Buffalo PD assault older gentleman, leave him to bleed

[Bad Things]

I'm surprised that this hasn't been mentioned up in this thread.

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/06/08/brevard-county-fraternal-order-police-facebook-posts-draw-ire/5317923002/

 

What a joke.

Could you imagine living in Brevard County Florida, knowing that the police union is actively recruiting these heavy-handed cops?

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bad Things

[K-9]

Below is a Facebook post from a dispatcher with the Buffalo Police Department who has since been suspended. While his is a civilian position within the department, it is that LAST thing this department needs. It raises questions about the kind of culture within the department. Just a stupid, tone deaf thing to say. Especially in the current climate. 

 

[Rob's House]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, Wacka said:

That blood coming out of his ear is highly suspect. I slipped on some ice  on my driveway  in 2018. I hit the back of my head on the blacktop and heard a crack.  No cut but had a big bump on the back of my head. A day later  I had a contra-cous  injury ( headache on the other side of my head  where my brain rebounded and hit the inside of my skull. Iwas 61 at the fime.  I could see blood  where his skull hit the pavement  and caused a cut, but not out his ear. 

 

I guess that would be why as a teenager training as an EMT, we were taught to check ears for bleeding after a head trauma?  Because bleeding out of the ear is "highly suspect", Wacka says so?

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/ear-bleeding

Trauma to the head

A hit, fall, or accident can cause a head injury that can lead to bleeding from the ear. This could be a sign of bleeding around the brain, so you should seek emergency medical attention.

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320237
 

More severe injuries or traumas to the head may cause bleeding from the ears. These types of injuries are often due to an accident, a fall, or a sports injury.

In cases when bleeding from the ears accompanies a head injury, the person may have a concussion.

(...)

Bleeding from the ears after a head injury may be the result of a skull fracture, severe trauma, or other serious injury, so a person will need immediate medical attention.

 

Google.  2 minutes.  But I guess those sources must be highly suspect too.

[Kelly the Dog]

7 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

There are a bunch of media outlets and right wing conspiracy theorists spreading the lie that Mayor Brown was calling Gugino an agitator and other nasty stuff. He never did. He was talking about a different protestor Myles Carter when he used that language. They don't seem to care. 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

There are a bunch of media outlets and right wing conspiracy theorists spreading the lie that Mayor Brown was calling Gugino an agitator and other nasty stuff. He never did. He was talking about a different protestor Myles Carter when he used that language. They don't seem to care. 

I mean even if all that crap in the tweets is true it wouldn't matter, the most they should of done is detain and arrest him instead they pushed a 75 year old man and as tends to happen he fell down.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean even if all that crap in the tweets is true it wouldn't matter, the most they should of done is detain and arrest him instead they pushed a 75 year old man and as tends to happen he fell down.

I believe he has been arrested four times, for protesting torture at Gitmo. But was released each time. He's also a member of the Peace Center, which my mother was one of its most active members for years. There is not a chance they would allow a guy to be a long standing member if he were the inviting violence type. They work against violence. 

 

[Bad Things]

2 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

Don't you get it?  It doesn't matter.  It's all about how the cops reacted to him. 

You're just seem fired up because he obviously doesn't align with your political beliefs.  If the cops pushed down a 75 year old conservative man, how would you feel?

 

Imagine if this was 2016 and it was a Trump supporter being pushed by cops outside a rally, while Obama was still President.

I have a suspicion that you'd be singing a different tune.

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bad Things

[Bad Things]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300031796/oh-lord-ugh-republicans-react-to-donald-trump-suggesting-protester-set-up-police

Has everyone lost their minds up there?  It's beyond embarrassing.

[Wacka]

I am not a doctor nor play one on TV.  All I'm  saying is that IMO seeing him go down, I would expect to see  blood coming from his forehead or back of his head, not the ear. 

[K-9]

I’m sure some of you have seen this story, but for those that haven’t it’s worth hearing about. It’s about a Niagara Falls police officer who saw that a young black child was frightened merely by the sight of her police car and how the officer just couldn’t let that pass. This is an essential ingredient in real, impactful change. Well done, officer. 
 

https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/niagara-county/niagara-falls/viral-video-from-niagara-falls-shows-another-side-of-how-police-serve-and-protect/

 

[JohnC]

12 hours ago, Bad Things said:

I'm surprised that this hasn't been mentioned up in this thread.

