.  And through 2 years there was some truth in that.  A counter I would say in regards to Allen is he was a very criticized player.

 

as someone who has been skeptical of Allen through 2 years, IMO, there is absolutely nothing to question him about except maybe seeing how he does in the playoffs.  Dude has answer every question I have had about him and exceed as a player more than I ever imagine.  It doesn’t matter but I’m as proud of him as any player I have watched.  And the thing I really appreciate it is he didn’t get sensitive about it.  
 

I never got the need for fans to get so angry at people’s opinions.  I’m just throughly enjoying the season and see nothing negative about it.  But we do have some loser fans who take everything person and they make us look bad. Right now, Foxworth and Jones have been proven wrong on Allen.  That’s all that matters.  But there are those losers who say embarrassing things that we should never have associated with our fanbase. Obviously, it’s minority of idiots but I’d like to think we call out those losers.  Some fans get more mad s our this that Allen, who is laughing about it.  It’s weird. But don’t make us all look bad.

Allen, who is white, is still getting questioned about his long term ability to play quarterback. That's kind of the point of this thread.

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11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Read some of the angriest responses and look at the twitter feeds. The angriest group definitely tends to have some similarities. 

Dude.  Stop.  The Bills and every NFL team not named Jaguars have millions of fans.  Millions.  In any group of millions there are going to be racists.  There are probably also serial killers in there.  

 

To say Bills fans, or specifically Allen fans, are more apt to be racist than others should be backed up with numbers; not anecdotes or pictures of someone's flag avatar.  He has done nothing whatsoever to back that up because it is an out and out stupid premise and cannot be substantiated.  That's why he has to go anecdotal.  

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Just now, GoBills808 said:

Allen, who is white, is still getting questioned about his long term ability to play quarterback. That's kind of the point of this thread.

Yeah, I agree. But in this board, we had people trashing Jackson after winning the MVP here while praising Allen.  Now, and I try to stay in the moment, Allen is a better overall qb than Jackson.  But that wasn’t the case last year.

 

but as a “critic” (just didn’t think he was a good enough passer his first 2 years and he wasn’t), I really have no idea how you can criticize him as a player.  He has become a legit stud. 

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1 hour ago, CaliBills said:

You all have started down the political rabbit hole......

 

This topic will be locked soon I am sure.

Actually the moron Foxworth started it. The rest of us are Bills fans talking on a Bills discussion site about being attacked and classified a certain way by a ESPN talking head moron. 

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2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Dude.  Stop.  The Bills and every NFL team not named Jaguars have millions of fans.  Millions.  In any group of millions there are going to be racists.  There are probably also serial killers in there.  

 

To say Bills fans, or specifically Allen fans, are more apt to be racist than others should be backed up with numbers; not anecdotes or pictures of someone's flag avatar.  He has done nothing whatsoever to back that up because it is an out and out stupid premise and cannot be substantiated.  That's why he has to go anecdotal.  

I’m not going to stop. I don’t want to be grouped with racist idiots.  That’s the whole problem in this country. Calling out racist losers. I’d do it if it was around me.  
 

I want to be the best fanbase in the county. Not the one with “oh well, we have some racists what can you do.” 

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On 9/15/2020 at 12:47 AM, Special K said:

Skip to 10:55

 

 

These guys were complete jerks towards Josh Allen, and this isn't the first time they've done this to him.

 

I will never watch this show again when these two clowns are on it.....complete garbage from these guys!!

 

I think Bills Mafia need to get on these guys twitter accounts and let them know what we think of their opinions of Josh Allen!

The best thing we can do is ignore them .. don't watch there shows and don't watch their videos or comment on their twitter feeds. These guys and others (Nick Wright comes to mind) get to flaunt their number of clicks and that gets them more assignments. Ignore them or they will keep trolling a very passionate fanbase because it is economically wise for them to do so.

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, I agree. But in this board, we had people trashing Jackson after winning the MVP here while praising Allen.  Now, and I try to stay in the moment, Allen is a better overall qb than Jackson.  But that wasn’t the case last year.

