If Trump loses and refuses to leave

[bilzfancy]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I really think debates don't make any difference at all. They are good political theatre, but they have little affect on voting. IMO 

I'm sure you're too young to remember 1960, but Nixon was gonna be a shoe-in to win, then the debates happened, and we all know the outcome

[Tiberius]

Just now, bilzfancy said:

I'm sure you're too young to remember 1960, but Nixon was gonna be a shoe-in to win, then the debates happened, and we all know the outcome

Back then a debate could dominate coverage, in this 24-7 wall to wall news and the latest distraction around the corner, short attention spans prevail. 

 

Not saying Im 100% sure but I just don't think they matter that much anymore. 

[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, Wacka said:

 I see it all day, every day. Joe Biden is going senile. Telling Cornpop stories, nixing up his sister and wife, etc. Having his els racist statements come out (...you ain't black...).

 

It cracks me up when leftists go batschittcrazy over something Trump said, just before they prepare to vote for the dude who told the Cornpop story. 

 

That story is worse than Hillary's lie about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia.

 

C'mon, man! Cornpop!

[BillStime]

 

[bilzfancy]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Back then a debate could dominate coverage, in this 24-7 wall to wall news and the latest distraction around the corner, short attention spans prevail. 

 

Not saying Im 100% sure but I just don't think they matter that much anymore. 

You could be right, but with these 2 candidates, there may be millions of undecided that the debates may sway, we'll see

[IDBillzFan]

6 hours ago, Kemp said:

I had no idea you were a primary caregiver. That's almost as good as being a psychiatrist or a short-order cook.

 

What a condescending piece of schitt you are with this comment.

 

I pray you never have to be someone's primary caregiver because it's pretty clear you have so little understanding and regard for what is involved. If you find yourself in a position where you're expected to be a primary caregiver,  tell them to find an adult who can actually handle the job so the person can live out their last days with some dignity.

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I really think debates don't make any difference at all. They are good political theatre, but they have little affect on voting. IMO 

 

They will here.  When they see Joe stumbling, those who aren't locked-into voting for him simply because he's not Trump will see the real deal.

[Deranged Rhino]

2 hours ago, KRC said:

 

It is amazing how the TDS-riddled turn into vile, hateful scum.

 

When you live with that kind of darkness and hatred in you 24/7 -- it will consume you. 

[Tiberius]

38 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They will here.  When they see Joe stumbling, those who aren't locked-into voting for him simply because he's not Trump will see the real deal.

It will be like a sporting event with each side cheering their side on, but few voters will change their mind. 

[Doc]

Just now, Tiberius said:

It will be like a sporting event with each side cheering their side on, but few voters will change their mind. 

 

If you think there isn't a good portion of voters who are still undecided...

[3rdnlng]

@KempMy immediate thought after reading your disgusting post was to tell you that I had lost all respect for you. It then occurred to me that you had already met that threshold quite some time ago. You have my utmost disdain. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

4 hours ago, Wacka said:

Thank you  leh-nerd skin-erd for your kind comments.

My mom is strong. Just after Christmas 2018, I had a bug and she caught it and developed pneumonia. She spent three days in the hospital and three weeks at a nursing home. She's been back home ever since.  She can stand up with a walker  but needed two people to do it and  help her  to get on the toilet. We pay a friend of my brother to   come for one hour a day to  get her cleaned up and dressed.  The friend comes from 8-2 om Tues and Fri to hive ne some time away. Bust most of that time is  food shopping as it will be today.In the evenings a combo of me, my brother and my sister  take her in the bathroom where she can at least  take off her blouse and put on her nightgown.  As recently as two years ago, she could be left alone for a while but no longer.

She helped me out when I had a stroke 6 years ago by arranged to get me and my stuff home from CA) and this is the least I can do for her.

My sister and B-I-L  meanwhile have had to deal with their middle kid dying ,my B-I-L's  mother and brother (his only family) both having strokes and being in nursing homes and having to sell her house.