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/06/08/brevard-county-fraternal-order-police-facebook-posts-draw-ire/5317923002/

 

What a joke.

Could you imagine living in Brevard County Florida, knowing that the police union is actively recruiting these heavy-handed cops?

 

The FOP doesn't hire. The police department does the hiring. The union is basically making a political statement that demonstrates why it is an obstacle to changing the troubled and sclerotic system. 

Edited June 10, 2020 by JohnC

[DrDawkinstein]

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, Wacka said:

I am not a doctor nor play one on TV. All I'm  saying is that IMO seeing him go down, I would expect to see  blood coming from his forehead or back of his head, not the ear. 

There are real doctors and medical staff who treated him when he was in the hospital. Not one of them is making the nonsensical claim that his injuries are not genuine. You are a person with no medical background making a medical judgment on an injury that was captured on tape. This is a situation where you should just trust your eyes rather than your inexplicable logic to come up with your fanciful conclusion. 

[The Dean]

Not sure what the confusion is here. The man posed ZERO physical threat to anyone. Ergo there was ZERO reason to use ANY physical force more than simply approaching him, turning him, and handcuffing him. His politics, what he may have done in the past, etc, mean nothing in this context. He was an old man peacefully demonstrating and refusing to retreat. Hell, most of us could have handled this peacefully by ourselves.

 

When he was pushed he went to the ground (did he flop? why does it matter? he was bleeding on the ground).  Most of the officers simply kept marching by him. It really is a repulsive sight for anyone with a conscious.

 

My question in this case, and so many others is this: If "90% of police officers are good cops" why didn't some of these good cops immediately detain and arrest the officers who pushed him down? Why wasnt' the officer who put his knee on Floyd not arrested by his fellow officers on the spot?  THAT"S what needs to happen in these incidents, IMO.

 

Of course the idea that 90% or any profession (or group) are good, honest, non-racist, etc is nonsense. I can't think of even one profession where that kind of ratio applies. Do you really believe 90% of Priests are good honest people? Were the other priests and bishops who covered up the child abuse "good and honest"? You would think a good honest officer would be thrilled to get scum like that out of their profession. The fellow officers cheering them outside the courtroom is one of the more disgusting things I've witnessed in some time, and it highlights the problem. Until police officers in this country are recruited and trained very differently, this will continue to be an issue. 

[Bill from NYC]

36 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

My question in this case, and so many others is this: If "90% of police officers are good cops" why didn't some of these good cops immediately detain and arrest the officers who pushed him down? Why wasnt' the officer who put his knee on Floyd not arrested by his fellow officers on the spot?  THAT"S what needs to happen in these incidents, IMO.

 

 

Maybe because they were imposing a government mandated curfew and the man approached and even accosted riot police officers. I'm not sure, not  good timing maybe?

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[K-9]

20 minutes ago, The Dean said:

Not sure what the confusion is here. The man posed ZERO physical threat to anyone. Ergo there was ZERO reason to use ANY physical force more than simply approaching him, turning him, and handcuffing him. His politics, what he may have done in the past, etc, mean nothing in this context. He was an old man peacefully demonstrating and refusing to retreat. Hell, most of us could have handled this peacefully by ourselves.

 

When he was pushed he went to the ground (did he flop? why does it matter? he was bleeding on the ground).  Most of the officers simply kept marching by him. It really is a repulsive sight for anyone with a conscious.

 

My question in this case, and so many others is this: If "90% of police officers are good cops" why didn't some of these good cops immediately detain and arrest the officers who pushed him down? Why wasnt' the officer who put his knee on Floyd not arrested by his fellow officers on the spot?  THAT"S what needs to happen in these incidents, IMO.

 

Of course the idea that 90% or any profession (or group) are good, honest, non-racist, etc is nonsense. I can't think of even one profession where that kind of ratio applies. Do you really believe 90% of Priests are good honest people? Were the other priests and bishops who covered up the child abuse "good and honest"? You would think a good honest officer would be thrilled to get scum like that out of their profession. The fellow officers cheering them outside the courtroom is one of the more disgusting things I've witnessed in some time, and it highlights the problem. Until police officers in this country are recruited and trained very differently, this will continue to be an issue. 

