Domestic terrorist attack in Wisconsin

[TBBills]

4 hours ago, BillStime said:

Thank you Trump supporters - destroying America one death at a time

 

 

 

Only crazy people would ever go to a rally.

4 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

So what is ANTIFA?  You're apparently the expert on such things.  Educate us, sir. 

For Bman anything that has #Antifa is ANTIFA 

[Unforgiven]

    Idiots go out rioting, are shocked that violence happens...

Other idiots come whining and bitching about it on the interweb to others that

had nothing to do with any of it.

 

Edited August 27, 2020 by Unforgiven

[B-Man]

 

 

35 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Only crazy people would ever go to a rally.

 

For Bman anything that has #Antifa is ANTIFA 

 

Still fits for all your replies

 

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

No.

 

But you knew that.

 

 

 

PS:  Saying only crazy people would go to a Trump rally is how you end up with more Trump..................LOL

 

 

 

 

[Kevbeau]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

We’ll he seems (seemed) like a delight.

 

I know you’ll all be shocked and I don’t want to post anything till confirmed. starting to see history emerge that the 3 shootees have/had a fairly comprehensive history of running afoul with the law, including some violent felonies.

Edited August 27, 2020 by Kevbeau

[RiotAct]

51 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

    Idiots go out rioting, are shocked that violence happens...

Other idiots come whining and bitching about it on the interweb to others that

had nothing to do with any of it.

 

I know MY opinion has been heavily swayed by all the fine, well-thought-out posts on here!

[Big Gun]

6 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Why did Blake make a move to enter his car bent over?  What was in the car?  We don't know. 

Blake admitted he had a knife on the driver side floor.

[I-town Bills]

2 hours ago, TBBills said:

Only crazy people would ever go to a rally.

For Bman anything that has #Antifa is ANTIFA 

Lol Antifa must be a right wing movement because they are the only ones who seem to know about it or mention it. antifa.com was based in Russia for some years before it got shut down. Still waiting for some/any criticism of Russia from our leader. Bizarre. Should I vote for Putin? 

 

Let's not encourage people with guns to go into other communities during social unrest. We can do better. This is just blood-letting. 

[TBBills]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Still fits for all your replies

 

 

 

PS:  Saying only crazy people would go to a Trump rally is how you end up with more Trump..................LOL

 

 

 

 

Guy uses lol b.c he knows he isn't funny.

[Niagara Bill]

4 hours ago, Big Gun said:

Blake admitted he had a knife on the driver side floor.

I do not see the knife as an issue at all. 

Here is the issue imho.

1. There was no imminent danger

2. The crime being investigated does not warrant such a violent reaction from police.

3. They know who this guy is, even if he runs they will get him.

4. Disable the car.

5. And the big issue....not 1 shot to the leg...to stop him,,,,,,but 7 or 8 in the back..  you would never shoot a deer 8 times, or a bear. That leads me...a white guy to say this is a hate crime by a gutless cop.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 hours ago, Magox said:

 

 

You should watch the video.  And sadly yes, if he hadn't of been there, those 2 people would be alive.  But we can't erase the fact that those people were looking to do bodily harm to him and the notion that they were going to chase after someone who was armed was incredibly stupid and because of their actions, they died.

 

It took two to tango.

 

"Sadly."

 

 

[Doc Brown]

27 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

I do not see the knife as an issue at all. 

Here is the issue imho.

1. There was no imminent danger

2. The crime being investigated does not warrant such a violent reaction from police.

3. They know who this guy is, even if he runs they will get him.

4. Disable the car.

5. And the big issue....not 1 shot to the leg...to stop him,,,,,,but 7 or 8 in the back..  you would never shoot a deer 8 times, or a bear. That leads me...a white guy to say this is a hate crime by a gutless cop.

Or a scared human being.  Why officers don't go through a more rigorous training process is beyond me.  About 2/3rds of states allow police officers to start working before they go through basic training.

[Niagara Bill]

13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Or a scared human being.  Why officers don't go through a more rigorous training process is beyond me.  About 2/3rds of states allow police officers to start working before they go through basic training.

I can agree it is training related, police are trained as military force to be used against citizens. Was he frightened...no...He has been there before....was he out if control...yes! Was he power hungry...yes!