Wow, a lady I know wrote a book about the stress on the caregiver in dealing with people with Alzheimers/Dementia.  In our case, my father-in-law is currently principle caregiver, and he's a very accomplished guy used to controlling just about everything.  This has been extraordinarily hard on him.  

 

God bless you man!

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Stay strong bro 

This post--this one right here shows the magic of human interaction. 

 

When a crazed commie socialist big government giveaway guy and a crazed capitalist go f yerself deregulate everything guy meet at an intersection of compassion and good will, it's a beautiful thing.  

 

 

[snafu]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

I really think debates don't make any difference at all. They are good political theatre, but they have little affect on voting. IMO 

 

They have an effect.

Look at Bloomberg in the primaries -- that was the highest-rated debate and he puked on himself, never to be heard from again.

Romney beat the crap out of Obama in their first debate, then he backed off and lost a lot of support by being soft.

I have a feeling this time around that people honestly want to see whether Biden has slipped so much from his last debate in March.  That's the murmurings -- he's got to prove doubters wrong, IMO.  It really isn't just political theater.

 

 

[3rdnlng]

11 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

They have an effect.

Look at Bloomberg in the primaries -- that was the highest-rated debate and he puked on himself, never to be heard from again.

Romney beat the crap out of Obama in their first debate, then he backed off and lost a lot of support by being soft.

I have a feeling this time around that people honestly want to see whether Biden has slipped so much from his last debate in March.  That's the murmurings -- he's got to prove doubters wrong, IMO.  It really isn't just political theater.

 

 

Trump will goad Biden into numerous blunders and possibly losing his temper. 

[Wacka]

Tibs, I am still keeping you on ignore, but my view of you has  increased a lot. Kemp is also going on ignore. He is the lowest slime on this board.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Wacka said:

Tibs, I am still keeping you on ignore, but my view of you has  increased a lot. Kemp is also going on ignore. He is the lowest slime on this board.

 

He's at the bottom for sure. His comments to you were over the line and if there was equal moderation, he'd be long gone. 

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

They have an effect.

Look at Bloomberg in the primaries -- that was the highest-rated debate and he puked on himself, never to be heard from again.

Romney beat the crap out of Obama in their first debate, then he backed off and lost a lot of support by being soft.

I have a feeling this time around that people honestly want to see whether Biden has slipped so much from his last debate in March.  That's the murmurings -- he's got to prove doubters wrong, IMO.  It really isn't just political theater.

 

 

But nobody knew Bloomberg, like they already know Trump and Biden. You are right that it killed Bloomberg, but that’s a different situation. Hillary annihilated Trump, And still lost election, and yes, Romney ate Obama’s lunch, as did John Kerry to Bush, but they all lost 

2 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Tibs, I am still keeping you on ignore, but my view of you has  increased a lot. Kemp is also going on ignore. He is the lowest slime on this board.

I’ll kick Kemp out of that spot before this election—if we have one—is over! 

[snafu]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But nobody knew Bloomberg, like they already know Trump and Biden. You are right that it killed Bloomberg, but that’s a different situation. Hillary annihilated Trump, And still lost election, and yes, Romney ate Obama’s lunch, as did John Kerry to Bush, but they all lost 

 

Here's the difference this year:  all those people you mentioned could actually hold a conversation for 90 straight minutes, whether they won or lost the debate or the election.  With Biden, nobody is sure.  Seems to be an extremely important (low) hurdle to cross over. 

 

Trump has been labeled an imbecile for four years.  Imagine if Biden can't come across as smarter than the imbecile.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2020 by snafu

[Deranged Rhino]

7 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Here's the difference this year:  all those people you mentioned could actually hold a conversation for 90 straight minutes, whether they won or lost the debate or the election.  With Biden, nobody is sure.  Seems to be an extremely important (low) hurdle to cross over. 

