Protest in Buffalo

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

My only question would be this:  how many times can you think of where whites were raped, murdered, and/or traded as a fungible asset specifically because they were white?  Off the top of my head, I can think of white POWs under Japanese occupation during WWII.  Although the Japanese held racist sentiments for everyone who wasn't Japanese, including other East Asians who share their phenotype.  

 

Slavery has a long history across many cultures.  Whites and non-whites have engaged in it.  The Romans and Spartans (two white, Western examples) enslaved whomever they conquered regardless of skin color, at least to my knowledge.  The Ancient Egyptians (white, non-Western) also did the same for thousands of years prior.  

 

But the institutionalized "otherness" based on skin color is something that's fairly unique to whites.  Here you have institutions like religion (The White Man's Burden), science (eugenics), and law (see Motorin's post above) using skin color to systemically differentiate people beginning in the Early Modern period.  It created a different breed of slavery from the historic colorblind slavery that humanity was "used" to.  

You mysteriously left out the history of Islamic slave traders. That is a huge omission. You need to read a little more. Perhaps a lot more. African tribes in cooperation with Arab slave traders were the basis of this trade. Not only that, the Arabs castrated the male African slaves. You need to study.

[Capco]

1 minute ago, Reality Check said:

You mysteriously left out the history of Islamic slave traders. That is a huge omission. You need to read a little more. Perhaps a lot more. African tribes in cooperation with Arab slave traders were the basis of this trade. Not only that, the Arabs castrated the male African slaves. You need to study.

 

I'm aware of that slave trade, the tensions between Europe and the Ottoman Empire beginning in the 15th century, the Barbary corsairs, the shores of Tripoli, etc.

 

Arabs, Persians, and Turks are white btw.  

[Joe Miner]

5 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

You mysteriously left out the history of Islamic slave traders. That is a huge omission. You need to read a little more. Perhaps a lot more. African tribes in cooperation with Arab slave traders were the basis of this trade. Not only that, the Arabs castrated the male African slaves. You need to study.

 

I think we all know that George Washington started slavery when he and his capitalist pig friends fought an unjust war to found America on the patriarchy that is Western Civilization.

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

I'm aware of that slave trade, the tensions between Europe and the Ottoman Empire beginning in the 15th century, the Barbary corsairs, the shores of Tripoli, etc.

 

Arabs, Persians, and Turks are white btw.  

You should taking your SJW bottom over there and try convincing them of that notion. That should be a great story. You really have no sense of gene pools outside of skin color do you?

4 minutes ago, Joe Miner said:

 

I think we all know that George Washington started slavery when he and his capitalist pig friends fought an unjust war to found America on the patriarchy that is Western Civilization.

I stand corrected. Anyone with the last name of Washington needs to pay the Reparations bill. 

[Jauronimo]

26 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

If the measure of such things is receiving generational wealth, then probably since I've received none.

 

 

 

 

The measure of such things is not generational wealth.  

 

Your answer?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

21 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

The measure of such things is not generational wealth.  

 

Your answer?

 

Probably not.

 

That being said, I don't think that's due to structural racism.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Joe in Winslow

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

You should taking your SJW bottom over there and try convincing them of that notion. That should be a great story. You really have no sense of gene pools outside of skin color do you?

 

I'm not really sure what gene pools have to do with the history of racism.  Genetics is a relatively recent discovery, and interestingly enough one of its first applications was to support established racism.  

 

White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

 

https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html

 

If an Arab-, Iranian-, or Turkish-American was filling out a US Census form, how would they answer the race question?  (hint:  the answer is somewhere in this post)

[Deranged Rhino]

36 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

My only question would be this:  how many times can you think of where whites were raped, murdered, and/or traded as a fungible asset specifically because they were white?   

 

Note: This was addressed and Capco ignored it. 

 

Why? 

 

Because he's being dishonest. Critical theory has rotted his brain. 

[Reality Check]

8 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

I'm not really sure what gene pools have to do with the history of racism.  Genetics is a relatively recent discovery, and interestingly enough one of its first applications was to support established racism.  

 

White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

 

https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html

 

If an Arab-, Iranian-, or Turkish-American was filling out a US Census form, how would they answer the race question?  (hint:  the answer is somewhere in this post)

You are hopeless. Enjoy your career complaining about things you clearly don't even want to understand. You want to change the world, try changing yourself first. If you can't figure out your own problems, then you will have a short and painful career solving everyone else's.

