If Trump loses and refuses to leave

[Scraps]

3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Which they see as neither fair..nor free.  

 

So your excusing violence on their part because of a perceived unfairness.  Nice.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

16 minutes ago, Scraps said:

 

So your excusing violence on their part because of a perceived unfairness.  Nice.

I’m going to assume you got into you parents liquor cabinet and disregard this foolishness.  In the alternative, please point out where I excused any violence whatsoever from the posters referenced, or in fact any violence at all perpetrated by anyone there.  Be specific—I want to be sure I correct the record. 

[Scraps]

4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I’m going to assume you got into you parents liquor cabinet and disregard this foolishness.  In the alternative, please point out where I excused any violence whatsoever from the posters referenced, or in fact any violence at all perpetrated by anyone there.  Be specific—I want to be sure I correct the record. 

 

I interpreted what you have said and recreated it as I understood it.  

Edited December 11, 2020 by Scraps

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Scraps said:

 

I interpreted what you have said and recreated it as I understood it.  

[Warcodered]

 

[Doc Brown]

9 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It's why suddenly, as if by magic, UNITY is buzzword because Biden was elected.  The only question is who is on the outside looking in.  

Sorry friend, you voted for Biden. The rest is window dressing. 

 

 You used a ton of words to rationalize whatever it is you feel, but jobs put money in people's pockets, growth is good, reasonable taxation is good, excessive taxation is bad. 

 

Some of you who voted for Biden have become so accustomed to thinking the scraps they leave for you after stepping on your paycheck is awesome.  You morons (politically-speaking) lined up and voted (sometimes multiple times!) because Joe pitches that you're the victim, the rich man is taking advantage of you, and you need him to save you and it'll only cost you your pride and his hands on some poor girl's ass.  

The country needs it.  Biden won because people know he won't change much economically as he's seen as a moderate but at least will put on the facade that he's a president for all Americans.  Trump for the most part always played to his base and it cost him reelection.  This would be a very good argument against Bernie Sanders though.

[Niagara Bill]

McConnell rejects aid package....just another step in the trump/ Republican revolution/coup. By early Jan trump will pressure him into a major plan for his people, deliver the vaccine and be able to March through Washington as the savior. Jan 20 and Biden is a date that may never occur. 

At this point only 4 Republican election officials stand between him and a legal status of 270 votes and if they fail him all the other scenarios are in place

Hope I am wrong but momentum is growing and all the signs are there.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 hours ago, Scraps said:

 

I interpreted what you have said and recreated it as I understood it.  

Cool.  My offer still stands—you said that I was “excusing acts of violence on their part”.  What acts of violence are you speaking of?  Who did what?  What specifically did I post that brought you to the conclusion that I excused the specific acts of violence you’re about to reveal to me?

 

Let’s get through this together. I can’t spell unity without u. 

 

 

[shoshin]

17 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

From me perspective, it's pretty simple:

 

-What reaction would be appropriate to a Kavanaugh-style public character assassination?   Let's assume Biden understands the difference between the Supreme Court and a Food Court when the time comes to appoint a justice?  In my opinion, there are two choices for the opposition party:

• Submit, and focus on character and achievements; or
• Follow precedent and launch an all-out assault to destroy the candidate;

History shows us that option 2 is the best course of action for the opposition.  Imo, when you (who also felt the man was mistreated) and Shoshy vote for Harris/Biden, you vote for that approach to SC management.  

 

-With respect to impeachment, assuming the Rs were able to gain the majority, Biden's been in office for 40+ years.  There are two choices:

• Let him reign for as long as his Depends stay dry, babbling like a drunken monkey and talking to his good friend Margaret Thatcher across the pond;
• Dig, find the dirt or something that the average Biden hater might see as dirt, and impeach him;

Recent History shows option 2 is a crackerjack way to go.  

 

-With respect to a Russia-style investigation:

• As if on cue, as the Trump legal team moves along and Biden gets closer to Craft Day on the National Mall on Jan 20, we begin to see reports on his son's business activities in China.  More will follow, Joe will be tied to the shady deals, and decisions will have to be made.   The Rs have two options:
  • Let it go, move on, lick their wounds;
  • Start the process to uncover what needs to be uncovered, selectively leak details, generate public support and try to destroy Biden and his family;

 

That is a real string of false choices, as I suspect you know. And it makes for binary thinking that creates division. 

 

17 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Personally, I hope Biden fails.  I hope he fails miserably

 

That's rooting against America. When Trump gave his first speech as POTUS, I was cheered by it. It was his most unifying message. I linked it to my liberal friends who all hated me because I didn't vote for Clinton but I told them: "Listen to this guy. He's got the right message." That lasted about 30 seconds. I rooted for him. I still root for him here in the last few weeks. I want no American president to fail, even though some do in some ways. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

That is a real string of false choices, as I suspect you know. And it makes for binary thinking that creates division. 