 

Trump has been labeled an imbecile for four years.  Imagine if Biden can't come across as smarter than the imbecile.

 

There is of course the lowered expectation risk for Trump now too. He's lowered the expectations for Joe so much that if he doesn't set the podium on fire during the debate then the media will say Joe killed it. 

 

The debate(s) will be really important for both sides. 

[IDBillzFan]

17 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Tibs, I am still keeping you on ignore, but my view of you has  increased a lot. Kemp is also going on ignore. He is the lowest slime on this board.

 

@Kemp's comment about caregivers was one of the more embarrassing comments I've seen posted here, and I still see people quoting BillStime's stupidity, so that's saying something.

 

 

[snafu]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

There is of course the lowered expectation risk for Trump now too. He's lowered the expectations for Joe so much that if he doesn't set the podium on fire during the debate then the media will say Joe killed it. 

 

The debate(s) will be really important for both sides. 

 

The way around that is to show clips of Joe last July in the Dem debates, then in March in his last one vs. Bernie, then compare those to the most recent.  Biden could be fine for all we know, but if he bumbles around vs. Trump, then no supporter is going to be able to ignore the deterioration.

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

19 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But nobody knew Bloomberg, like they already know Trump and Biden. You are right that it killed Bloomberg, but that’s a different situation. Hillary annihilated Trump, And still lost election, and yes, Romney ate Obama’s lunch, as did John Kerry to Bush, but they all lost 

Trump won a lot of voters in those debates vs Hillary, a lot of people simply won't admit their thoughts about him because you get labeled a racist. If Trump did not win the debates there is no way he wins election. But as for this seasons debates Trump wants to make sure each debate is 3 hours long to show Biden slipping mentally. In my opinion Trump needs to force Biden to destroy himself so that normal people see how bad he is mentally 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Trump won a lot of voters in those debates vs Hillary, a lot of people simply won't admit their thoughts about him because you get labeled a racist. If Trump did not win the debates there is no way he wins election. But as for this seasons debates Trump wants to make sure each debate is 3 hours long to show Biden slipping mentally. In my opinion Trump needs to force Biden to destroy himself so that normal people see how bad he is mentally 

Really, how many voters did Trump win in that blathering, insane, meltdown he had? 

 

How did you determine how many voters he gained while foaming at the mouth and having a near break down? 

 

Where did you get your info info on that? 

29 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Here's the difference this year:  all those people you mentioned could actually hold a conversation for 90 straight minutes, whether they won or lost the debate or the election.  With Biden, nobody is sure.  Seems to be an extremely important (low) hurdle to cross over. 

 

Trump has been labeled an imbecile for four years.  Imagine if Biden can't come across as smarter than the imbecile.

 

 

 

 

Trump can’t debate. He had a mental breakdown trying to argue with Hillary. Biden might...ok, probably will say something stupid, but Trump might very well just go berserk again. 

[Orlando Tim]

17 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Really, how many voters did Trump win in that blathering, insane, meltdown he had? 

 

How did you determine how many voters he gained while foaming at the mouth and having a near break down? 

He gained enough to win the election, especially among those on the fence in Michigan and Wisconsin. But the most important number will be the number of inner city voters vs suburban voters, that was the true number that cost Hillary the election. Obama won the cities by huge margins where she did not. 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

He gained enough to win the election, especially among those on the fence in Michigan and Wisconsin. But the most important number will be the number of inner city voters vs suburban voters, that was the true number that cost Hillary the election. Obama won the cities by huge margins where she did not. 

How do you know voters in Michigan and Wisconsin decided because of the debate to vote for Trump? What evidence I you basing that upon? 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

How do you know voters in Michigan and Wisconsin decided because of the debate to vote for Trump? What evidence I you basing that upon? 

 

 

What evidence are you basing that Hillary won the debates? The same polls that claimed she was gonna win Wisconsin and Michigan in a cake walk. You are arguing for me to define how I make to my conclusion while you are just using polls which we know were crap 

[Wacka]

why am I not 50 points ahead...