[Capco]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Note: This was addressed and Capco ignored it. 

 

Why? 

 

Because he's being dishonest. Critical theory has rotted his brain. 

 

I enjoyed our back-and-forth chatting until your posts devolved into crap like this.  At least the other posters are putting in some honest effort into their comments.  

 

This is a pity post so you can stop looking like a parrot.  It's bizarre, ngl.  

[Deranged Rhino]

10 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

I enjoyed our back-and-forth chatting until your posts devolved into crap like this.  At least the other posters are putting in some honest effort into their comments.  

 

This is a pity post so you can stop looking like a parrot.  It's bizarre, ngl.  

 

So -- you make a statement, saying something has never happened in history. I show you it's happening right now -- and you ignore it because it's inconvenient to your narrative. 

 

One of us is being honest. It's not you. 

 

Keep pushing that mind poison. It's helping your cause. 

51 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Slavery has existed since the beginning of time. It still exists today. Sexual slavery exists today, and white women are highly prized and valued because of their skin. 

 

 

Your understanding of how Chattel slavery came to be is very poor. 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Deranged Rhino
typo/clarity

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So -- you ask a statement, saying something has never happened in history. I show you it's happening right now -- and you ignore it because it's inconvenient to your narrative. 

 

One of us is being honest. It's not you. 

 

Keep pushing that mind poison. It's helping your cause. 

 

?‍♂️

 

Where did I say something has never happened in history?  I believe I asked "how many examples" of racism against whites solely for being white can you think of, noting how there really aren't that many.  I even offered an example of my own to get the conversation going since I'm genuinely interested in how many examples there are, so how on Earth could I have said it never happened in history when I gave an example?  Lol.  

 

I appreciate you offering the example of human trafficking, as it's one I didn't think of.  But so far, there is that example and the one I provided earlier about the Japanese (with the caveat that they were racist to everyone non-Japanese).  That's not really a large body of examples imo.  

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

 

?‍♂️

 

Where did I say something has never happened in history?  I believe I asked "how many examples" of racism against whites solely for being white can you think of, noting how there really aren't that many.  I even offered an example of my own to get the conversation going since I'm genuinely interested in how many examples there are, so how on Earth could I have said it never happened in history when I gave an example?  Lol.  

 

I appreciate you offering the example of human trafficking, as it's one I didn't think of.  But so far, there is that example and the one I provided earlier about the Japanese (with the caveat that they were racist to everyone non-Japanese).  That's not really a large body of examples imo.  

 

The example you gave was garbage. The number of white women trafficked today because of their skin dwarfs your example ten fold. You ignore it because it hurts your critical theory which is Marxism re-packaged. You've proven you don't have a basic handle on the present let alone the history of slavery on this planet. 

 

Keep pushing that poison. It's really helping your cause, not furthering the divide you claim to want to heal. 

[Capco]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The example you gave was garbage. The number of white women trafficked today because of their skin dwarfs your example ten fold. You ignore it because it hurts your critical theory which is Marxism re-packaged. You've proven you don't have a basic handle on the present let alone the history of slavery on this planet. 

 

Keep pushing that poison. It's really helping your cause, not furthering the divide you claim to want to heal. 

 

I'm not ignoring it but okay?  Even if that's the only example you can think of, I appreciate your contribution nonetheless.  Human trafficking needs to end ASAP.  

 

The rest of your post is standard weirdo DR.  

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Capco said:

 

I'm not ignoring it but okay? 

 

You did though. Completely. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people today are in slavery -- and you didn't address that once in all your teeth gnashing about the past. 

 

 

 

 

 

"Weirdo DR" = inconvenient facts that run afoul of your cognitive dissonance. 

 

That's what happens when you ingest Marxist ideology without a filter. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

On 5/30/2020 at 10:32 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Protest in Buffalo

 

Geez, I know everybody in Buffalo want Botterill fired but there's no reason to start a riot about it.

[Like A Mofo]

Given how things are in the United States these days, I am thoroughly disgusted with being an American and can envision things getting a lot worse here.

 

I am absolutely looking to relocate to a country that is peaceful, somewhat balanced politically.

