Logic Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 49 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Reminds me of Laquon Treadwell. Not a fan. Treadwell averaged 11.8 yds/rec in his college career. Higgins averaged. 18.1 yds/rec in his college career. That's a significant difference. I didn't watch Treadwell in college, so I can't say with certainty that they aren't alike. A quick look at the above numbers certainly suggests that Higgins is more explosive, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Lol.....that’s has nothing to do with what I was replying to. There really is no, “yeah, but” Sorry. I'm a bit rusty in reading gibberish... Edited March 8, 2020 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I like Lamb, Ruggs, Jeudy, Aiyuk, Shenault, Jefferson, Mims, Reagor more than Higgins but I’m fine if he’s the guy. Just hoping it’s in the 2nd and not at 22. If we end up with Epenesa and Higgins with our first two picks I’d be elated. Two flawed prospects but guys who make us better on Day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: I see the lovechild of Mike Evans and Jarvis Landry. Get er done I don't necessarily agree...But I love the quote! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Watching his stride he reminds me of James Lofton. Big long strides but moving quickly. I like his ability to adjust to the ball in the air. He makes that young QB look good on a lot of underthrown or poorly thrown balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) I'm waiting for that 40 to solidify my overall take on Tee...I will say this much though...I'm a bit surprised at some of the Scouting I've heard already from people I definitely respect concerning Higgins...While I absolutely agree Ruggs, Jeudy, and Lamb are the top 3 without question...I'm not yet convinced Higgins is out of the conversation as the #4 guy...During the season I watched Clemson almost every week (I live in NC), and to me Tee Higgins looked like a 1st Round NFL WR all day...I'm not saying high 1st Round...But 1st Round nonetheless...He's not perfect...he needs work...But at times he literally jumps off the screen to me...I think he's an alpha on the field, and the fact that he held off Justyn Ross to be the #1 guy at Clemson is pretty impressive if you understand how good Ross is...And there is no doubt the Bills do not have anyone like Higgins currently on the Roster... No prospect is a finished product coming in...I think this was a HUGE issue for some scouts last year concerning DK Metcalf...A player I was absolutely convinced was a Top 10 prospect...But with every prospect there is that projection...That unknown...The kid should be given the same lead-way to improve (if he has the coaching and drive) as any other prospect WR IMHO...He was a semi-dominate talent in College, and a 5 star recruit coming out of HS...No reason to believe if he wants it bad enough he can't improve his strength, technique, route-running, and effectiveness against physical CB's in the NFL...He's a talented athlete, with crazy length, and what looks to be enough speed to get some separation...We'll see what he times, but he says he's going to run in the 4.4's...Which would really surprise (me) a bit...We'll see... I'm not saying Tee has the drive needed (I did feel like that was HUGE for Metcalf last year...I never doubted his drive to be the the best)...I don't know that about Tee...Not saying he doesn't...Just saying I don't know..That's what the interviews are for...But I'm not going to beat him up that much about the Combine...It's a business decision and he did not feel ready...If he runs that 4.4 at Clemson next Thursday it's going to look like a smart decision...I do think he'll get the support he needs in Buffalo if they take him...He seems like a good enough kid...A lot also depends on what Dabo says...If he gets a real strong endorsement from the Clemson staff it will matter... ? Edited March 8, 2020 by KOKBILLS 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I have said it and I will keep saying it. After the top 3 the wide receiver in this draft most likely to end up as a true #1 NFL receiver is Tee Higgins. If he is the pick at #22 I will be fine with it. First this board went loopy for Shenault and I said "meh day 2 pick" now as the process has gone on and the draft media have caught up with where teams are the consensus is "yea Shenault probably goes day 2." Now the board has gone a little over the top on Justin Jefferson who I do think probably goes day 1 but later half of it and to a team looking for a number 2 receiver. He is safer than Higgins in my opinion but with less upside. I am sticking where I started. If the top 3 are gone and it is going to be a wideout at #22 then it should be Tee Higgins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Captain Murica said: I'm not big on Higgins but they said the same thing about Metcalf being a one trick pony. That worked out well for Seattle. If they do choose Higgins hopefully it’s one hell of a trick. I have him with exactly the same grade as I had on DK at the moment. He isn't as strong or as physical as DK but he does have better understanding of route concepts and the subtleties of the position and has been used with more variety in college so comes a little more rounded. But they both to me are guys who can come in day one and be effective downfield targets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I love WR’s that can separate. Higgins really doesn’t do that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: can you point out that one trick for me ? is it making all the plays ? Catching touchdowns. Horrible one trick Edited March 8, 2020 by BillsFan2313 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 21 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: The basketball background is attractive. Still....if he runs a 4.6 or worse I'm taking a shot at somebody with more speed and explosiveness. Sounds like Stevie Johnson v2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Higgins is does not have the route tree, nor the ability to really separate well. I love Higgins for his hands and his ability to win contested catches, but hes behind a handful of more well rounded WRs in this class. I also have to agree with Marino to an extent, that Higgins doesn't really fit the Bills offense well, especially with Allen's erratic deep accuracy. I wouldn't be upset if they snagged Higgins in the second, but at 22, that would be a hard pill to swallow. 