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

But nobody knew Bloomberg, like they already know Trump and Biden. You are right that it killed Bloomberg, but that’s a different situation. Hillary annihilated Trump, And still lost election, and yes, Romney ate Obama’s lunch, as did John Kerry to Bush, but they all lost 

I’ll kick Kemp out of that spot before this election—if we have one—is over! 

Romney revealed himself to be weak.  He failed to advance his cause, he did not press the advantage and he was like a deer in the headlights when confronted or challenged.  I'd argue Trump benefited from having some testosterone in his system, and by simply responding "Yeah?  F you too." when challenged.  It was refreshing.  Hell Romney allowed himself to be cuckholded over comments that half the voting public would never vote for him, a truthful statement is there ever was one. 

 

Bloomberg suffered because outside NY city, no one wants a junior dictator in charge.  Between the NY city gig, his Napoleanic stature, his dour demeanor and the like, he comes across as a virginal School Marm at Catholic School.  That never plays well--and before you mention Trump and NYC--Trump is a larger than life character, has broad appeal in that people love him, or hate him, but he shows up.  

 

 

[HillaryClinton]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

What evidence are you basing that Hillary won the debates? The same polls that claimed she was gonna win Wisconsin and Michigan in a cake walk. You are arguing for me to define how I make to my conclusion while you are just using polls which we know were crap 

You should go out and try to convince a rock to roll away. You would actually accomplish more on that task than

communicating on any level with that poster.

[Orlando Tim]

3 minutes ago, HillaryClinton said:

You should go out and try to convince a rock to roll away. You would actually accomplish more on that task than

communicating on any level with that poster.

I actually enjoy Tibs despite his beliefs because usually he is honest, very wrong, but honest. There are several on here that are just liars and I will not debate them and just blocked them.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

What if...Kevin Clinesmith says he is pleading guilty but doesn't show up to do so??

[Tiberius]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

What evidence are you basing that Hillary won the debates? The same polls that claimed she was gonna win Wisconsin and Michigan in a cake walk. You are arguing for me to define how I make to my conclusion while you are just using polls which we know were crap 

You claimed it changed peoples minds, I’m just asking how you can possibly know that? You stated it as a fact, what proof do you have. 

 

And if you think Hillary lost the debates, well, that’s your opinion, and I respect that. But that’s different than claiming you know voters changed their vote or made up their minds because of the debate. So, any proof? 

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You claimed it changed peoples minds, I’m just asking how you can possibly know that? You stated it as a fact, what proof do you have. 

 

And if you think Hillary lost the debates, well, that’s your opinion, and I respect that. But that’s different than claiming you know voters changed their vote or made up their minds because of the debate. So, any proof? 

Did you ever change your mind? If so, you chose poorly.

 

[Orlando Tim]

18 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You claimed it changed peoples minds, I’m just asking how you can possibly know that? You stated it as a fact, what proof do you have. 

 

And if you think Hillary lost the debates, well, that’s your opinion, and I respect that. But that’s different than claiming you know voters changed their vote or made up their minds because of the debate. So, any proof? 

You want proof that it changed people's mind? How would you ever prove what changed a person mind on a vote? Obviously the debates change some minds, even if it is .1%, but I do know the debates is what solidified my mom's vote for him vs a third party. I already knew it was him because the other option was Hillary 

[Doc]

51 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You claimed it changed peoples minds, I’m just asking how you can possibly know that? You stated it as a fact, what proof do you have. 

 

And if you think Hillary lost the debates, well, that’s your opinion, and I respect that. But that’s different than claiming you know voters changed their vote or made up their minds because of the debate. So, any proof? 

 

And yet you're dead-solid certain that Russia's election interference changed people's minds?

