Thread: Pegula/Bills/Sabres COVID19 aid/relief efforts (Terry+Kim, Eichel, Josh Allen, Jeff Skinner, Josh Norman, Brandon Beane, etc.)

[Koko78]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It really was, since you are claiming there is a limit on the need for charitable contributions--which of course makes no sense.  It's always "needed".

 

I never claimed there is a limit. I just said the whiners aren't considering that they may have donated what was necessary to carry out the function of the charity.

 

If the charity needs $1.2 million to get through the current crisis, donating $50 million, just because, makes little sense. Nothing prevents them from cutting another check later, if more money is needed.

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

I never claimed there is a limit. I just said the whiners aren't considering that they may have donated what was necessary to carry out the function of the charity.

 

If the charity needs $1.2 million to get through the current crisis, donating $50 million, just because, makes little sense. Nothing prevents them from cutting another check later, if more money is needed.

 

You said "what happens to the other 48.5 million if it's not needed".. Charity is always needed.  In this specific case, there is no end in sight to the need--it will be without limit.

 

 

 

 

[Koko78]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

In this specific case, there is no end in sight to the need--it will be without limit.

 

Yeah, that's just patently untrue.

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Yeah, that's just patently untrue.

 

I'm referring to the current COVID-19 crisis.

[CLTbills]

On 3/26/2020 at 12:51 PM, MJS said:

Must remember that the owners have tons of employees and expenses related to stadiums and other things, so it isn't an apples to apples comparison. But yeah, you'd think owners would be able to donate more.

I get this, but they need to be taking care of the employees. My company has 10,000-plus employees, most of whom work on a strictly commission basis. If the company isn't bringing in money, we're not getting paid. But the owner/CEO/chairman of the company is vowed that not only will we not let go one single employee, they are paying EVERYONE their (almost) normal pay. All ten thousand employees. Hourly people get their full pay, commission employees will get 80% of their normal pay, regardless of if we work a single hour, and regardless of how slow our business is. 

 

THIS is how an employer should treat people.

[bbb]

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

17 tenants i gave 3 months free rent. 

 

Somebody has 30 tenants and gave 6 months free

[Mango]

25 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

Somebody has 30 tenants and gave 6 months free

Unsure if you’re trying to prove a point here or just citing another good landlord. 
 

If you’re just citing another good landlord, good for him! 
 

If you’re trying to make a point. You didn’t. In your situation the other landlord gave no pass on rent to his tenants and told them they might have a place to live when this passes. Then gave a ton of money to the guys across the street for relief. But it’s a donation so he’ll get some of that back. 

[White Linen]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

Unsure if you’re trying to prove a point here or just citing another good landlord. 
 

If you’re just citing another good landlord, good for him! 
 

If you’re trying to make a point. You didn’t. In your situation the other landlord gave no pass on rent to his tenants and told them they might have a place to live when this passes. Then gave a ton of money to the guys across the street for relief. But it’s a donation so he’ll get some of that back. 

 

How could you not get his point?  I guess you answered,  you're not even sure if he was trying to make one. 

[aristocrat]

41 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

Somebody has 30 tenants and gave 6 months free

are you trying to make me feel bad?  

[BUFFALOKIE]

46 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

I get this, but they need to be taking care of the employees. My company has 10,000-plus employees, most of whom work on a strictly commission basis. If the company isn't bringing in money, we're not getting paid. But the owner/CEO/chairman of the company is vowed that not only will we not let go one single employee, they are paying EVERYONE their (almost) normal pay. All ten thousand employees. Hourly people get their full pay, commission employees will get 80% of their normal pay, regardless of if we work a single hour, and regardless of how slow our business is. 

 

THIS is how an employer should treat people.

...if they can...

 

That is super awesome that your employer CAN do that, and most would agree, those that can should. But...

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

17 tenants i gave 3 months free rent. 

Right on! That is very kind of you. I am trying now just to help my kids, since they are now both out of work.

[iinii]

17 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

Gee, you pack 500 the next day, instead of 1,000 the next day. Apparently the point was really hard to figure out.

 

Don't be dense.

WEO is far from dense 

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'm referring to the current COVID-19 crisis.

And he called you sense. 

[bbb]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

Unsure if you’re trying to prove a point here or just citing another good landlord. 
 

If you’re just citing another good landlord, good for him! 
 