10 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: Sounds like Stevie Johnson v2.0 Not remotely close, Stevie had great short area quickness and was a very slippery player underneath. That is is the exact opposite of Higgins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: I also have to agree with Marino to an extent, that Higgins doesn't really fit the Bills offense well, especially with Allen's erratic deep accuracy. I tend to agree with Joe but not on this. Higgins strength is routes along the sideline, especially back shoulders. That's one of Allen's favorite spots to throw. Imagine Higgins running all of the plays that Duke Williams ran against Houston. He's not a speed vertical receiver, that's really what Allen has struggled with up to this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 The funny thing about draft season is that a bunch of people who've never watched these college players in their life suddenly become experts on them. Everyone watches a few Youtube highlight clips, reads a few scouting reports, and suddenly knows everything there is to know about a player and becomes very passionate about either defending or deriding him. I include myself in this. One minute I don't know a damn thing about a wide receiver prospect, the next minute I've spent a half hour watching clips and reading about him, and suddenly I've got a passionate position. "Can't separate". "Doesn't run the whole route tree". "I'll be FURIOUS if they take Higgins at 22!". "I'll be THRILLED if they take Higgins at 22!". Bunch of folks who know nothing, pretending like they know everything. God, I love draft season. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 14 hours ago, Locomark said: Watching his stride he reminds me of James Lofton. Big long strides but moving quickly. I like his ability to adjust to the ball in the air. He makes that young QB look good on a lot of underthrown or poorly thrown balls. Lawrence plays the most like Allen as anybody I've seen. Very similar qualities. 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I tend to agree with Joe but not on this. Higgins strength is routes along the sideline, especially back shoulders. That's one of Allen's favorite spots to throw. Imagine Higgins running all of the plays that Duke Williams ran against Houston. He's not a speed vertical receiver, that's really what Allen has struggled with up to this point. He does seems to run really crisp routes that create a ton of separation and has great hands and catch radius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: I tend to agree with Joe but not on this. Higgins strength is routes along the sideline, especially back shoulders. That's one of Allen's favorite spots to throw. Imagine Higgins running all of the plays that Duke Williams ran against Houston. He's not a speed vertical receiver, that's really what Allen has struggled with up to this point. That's fair, but Higgins doesn't necessarily have that top end speed that's going to help him gain separation on these routes. NFL corners are vastly different than NFL corners. I mean, against OSU, LSU, and FSU higgins managed combined 120 some odd yards and zero TDs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 45 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: That's fair, but Higgins doesn't necessarily have that top end speed that's going to help him gain separation on these routes. NFL corners are vastly different than NFL corners. I mean, against OSU, LSU, and FSU higgins managed combined 120 some odd yards and zero TDs. I don't love Higgins as a prospect, I just think of all the 2nd tier guys he fits our offense best. All the other guys mentioned in that range - Hamler, Reagor, Aiyuk, Jefferson etc. - I see as very similar to what Brown or Beasley already do for us. I'm looking for something our offense doesn't already have. IMO Higgins offers a missing skill set that the other guys don't. He's finally a true outside size receiver with a big catch radius. Allen would love him. FWIW I also think Shenault offers a different type of skill set and would immediately be a massive upgrade for McKenzie's role. But his injury concerns are very real and I think he might be available at our pick in round 2. If we aren't planning on trading up I would be happy with Higgins and Shenault as our top 2 picks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 56 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: That's fair, but Higgins doesn't necessarily have that top end speed that's going to help him gain separation on these routes. NFL corners are vastly different than NFL corners. I mean, against OSU, LSU, and FSU higgins managed combined 120 some odd yards and zero TDs. He does cut pretty well though. I like his feet for a big guy he can quick step pretty well. I think the separation thing is overblown. I mean he isn't Antonio Brown (pre meltdown) but I see plenty of plays on Higgins's tape where he is able to generate sufficient even against better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't love Higgins as a prospect, I just think of all the 2nd tier guys he fits our offense best. All the other guys mentioned in that range - Hamler, Reagor, Aiyuk, Jefferson etc. - I see as very similar to what Brown or Beasley already do for us. I'm looking for something our offense doesn't already have. IMO Higgins offers a missing skill set that the other guys don't. He's finally a true outside size receiver with a big catch radius. Allen would love him. FWIW I also think Shenault offers a different type of skill set and would immediately be a massive upgrade for McKenzie's role. But his injury concerns are very real and I think he might be available at our pick in round 2. If we aren't planning on trading up I would be happy with Higgins and Shenault as our top 2 picks. I agree with this so much. The more I watch of Higgins and the more I consider what our offense needs, the more this makes sense. People can talk about what Higgins can or can't do until they're blue in the face, but the fact is this: He is pretty much unmatched in this draft class in terms of making contested catches, snagging back shoulder throws, and making circus sideline catches. While Josh Allen isn't great at leading his receivers on deep balls, he is QUITE good at back shoulder throws. We also know how much he likes to roll out to his right and throw sideline lasers. Furthermore, when Allen goes into "run around and improvise" mode, I want a guy that he can just chuck it up to -- even if he's well covered -- and have a good shot at completing the pass. A bailout guy. Higgins looks like that guy, and then some. Wise football people have recently said "don't tell me what a guy CAN'T do, tell me what he CAN do and I'll find a use for those skills". Well...what Higgins CAN do seems to match up incredibly well with some of Allen's strengths and with what the Bills offense is currently in need of. Edited March 8, 2020 by Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 he just makes sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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