There’s no confusion here. Just a deliberate attempt by right wing conspiracy theorists like Trump and Roscoe B Davis to discredit Martin Gugino who’s been protesting since the civil rights movement for crissakes. Arrested 300 times? A member of Antifa? Fake blood? A set up? Pure horse crap. 
 

But he’s an agitator alright. As evidenced by all those he’s triggered. That said, agitation is an ingredient in political protests. Always has been, always will be. 

[Bill from NYC]

37 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

 The fellow officers cheering them outside the courtroom is one of the more disgusting things I've witnessed in some time

Really? Do you live in a cave, come out for this video, and go running back in?

 

Two nights ago there were 18 human beings murdered in Chicago, and I think another 12 were shot. Police Officers have been murdered around the nation during these riots and I think there was also a murder in Minesota by a scumbag ex-cop, no?

 

OK, the police officers supporting the 2 fellow officers for pushing and unintentionally injuring this ill advised man constitutes "one the more disgusting things you have seen in some time?" Wow!

 

C'mon Brian.....try to let old personal wounds die.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[Wacka]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

There are real doctors and medical staff who treated him when he was in the hospital. Not one of them is making the nonsensical claim that his injuries are not genuine. You are a person with no medical background making a medical judgment on an injury that was captured on tape. This is a situation where you should just trust your eyes rather than your inexplicable logic to come up with your fanciful conclusion. 

Could it be HIPPA laws? If they did,  it would mean their job.

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Could it be HIPPA laws? If they did,  it would mean their job.

Reporting no injuries found is no more of a HIIPA violation than saying he’s in serious but stable condition, which has been reported. 

[Mr Info]

59 minutes ago, The Dean said:

...Of course the idea that 90% or any profession (or group) are good, honest, non-racist, etc is nonsense. I can't think of even one profession where that kind of ratio applies. 

I believe that 99% of people in the profession in which I work are honest. But they have to be as there is audit trail documenting their input and actions.

 

If they are found to perform something incorrectly or provide a reason that is inaccurate then they are immediately dismissed. I have seen this occur but it is rare.

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Wacka said:

Could it be HIPPA laws? If they did,  it would mean their job.

As K-9 stated the hospital put out his condition that he was in serious and stable condition. It is a generic  categorization of his condition that the hospital is allowed to put out. (If I am wrong on that I would appreciate those in the know to correct me.)  Although there are privacy laws it would be likely that if the individual was faking the seriousness of the injury that information would have leaked out. The tape of the incident clearly showed that this 75 year old fell back and hit his head on the concrete after being pushed by the officer. As I said in a prior post: Trust your eyes. 

 

Let me add my previously stated opinion that I don't believe the officer acted out of malice and with any intent of hurting this confrontational oldster. It's my opinion that the DA jumped to his conclusion in criminally charging the officer because of political expediency. I believe that this incident involving the officer should have been handled within the confines of the police disciplinary system. 

[The Dean]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Really? Do you live in a cave, come out for this video, and go running back in?

 

Two nights ago there were 18 human beings murdered in Chicago, and I think another 12 were shot. Police Officers have been murdered around the nation during these riots and I think there was also a murder in Minesota by a scumbag ex-cop, no?

 

OK, the police officers supporting the 2 fellow officers for pushing and unintentionally injuring this ill advised man constitutes "one the more disgusting things you have seen in some time?" Wow!

 

C'mon Brian.....try to let old personal wounds die.

 

 

What happened in Chicago is entirely irrelevant to the old man being pushed to the concrete by police officers. Different incident, different incidents, different individuals. Not sure why you think that is relevant here.  Indeed that is a disgusting thing. Not sure how it relates to the Buffalo incident in any way.

 

With special privilege comes special responsibility. So when those in power abuse it, I am FAR more infuriated than when those who aren't in power do stupid things. Don't get me wrong,  I think violence started by any faction is typically wrong and unreasonable. But when those entrusted to keep the peace actually start the violence (in a particular setting) it needs to be addressed ASAP, by the others entrusted to do the same. 

 

And I really have no idea what you mean by "old personal wounds".  But if you aren't enraged by the officers letting him bleed on the ground, and not rushing to his aid, then I have to ask, what happened to your humanity? 