It's the reality of the world we live in.  It's not the way I want it to be, it's not the way I saw it during the Obama years, but it's the way it is today.  

 

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

 

That's rooting against America. When Trump gave his first speech as POTUS, I was cheered by it. It was his most unifying message. I linked it to my liberal friends who all hated me because I didn't vote for Clinton but I told them: "Listen to this guy. He's got the right message." That lasted about 30 seconds. I rooted for him. I still root for him here in the last few weeks. I want no American president to fail, even though some do in some ways. 

No, it's not.  It's identifying the type of systemic career politico bs that leads to where we are today, recognizing the destructive nature of it, and rejecting it.  Biden is not America, Biden is a 5 decade dimwit who has vowed to finally get something accomplished. He was a willing participant in the Russia scheme, and as such is a co-conspirator in an attempt to steal my particular vote.  There are 15 other reasons to root against him--border security, tax plan, fracking, energy independence, the 'let's get someone to pay your loan because you're the victim for attending UCLA and taking spring break to Cancun', and his very murky relationship with China to name a few.  

 

 

 

 

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It's the reality of the world we live in.  

 

It's a reality as you chose to present it and as you choose to believe it. Big difference.

 

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

No, it's not.  It's identifying the type of systemic career politico bs that leads to where we are today, recognizing the destructive nature of it, and rejecting it.  Biden is not America, Biden is a 5 decade dimwit who has vowed to finally get something accomplished. He was a willing participant in the Russia scheme, and as such is a co-conspirator in an attempt to steal my particular vote.  There are 15 other reasons to root against him--border security, tax plan, fracking, energy independence, the 'let's get someone to pay your loan because you're the victim for attending UCLA and taking spring break to Cancun', and his very murky relationship with China to name a few.  

 

You want Biden to be a miserable failure. The only way to judge a president a failure is if America is worse off than it was 4 years ago. 

[jrober38]

I still don't think Trump has any intention of leaving the White House peacefully. 

 

It goes against everything he and his brand stand for. 

[TBBills]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

I still don't think Trump has any intention of leaving the White House peacefully. 

 

It goes against everything he and his brand stand for. 

I hope he doesn't leave peacefully, it would add to his historic failure as president.

[HappyDays]

Yeah, Trump's challenge is officially over:

 

 

No coming back from the Supreme Court turning you away.

[jrober38]

59 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Yeah, Trump's challenge is officially over:

 

 

No coming back from the Supreme Court turning you away.

 

I still don't think he'll leave peacefully. 

 

I think he'll push it to the limit and see what happens.

After 100+ GOP congress members signed onto this laughable lawsuit, I think he'll push into uncharted territory and see how the system responds. 

[Bob in Mich]

It seems that the Trump plan now is to go full steam ahead on attacking the Biden family.  If by Inauguration Day, I believe the new plan goes, Joe Biden can be ‘proven’ to be a criminal, Trump will be obliged to delay the transition of power.  Never mind that anything at that point could be no more than accusation, that will be plenty enough for the MAGA crew to cling to.  Just guessing but seems to be plausible

[Backintheday544]

With the Texas GOP threatening to leave the Union, can we now consider the Republicans the party of snowflakes?

 

Man, they get their butt stomped in one election and all they do is cry.

 

I like the term GOProjection where they try to project everything they are on to the Democrats but man between snowflakes and how everyone in that party is just a beta to Trump it’s really apt.

[Kemp]

On 12/10/2020 at 2:32 PM, shoshin said:

I don’t see it as indicative of a party problem. He’s just a guy without enough honor to even honor a silly message board bet. A spineless show of “character.”
 

Jim offered the bet. I don’t think the other guy accepted. That one is just funny. 

 

Actually I offered the original bet to Chef Jim.

He's a coward just like the rest of the Trump fans here, much like their cult leader.

[Kemp]

14 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I still don't think he'll leave peacefully. 

 

I think he'll push it to the limit and see what happens.

After 100+ GOP congress members signed onto this laughable lawsuit, I think he'll push into uncharted territory and see how the system responds. 

 

In the end he'll leave because he doesn't want images of himself being led away in handcuffs, but only after he resigns and gets a pardon from President Pence.

There's a chance he tries to pardon himself. I hope he does because that might set off a chain of reactions that would be fun to watch.

I don't care that he's played a role in dismantling the Republican Party by exposing them as seditionists, but the damage to the country I do mind.