 

Any good suggestions?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

14 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

Given how things are in the United States these days, I am thoroughly disgusted with being an American and can envision things getting a lot worse here.

 

I am absolutely looking to relocate to a country that is peaceful, somewhat balanced politically.

 

Any good suggestions?

 

Japan.

 

Culturally stable, politically stable. Relatively economically stable.

 

I'd personally love to live in the Northeast of England. But it ain't much better than the US

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Joe in Winslow

[Deranged Rhino]

21 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

Given how things are in the United States these days, I am thoroughly disgusted with being an American and can envision things getting a lot worse here.

 

I am absolutely looking to relocate to a country that is peaceful, somewhat balanced politically.

 

Any good suggestions?

 

[Wacka]

2 hours ago, Capco said:

 

I'm not really sure what gene pools have to do with the history of racism.  Genetics is a relatively recent discovery, and interestingly enough one of its first applications was to support established racism.  

 

White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

 

https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html

 

If an Arab-, Iranian-, or Turkish-American was filling out a US Census form, how would they answer the race question?  (hint:  the answer is somewhere in this post)

Under your definition, Charlize theron is not white.

In 2000 I put human for my race on the census form.

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And the arc of history and legislation in this country has been towards justice, not the opposite. Compare where we were in 1960 to 2020. That's just 60 years. 

 

But Critical Theory doesn't give that credit. It's goal is not to continue seeking justice, but to burn it all down "just because". That's why it's wrong. That's why it's poison. It offers no solutions, it ignores reality in favor of sensationalism. It seeks to control weaker minds through emotional manipulation. 

 

 

 

I agree with the first statement. I think at every increment forward there's been push back, including now. First it was the idea that it was just one bad officer that killed George Floyd but not indicative of any systemic issue within the structure of policing. It has now expanded to 'it was four bad police officers,' but four bad cops aren't indicative of a problem with the system itself.

 

What then of the county Medical Examiner finding "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation...?”  At the very least there is a perception of systemic bias. If in fact the Medical Examiner overlooked evidence of asphyxia to save Chauvin from 1st degree murder charges was it just one bad ME?

 

As far as your criticism of critical theory, much longer conversation needed. I think it's pretty clear that there is a major anti-capitalist ideology at the heart of the riots. I don't agree with any of the looting and destruction. These people are not going to get the ideological endgame they  want even if they cause maximum carnage. That doesn't mean that their aren't legitimate criticisms of capitalism that have positive solutions working within a framework of laws rather than anarchistic lawlessness. 

 

 

[Motorin']

12 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Under your definition, Charlize theron is not white.

In 2000 I put human for my race on the census form.

 

The very concept of race is the problem. The idea of "Whiteness" didn't come into existence as a category until the 17th century, and it was used to justify hierarchy as aristocracies began colonizing the "non-white" and therefore "inferior" world.

 

The very idea of a "white people" is racist. Not one of us are from the nation of Whiteness, speaks the language of Whiteness. We celebrate our varied heritages.  St. Patties day, Italian Festivals, Greek Festivals  ect ect ect.... And we should celebrate our many heritages. But show me one celebration of "white pride" that isn't about white supremacy? 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Motorin'

[Unforgiven]

6 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The very concept of race is the problem. The idea of "Whiteness" didn't come into existence as a category until the 17th century, and it was used to justify hierarchy as aristocracies began colonizing the "non-white" and therefore "inferior" world.

 

The very idea of a "white people" is racist. Not one of us are from the nation of Whiteness, speaks the language of Whiteness. We celebrate our varied heritages.  St. Patties day, Italian Festivals, Greek Festivals  ect ect ect.... And we should celebrate our many heritages. But show me one celebration of "white pride" that isn't about white supremacy? 

 

It's a big....

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

I agree with the first statement. I think at every increment forward there's been push back, including now. First it was the idea that it was just one bad officer that killed George Floyd but not indicative of any systemic issue within the structure of policing. It has now expanded to 'it was four bad police officers,' but four bad cops aren't indicative of a problem with the system itself.

