YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 $15 million a year for arguably the league’s best TE I think it’s a good deal for both sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Putin said: $15 million a year for arguably the league’s best TE I think it’s a good deal for both sides Agreed. Puts him 12th for WRs but blows up TE market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Can't say the guy isn't deserving. He's been a monster both blocking and receiving. Hopefully he passed on a lot to Knox during the workouts this offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Agreed. Puts him 12th for WRs but blows up TE market. I’d rather have Kettle then a $20 million a year Amari Cooper 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 can you guess what knox's deal will look like in a few years? 25 mil per? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 In the other thread they speculated a six-year $96 million deal. This one is more what I expected it makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, aristocrat said: can you guess what knox's deal will look like in a few years? 25 mil per? I can't guess until I see how he plays. He could be a star in a few years, out of the league, or anywhere in-between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I was watching NFL Network, Michael Irvin (Not a fan) stated 15 mil Per was about right. Not top level WR money but a large enough increase from other TEs. I thought that made sense. Kelce, Ertz and maybe Waller should be extremely happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Agreed. Puts him 12th for WRs but blows up TE market. Agreed. Not that Kittle hasn't earned it, but WOW! Is this going to be the norm for contracts on TE's going forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, qwksilver said: I was watching NFL Network, Michael Irvin (Not a fan) stated 15 mil Per was about right. Not top level WR money but a large enough increase from other TEs. I thought that made sense. Kelce, Ertz and maybe Waller should be extremely happy. Not Waller. He signed for $8M/year through 2023. Although he'll have to show that last year wasn't a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 33 minutes ago, aristocrat said: can you guess what knox's deal will look like in a few years? 25 mil per? Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I'm looking forward to what Knox can do this season, and I think he is very capable of becoming a top notch TE in the league, but he needs to show that to us first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Agreed. Not that Kittle hasn't earned it, but WOW! Is this going to be the norm for contracts on TE's going forward? It should be. There are 25 WRs making at least $10,000,000. Kelce is around the 30th-35th highest paid pass catcher. That’s ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Billl said: It should be. There are 25 WRs making at least $10,000,000. Kelce is around the 30th-35th highest paid pass catcher. That’s ridiculous. Fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Agreed. Puts him 12th for WRs but blows up TE market. Not sure I can find 11 receivers worth more than him as a whole player. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 He is the main cog in that niners offense. He probably deserves more. He also is likely more valuable than those wide receivers that are getting paid more than him. Good deal for both sides regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Putin said: I’d rather have Kettle then a $20 million a year Amari Cooper I fully agree but Cooper played out the five years on his deal and wasn't franchise tagged (because of Dak) so he was able to fully test the free agency market. Whereas Kittle had one more year left on his rookie deal so his leverage was a bit more limited. So the comparison apples to apples to Cooper is a bit flawed because Cooper's deal was done with the maximum leverage possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I don't have time to do the research now but for me to think its a good deal, I'd want to know what percentage of the cap his salary will be. For example, when Tony Gonzales was at his peak..what percentage of the cap was his contract...or Antonio Gates in the prime of his career...vs what Kittle is going to be getting now. If he is getting a similar percentage of the cap to those guys..then its worth it..if his cap hit is a higher percentage of the total cap...maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: I don't have time to do the research now but for me to think its a good deal, I'd want to know what percentage of the cap his salary will be. For example, when Tony Gonzales was at his peak..what percentage of the cap was his contract...or Antonio Gates in the prime of his career...vs what Kittle is going to be getting now. If he is getting a similar percentage of the cap to those guys..then its worth it..if his cap hit is a higher percentage of the total cap...maybe not. You can't look at it that way. You have to look at what percentage of the offense he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan89 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 50 minutes ago, Doc said: You can't look at it that way. You have to look at what percentage of the offense he is. Percentage of the offense can be misleading. IF Kittle gets triple and double teamed all game and only gets 3 catches for 30 yards on 5 targets but the offense opens up for the rest of the receivers because of the attention he gets then is that any less effective than if he get a monster amount of catches and yards? It's all about context and Kittle in any context is such a huge weapon for an offense. He can block, line up in the backfield and be both a blocker and a receiving threat and he can be a pass catching threat lining up everywhere. That dynamic weapon is easily worth 15 million a season and had he put in another good year and hit the open market he easily could have gotten 17+ million. But he took the security and the big guarantee so you have to compromise a bit on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Percentage of the offense can be misleading. IF Kittle gets triple and double teamed all game and only gets 3 catches for 30 yards on 5 targets but the offense opens up for the rest of the receivers because of the attention he gets then is that any less effective than if he get a monster amount of catches and yards? It's all about context and Kittle in any context is such a huge weapon for an offense. He can block, line up in the backfield and be both a blocker and a receiving threat and he can be a pass catching threat lining up everywhere. That dynamic weapon is easily worth 15 million a season and had he put in another good year and hit the open market he easily could have gotten 17+ million. But he took the security and the big guarantee so you have to compromise a bit on the money. By "percentage" I didn't just mean stats-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: You can't look at it that way. You have to look at what percentage of the offense he is. If I think Tony Gonzales at his peak was just as important to his team as Kittle is, then it certainly is appropriate to look at it that way. The Cap is the Cap...the more you give to one area (as a percentage) the more other areas are suffering. If Kittle is taking a higher percentage of cap space than Gonzales did...he better mean more to his team than Gonzales did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 And Kelce just got a 4 year $57mm deal that will tie him to the Chiefs for 6 more seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Jesus please let Knox work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 33 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Jesus please let Knox work out Needs to learn to catch the ball more times...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 Iowa cranks out the TEs man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Putin said: I’d rather have Kettle then a $20 million a year Amari Cooper Well said! Knox is best TE prospect they have had in twenty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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