He would rather destroy America than admit he lost. He is without question the single worst human being to ever hold office in the United States.

The scariest part is that he has brought to light just how many people are some combination of evil and stupid.

[Kemp]

How he got 70 million votes.

https://uproxx.com/viral/trump-supporters-catch-covid-vibrational-frequencies/

 

[Scraps]

On 12/11/2020 at 8:07 AM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Cool.  My offer still stands—you said that I was “excusing acts of violence on their part”.  What acts of violence are you speaking of?  Who did what?  What specifically did I post that brought you to the conclusion that I excused the specific acts of violence you’re about to reveal to me?

 

You tell me.  Transy wrote "The violence these people are talking about right now are solely for the sake of overturning the very foundation of our country: free and fair elections." and you replied "Which they see as neither fair..nor free. "

 

What violence did you think was being talked about.  And do think the election was neither fair nor free?

[Niagara Bill]

The conflict with Iran begins...one of trumps pillars for a coup.

 

Attack and disgrace Biden as potential treasonist, coming in late Dec

Take bows for vaccine...coming soon

Start a conflict that Biden cannot be trusted to deal with. The reteric has begun with Iran

Postpone Jan 20 until investigations are complete. The congressional approval in early Jan will not happen

Control Supreme court...done

Control CIA and FBI...done

Control justice, ( can he trust Barr or must he go)...done or change coming

Stop electoral college in Congress until steps for takeover can begin in January...coming up

Keep support in Congress...

 

It is happening people.....Stay focussed, 

 

[SoTier]

4 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

The conflict with Iran begins...one of trumps pillars for a coup.

 

Attack and disgrace Biden as potential treasonist, coming in late Dec

Take bows for vaccine...coming soon

Start a conflict that Biden cannot be trusted to deal with. The reteric has begun with Iran

Postpone Jan 20 until investigations are complete. The congressional approval in early Jan will not happen

Control Supreme court...done

Control CIA and FBI...done

Control justice, ( can he trust Barr or must he go)...done or change coming

Stop electoral college in Congress until steps for takeover can begin in January...coming up

Keep support in Congress...

 

It is happening people.....Stay focussed, 

 

 

You are being overly melodramatic,  Bill.  Nobody in the federal law enforcement is going to break the law for Donald Trump, starting with AG Bill Barr.  Why do you think  The Wannabe Dictator in Chief is so po'd with him?   Barr refused to apprise Trump of the federal investigation into Hunter Biden, and he refused to manufacture evidence of massive voter fraud when there wasn't any.  The DOJ will not manufacture evidence and no federal judge will issue an arrest warrant without evidence. 

 

There is absolutely no mechanism to postpone the inauguration.  The US has held presidential elections and inaugurations during both the Civil War and World War II.   During the pandemic, the US had the highest voter turnout rate in more than a generation, and every single attempt by Trumplicans to steal the election through legal channels have been thwarted by local and state officials' refusals to break the law for Trump and Trump's own appointees to federal benches from district courts to the SCOTUS.

 

On January 20, 2021 at approximately 3 minutes after noon, Donald J Trump will cease to be POTUS.  If Trump sends his cultists out into the streets of Washington, so what?  The Capital Police have decades of experience in managing far larger protests than the Trumplicans will be able to muster on January 20.  If Trump refuses to physically vacate the WH, the Secret Service will escort him out and turn him over to the Capital Police as a trespasser. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Why do the proud boys dress like the Steelers?

[Niagara Bill]

7 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

You are being overly melodramatic,  Bill.  Nobody in the federal law enforcement is going to break the law for Donald Trump, starting with AG Bill Barr.  Why do you think  The Wannabe Dictator in Chief is so po'd with him?   Barr refused to apprise Trump of the federal investigation into Hunter Biden, and he refused to manufacture evidence of massive voter fraud when there wasn't any.  The DOJ will not manufacture evidence and no federal judge will issue an arrest warrant without evidence. 

 

There is absolutely no mechanism to postpone the inauguration.  The US has held presidential elections and inaugurations during both the Civil War and World War II.   During the pandemic, the US had the highest voter turnout rate in more than a generation, and every single attempt by Trumplicans to steal the election through legal channels have been thwarted by local and state officials' refusals to break the law for Trump and Trump's own appointees to federal benches from district courts to the SCOTUS.

 

On January 20, 2021 at approximately 3 minutes after noon, Donald J Trump will cease to be POTUS.  If Trump sends his cultists out into the streets of Washington, so what?  The Capital Police have decades of experience in managing far larger protests than the Trumplicans will be able to muster on January 20.  If Trump refuses to physically vacate the WH, the Secret Service will escort him out and turn him over to the Capital Police as a trespasser. 