 

No one, not a single person here (that I saw) or anywhere, has done anything but condemn all four of the officers involved. Very, VERY, few people here in PPP have ever argued that the system is perfect and free from flaws -- racial, prejudicial, or otherwise. But just as the actions of one person doesn't condemn all people, the crimes of one (or four) cops does not make every LEO an enemy. Thinking that way (not saying you are, speaking in general) is how the problems continues to fester rather than get addressed. When that becomes the topic, "all cops are bad", the entire subject has moved from the actual problems -- which are, largely, systemic yet fixable -- to something else entirely. 

 

And that leads to two sides talking past one another, about separate points, which leads to "lines being drawn" and people digging in. 

 

What happened here, the initial spark of the protests, was universally condemned by all sides. Then, paid agitators (however you wish to define them) who were working for their own causes, and not for George, poured gasoline on an already combustible situation and started chucking matches. Now we have several different groups converging with different motivations, and that is breeding confusion. The media (in general) is using that confusion to gaslight people and fan the flames on one side without acknowledging what's actually happening.

 

Right now we have three groups (probably more, but let's keep it clean): 1) honest, good, sympathetic protesters who are exercising their constitutional rights in a peaceful (even if loud/obtrusive) fashion. 2) A "normal/expected" criminal element (which includes many who were released onto the streets during the pandemic) who, for no other reason than being criminally inclined, are looting/rioting/causing trouble. This group exists in almost every large protest regardless of the issue, they're also known as "#######s". 3)The "new" element, or at least unusual element, in this current situation is this third group that's been deployed by parties unknown to incite unrest.

 

That group is being ignored, downplayed, or dismissed by the media who want to create the situation I described in the first paragraph above. Because they want to perpetuate the cycle that's kept them in power (and rich) for decades. 

 

15 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

What then of the county Medical Examiner finding "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation...?”  At the very least there is a perception of systemic bias. If in fact the Medical Examiner overlooked evidence of asphyxia to save Chauvin from 1st degree murder charges was it just one bad ME?

 

The FBI, DOJ, not to mention state and local authorities are combing through this whole thing. If the ME fudged his findings to spare the cops, he/she should (and I expect will) be charged. I'm not blind to the issues here, in fact they overlap with much of what I've spent the past three years exposing with the Flynn matter. But until they actually sweep it under the rug, we shouldn't act as if they have. And when there's wrongdoing exposed, we the people have a duty to call it out regardless of circumstance. This tragedy is not an exception to that imo, or anyone's that I've heard. 

 

18 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

As far as your criticism of critical theory, much longer conversation needed. I think it's pretty clear that there is a major anti-capitalist ideology at the heart of the riots. I don't agree with any of the looting and destruction. These people are not going to get the ideological endgame they  want even if they cause maximum carnage. That doesn't mean that their aren't legitimate criticisms of capitalism that have positive solutions working within a framework of laws rather than anarchistic lawlessness. 

 

We agree here more than you might think. I did not, nor do I believe, that capitalism is above criticism. But criticizing doesn't mean throw the baby out with the bathwater. History has made it clear where Marxism and socialism lead. They're not solutions to whatever problems we have with capitalism, they're chains designed to enslave us to the state. Capitalism, at it's core, is a force for positive human interactions and growth. It rewards people for building/making/selling products that benefit their fellow humans. Socialism/Marxism rewards people for not helping their fellow humans. One is a force for good and freedom. The other offers a false promise of security in exchange for your liberty. 

 

The actual issue we have right now is that the "problems" many on the left see in Capitalism aren't really problems with capitalism itself. Those problems are actually caused by the fact we have more of a kleptocracy at the moment than a true capitalistic system. But, the Marxists don't want to make that distinction clear. They want to obscure it, gaslight their people into thinking they're fighting "capitalism" when they're not. The same goes with Critical Theory in general. It's designed to fool people into thinking they're solving a problem that, in reality, they're not even really addressing. It's a trick. Designed to trap people into surrendering their god given rights and freedoms as a penance for the sins of their fathers. In the end it does not accomplish anything but give more power, wealth, and control to the groups who have their boot on our neck. 

[Capco]

2 hours ago, Wacka said:

Under your definition, Charlize theron is not white.

In 2000 I put human for my race on the census form.

 

Keyword:  original.  As in original peoples.  

 

Who are the original people from South Africa?  And who eventually colonized them?  

 

Lotta big brains on this forum.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Keyword:  original.  As in original peoples.  