Did he follow his training...perhaps but I do not know that..but does not stop it from being a hate crime,

[Reality Check]

10 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Oh I see a man woman of few words. 

 

 

[SectionC3]

7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Still fits for all your replies

 

 

 

PS:  Saying only crazy people would go to a Trump rally is how you end up with more Trump..................LOL

 

 

 

 

 

Actually a combination of crazy people voting for Trump, reasonable people wasting votes on Jill Stein, and an atrocious Hillary Clinton campaign gave rise tot his mess. 

[Westside]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

I can agree it is training related, police are trained as military force to be used against citizens. Was he frightened...no...He has been there before....was he out if control...yes! Was he power hungry...yes!

Did he follow his training...perhaps but I do not know that..but does not stop it from being a hate crime,

Now it's a hate crime???

WTF are you talking about? You would have done the same damn thing if you were in his shoes. Since when is a knife not an issue when you plan to use it on someone? You say 8 shots? There were 7, let's keep exaggerating the amount of shots fired. Face it, the guy was a real POS, he got what he was looking for. He'll probably get a nice settlement from the city. He just won the lotto in his mind. People like you keep coddling these criminals. Can't wait until they turn on you, and they will. Just a matter of time.

[Niagara Bill]

Just now, westside2 said:

Now it's a hate crime???

WTF are you talking about? You would have done the same damn thing if you were in his shoes. Since when is a knife not an issue when you plan to use it on someone? You say 8 shots? There were 7, let's keep exaggerating the amount of shots fired. Face it, the guy was a real POS, he got what he was looking for. He'll probably get a nice settlement from the city. He just won the lotto in his mind. People like you keep coddling these criminals. Can't wait until they turn on you, and they will. Just a matter of time.

Yes a hate crime...the guy was a real pos???.you have no idea who he is.

So, what crime did he committ that warranted being shot 7 times in the back...was that because he was a real POS  in the cops mind?

He got what he is looking for and now wins the lottery? 

I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON. 

 

There is not a hunter in the world that would shoot an animal in the back 7 times..out of respect. They would kill it to reduce suffering with 1 shot.

This is a hate crime!

 

Thanks for wishing harm on me...we NOW know who is the POS.

[Westside]

Just now, Niagara Bill said:

Yes a hate crime...the guy was a real pos???.you have no idea who he is.

So, what crime did he committ that warranted being shot 7 times in the back...was that because he was a real POS  in the cops mind?

He got what he is looking for and now wins the lottery? 

I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON. 

 

There is not a hunter in the world that would shoot an animal in the back 7 times..out of respect. They would kill it to reduce suffering with 1 shot.

This is a hate crime!

 

Thanks for wishing harm on me...we NOW know who is the POS.

I wouldn't call that scumbag an animal. That's an insult to animals. A hate crime! LMAO!!!

You're a real piece of work, keep siding with the criminals. Let's see how that goes. Stay in canada and stay out of our politics.

[Reality Check]

6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Yes a hate crime...the guy was a real pos???.you have no idea who he is.

So, what crime did he committ that warranted being shot 7 times in the back...was that because he was a real POS  in the cops mind?

He got what he is looking for and now wins the lottery? 

I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON. 

 

There is not a hunter in the world that would shoot an animal in the back 7 times..out of respect. They would kill it to reduce suffering with 1 shot.

This is a hate crime!

 

Thanks for wishing harm on me...we NOW know who is the POS.

 

[Kangaxx]

I guess one of the people who passed away in the shooting was a pedophile. I think the other may have been a domestic abuser.  I wonder why some of these people are so fond of the idea of abolishing the police. 

 

https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Joseph-D-Rosenbaum.html

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForReal said:

I guess one of the people who passed away in the shooting was a pedophile. I think the other may have been a domestic abuser.  I wonder why some of these people are so fond of the idea of abolishing the police. 

 

https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Joseph-D-Rosenbaum.html

 

Were any communists killed in this battle?  I have to believe that at least one of these guys was a communist. 

[Niagara Bill]

5 minutes ago, westside2 said:

I wouldn't call that scumbag an animal. That's an insult to animals. A hate crime! LMAO!!!