Truly dramatic I am...sincerely concerned I am.

The republicans see Dems as the evil socialists, destroying the American dream. They have followed the biggest liar, divisive guy in history of USA.

If he preaches that Biden is unfit, Jan 20th will be in jeopardy. Jan 6th is day I believe Congress votes to accept election results. That is the biggest day in trumps life, between now and then this whole diversion of Texas etc will not be necessary. I hope my dramatic thought are wrong.....but

[oldmanfan]

We had a fair and free election and we have a three year old trying to now say our entire election process is wrong.  And let's recall, he was claiming this before votes were even cast to protect himself against having to admit his own failure.

 

This has potential devastating consequences for the future.  There is an article on Politico's web site, indicating there are Republicans that lost elections by dozens of percentage points that refuse to concede, and instead are talking about irregularities and machine problems and all this crap.  If our electoral system is destroyed, there goes the country.  And that cannot be allowed to stand.

 

We need to save the country at this point.  If he refuses to leave, then arrest him and charge him with sedition.  If he actively tries to foment rebellion (as in get people like The Proud Boys) to riot) then charge him with treason.  And if supporters riot, take them into custody and charge them.  If Congressmen or women support this, don't swear them in as they are in violation of the Constitution and as such would not be faithful to their oath.  

 

And I would say the same thing if it were a Democrat acting this way.  We have passed the point of being ridiculous now.  We are letting the three year old dictator wanna be to foment insurrection and it must be stopped. 

[Tiberius]

Thousands of maskless rallygoers who refuse to accept the results of the election turned downtown Washington into a falsehood-filled spectacle Saturday, two days before the electoral college will make the president’s loss official.

 

In smaller numbers than their gathering last month, they roamed from the Capitol to the Mall and back again, seeking inspiration from speakers who railed against the Supreme Court, Fox News and President-elect Joe Biden. The crowds cheered for recently pardoned former national security adviser Michael Flynn, marched with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and stood in awe of a flyover from what appeared to be Marine One.

Election results under attack: Here are the facts

But at night, the scene became violent. At least four people were stabbed near Harry’s Bar at 11th and F streets NW, a gathering point for the Proud Boys, a male-chauvinist organization with ties to white nationalism.

The victims were hospitalized and suffered possibly life-threatening injuries, D.C. fire spokesman Doug Buchanan said. It was not immediately clear with which groups the attackers or the injured might have been affiliated.

The violence escalated after an evening of faceoffs with counterprotesters that took place near Harry’s, Black Lives Matter Plaza, Franklin Square, and other spots around downtown.

At first, officers in riot gear successfully kept the two sides apart, even as the groups splintered and roamed. In helmets and bulletproof vests, Proud Boys marched through downtown in militarylike rows, shouting “move out” and “1776!” They became increasingly angry as they wove through streets and alleys, only to find police continuously blocking their course with lines of bikes.

But before long, the agitators determined to find troublewere successful — and posturing quickly turned into punching, kicking and wrestling.

Again and again, officers swarmed, pulling the instigators apart, firing chemical irritants and forming lines between the sides. At Harry’s Bar, an ambulance arrived, but the extent of injuries was unknown.

Each time a fight was de-escalated, another soon began in a different part of town.

D.C. Police Chief Peter Newsham made a brief appearance in the chaos, telling protesters: “We’re doing the best we can.”

In an interview, Newsham said police units were deployed across downtown to keep the groups apart. He said smaller segments of people who splintered from larger gatherings seemed “intent on conflict.”

D.C. police said that as of 9 p.m., 23 people were arrested Saturday, including 10 who were charged with misdemeanor assaults, six with assaulting police officers and four with rioting. Police said one person had an illegal Taser.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trump-dc-rally-maga/2020/12/11/8b5af818-3bdb-11eb-bc68-96af0daae728_story.html

[Backintheday544]

Biden needs just 305 votes tomorrow to beat Trumps 2016 margin!!

[shoshin]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

We had a fair and free election and we have a three year old trying to now say our entire election process is wrong.  And let's recall, he was claiming this before votes were even cast to protect himself against having to admit his own failure.

 

This has potential devastating consequences for the future.  There is an article on Politico's web site, indicating there are Republicans that lost elections by dozens of percentage points that refuse to concede, and instead are talking about irregularities and machine problems and all this crap.  If our electoral system is destroyed, there goes the country.  And that cannot be allowed to stand.