 

 

Didn't we all originate in Africa?



 

[Wacka]

1 hour ago, Capco said:

 

Keyword:  original.  As in original peoples.  

 

Who are the original people from South Africa?  And who eventually colonized them?  

 

Lotta big brains on this forum.  

I believed she became an American citizen, so she IS an African-American.

[RiotAct]

someone on facebook said that a police officer got run over on Bailey?  Can anyone confirm?

Edited June 2, 2020 by RiotAct

[Boatdrinks]

13 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Maybe the long and continued  history of white Americans abusive behavior towards Black Americans has something to do with it...,when was the last time a white man was shot for jogging in a park, and the authorities did nothing about it until they were in effect shamed into action. Racism is still alive on a violent level, and is currently flourishing in America, our country has taken a huge step backwards since don don made it to the White House, he too has a long history of abusive behavior towards Black Americans, both he and his father. Like it or not these things are happening and CK was absolutely right in taking a knee during the national anthem to make the point. 

 

Wrong. The past is the past, and our nation has made great strides. The stats do not support an increase in racism at all. It’s a media driven narrative and it’s now an all out assault on the American way of life. The choice could not be more clear. In the last 30 minutes or so , savages shot Buffalo Cops at Bailey and Conley. They drove a car into them too. This is now war, and the streets can’t be ceded to the criminals. The Police and Caucasian Americans are under siege. CK should worry about the shootings in Chicago etc on a daily basis rather than the occasional police involved death. Most of which happen to White subjects. Criminals (protesters”)  injured a State trooper and drove a car into a Police line tonight in Buffalo. Let that sink in while you’re  dreaming of your fairy tale utopia. 

26 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

someone on facebook said that a police officer got run over on Bailey?  Can anyone confirm?

Read my post 

Edited June 2, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[Kevbeau]

30 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

someone on facebook said that a police officer got run over on Bailey?  Can anyone confirm?

Unfortunately yes...saw a clip on Twitter I’ll see if I can find it.

[Paulus]

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112

 

Cops get ran over in Buffalo, NY. Some of that warrior spirit...

33 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

someone on facebook said that a police officer got run over on Bailey?  Can anyone confirm?

https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112

 

 

Happens at :40 secs.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Paulus

[Kevbeau]

Same links I found. It shows the suv actually running into the officers. I don’t recommend watching.

[RiotAct]

2 minutes ago, Paulus said:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112

 

Cops get ran over in Buffalo, NY. Some of that warrior spirit...

https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112

yikes.  Also, given that Yousef guy’s little comment, the post should be flagged by Twitter  as “inciting violence” pretty quickly, no?

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

Unfortunately yes...saw a clip on Twitter I’ll see if I can find it.

 

Sickening to see  .

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Paulus said:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112

 

Cops get ran over in Buffalo, NY. Some of that warrior spirit...

https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112

The comments are insane. The cops deserved it!? WTF 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Paulus said:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112

 

Cops get ran over in Buffalo, NY. Some of that warrior spirit...

https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112

 

 

Happens at :40 secs.

These heinous criminals need to be vanquished from the streets with military force. 

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

The comments are insane. The cops deserved it!? WTF 

That’s where we are at now. Civil war. Wake up folks! Time for the military to come in. 

[Paulus]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

The comments are insane. The cops deserved it!? WTF 

People can be driven to things. 

 

40% unemployment and a reason to do something... This is not all about one guy. Closer to a more perfect storm.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Paulus

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

These heinous criminals need to be vanquished from the streets with military force. 

That’s where we are at now. Civil war. Wake up folks! Time for the military to come in. 

I’m not sure the military could have done much based on that video. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

The comments are insane. The cops deserved it!? WTF 

 

Right. It's very sick people say.  . Hope everyone is ok I think saw one cop.  Feel on the ground before car looks brutal  .  Hope he makes it   

 

So glad to be here around good people. Inspires me little bit.

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Paulus said:

People can be driven to things. 

 

40% unemployment and a reason to do something... This is not all about on guy.

The unemployment is due to liberal governors draconian lockdowns. Preventing people from living their lives, earning a living. That was a reason to do something. Constitutional rights were being stripped away. Where were the protests ? The good hard working people who protested were ridiculed and shamed by liberal losers. This is about one thing only. Liberal hate of America.