That's No Moon Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, arcane said: Right? What cop would put his livelihood and life as he knows it on the line for that? Turns out more than you'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: 716 - seriously, maybe you're all you say you are. Just hear this: If you think racism in this country is about a tiny, tiny, tiny minority, you don't understand what racism is about. Hear that, and let that sink in. Maybe you are 100% not part of the problem, but until this country recognizes racism is about most of the white people living here, we're going nowhere. The problem is everywhere. I totally agree that when people don't stand up for injustice it makes things worse White people need to stand up for black brown and Asian people, but black brown Asian people also need to show solidarity A House divided cannot stand I have a history degree with a specialization in early American history. So I have lots of conversations about America with people... I had a conversation with a man before, who actually believed that over 50% of white Americans owned slaves That can be a dangerous thinking, because if you believe that, then it's easy to believe that most whites are racist and hate most other ethnicities Needless to say he was surprised, to find out that only about 10% of white people in America own slaves. and that a hundred thousand Southerners fought for the union to free the slaves.. and that hundreds of thousands of Union troops died to free the slaves We have a lot of problems in our country, but there was even a lot of good men 150 years ago that died for those black people's freedoms and im glad they did 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I didn't ask you if you call 9-1-1, doc. Nice try. Just answer the very simple question. Can cops make a stop based on a 9-1-1 call? You're right, disagreers are clearly wrong. Police are allowed to make a brief investigative stop based on a reasonable 911 call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: You're right, disagreers are clearly wrong. Police are allowed to make a brief investigative stop based on a reasonable 911 call. I mean this is the basis of 9-1-1(reporting crimes or dangerous situations), other than for medical emergencies. Who would not understand this as obvious? Edited July 22, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Let us hope that NEXT time something like this happens (and sadly there WILL be a next time), we can avoid rushing to judgement without all the facts. I mean, next time the guy may in fact be guilty, but either way.........let’s wait for the facts to come out the the process to run. We are all about “the process”, remember? Not a chance ppl love to rush to judgement.....that is there thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I didn't ask you if you call 9-1-1, doc. Nice try. Just answer the very simple question. Can cops make a stop based on a 9-1-1 call? Just on a call of speeding and swerving? No. They should respond to the call and see if they can observe it since if they're drunk, even if they see a cop, they still can't help themselves. 3 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Well, if you feel there is a person driving so erratically, they could cause a serious accident or injury why would you NOT call it in? If I saw it happen it would likely be once since if they're speeding, they'd have passed me. Again I see it all the time. 1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said: It worked out for Oliver. That does not always happen. Let's hope that he learns from this, and hires a Limo, when he wants to party. Learns to hire a Limo...when he's not drunk? Or under the influence of anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, Doc said: Just on a call of speeding and swerving? No. They should respond to the call and see if they can observe it since if they're drunk, even if they see a cop, they still can't help themselves. If I saw it happen it would likely be once since if they're speeding, they'd have passed me. Again I see it all the time. Learns to hire a Limo...when he's not drunk? Or under the influence of anything? Wrong again. It absolutely is allowed. I even cited the USSC decision to help you not make that unforced error. Instead, you tripled down on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: Hire a limo, where you are 'going out', for the evening. Simple enough, 'eh? He was driving dune buggies all day. And had a trailer with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I totally agree that when people don't stand up for injustice it makes things worse White people need to stand up for black brown and Asian people, but black brown Asian people also need to show solidarity A House divided cannot stand I have a history degree with a specialization in early American history. So I have lots of conversations about America with people... I had a conversation with a man before, who actually believed that over 50% of white Americans owned slaves That can be a dangerous thinking, because if you believe that, then it's easy to believe that most whites are racist and hate most other ethnicities Needless to say he was surprised, to find out that only about 10% of white people in America own slaves. and that a hundred thousand Southerners fought for the union to free the slaves.. and that hundreds of thousands of Union troops died to free the slaves We have a lot of problems in our country, but there was even a lot of good men 150 years ago that died for those black people's freedoms and im glad they did You sound like a nice guy. You're living in a false reality. I hope someday you will see the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, Doc said: "Wrong again"? LOL! Seeing you twist yourself in a pretzel never gets old. Ah, a little Doc vs WEO on a Wednesday. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Perhaps the police officer did not observe this behavior. I do not believe they can charge someone with a traffic violation based on hearsay (a phoned report) but perhaps I am incorrect here? I personally would not want to be able to be charged with something because Citizen Cathy called the police and reported that I was driving 80 mpg in a 45 mpg zone and driving erratically, unless there were some corroborating evidence of this. And you can't tell how fast a car is going without looking at the speedometer. So there's no way to know if he was going that fast unless the cops clocked him at that speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: You sound like a nice guy. You're living in a false reality. I hope someday you will see the truth. If the world is as effed up as you're making it sound Wouldn't it be better to live in perpetual bliss so I can continue to be the kind of guy I am. Instead of possibly becoming angry at the world I can and do make a difference in my community because I'm positive Edited July 22, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Wrong again. It absolutely is allowed. I even cited the USSC decision to help you not make that unforced error. Instead, you tripled down on it. Great. Sure worked well here, eh? And nothing beats the quadrupling you did in the original thread. It was reminiscent of your Shady takes. Like I said, comedy gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, GaryPinC said: Um, considering many states have a legal breathalyzer limit of 0.08, "zero point zero" doesn't really mean anything in this instance. I mean, his attorney made a point of saying EO’s blood work came back greater than 0.000. Attorneys are dumb, I would guess via bloodwork it revealed something like 0.0004. Which mean he had a beer like 9 hours earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I totally agree that when people don't stand up for injustice it makes things worse White people need to stand up for black brown and Asian people, but black brown Asian people also need to show solidarity A House divided cannot stand I have a history degree with a specialization in early American history. So I have lots of conversations about America with people... I had a conversation with a man before, who actually believed that over 50% of white Americans owned slaves That can be a dangerous thinking, because if you believe that, then it's easy to believe that most whites are racist and hate most other ethnicities Needless to say he was surprised, to find out that only about 10% of white people in America own slaves. and that a hundred thousand Southerners fought for the union to free the slaves.. and that hundreds of thousands of Union troops died to free the slaves We have a lot of problems in our country, but there was even a lot of good men 150 years ago that died for those black people's freedoms and im glad they did Can you clarify this because it sounds like you’re saying racism is hereditary by suggesting that descendants of white slave owners are racist by relation to their ancestors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, Doc said: Great. Sure worked well here, eh? And nothing beats the quadrupling you did in the original thread. It was reminiscent of your Shady takes. Like I said, comedy gold. quadrupling on...what? 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Great. Sure worked well here, eh? And nothing beats the quadrupling you did in the original thread. It was reminiscent of your Shady takes. Like I said, comedy gold. Did I say "he's guilty, lock him up?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, K-9 said: It’s not just about the slavery issue. As a nation, we have to reconcile government sanctioned genocide, Jim Crow and the remnants of its systemic racism, voter suppression, etc. Slavery is just one issue. How and who did Ed Oliver pay in the DA’s office to have those tests come back negative. Are you under the delusion that I’m speaking for you? Your horse crap bucket is deep. You need to get over your defensiveness. And to clue you in, it isn’t just white people that have to reconcile our nations’s past. It’s all of us. As a nation. That is, if we are REALLY serious about seeing the promise of America lived up to. You said, “in terms of our country’s legacy, it’s a whites only thing.” Maybe if you amended that statement with the above, we wouldn’t disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: If the world is as effed up as you're making it sound Wouldn't it be better to live in perpetual bliss so I can continue to be the kind of guy I am. Instead of possibly becoming angry at the world I can and do make a difference in my community because I'm positive That is absolutely true, and I think it's one of the most positive and simplest solutions to to racism. Just do the right thing. The limitation of that approach is that if you can't see racism all around you, and you don't, there are a lot of right things to do that you're missing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ah, a little Doc vs WEO on a Wednesday. More like: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: Can you clarify this because it sounds like you’re saying racism is hereditary by suggesting that descendants of white slave owners are racist by relation to their ancestors. I don't think it's hereditary I think it's a learned behavior from all ethnicities That story was specifically about one conversation I had with an individual, who believed that over half of white Americans owned slaves back in the day.. and that was his rationale for white people being racist. If over 50% were racist back then , must be the same today Because where did they all go? That was basically his point And I had to explain that there were way more white people that fought and died to free the slaves, then there were people who were owning slaves if you grow up thinking that all or the majority of white people were descendants of slave owners, whether you're white Asian black brown... it's certainly would put them in a very negative light in your mind I know white people who hate their ancestors for owning slaves and actually hate themselves for being white.. and I say you can hate your ancestors, but don't hate yourself because you're different and you can do good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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