 

We need to save the country at this point.  If he refuses to leave, then arrest him and charge him with sedition.  If he actively tries to foment rebellion (as in get people like The Proud Boys) to riot) then charge him with treason.  And if supporters riot, take them into custody and charge them.  If Congressmen or women support this, don't swear them in as they are in violation of the Constitution and as such would not be faithful to their oath.  

 

And I would say the same thing if it were a Democrat acting this way.  We have passed the point of being ridiculous now.  We are letting the three year old dictator wanna be to foment insurrection and it must be stopped. 

We have a lot people conspicuous in their silence too. Leaders in the R party who are taking the limp  stance offered by Lehnard that they did not take in 2016, and despite 57 (?) court losses, the sham press conferences, and the appeal to Twitter evidence.
 

It’s sad. 

 

If our democracy dies at the hands of the Trumpists, what a hero to follow into the depths. 

[Tiberius]

 

 

[TBBills]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

Not really worried about it. Trump won't have any presidential power anymore and will be a criminal citizen again.

[jrober38]

On 12/12/2020 at 10:19 AM, Kemp said:

 

In the end he'll leave because he doesn't want images of himself being led away in handcuffs, but only after he resigns and gets a pardon from President Pence.

There's a chance he tries to pardon himself. I hope he does because that might set off a chain of reactions that would be fun to watch.

I don't care that he's played a role in dismantling the Republican Party by exposing them as seditionists, but the damage to the country I do mind.

He would rather destroy America than admit he lost. He is without question the single worst human being to ever hold office in the United States.

The scariest part is that he has brought to light just how many people are some combination of evil and stupid.

 

I think Trump is gripping to power because he knows there are indictments waiting for him and his children at the Southern District of NY for tax, wire and mail fraud. 

 

He's a wounded animal, and I wouldn't rule out him trying to incite actual violence if he thinks it will help him maintain power and avoid jail. 

[Kemp]

https://youtu.be/h_jrebvmPlk

 

Trump talks about the election.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Kemp

[Niagara Bill]

Dec 28 the rumors about Biden and CCP will begin. By early Jan many open questions will be talked about.

The Iran situation will explode. 

Jan 6th will become a battle ground, Pence is prepared...the coup is planned.

 

Hope I am wrong...but stars are aligning.

 

Either that or someone has to throw a bucket of water on him so he will melt like the wicked witch.

[shoshin]

33 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Dec 28 the rumors about Biden and CCP will begin. By early Jan many open questions will be talked about.

The Iran situation will explode. 

Jan 6th will become a battle ground, Pence is prepared...the coup is planned.

 

Hope I am wrong...but stars are aligning.

 

Either that or someone has to throw a bucket of water on him so he will melt like the wicked witch.

You sound like a Q ding ding making predictions based on nothing that don’t come to pass but just make another one for two weeks from now. Stop. 

[Warcodered]

7 hours ago, Kemp said:

https://youtu.be/h_jrebvmPlk

 

Trump talks about the election.

I don't think we have a channel 9 in Wyoming definitely not Cheyenne.

[Q-baby!]

Good morning. It’s Tuesday December 15, 2020 and Donald Trump is still a loser!!!! 😂😂😂

[Niagara Bill]

10 hours ago, shoshin said:

You sound like a Q ding ding making predictions based on nothing that don’t come to pass but just make another one for two weeks from now. Stop. 

Just sayin. This guy has a plan, do not be comfortable, he wants to be King, he has lied his way into the hearts of 70,000,000 citizens, he hates democracy and uses the press and social media better than anyone. 

Sorry if you don't want to hear it, but much of the world outside of US sees it that way.

[ExiledInIllinois]

9 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Just sayin. This guy has a plan, do not be comfortable, he wants to be King, he has lied his way into the hearts of 70,000,000 citizens, he hates democracy and uses the press and social media better than anyone. 

Sorry if you don't want to hear it, but much of the world outside of US sees it that way.

And he despises every single one of those 70 million voters.

 

He's a sociopath:

Lacks remorse.

Is charming to many.

Intelligent

Liar

Manipulative 

Narcissistic 

No long relationships: Fires people

Spontaneous 

Lacks love/fake love

Highly Competitive 

 

What of those 10 sociopath traits doesn't Trump exhibit?  Don't be fooled, he's very intelligent.

 

[shoshin]

56 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Just sayin. This guy has a plan, do not be comfortable, he wants to be King, he has lied his way into the hearts of 70,000,000 citizens, he hates democracy and uses the press and social media better than anyone. 

Sorry if you don't want to hear it, but much of the world outside of US sees it that way.

 

You sound just like the Q-army. You get that right? 

 

On January 21, Biden will be president. Trump's supporters are the ones I worry about since many of them do not accept democracy any more.