You're a real piece of work, keep siding with the criminals. Let's see how that goes. Stay in canada and stay out of our politics.

Not siding with a criminal. They didn't shoot Jeffrey Dahlmer in the back 7 times. 

There is no way you can justify your hatred or the action of this professional cop. 

I hate crime too. I hate gangs, I hate drugs, I hate violence and I hate guns. 

But I equally hate racism. 

I do find it interesting that you think this is a political issue. 

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, westside2 said:

I wouldn't call that scumbag an animal. That's an insult to animals. A hate crime! LMAO!!!

You're a real piece of work, keep siding with the criminals. Let's see how that goes. Stay in canada and stay out of our politics.

 

What crime did that guy commit to warrant being shot seven times in the back on a public street?  Must have been pretty bad. 

[Westside]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForReal said:

I guess one of the people who passed away in the shooting was a pedophile. I think the other may have been a domestic abuser.  I wonder why some of these people are so fond of the idea of abolishing the police. 

 

https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Joseph-D-Rosenbaum.html

Pedophiles and scumbags are the main supporters of biden.

[SectionC3]

Just now, westside2 said:

Pedophiles and scumbags are the main supporters of biden.

 

I must have missed the NAMBLA endorsement for Biden.  Do you have a link?

[Westside]

1 minute ago, Niagara Bill said:

Not siding with a criminal. They didn't shoot Jeffrey Dahlmer in the back 7 times. 

There is no way you can justify your hatred or the action of this professional cop. 

I hate crime too. I hate gangs, I hate drugs, I hate violence and I hate guns. 

But I equally hate racism. 

I do find it interesting that you think this is a political issue. 

There isn't one iota of proof the cop is a racist. But that didn't stop you from assuming he's a racist.

Jeffrey Dahmer????

WTF are you talking about????

You lost it. 

[Niagara Bill]

2 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Pedophiles and scumbags are the main supporters of biden.

Sick man!

[Westside]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I must have missed the NAMBLA endorsement for Biden.  Do you have a link?

You're a member, you should already have a link.

Just now, Niagara Bill said:

Sick man!

Look in the mirror

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

I do not see the knife as an issue at all. 

Here is the issue imho.

1. There was no imminent danger

2. The crime being investigated does not warrant such a violent reaction from police.

3. They know who this guy is, even if he runs they will get him.

4. Disable the car.

5. And the big issue....not 1 shot to the leg...to stop him,,,,,,but 7 or 8 in the back..  you would never shoot a deer 8 times, or a bear. That leads me...a white guy to say this is a hate crime by a gutless cop.

In most states getting a license to cut hair requires more hours of training than it does to become a police officer.  So better training and situational awareness is part of the problem.

 

That said, I grow weary of the narrative that the suspect in each and every one of these situations is 100% the "victim".  Such as in this case the usual apologists assigning 100% of the blame for the outcome to the cops.  That avoids any consideration that the actions and behavior of the suspect contributed to the outcome.  Bad actions lead to bad consequences.  Why didn't he just comply with their requests during the stop?  Plain and simple.         

 

Its been reported he guy was driving drunk with 3 kids in the vehicle.  An action that is completely irresponsible.  So as you say "he runs they will get him".  What if he gets in the car, takes off, the cops pursue him, and he crashes and kills his 3 kids in the vehicle?  Perhaps blame the cops for chasing the suspect?

 

The suspect struggles and fights with the cops on the right side of the vehicle and moves around to the driver side door.  What do you think is going to happen next?  The conflict most likely will escalate. 

 

The knife is an issue.  Why does anyone carry weapons in their vehicle?  Either to initiate a confrontation or to be prepared to respond to one.  And what other weapons might he have then?  If you're the cops you've got to be thinking that too.  I know I would be.  But you wouldn't?  He's got a rap sheet so you know he's no first-timer with encountering law enforcement so you need to be prepared.  Maybe he's got a gun and goes to the car, you passively allow him to do so, he retrieves the weapon and kills both of you. 

 

Shoot him in the leg?  Unless its a high caliber round that generally is not going to instantaneously "take down" a suspect that is ignoring the instructions of the police and reaching into a vehicle for some unknown item.  Should they have fired so many shots?  Probably not, but its not like you're standing around with all the time in the world to react looking at a clip board with the checklist of things you should do and go through.    