If you’re trying to make a point. You didn’t. In your situation the other landlord gave no pass on rent to his tenants and told them they might have a place to live when this passes. Then gave a ton of money to the guys across the street for relief. But it’s a donation so he’ll get some of that back. 

 

What in the ***** are you talking about? 

[CLTbills]

2 hours ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

...if they can...

Exactly.... and the Pegulas can.

[bbb]

4 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

Exactly.... and the Pegulas can.

 

How do you know?  Have you looked into their finances - and natural gas prices, etc.?  

[GoBills808]

Good stuff

 

go bills

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, iinii said:

WEO is far from dense 

And he called you sense. 

 

 

I'm black hole dense!

[CLTbills]

On 3/29/2020 at 2:38 PM, bbb said:

 

How do you know?  Have you looked into their finances - and natural gas prices, etc.?  

My point is, my employer is guaranteeing pay for 10,000 employees and is worth 20 % (about a billion) of what the Pegulas are worth. 

Hard to determine the total number of employees the Pegulas employ, given that they have so many different businesses, but it isn't 10,000... and again, they are worth $5 billion. 

[bbb]

4 hours ago, CLTbills said:

My point is, my employer is guaranteeing pay for 10,000 employees and is worth 20 % (about a billion) of what the Pegulas are worth. 

Hard to determine the total number of employees the Pegulas employ, given that they have so many different businesses, but it isn't 10,000... and again, they are worth $5 billion. 

 

Who is your employer?

[CLTbills]

8 hours ago, bbb said:

 

Who is your employer?

Rick Hendrick/Hendrick Automotive Group

[bbb]

7 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

Rick Hendrick/Hendrick Automotive Group

 

Do you work in the garage?

[CLTbills]

12 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

Do you work in the garage?

yes, im in service.

[DrDawkinstein]

On 3/29/2020 at 11:08 AM, CLTbills said:

I get this, but they need to be taking care of the employees. My company has 10,000-plus employees, most of whom work on a strictly commission basis. If the company isn't bringing in money, we're not getting paid. But the owner/CEO/chairman of the company is vowed that not only will we not let go one single employee, they are paying EVERYONE their (almost) normal pay. All ten thousand employees. Hourly people get their full pay, commission employees will get 80% of their normal pay, regardless of if we work a single hour, and regardless of how slow our business is. 

 

THIS is how an employer should treat people.

 

27 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

Rick Hendrick/Hendrick Automotive Group

 

The lease on my 4Runner is up in a couple of months and I've always planned on buying it outright (long story).

 

I recognized that name as having dealerships in Atlanta, and just did some googling and found Hendrick has a Toyota dealership, AND it's right around the corner from my work.

 

Since I originally leased from a dealer in NY but am now in GA, I can pretty much choose who I go through to buy the truck.

 

I'm going to Hendrick Toyota.

[bbb]

11 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

yes, im in service.

 

Do you have a cousin named Bill? 

[CLTbills]

11 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

The lease on my 4Runner is up in a couple of months and I've always planned on buying it outright (long story).

 

I recognized that name as having dealerships in Atlanta, and just did some googling and found Hendrick has a Toyota dealership, AND it's right around the corner from my work.

 

Since I originally leased from a dealer in NY but am now in GA, I can pretty much choose who I go through to buy the truck.

 

I'm going to Hendrick Toyota.

That's awesome, man. I'll tell ya - not to sound corny or to sound like I'm "drinking the kool-aid".... But Mr. Hendrick has always said - "If the company cares about its people, the people will care about the company."  And it's true. Once we come out of this Coronavirus madness, these people will be willing to go to war for Mr. Hendrick. At a time when other automotive companies are laying people off by the thousands (our big competitor, Sonic Automotive, has laid off almost half of their employees), Mr. Hendrick has made it a point to ensure that his people and their families are taken care of. 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

That's awesome, man. I'll tell ya - not to sound corny or to sound like I'm "drinking the kool-aid".... But Mr. Hendrick has always said - "If the company cares about its people, the people will care about the company."  And it's true. Once we come out of this Coronavirus madness, these people will be willing to go to war for Mr. Hendrick. At a time when other automotive companies are laying people off by the thousands (our big competitor, Sonic Automotive, has laid off almost half of their employees), Mr. Hendrick has made it a point to ensure that his people and their families are taken care of. 