 

Do you think that might have to with the fact that this is Bills forum and not a Ravens forum?  

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Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, I agree. But in this board, we had people trashing Jackson after winning the MVP here while praising Allen.  Now, and I try to stay in the moment, Allen is a better overall qb than Jackson.  But that wasn’t the case last year.

 

but as a “critic” (just didn’t think he was a good enough passer his first 2 years and he wasn’t), I really have no idea how you can criticize him as a player.  He has become a legit stud. 

If these criticisms of Allen were about his performance as a quarterback, that would be entirely fair game (he's not a perfect player). As were criticisms of Jackson imo. 

 

When it crosses into some referendum on an entire fanbase, comprised of all different kinds of people, that's a very different argument. It's irresponsible to say the least.

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22 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Read some of the angriest responses and look at the twitter feeds. The angriest group definitely tends to have some similarities. 

 

No, you're definitely making this up. The only similarity is passionate Bills fans. I have no clue where this stereotype started.

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Just now, chknwing334 said:

Do you think that might have to with the fact that this is Bills forum and not a Ravens forum?  

Oh for sure. It sound delusional last year but clearly this year, Allen is a better player. 

Just now, GoBills808 said:

If these criticisms of Allen were about his performance as a quarterback, that would be entirely fair game (he's not a perfect player). As were criticisms of Jackson imo. 

 

When it crosses into some referendum on an entire fanbase, comprised of all different kinds of people, that's a very different argument. It's irresponsible to say the least.

Yeah man, I have no real disagreement with any of this.  Allen made me a believer this year.  It doesn’t matter but he answer every doubt I had about him minus the playoffs.  And i can’t say it enough but his attitude is what really stands out.  He literally probably doesn’t care about this at all.  

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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

No, you're definitely making this up. The only similarity is passionate Bills fans. I have no clue where this stereotype started.

Maybe all the Bills fans have changed their avi's to dogs, flags and skull and crossbones so it's hare to tell 🤣

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13 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Dude.  Stop.  The Bills and every NFL team not named Jaguars have millions of fans.  Millions.  In any group of millions there are going to be racists.  There are probably also serial killers in there.  

 

To say Bills fans, or specifically Allen fans, are more apt to be racist than others should be backed up with numbers; not anecdotes or pictures of someone's flag avatar.  He has done nothing whatsoever to back that up because it is an out and out stupid premise and cannot be substantiated.  That's why he has to go anecdotal.  

 

This.  I'm very sure there are some angry responses from white supremicist proud boy types.

 

I'm pretty sure if he made similar comments about another team's fans he'd get similar angry responses from white supremicist proud boy types.

 

To imply that the Bills or fans of Josh Allen are predominantly thus, or to describe them in terms of American flags and dogs, is just stupid.  Ditto to link it to Josh Allen.

 

When I started modding, I realized 93% or so of the people I have to deal with are totally reasonable.  5% or so will flash back at me angrily and most of them calm down in a hot minute and settle in.  But 2% or so just go nutsoid over the top and I'm like Whoaoao Dude!  All this, Over a Message Board?  You're nuts! (I didn't say that).  Then someone pointed out that in any population, something like 3% of people have a type of mental illness that could lead to that sort of response and I was basically encountering the amount of this one might reasonably predict or expect.  It is what it is.

 

(I'm not trying to say white supremicist proud boy types are mentally ill, just that one is going to get fringe responses from fringe people of all types)

 

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Welp now I want that dog. 

 

Dogs.  They're good.  Get the T-shirt.

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14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

we had people trashing Jackson after winning the MVP here while praising Allen.  Now, and I try to stay in the moment, Allen is a better overall qb than Jackson.  But that wasn’t the case last year

 

People backed up that opinion and have been proven right 

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15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh, THAT'S ADORABLE!

 

That looks a lot like our little one when we got her a month ago. Of course, she can’t walk around with a flag in her mouth all the time, but  the headgear is pretty much full time apparel.  Nothing like a Pirate Puppy!  GRRRRRR!!!

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