Edited August 27, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills

[Reality Check]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I must have missed the NAMBLA endorsement for Biden.  Do you have a link?

 

[Niagara Bill]

Just now, westside2 said:

There isn't one iota of proof the cop is a racist. But that didn't stop you from assuming he's a racist.

Jeffrey Dahmer????

WTF are you talking about????

You lost it. 

I think Dahlmers crimes were a little worse than anything this guy did...He didn't get shot in the back by a coward 7 times.

It didn't stop you from thinking the victim was a scumbag worse than any animal.

You are one sick man or woman. 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, westside2 said:

You're a member, you should already have a link.

Look in the mirror

 

Yeah, no.  Sorry.  It's more likely that you're the member and you're just trying to deceive and distract us with your lies.  One more misstep like that and you're going on the Suspected NAMBLA Supporter List. 

[Reality Check]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Yeah, no.  Sorry.  It's more likely that you're the member and you're just trying to deceive and distract us with your lies.  One more misstep like that and you're going on the Suspected NAMBLA Supporter List. 

 

[Westside]

1 minute ago, Niagara Bill said:

I think Dahlmers crimes were a little worse than anything this guy did...He didn't get shot in the back by a coward 7 times.

It didn't stop you from thinking the victim was a scumbag worse than any animal.

You are one sick man or woman. 

Lol, you need a break from this board. I'm worried about your mental health. So much anger and hostility. I hope you don't go out and hurt innocent people. I think you need some professional help. I'm serious, you are not well. Get help today.

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

You need help. Seek professional counseling, before it's to late.

[Reality Check]

4 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

I think Dahlmers crimes were a little worse than anything this guy did...He didn't get shot in the back by a coward 7 times.

It didn't stop you from thinking the victim was a scumbag worse than any animal.

You are one sick man or woman. 

 

[Niagara Bill]

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

In most states getting a license to cut hair requires more hours of training than it does to become a police officer.  So better training and situational awareness is part of the problem.

 

That said, I grow weary of the narrative that the suspect in each and every one of these situations is 100% the "victim".  Such as in this case the usual apologists assigning 100% of the blame for the outcome to the cops.  That avoids any consideration that the actions and behavior of the suspect contributed to the outcome.  Bad actions lead to bad consequences.  Why didn't he just comply with their requests during the stop?  Plain and simple.         

 

Its been reported he guy was driving drunk with 3 kids in the vehicle.  An action that is completely irresponsible.  So as you say "he runs they will get him".  What if he gets in the car, takes off, the cops pursue him, and he crashes and kills his 3 kids in the vehicle?  Perhaps blame the cops for chasing the suspect?

 

The suspect struggles and fights with the cops on the right side of the vehicle and moves around to the driver side door.  What do you think is going to happen next?  The conflict most likely will escalate. 

 

The knife is an issue.  Why does anyone carry weapons in their vehicle?  Either to initiate a confrontation or to be prepared to respond to one.  And what other weapons might he have then?  If you're the cops you've got to be thinking that too.  I know I would be.  But you wouldn't?  He's got a rap sheet so you know he's no first-timer with encountering law enforcement so you need to be prepared.  Maybe he's got a gun and goes to the car, you passively allow him to do so, he retrieves the weapon and kills both of you. 

 

Shoot him in the leg?  Unless its a high caliber round that generally is not going to instantaneously "take down" a suspect that is ignoring the instructions of the police and reaching into a vehicle for some unknown item.  Should they have fired so many shots?  Probably not, but its not like you're standing around with all the time in the world to react looking at a clip board with the checklist of things you should do and go through.    

Thanks for the thoughts from an intelligent person. 

I do believe  this is truly a police training , police selection issue and societal problem. If some like Westside is involved in the process we see the results. 

There can be no justification for shooting an unarmed person in the back 7 times. Even Dirty Harry wouldn't do that.

[Westside]

2 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Thanks for the thoughts from an intelligent person. 

I do believe  this is truly a police training , police selection issue and societal problem. If some like Westside is involved in the process we see the results. 