 

I work for a similar family of multi-billionaires (worth far more than Hendrick and Pegula combined), and they got there by always treating their employees better than any other company. It's even in the founder's will. Specific instructions on how to treat employees and give back to communities. So it's always good to see!

[BillsFan4]

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

Go Jack! Great to see

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

 

He will also be distributing this PPE to Sabres fans at the arena when play resumes:

 

[BillsFan4]

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/sabres-skinner-donating-to-help-those-fighting-covid-19

 

Jeff Skinner donating too.

 

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Jeff Skinner announced on his Instagram that he’s donating $53,000 to the fund started by Terry and Kim Pegula last week.

Skinner said he wanted to help health care workers, as well as FeedMore WNY as the fight against the coronavirus rages on.

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

My gut feeling is telling me that Norman will have a very good year.

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 3/26/2020 at 11:49 AM, ngbills said:

Not trying to diminish this. Brees just donated $5M. Pegulas worth over $5 Billion...

 

Pure speculation on what the Pegulas are worth.

 

Do you have any idea what their financial burn rate is now, the number of employees they have? The leases and debt, mortgages they are paying with little to no revenue coming n?  Do you have any idea how much their alleged $5 billion net worth is at right now after these market collapses?

[ngbills]

10 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Pure speculation on what the Pegulas are worth.

 

Do you have any idea what their financial burn rate is now, the number of employees they have? The leases and debt, mortgages they are paying with little to no revenue coming n?  Do you have any idea how much their alleged $5 billion net worth is at right now after these market collapses?

Come on now. Now matter how you slice he is one of the richest 1% on this planet. Maybe his $5B has fallen to $4.5B. Dude still has a ton of dough. ANd folks with this kid of money have all kinds of ways to protect their assets when the markets tank. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2020/04/07/the-worlds-richest-sports-team-owners-2020/#de2535327b5f

[RoyBatty is alive]

30 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Come on now. Now matter how you slice he is one of the richest 1% on this planet. Maybe his $5B has fallen to $4.5B. Dude still has a ton of dough. ANd folks with this kid of money have all kinds of ways to protect their assets when the markets tank. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2020/04/07/the-worlds-richest-sports-team-owners-2020/#de2535327b5f

 

Maybe but All asset classes have plummeted (except for gold which hasnt done much), commodities, bonds stocks, private equity....... they can hedge a bit but no way they can "protect their assets" unless they were in all cash which I highly highly doubt.

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive

[ngbills]

15 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

All asset classes have plummeted (except for gold which hasnt done much), commodities, bonds stocks, private equity....... they can hedge a bit but no way they can "protect their assets" unless they were in all cash which I highly highly doubt.

 

That is a bit of a reach. The Dow for example is at 23.5K and was under 25K last May, going back to Dec 2018 was under 23K and going back 3 years it was at 20K...so not a "plummet" for the Pegulas. They had well over $5B going back prior to even buying the Bills. Again, they are fine. Yes, lost some money but nothing compared to what many in this country are going through. And yes you can hedge a lot though option strategies which every Billionaire out there utilizes. 

[BillsFan4]

 

[bbb]

14 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Only $159K?!?  What an ahole!  

[Punching Bag]

 

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Reid Ferguson (yes long snappers are football players) partnered with La Nova to provide $5,000 worth of food, to the entire staff at Oishei Children’s Hospital. 140 sheet pizzas were delivered as well as other meals to help those at the hospital during this pandemic.

https://www.wivb.com/sports/reid-ferguson-provides-meals-for-staff-at-oishei-childrens-hospital/

 

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‘When Ferguson discovered there was a way to show some gratitude to the staff that, like hospital staffs everywhere, form the front lines in the battle against the coronavirus pandemic, he was quick to jump aboard. On Friday, Ferguson contributed $5,000 toward a $10,000 donation of pizza and other food from La Nova Pizza to the Oishei staff

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Important questions not answered:

• What was the split between types of pizzas?
• Did the staff share with the kids?
• How did he decide which pizza place to partner with.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Limeaid

[Don Otreply]

On 3/26/2020 at 12:51 PM, krf139 said:

25k? That’s like me donating 25 bucks 

So you are gonna whine about a guy from out of town donating 25 grand to  a local charitable cause? Really? Oh and by the way did you donate that $25.00? If so, good on you. 
 

Go Bills!!!