[Tiberius]

35 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

You want proof that it changed people's mind? How would you ever prove what changed a person mind on a vote? Obviously the debates change some minds, even if it is .1%, but I do know the debates is what solidified my mom's vote for him vs a third party. I already knew it was him because the other option was Hillary 

Thank yo7 

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

And yet you're dead-solid certain that Russia's election interference changed people's minds?

The debates didn’t change their minds. 
 

The “basket of deplorables” comment didn’t change their minds. 
 

The coughing and near falls didn’t change their minds. 
 

THIS changed their minds...... 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2020 by Chef Jim

[Wacka]

 I really went off  on Kemp yesterday and actually softened  what I wrote so I wouldn't be put on "vacation".  

Yesterday , after waking  my mom from a nap at 7 PM  she starts crying and saying she has to get a lawyer so she can stop us kids from taking the house. I spent a good 20 minutes explaining that we pay the taxes when they are due  and the house is paid off over 35 years ago. Also that the house is in trust so they  can't take it if she goes into a nursing home.  Earlier When she was awake in the afternoon  she kept asking who owns the house.  I wish Kemp would  have to experience even a small fraction of this. 

Edited August 15, 2020 by Wacka

[KRC]

10 minutes ago, Wacka said:

 I really went off  on Kemp yesterday and actually softened  what I wrote so I wouldn't be put on "vacation".  

Yesterday , after waking  my mom from a nap at 7 PM  aha starts crying and saying she has to get a lawyer so she can stop us kids from taking the house. I spent a good 20 minutes explaining that we pay the taxes when they are due  and the house is paid off over 35 years ago. Also that the house is in trust so they  take it if she goes into a nursing home.  Earlier When she was awake in the afternoon  she kept asking who owns the house.  I wish Kemp would  have to experience even a small fraction of this. 

 

I feel for you. My FIL passed last month from dementia. My MIL will probably be put on hospice soon with dementia (she has had it for at least 5 years). We are not expecting her to make it through the year. Add to that the settling of the estate for my FIL, the potential loss of Medicaid to pay for my MIL's care (due to the estate), the legal issues associated with everything, the tax implications of everything, etc. It is a full-time job for my wife to handle everything. She gets no help from her brother, so it falls on my wife. I do everything I can to help her, but she is losing her mind.

 

Stay strong, brother. It is not easy.

[3rdnlng]

57 minutes ago, Wacka said:

 I really went off  on Kemp yesterday and actually softened  what I wrote so I wouldn't be put on "vacation".  

Yesterday , after waking  my mom from a nap at 7 PM  she starts crying and saying she has to get a lawyer so she can stop us kids from taking the house. I spent a good 20 minutes explaining that we pay the taxes when they are due  and the house is paid off over 35 years ago. Also that the house is in trust so they  can't take it if she goes into a nursing home.  Earlier When she was awake in the afternoon  she kept asking who owns the house.  I wish Kemp would  have to experience even a small fraction of this. 

God Bless you for your efforts. My 90 something mother has dementia and was recently diagnosed with cancer. She is cognizant enough to be able to have made a reasoned decision to not accept any inordinate efforts to keep her alive. The cancer is the type that makes it impossible for her to consume anything other than liquids. She will eventually starve to death, most likely before the cancer kills her. My siblings and I are fortunate that the extent of the dementia seems to have been limited to severe short term memory loss. Her spirits are good and she is very thankful for visitors even if she doesn't remember who they are. I'm personally thankful for my sister who has taken care of her for the last so many years and had the foresight to make suitable living arrangements a few years back. We are in the beginning stages of Hospice care and alternate between the sadness of our pending loss and the celebration of an exemplary life lived. 

 

I can understand your desire that the despicable Kemp would have to experience even a small fraction of what you are going through. Stop and think though, would you want to have him taking care of anyone, much less a person who really can't handle day-to-day issues for themselves? Kemp denigrated you for being the primary caregiver for your mother. His comments were so off the mark that he deserves whatever he gets here. I hope it's a lot.