[Bill from NYC]

11 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

What happened in Chicago is entirely irrelevant to the old man being pushed to the concrete by police officers. Different incident, different incidents, different individuals. Not sure why you think that is relevant here.  Indeed that is a disgusting thing. Not sure how it relates to the Buffalo incident in any way.

 

With special privilege comes special responsibility. So when those in power abuse it, I am FAR more infuriated than when those who aren't in power do stupid things. Don't get me wrong,  I think violence started by any faction is typically wrong and unreasonable. But when those entrusted to keep the peace actually start the violence (in a particular setting) it needs to be addressed ASAP, by the others entrusted to do the same. 

 

And I really have no idea what you mean by "old personal wounds".  But if you aren't enraged by the officers letting him bleed on the ground, and not rushing to his aid, then I have to ask, what happened to your humanity? 

Brian, I was referring specifically to this quote: "The police officers cheering them outside the courtroom is one of the more disgusting things I've witnessed in some time."

 

My point was that I am thinking that there were plenty of more disgusting things very recently, to include the senseless, horrible murder in Minnesota.

 

Sorry if I was not clear enough.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[The Dean]

46 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Brian, I was referring specifically to this quote: "The police officers cheering them outside the courtroom is one of the more disgusting things I've witnessed in some time."

 

My point was that I am thinking that there were plenty of more disgusting things very recently, to include the senseless, horrible murder in Minnesota.

 

Sorry if I was not clear enough.

 

Bill, I have seen many disgusting things the past week-more than I've seen in quite awhile. On that I think we can agree.

[That's No Moon]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Maybe because they were imposing a government mandated curfew and the man approached and even accosted riot police officers. I'm not sure, not  good timing maybe?

So detain him and move on. If they were fine leaving him lying on the ground with blood coming out of his ear then they would have been fine leaving him on the ground with his hands and legs zip tied for the trailing officers to pick up.

 

This is also the danger of allowing the President or whoever else to come out and just label people.  He states that he's going to declare Antifa to be a terrorist organization (I'm going to ignore that the Klu Klux Klan isn't even labeled as a terrorist organization and I'm also going to ignore that the laws are written specifically for FOREIGN terrorist organizations so as not to trample people's Constitutional rights which is WHY the Klan isn't listed).  Then he insinuates that this person is an Antifa operative. Ergo the President of the United States just called this guy a terrorist.  That guy.  He's what we created anti-terrorism laws for?  Read through some of what those laws entail and decide if that's what we want politicians on either side labeling their opposition (American citizens, with rights) and then having the full weight of the federal system behind them to back it up.

 

FTO list and some explanation of what that designation means.

[Bill from NYC]

You make a decent point about the KKK. Imo they SHOULD be a terrorist group and it should have happened from the moment they existed. I do however respectfully point out that Obama had 8 years to do this. That said, I hope that President Trump does declare them as such.

 

Antifa has been delivering pallets of bricks to rioters and paying them to burn and destroy things and people. They ARE terrorists and need to pay the price.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[K-9]

39 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

You make a decent point about the KKK. Imo they SHOULD be a terrorist group and it should have happened from the moment they existed. I do however respectfully point out that Obama had 8 years to do this. That said, I hope that President Trump does declare them as such.

 

Antifa has been delivering pallets of bricks to rioters and paying them to burn and destroy things and people. They ARE terrorists and need to pay the price.

Apparently,  news reports and city officials are refuting these claims and saying that those brick deliveries are for legitimate construction projects:
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/bricks-were-placed-for-construction-not-to-incite-protesters/
 

The White House had removed their own videos once their claims were debunked as well:

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/04/white-house-forced-retract-claim-viral-videos-prove-antifa-plotting-violence/

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by K-9

[Warcodered]

34 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Apparently,  news reports and city officials are refuting these claims and saying that those brick deliveries are for legitimate construction projects:
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/bricks-were-placed-for-construction-not-to-incite-protesters/
 

The White House had removed their own videos once their claims were debunked as well:

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/04/white-house-forced-retract-claim-viral-videos-prove-antifa-plotting-violence/

 

 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Apparently,  news reports and city officials are refuting these claims and saying that those brick deliveries are for legitimate construction projects:
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/bricks-were-placed-for-construction-not-to-incite-protesters/
 

The White House had removed their own videos once their claims were debunked as well:

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/04/white-house-forced-retract-claim-viral-videos-prove-antifa-plotting-violence/

 

 

 

Yeah sure, ok. Cities around the country are getting legitimate brick deliveries in the middle of riots. Got it.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yeah sure, ok. Cities around the country are getting legitimate brick deliveries in the middle of riots. Got it.