There can be no justification for shooting an unarmed person in the back 7 times. Even Dirty Harry wouldn't do that.

Thank God you're not a police officer. You're a mentally disturbed individual who coddles criminals and sees racists around every corner.

Get help.

[Reality Check]

5 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Thanks for the thoughts from an intelligent person. 

I do believe  this is truly a police training , police selection issue and societal problem. If some like Westside is involved in the process we see the results. 

There can be no justification for shooting an unarmed person in the back 7 times. Even Dirty Harry wouldn't do that.

 

[H2o]

The kid was there to help business owners protect their property. In retrospect it was a life altering decision. Two people are dead, one person basically had his bicep blown off, and his life took a drastic turn in the wrong direction. He has to live with this for the rest of his life, knowing that this took place at his hands. He'll do time in prison I'm sure. I am also fairly certain it's a decision he now wholeheartedly regrets. But I don't know him personally, so I can't attest to his mental state. 

 

What we do know is that he was initially attacked by one of these mobs, a guy tried to take his weapon from him, the gun was discharged for whatever reason, and he is dead. Bullet to the dome piece. The kid was then attacked furthermore, was being beaten by someone with a skateboard, fired the gun in self defense , and that person is dead. Bullet to the chest. There is a guy who had a pistol in his hand, more than likely threatening to kill the kid, kid fires, and blows off part of his arm. Don't give me the "he was carrying a cell phone" bs because he was clearly holding a pistol as seen in multiple photos, videos. 

 

There is talk all of this started with Molotov cocktails being thrown at the kid. There are pictures I have seen, but you can't peg it for certain. I don't know what started the whole thing. What I do know is if there was ACTUALLY law and order right now then absolutely NONE of this would happen. Jack*sses wouldn't be beating people, looting, destroying property, or burning places to the ground. Other people wouldn't be out there trying to defend these places from these jack*sses who are in the streets doing all of the beating, looting, destroying property, and burning to the ground. The kid wasn't out there with a tree stand like he was hunting deer. He is however a kid who thrust himself into a situation he should have never been in and now his life has changed forever. You want to tie him to Trump? Whatever. You can tie the thousands upon thousands of jack*sses who have been pillaging, looting, burning, beating, and destroying to the entire Democrat party. They are aiding and abetting the real domestic terrorists every day. Same with Hollywood, the music industry, the mainstream media, and these athletes. Thankfully I think for myself and don't believe a word that dribbles out of their mouths, nor do I allow them to influence me in any way. The world would be a better place if everyone else who doesn't now actually started to do the same. 

[dubs]

16 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Not siding with a criminal. They didn't shoot Jeffrey Dahlmer in the back 7 times. 

There is no way you can justify your hatred or the action of this professional cop. 

I hate crime too. I hate gangs, I hate drugs, I hate violence and I hate guns. 

But I equally hate racism. 

I do find it interesting that you think this is a political issue. 

you are siding with a criminal. 

 

ill wait for more information and in the meantime understand that it’s entirely plausible that the cops were called to respond to a domestic incident, involving someone with a previous criminal record, who proceeded to fight the cops, refused to comply, threaten the cops, and went to his car which had the interior concealed from the cops to get a weapon and use it against the police. 
 

I feel bad for people so manipulated by race hustlers, the Pravda media, and meaningless slogans. They clearly lack any ability to think for themselves and are manipulated to the point that they emotionally react without any consideration of reality. 
 

 

[SectionC3]

14 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Lol, you need a break from this board. I'm worried about your mental health. So much anger and hostility. I hope you don't go out and hurt innocent people. I think you need some professional help. I'm serious, you are not well. Get help today.

You need help. Seek professional counseling, before it's to late.

"Too" late.  Not "to late."  FYI. 

10 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Thanks for the thoughts from an intelligent person. 

I do believe  this is truly a police training , police selection issue and societal problem. If some like Westside is involved in the process we see the results. 

There can be no justification for shooting an unarmed person in the back 7 times. Even Dirty Harry wouldn't do that.

 

Well said.  The lens through which these policing decisions must be made is important.  It's easy to armchair quarterback what happens with the benefit of safety and time.  But seven times in the back?  I have a hard time comprehending how all of those shots are justified.