I forgot all construction had been put on hold for riot week.

[K-9]

12 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yeah sure, ok. Cities around the country are getting legitimate brick deliveries in the middle of riots. Got it.

What’s your news source for the brick deliveries? 
 

Did the White House delete their propaganda because they weren’t debunked?

 

And no, deliveries aren’t made in the middle of the riots. But they are routinely made in cities with riots none the less. Construction projects, many delayed due to shutdowns, have resumed all over the country over the last six weeks. Additionally, the FBI and other investigative agencies have not been able confirm these allegations. At all. 
 

 

[Bill from NYC]

10 minutes ago, K-9 said:

What’s your news source for the brick deliveries? 
 

Did the White House delete their propaganda because they weren’t debunked?

 

And no, deliveries aren’t made in the middle of the riots. But they are routinely made in cities with riots none the less. Construction projects, many delayed due to shutdowns, have resumed all over the country over the last six weeks. Additionally, the FBI and other investigative agencies have not been able confirm these allegations. At all. 
 

 

Yes, the FBI is always trustworthy.

 

11 minutes ago, K-9 said:

What’s your news source for the brick deliveries? 
 

Did the White House delete their propaganda because they weren’t debunked?

 

And no, deliveries aren’t made in the middle of the riots. But they are routinely made in cities with riots none the less. Construction projects, many delayed due to shutdowns, have resumed all over the country over the last six weeks. Additionally, the FBI and other investigative agencies have not been able confirm these allegations. At all. 
 

 

Do you think Antifa is legit or are they terrorists?

 

[4merper4mer]

4 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

What happened in Chicago is entirely irrelevant to the old man being pushed to the concrete by police officers. Different incident, different incidents, different individuals. Not sure why you think that is relevant here.  Indeed that is a disgusting thing. Not sure how it relates to the Buffalo incident in any way.

 

With special privilege comes special responsibility. So when those in power abuse it, I am FAR more infuriated than when those who aren't in power do stupid things. Don't get me wrong,  I think violence started by any faction is typically wrong and unreasonable. But when those entrusted to keep the peace actually start the violence (in a particular setting) it needs to be addressed ASAP, by the others entrusted to do the same. 

 

And I really have no idea what you mean by "old personal wounds".  But if you aren't enraged by the officers letting him bleed on the ground, and not rushing to his aid, then I have to ask, what happened to your humanity? 

One of the PPP lefties was there and estimated the time until medical assistance arrived at 15 seconds.  The guy got pushed away from the cops he was clearly trying to disrupt/scan/whatever.  He had been told multiple times to go away.  He didn't.  He then approached the cops using a phone app to identify them and /or their communications.  Earlier he had been told by protestors to STFU and one commented that the guy was looking to get punched.  It's unfortunate he got hurt but if you think waiting 15 seconds for medical attention is the pinnacle of wrong, I think you're off base.  How long a wait is acceptable to you?  14 seconds?  10?  3?

5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

 

 

Do you think Antifa is legit or are they terrorists?

 

I think they're weak sauce terrorists for the most part because they are mostly screeching wimps.  But at their core they are dime a dozen commies.

[K-9]

13 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yes, the FBI is always trustworthy.

 

Do you think Antifa is legit or are they terrorists?

 

This FBI? Trump’s and Barr’s FBI? They’ve been specifically tasked with finding evidence that Antifa is organizing violence around the country and so far...crickets. I know that must upset Trump and Barr to no end, but not even they can manufacture the evidence they seek. I imagine that’s gotten more difficult since their conflicting lies about the events at Lafeyette Square on June 1st. 
 

I don’t care for Antifa. I think Antifa is a far left organization that the far right is trying desperately to blame for the the violence at these protests around the country. I don’t think they are as organized as people want to give them credit for. I think they’ve contributed no more to the violence than any other group, right or left. I’m open to seeing proof that they have. And no, I’m not so fast and loose with classifying Americans as terrorist groups. I think we need to tread very carefully there. 
 

I’m still interested in seeing your source about the brick deliveries. 

[K-9]

Additional insight into the Antifa narrative. It says volumes that far right groups have been caught creating bogus Antifa accounts on social media in order to stoke the fear and create chaos. Must be those whackos that want another civil war. The more I read about Antifa, the more I think they’re mostly a disorganized feckless group. 
 

https://apple.news/AI-aIoBX2RkG2wt9zt2lmHA

 

[Happy]

30 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This FBI? Trump’s and Barr’s FBI? They’ve been specifically tasked with finding evidence that Antifa is organizing violence around the country and so far...crickets. I know that must upset Trump and Barr to no end, but not even they can manufacture the evidence they seek. I imagine that’s gotten more difficult since their conflicting lies about the events at Lafeyette Square on June 1st. 
 

I don’t care for Antifa. I think Antifa is a far left organization that the far right is trying desperately to blame for the the violence at these protests around the country. I don’t think they are as organized as people want to give them credit for. I think they’ve contributed no more to the violence than any other group, right or left. I’m open to seeing proof that they have. And no, I’m not so fast and loose with classifying Americans as terrorist groups. I think we need to tread very carefully there. 
 

I’m still interested in seeing your source about the brick deliveries. 

 

Antifa is a lot more organized, and violent, than you give them credit for.  This is a dangerous group that needs to be shut down.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/06/09/antifa-militants-seize-seattle-police-hq-set-up-autonomous-zone-n512621

[The Dean]

25 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Antifa is a lot more organized, and violent, than you give them credit for.  This is a dangerous group that needs to be shut down.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/06/09/antifa-militants-seize-seattle-police-hq-set-up-autonomous-zone-n512621

 

Check your sources. PJ Media is far from reliable. 

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Antifa is a lot more organized, and violent, than you give them credit for.  This is a dangerous group that needs to be shut down.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/06/09/antifa-militants-seize-seattle-police-hq-set-up-autonomous-zone-n512621

I think I’ll take the word of the reporting from The Seattle Times, a news agency with boots on the ground in the actual area where protestors are camping out. No mention of a police department taken over,  no mention of armed patrols. Mention of protests remaining peaceful though with no ISIS like tactics, unless ISIS was into candlelit memorials, street art, spray paint, free snacks for protestors, and medic stations set up by local providers. 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-live-updates-for-tuesday-june-9/
 

A Seattle FoxNews report concurs. 
 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-city-hall-protesters-autonomous-zone

 

This is the same area and group of protestors that two days ago a white, right wing extremist drove his car into, shot a protestor, ran away with his gun and high volume clip, and was later arrested. 
 

Like I said, I’ll be interested to see any substantiated report that Antifa is organizing any violence at these protests. To date, after 16 days of protests, I haven’t seen one corroborated report of Antifa organized violence. When I do, I’ll be the first to post it here. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

Check your sources. PJ Media is far from reliable. 

This is half the problem. 

[Happy]

7 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

Check your sources. PJ Media is far from reliable. 

 

Not at all true, source is fine.  Here is a link from the city-journal detailing the same thing:

 

https://www.city-journal.org/antifa-seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I think I’ll take the word of the reporting from The Seattle Times, a news agency with boots on the ground in the actual area where protestors are camping out. No mention of a police department taken over,  no mention of armed patrols. Mention of protests remaining peaceful though with no ISIS like tactics, unless ISIS was into candlelit memorials, street art, spray paint, free snacks for protestors, and medic stations set up by local providers. 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-live-updates-for-tuesday-june-9/
 

A Seattle FoxNews report concurs. 
 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-city-hall-protesters-autonomous-zone

 

This is the same area and group of protestors that two days ago a white, right wing extremist drove his car into, shot a protestor, ran away with his gun and high volume clip, and was later arrested. 
 

Like I said, I’ll be interested to see any substantiated report that Antifa is organizing any violence at these protests. To date, after 16 days of protests, I haven’t seen one corroborated report of Antifa organized violence. When I do, I’ll be the first to post it here. 

 

 

This is half the problem. 

 

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Hundreds of protesters, aided by a sympathetic City Council member, stormed Seattle's City Hall Tuesday night to demand the mayor's resignation, just days after seizing a six-block downtown zone that includes a shuttered police precinct.

 

You can't bury your head in the sand with this group.